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Four Things We Learned from Maryland's Loss to North Carolina

This is a post we do from time to time after games. It's modeled off a similar piece by Kevin Van Valkenburg formerly of the Baltimore Sun. Feel free to agree, disagree, or post your four things in the comments section below.

1. There is no such thing as a moral victory in sports. At least that's what we're told. I'm not sure if moral victories do exist, but if they do, what the Terps have done the past two games is as close to a moral victory as you can get.

On Wednesday, the Terps battled with a good Miami team to double overtime before eventually falling. Today, they gave the #6 team in the country, stacked with three sure-fire 1st round NBA picks all they could handle. At the end of the regular season when committees make their selections both of these games will show up as Ls on the resume. But for this team and its young players, the efforts they put out the last two games certainly mean something.

Let's take a short trip back to where we were at the start the season. I, personally, had no expectation of making the NCAA Tournament, little expectation of even making the NIT, and no confidence that we could hang tough with two top ten teams in Duke and North Carolina. We had eight scholarship players (at the time), one fourth-year senior, and had lost our best player to the NBA Draft.

It's easy to forget all that because the Terps have played pretty well. For the most part, they've beaten the teams they're supposed to beat, and they've taken the ACC's best down to the wire. Naturally, we, as fans, are disappointed when they lose any game. That disappointment is exacerbated when the loss is a very winnable game against a top 10 team. But let's take a moment to look at some positive here.

For young guys like Nick Faust and Alex Len, guys who will form the core of this team for the next two or three years, the experience of being in a dogfight is one they'll remember next year. They'll know what it's like to play in a big game that goes down to the wire. They'll know what it's like to play in front of a packed Comcast Center. And soon enough, because of these close, tough losses, they'll learn how to win these types of games.

Despite the massive talent differential and despite the inexperience, Mark Turgeon has his team fighting, scrapping, and clawing against the conference's best. Let's give the players and the coach some credit for that.

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2. James Padgett and Ashton Pankey have been pleasant surprises this year but the Terps need reinforcements down low if they're going to going to beat a team like Duke and North Carolina in the future.

Today's game almost felt like the Duke game: Come out strong, get the crowd into it, play a more talented team close, and then wear down inside towards the end of the game. Against Duke, Mason Plumlee was the offender. Today it was Tyler Zeller and John "Classy" Henson (We're sticking with this name until he's out of the ACC.)

Now, both those guys are future pros, so there is no shame in them getting their 20 points a game. But to get out-rebounded and give the Tar Heels second and third chance opportunities in the game's dwindling minutes is pretty hard to swallow. Point in case comes with 2:39 left in the game and the Terps trailing 72-69. After Tyler Zeller missed a shot the Tarheels got three straight offensive rebounds before John "Classy" Henson made a jumper to push the lead to five. You simply can't have sequences like that at the end of close games against great teams.

Maybe Pankey and Padgett were gassed from having to cover Zeller and Henson all game. Or maybe they just need to box out better as Turgeon suggested in his post game comments. Regardless, Shaquille Cleare (and hopefully another big) can't come to College Park soon enough. And if John "Classy" Henson decides to return next season and tries to pull something like that in Comcast again, he'll have to answer this guy.

3. Alex Len has struggled in ACC play, but anyone who thought he was a "bust" or in over his head looks pretty silly after today's game.

Without Alex Len, the Terps lose by at least 15 today. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's a completely different game.

After the first few minutes when Tyler Zeller looked like he was single-handedly going to beat Maryland today, Turgeon made the switch to Len. Almost instantly, Zeller looked a little rattled. Instead of shooting over 6' 8 James Padgett, it was 7' 1 Len in his way. Paired with Berend Weijs, the two near 7 footers, disrupted North Carolina's inside game and made getting to the hoop significantly more difficult. Alex Len finished the game with four blocks.

Offensively, the Ukrainian big man was impressive as well. He scored 12 points on 5-8 shooting and did it in a variety of ways. He made layups, hit jump shots, and even displayed an impressive baby hook. Len also grabbed nine boards, good for best on the team.

Yes, Len is raw and yes, he's got a ways to go. But if we learned nothing else today it's that Alex Len can play against the ACC's best. Doing what he did against two future first round picks should serve as a much-needed confidence booster as well.

4. It often takes kids the bulk of their freshman season to hit their stride and really started feeling comfortable in their team's system. I'm not sure Nick Faust is quite there yet, but he took a big step forward today.

There was one play early on in the game that caught my attention. Faust got the ball off a screen, saw a small opening in the lane, whizzed past his defender and got fouled going up strong. It's the standard type of play you'd expect to see from a veteran with a good handle. But to see that kind of aggressiveness and confidence from a freshman playing against the #6 team in the country...It was impressive to say the least.

