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Hope everyone is well......i'm just pulling up last weeks post in a hope that this conversation will continue.

So the below are post from our last thread...............................

I'm certainly not pinning this on Willard, but i wonder when was the last time Maryland had a basketball team with so few kids that were well thought of leaving high School?

Even Gary's last season he had Mosley, Stoglin and Jordan who were all top 100 kids if i'm not mistaken. And i'd guess Padgett, Howard, Bowie and Tucker were sought after recruits.....

Turge started out with a few of Gary's guys and added nicky and Len, who were nice additions....As much as a cancer as nicky faust turned out to be, he was a top 50 recruit. Len was a typical Turge guy. He blows up just as he is walking out the door on his soph season.....he was a pretty well hidden recruit. Perhaps Willard has a few of those on this team.
Len has played in 570 NBA games with 235 starts. He seems to strictly play for lousy teams, but he is still in the league.

On this years team JuJu is the only recruit inside the top 100, and his placement was only 60. Ian, Pav, Ike and CSR are all nice players with upside, but none were sought by the top 20 programs we should be winning recruiting battles against.

The kids Willard has added were unranked completely (carey) or outside the top 200. Noah (200) and J. Young 235.
One of the fun things to discuss about this team is how we anticipate Jahmir to adjust to big time hoops. Will he play to that 235 ranking? or can he be a starting guard for a winning B10 team?
I love that Young can rebound as well as Donta (6 rebounds in 35 minutes) , but i'm less impressed with Charlotte's 42 - 43 record with Young leading the team for those 3 years. And in his conference tournament games he played poorly.

I hope we all can see the idea of Young playing in the NBA is reminiscent of McHale writing for the LA times or Hershal Walker being an FBI agent.

I'll say this, IF Willard can get this team to 500 in the Big Ten that would certainly give all of us hope that he will be able to win if he gets the kids. But early on, at least for me, i am very disappointed in the guys we have brought in.

The university of Maryland should be able to beat ANY team in the Nation from time to time on the best of the best recruits. Kids like Stix, Wiggins and Stone should be on our roster each season. Let's hope JuJu has a Joe Smith like break out. Otherwise, this is gonna be a tough one to watch......not to mention how tiring it will be hearing terp fans talk about how it's a process and by 2024-25 Kevin will have his horses and than we can judge accurately.
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JimZipCode
4 days ago
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i wonder when was the last time Maryland had a basketball team with so few kids that were well thought of leaving high School?

The kids Willard has added were unranked completely (carey) or outside the top 200. Noah (200) and J. Young 235.
It weirds me out how proccupied you are with where college veterans were ranked ~4 years ago. For incoming freshmen it makes sense. But veterans?

• Jahmir Young has played three full seasons of Division 1 ball. The last time high school rating services put a number on him was 2019.
• Donald Carey has been in college programs for FIVE years! High school raters haven't looked at him since 2017.

Their high school ratings are just about the least up-to-date info on them that there is. Only slightly ahead of their birth weight.

Young men change from age 17 to age 22.

•Michael Jordan famously was cut from his junior high team.

•In football, Lamar Jackson was a 3-star, the #409 high school player in his class. He was named NFL MVP as a second-year player in 2019.

•Cooper Kupp was a zero star recruit.
He just led the NFL in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns, and was named Super Bowl MVP.

You can't evaluate a player assuming he stays the same as he was coming out of high school.

Anyway: Canada is a 4 . ☺️

I love that Young can rebound as well as Donta (6 rebounds in 35 minutes) , but i'm less impressed with…
I'm less impressed with Donta rebounding only as well as a 6'1" PG. He needs to step it up.
Seriously, the bigs need to rebound a helluva lot better than they did last year. It might be the highest-priority improvement the team needs now.

IF Willard can get this team to 500 in the Big Ten

not to mention how tiring it will be hearing terp fans talk about how it's a process and by 2024-25 Kevin will have his horses and than we can judge accurately.
Got news for you, bro. Williard's Terps are finishing in the top ~6 of the B1G and making the NCAAT this year, with this roster.
Remember, you heard it here first!
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McHale2Bias34
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Great hearing from you again JZ.
I think you are right, some kids change a lot from the ages of 18-22.
BUT
Phil Steele , of CF fame, shows each year where the top HS ranked Football players are drafted 3, 4 years later....and they are nearly all top recruits.
So it does absolutely apply to veterans, thou u make a great point. After a year it would benefit any scout to give the kid another Eval…….But the fact remains that Young is still a below average athlete for a 6 foot kid. Can he start for a winning B10 team? That is an open question…….

Here is another example that proves your point:
Just 2 years ago the board was a light with talk of how talented Jarius Hamilton was/is….a top recruit who was compared to Zion as a JR in HS. JH flashed unreal talent , the left handed dunk attempt in the Minn game was something u don’t see in seasons of MD basketball….he missed the dunk, landed on his butt and rarely flashed that ability again……….BUT the talent was there.
Hamilton’s failure was 90 between the ears.

So i agree, the rankings are flawed. A number of top 100 recruits flop....Wiley, Hamilton and nicky are 3 recent examples of top 100 recruits who wet the bed at Maryland.......But on the flip side, I could spend days giving out examples of kids like Wigs, Stix or Melo who were for the most part THE reason those teams were top 25 teams……

The kids we brought in, none of them have THAT talent or from what I’ve seen, anything close to it.….
Can anyone name a team, a single team, that has made the FF without a few top 100 recruits…..i’d guess you could, but it’s not gonna be a long list, right?