Say what you will about Faust but confidence is a trait he doesn't seem to lack. Speed, shiftiness and a handle are skills he's refined as well. He's great at getting to the rim and throughout the season, he's improved at finishing those plays. He also plays pretty good defense: so well, in fact, that Turgeon felt comfortable letting him guard Harrison Barnes for some time.

Like Alex Len, Faust needs some seasoning. But together, they make up two very good pieces to a Maryland program headed in the right direction.

After the game, when asked about the John Henson dunk, Turgeon had this to say:

"I didn't like the dunk. Coach knows that. But we're going to be good soon. The world goes round."

That quote, to me, seems to be as much a warning shot to other coaches around the league as it is a message to us fans. We're a little down right now, but we're fighting, and one day soon, we're going to be up there with conference's best. If there is one thing we can take away from today's game it is this: that day that Turgeon alludes to may be coming sooner than we originally thought.

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I was really encouraged by our performance today

It was a tough, tough loss to take, but this team is really starting to come around. Who would’ve thought 2 months ago, when we were beating the likes of Radford by 5, we would hang with both Duke and UNC for the majority of those respective games at Comcast? Heck, we had a 9 point lead on UNC in the second half. What I’m eager to see now is how we do on the road against them. It’ll be quite difficult to grab a win, but I’m not putting it out of the realm of possibility. I’d like to see if we can give both a run for their money again though at least. I also think that by the time the ACC Tournament comes around we could make a run there. We should be pretty battle tested and can hopefully go in with confidence.

But before I get ahead of myself, let’s see how this team does at Clemson Thursday. I’d like to see them build off today and put together a solid game down there. Our remaining home games are BC, Miami, and UVA…let’s hope the fans/students stay with this team and show up strong. I’m really excited about this teams’ potential.

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

I love Coach Turgeon

I definitely can feel that we are headed the right direction with Turgeon!!!

by 2013Terp on Feb 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Great article Ben G

I’m loving the attitude Turgeon has, even during the transition year. Even he didn’t know what he had in this team with Pe’ hurt, Len an unknown quantity on suspension, and a huge question mark about the leadership Mosley brings. He’s found a good rotation of guys to keep up with any team in the nation (although I think against a Kansas or Mizzou, they’d be blown out). The wins aren’t the most important thing this year.
My confidence is higher than it was when Greivis was a sophomore. I look at the home games against Duke and UNC (and possibly UVA in the upcoming weeks), and see those as very winnable games. That’s the next step for this team.

by ThreeTerp on Feb 4, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pretty excited about the future

But I’d be a lot more excited if we had a true point coming in next year. Still a huge hole, IMO.

Anyway, great stuff here Ben. There was a lot Maryland could’ve done better in this game, but it’s tough to be anything other than happy with the showing. Key now is replicating it against Clemson, UVA, etc., and getting wins where we still can.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Turge will surprise us with a juco PG

I’m not saying Steve Francis is out there, but you never know…

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

One important thing.

We have got to get stoglin away from the 3 pointer unless he’s wide open. One thing that was encouraging about his game today though was getting others involved, his 4 assists were huge. If we can get thim to look to pass about 20% of the time, look out.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

He’s looked to pass plenty of times the past few games. Problem is no one finishes=few assists

by discuit on Feb 4, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Better today but... We need to keep a balanced attack the whole 40 minutes vs. last 10 minutes only Stoglin from here on out

If the other team is working it inside, driving it inside for easy buckets and we got a tired Stoglin hurling up contested threes we are going to lose

by terpsontop on Feb 5, 2012 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why I'm not convinced we need another PG...

…we have trouble finishing, and some have had trouble catching passes…that – at least in part – explains Pe’s stats.

by curterp on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid android browser

Breathing a big sigh of relief on turgeon…makes thoughts of Darin horn and Sean Miller seem more and more distant and laughable every day.

by settleten on Feb 4, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Turg

Needs to go John Chaney next time we play and send some “goons” in

by PhillyTerp on Feb 4, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The quote

is everything right about Turgeon condensed into 1 line of text.

by Womp Womp on Feb 4, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely

I think this will be a quote that defines his career with the Terps.

by RealtorTerp on Feb 5, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

All in

I have enjoyed this team more than any in recent years. Not that I ACCEPT losses, but they have not bothered me as much as in the past. I see progress, great coaching, great players coming into the program, and future success. It is kind of nice watching these young players getting better every game.

by turple on Feb 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

We need scorers ...

The Terps basketball play, especially, in the ACC has been inconsistent.

1/ We commit too many mistakes — poor passing, shot selections, etc.

2/ We simply can’t protect a lead. Today’s game is prime example. We led by 9 points, and couldn’t build on it.

3/ We need scorers. Other than Stoglin, we simply don’t have a spark plug. Alex is learning to get his groove. The 10 game suspension did hurt his development. Nick Faust just can’t get his scoring groove on. He needs to step up to the plate, and start getting his 15 – 20 feet strokes going.

4/ 2nd half last 5 minutes … we tend to be gased. Bench strength has a lot to do with it. We need Mychael Parker and Ashton Pinkey to step it up.

by mi6 on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

Let's not sell these guys short (no pun intended)

When we say we need reinforcements down low, I think what we really need is better defensive rebounding from James and Ashton. That’s putting a body on people and being aggressive going after the ball. Those are teachable skills. Why James isn’t better at this stage I don’t know. He should be a better defensive rebounder. He is certainly strong enough to take on a Henson. As to Ashton, he is effectively a freshman. He is too reactive at this stage and a half-step behnd the action. He often looks like James did when he was a freshman. I think we are going to see big improvements in his play.

One reinforcement we do need is a back-up point guard. Terrell cannot continue to be the go-to guy at the 2 and back-up Pe’Shon at the point.

by wmterp on Feb 5, 2012 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

On the offensive side too

Both Padgett and Pankey often seem too reactive to the play from of their own backcourt. Maybe it’s because assists are so rare these days that they just don’t expect the ball. So it seems in general that they’re either caught off guard, a step slow, or not intuitive enough to get in the right spaces to make easy buckets. This obviously has had its effect on Pe now, as from what I can tell over the past two games, he seems to just pass up on many of these opportunities particularly in transition (which could be a Turgeon directed order or just a lack of confidence in himself/his teammates).

So while I have been the hardest on Pe this season for his lack of floor leadership, it’s probably plausible that even if we had a K. Marshall on this team, the assists would be still harder to come by – right now. I trust that these players will collectively improve and build rapport next year with Pe, however, I think the 10 minutes of footage I’ve seen on Layman/Cleare gives me faith that these guy could be higher impact players more quickly (which will make Pe seem like a totally different player).

So rather calling in for Pe’s replacement so quickly as our #1 need for next year (not saying that you did wmterp, but which has been mentioned quite a bit on the boards), we just need to find the modern day Drazen Petrovic out of Europe- and then we should reasonably expect to play well into the tourney next year. Although I’m admittedly quite ignorant when it comes to barriers in recruiting players overseas, seems like there is a market inefficiency there where we could snipe these types of players (aka Len).

by MD2006 on Feb 5, 2012 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Assists.

I have nothing else to say. Fucking assists.

by db0255 on Feb 5, 2012 5:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Assists?

Pe should of had at least three more assists if who he was passing to could of handled the ball. Both Padgett and Len fumbled great passes from Pe’ driving to the rim on breaks. You guys gotta get off Pe’ for this game, he played fairly well

by djcarv2005 on Feb 5, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I kinda blame Pe' for that

All about the Hollywood ball for him. Did he put the ball in the guy’s breadbasket? Yeah. Problem is that the pass was travelling 100 mph and he was passing it to post players that have awful hands, and he knows it. That’s hanging a teammate out to dry on the break. Great pass, but just too ambitious again. Keep it simple.

Pe’ was okay today, but it really is a problem when your point has zero assists. Not sure whether that’s a cause or a symptom, though.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

the reality is there are not a lot of options for pe’shon to pass to that are good options. padgett, parker, pankey, wiejs have problems doing something with the ball if they can catch it. padgett is the best of the 4 but none of these guys have a lot of offensive skills.

by fkterp on Feb 5, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Peshon needs to learn that part of making a great pass is knowing who youre passing too

Hes got to know by now that a bounce pass that splits 2 defenders to Padgett running full speed doesnt have a good change of being caught, and if it is, Padge is gonna have a hard time doing anything productive with the ball. Same for Len-

by Asnis71 on Feb 5, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

He shot pretty well

But didn’t do his role. Doing your role in a team game >>> all else

by tumi on Feb 5, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

4 Keys to future Victories...

1. Keep utilizing Twin Towers mode utilizing both (Len & Weijs) together…that really caused UNC some problems offensively…not sure why Weijs doesn’t get more burn in the second half…he is almost 7 feet tall and compliments Len very well.

2. Have confidence in Peshon- like it or not he is our best dribbler at the top of the set- we need his ball control and ability to get it all going at the top of the set. He’s the only one we have right now that can dribble with confidence up at the top and start the set. We need him.