What did Jahmir Young prove in his three full seasons of Division 1 ball.?
JZ, Young couldn’t’ get Charolette to a winning record. That my friend is significant….i believe very significant.
Could you imagine Melo or Ant at Charolette? I’d hope we could agree, those teams would have been dark horse NCAA teams and each kid would be 23-26 pt guys with Steals, etc etc

Donald Carey scored some points, but my friend he was on 1 of the very worse teams in a major conference. I’m hopeful he doesn’t start for us this year, but fear he will.

Mr. Jones, every college team, Hell ever NBA team is going to score 70 -100 points…..Kemba Walker scored 20 + a season for 10 years. BUT the team never won. So when the Celtics added him , he couldn’t help them win…..that same team went to the finals without adding anyone of great significance, but from getting rid of Kemba.
Kids that transfer from successful runs at lower D 1 schools only to belly flop at higher D 1 programs is a long long list as u know.

And that is my fear with Carey/young. They will score…..but will it be efficient? ..Will they defend? Will they do subtle things to help the team win? All we know is it doesn’t appear they have done that in the prior 8 seasons.

Michael Jordan was an elite recruit…….it’s true when he was 14 he was cut from his team.

Lamar Jackson was named the Lou Groza Palm Beach County High School Player of the Year in 2014.
Despite some disagreement by recruiting companies over his caliber (Jackson was rated three stars by ESPN.com and 247Sports, but four stars by Rivals.com), he received offers from both Power Five schools like Louisville, Florida, Auburn, and Clemson,
All of the major recruiting companies listed Jackson as a top 20 dual-threat quarterback, with 247Sports ranking him as high as #12. Jackson's in-state ranking also varied greatly, from as high as #51 from Rivals to as low as #80 by ESPN. Jackson visited only four schools (Louisville, Florida, Nebraska, and Mississippi State), and after it appeared he might sign with Florida, Jackson ultimately committed to the University of Louisville after head coach Bobby Petrino promised Jackson's mother that her son would be playing quarterback and nothing else.

JZ I’ll give you Cooper Kupp….a white WR , what did u expect …… ; )

JZ, just is what it is, the recruiting ranking is such a competitive field now, they miss very few kids……that IMOP, is not an argument you want to spend a lot of time on, because for every Coooper kupp, I can mention the last 25 NFL, NBA drafts…and how 95% of those picks were all top 100 recruits or never played in the States.


I treat people the way I want to be treated JZ, I’m not the type of citty kat to bang back on guys who make this place a place worth coming to in June ……...but your prediction on the Terps finishing in the top ~6 of the B1G and making the NCAAT this year, is a prediction that will go against every prognostication we read outside of the state of MD or any states of delirium!
Until I see JuJu appear to be a 16, 8, 1, guy , who has a winning first mind set like we haven’t seen here in a long time, I think your prediction is off. In fact i don’t see how this team is better than LY’s…..i am a guy who thinks we may be better off without Ayala. . . . . . .

Great stuff JZ….Look forward to your next album one!
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McHale2Bias34
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I can’t wait to see what Willard does with Scott……I think Donta is a nice talent who lacks an understanding of what effort / toughness is……or he just doesn’t care.


I think it can be said that by B10 starting standards Donta is a below average passer, shooter, ball handler and defender. The fact he is an average rebounder , , well it’s just perplexing to me. How does Philly tough think this will play out? He is a starter on a bad team. Congrats?! ………..by D 1 college basketball standards, he is out of shape, and his effort is hit and miss. His teams only had success when he was the 4th, 5th best guy on the team. When does a guy like that look in the mirror and tell himself he must improve significantly?
Either he evolves in other ways in his game, or the kid REBOUNDS like a hungry adult , or he is not helping MD enough as an upper classman.

Donta no longer has teams keying on future NBA guys as teammates. He know longer can tell himself he starts for a winner. No, he is a starter of this once proud program for one of it's uglier turns since Gary took over 30 years ago.

Sure HH , Donta, Young and Carey will start.......They should be proud. Well right up until we finish 10th again.
Not many people are able to blame themselves for the issues in there lives. I hope Willard can get this message across to philly tough.

Am i wrong to say Fatts had a very good season..............IF Ayala, HH and Donta were above average B 10 starters we would have danced LY even without a C?

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On Donta effort/rebounding/etc, I kinda give him at least half a pass because I think Turgeron's coaching and playing style at least partially impacted that. Turge style definitely doesn't prioritize offensive rebounds, and I never thought his teams boxed out well. If Willard is stronger on those two things it could make a significant difference. We also lost a lot of 50/50 balls and didn't see much floor diving type effort. I put that on the coach and am optimistic until proven otherwise on Willard there given his work ethic comments. If he makes everyone play harder than under Turge that could all change.

The question with older players like Donta and HH are going to be how much influence 1 year of a new coach is going to have after 2-3 years with the old coach. Time will tell. Definitely interested in what the team'll look like next season under new management.
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Spot on NH. That is something i considered but rejected in my mind.
But reading how you see it makes me have a bit more confidence in the possibility......U guys know i love these damn kids. I just wish they would do what is best for them and their future,,,,.............
..........and yes the teams hopes as well.

I am certain if DM played as smart and as hard as he could have he'd be in the NBA in 6 months. As his game is now, he isn't a consideration. The kid seems to really think he is a shooting 2 guard of sorts. Just a very correctable thought , but even in places like this it's not shot down on first blush....


To answer your question, i think Willard is going to have a HUGE impact on at least HH or DS. Gonna be fun to see.
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What did Jahmir Young prove in his three full seasons of Division 1 ball.?
JZ, Young couldn’t’ get Charolette to a winning record. That my friend is significant….i believe very significant.
Charlotte had a winning conference and overall record two of the three years Young was there.
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Yes i was using the #'s to push my agenda............u r correct good sir.
Still, i feel my point holds.
b well, nnuscle

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