3. Jonathan Thomas- UNC has a back up point guard that they buy minutes with- how about us? Let’s give Jonathan Thomas a few minutes…try it out next time Peshon needs to be pulled out and Terell is semi exhausted with all the defense keying in on him. Let’s give Thomas a shot.

4. Balanced attack throughout the whole game…it’s almost like 25 or 30 minutes into the game our players decide like Eeyore… okay Stoglin will take it from here…if anything the opposite is true…in order for us to really pull away and cement a victory we need Len getting his looks down low, Faust driving to the rack, Padgett pump faking to a solid bank shot- particularly we need to keep up a completely balanced attack inside and out not just Stoglin alone when he’s tired and their keying on him.

by terpsontop on Feb 5, 2012 5:31 AM EST reply actions  

Right now Peshon is the only real option we have at PG..that's whats killing us

He generally is getting more careful w/ the ball (not including a few mistakes last night). However, his limited athleticism killed us as shown by a top PG in Marshall.

However, I don’t want to see Thomas in the game (he’s a walk-on for a reason)…..I don’t think NC really bought any minutes w/ their backup PG b/c we were able to attack him defensively and got some easy points, which didn’t come against K. Marshall….

I would rather see Faust go back to point for a few stretches and see Parker get more minutes than going to the walk-ons.

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 5, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Faust and Parker can bring up the ball and start passing for Assists

I also like the Weijs/Len combo with Padge/Pankey on the floor against taller teams. We can wear them out and get them in big foul trouble early.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally Agree

with number one in this list. I was wondering why Turge did not go back to the Twin Tower thing with Len and Weijs in the second half. Especially when the refs were starting to impose their will on the game. With those two in the game together in the first half a five point Carolina lead was turned into a 2 point lead for us in no time. I thought it was kind of funny how the Heels and Zeller started the game out dominating us on the inside and then insert Len and boom, Zeller starts hitting the side of the backboard and the rest of the Blue dipshits can’t seem to get the ball to the rim. Len was the difference today.
Oh and Henson is a totally classless shitbox. For someone like him, only the worst possible luck can only be wished. I hope he does a knee and ends up washing jocks for a living!

by kaptainterp on Feb 5, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

#4

is dead on. We have lost more games for that reason this year than any other.

by terpskin on Feb 5, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Kevin Van Valkenburg

Is he really “formerly of the Baltimore Sun”? I thought he still writes for them.

by sgeorge on Feb 5, 2012 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

Off topic, but he just had another "5 things" this past week?

and there has been no mention of him leaving in The Sun, as there was when others left? He’s a great writer- wish it wasnt true if he has indeed left

by Asnis71 on Feb 5, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Post play

I thought the fact that we actually fed Len the ball in the post was a huge plus in this game. I can’t remember him getting the ball on the block at all during the Miami game. Having a post presence makes a huge difference offensively.

by ChucktownTerpFan on Feb 5, 2012 7:15 AM EST reply actions  

From the moments after Turge's tech against Miami

and throughout the NC game…we looked and played like a different team. I think they have realized that they need to scrap and huslte for all 40 if they’re going to compete with ACC-calibre teams. Love it! Nice work Terps & Yurge!!

by WherestheBison on Feb 5, 2012 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

#1 nice picture

Len was more than a little impressive in the 2nd half. Even the gold tendings send a message. He scrambled on the floor. Coach got him up. When 6’8" isn’t tall enough than maybe he has to learn to box out and stop pulling punches. One thing Duke and NC always do is try to intimidate. But u got to be smart about it. Losing is no big thing unless your record starts to suck and I bet these guys feel down today. So don’t get in their face how close it was. They know the three inside Carolina players stole the show from them down the stretch. I saw on TV no help for Alex playing with four. Faust may be aggressive and athletic but his instincts may still be at the high school level. When to take a shot and drive. Stoglin. Someone like Mosley has to grab him by the arm and let him know he has to pass the ball when he’s at the arc. I didn’t see the first half so I only recall his futile shot late that hit the front rim. He basically takes a one handed set because he lacks the strength in his legs to shoot a true high arc 3. If he can’t hit don’t give him the ball. He can score his 20 with fewer shots and if he can’t he can sit down and watch from the bench. Four assists? Well whoopie doo. Not that he’s bad he just doesn’t know how to play on a team. Take JJ Reddick. I guy who f’d over MD many times. He didn’t hog the ball. He ran a set around the court and would lose his cover and the ball came to him on the run. For the most part the Terps were moving the ball but again down the stretch they got either tired or frustrated or I don’t know what. That’s when a Len on the inside a Padgett at ten or Pankey blocking out should be demanding the ball. Two poor turnovers in the last five stand out. Bad passing underneath. I get it. They’re in a hurry. And I agree they’ll be good. But for me Faust would be better served playing at a higher tempo but in reality Stoglin slows them down hanging onto the ball for ten seconds until the defense says ok sucker take your best shot. rims out. three defenders underneath, fast break. Best shot of the day I think it was a cross over under the rim layup by Mosley. Where was this guy when Vaz was playing. He had to be the guard for the number one guy. But the other was Padge’s step back and underneath and a follow thru like the man knows what he’s doing. He didn’t play last year either. For the most part these guys are all first year players. Give it time. Don’t wish for Cleare. Watch these guys. They’re talented.

by WhodunIt? on Feb 5, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

Paragraphs please

I stopped reading half way through…my Ritalin ran out

by word2bigbird on Feb 5, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

a big part of the large amount of turnovers is that several terps aren’t very good with the ball. dribbling, passing and shooting. so if you pass to padgett, pankey, parker or weijs you have a 50/50 chance of the play not going well. that problem should go away after the next year or 2 as better, more complete players are recruited to come to c.p. sometimes i think gary said find me guys who lack skills and i’ll mold them to be players…. but we got too much mold.

by fkterp on Feb 5, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

Just a voice in praise of Stoglin

With coach and everyone else complaining about his shot selection, can someone please acknowledge that some of those drives he made to the basket with the double-clutch moves were just remarkable.

by jfnatalie on Feb 5, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Acknowledged...

For a guy his size…Those were some great moves…I don’t know how he sliced through defenders to double clutch and lay it up softly enough to go in the basket…

I also loved his running the fast break when he looked off the defender and took it right to the basket…

He is a phenomenal scorer for sure and they don’t come around that often!!

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 5, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Like Turege says...

Wouldn’t hurt if a few times he’s dish the rock giving a teammate a better shot.

by DudleyDoright on Feb 5, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Bottom Line

Bottom line is that GW left the cupboard bare; esp. with big men. So recruiting is key to get MD back to the top of the ACC. I have no doubt that Turge can turn this around; just going to take 2-3 seasons to get the right players. Hell, if an average coach like Roy Williams can win then so can Turge…the difference is talent. Roy has had the luxury of getting great talent both at Kansas and at UNC. Both tradition rich programs that attract the best players. MD needs to get to that level-use the 2001-2002 MD teams as a model.

by floridasteeler on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

I got that warm fuzzy feeling......

watching the game. I can’t wait til next year and by the following season, we will be major players.

by TwerpsNoMore on Feb 5, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I think that warm fuzzy feeling

Was the 6 pack doing its thing.

by LeftCoastTerp on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

HaHaHa.... good one!

No, it’s been awhile since I felt the pride. I guess at Byrd, playing Miami with the unis was the last time. I really feel good about all our sports. Come on LAX season.

by TwerpsNoMore on Feb 5, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

In all honesty

I am proud of this team. Objectively they’ve exceeded my expectations. As a fan though, I’m dying to win one of these games.

by LeftCoastTerp on Feb 5, 2012 3:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Oh I with you Bro.......

Patience young grasshopper. It will all come to fruition in due time. The sooner the better though, Right?, LOL

by TwerpsNoMore on Feb 5, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

one problem I noticed

Is how many turnovers we had simply from picking up the dribble too early out on the perimeter. I understand why we can’t beat teams like fsu. There was a point in the game where we turned over the ball on 4-5 straight possessions because of this.

by ThreeTerp on Feb 5, 2012 9:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

A few thoughts on Stoglin

I don’t mind his 9 3PT shots because I can only remember one or two that I thought were really forced. I think he averages over 7 a game to begin with so 9 is nothing outrageous and he was shooting over 38% on 3PTRs coming into the game. Maybe it was the size of Carolina’s guards or maybe just too much adrenaline but it could be a different game if he hits 3 or 4 of 9 instead of 1. I also thought there were a few fouls not called on some of his drives that seemed to be fouls when MD was on defense. I agree that some of his drives are incredible. As for the question of end of game shot selection, I have to wonder who has the responsibility there? Doesn’t some of his decision making have to be laid at the feet of his teammates? Don’t they have to step up and show that they want the ball and are willing to take those shots?

by FHFAN on Feb 5, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

True

It seems that his shot selection wasnt that bad. It was weird that some of his shots werent going in (he had a few in and outs).

by word2bigbird on Feb 5, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope Stoglin doesn’t get cute and go pro.Turge is a better coach than huckleberry Roy.

If a player doesn't chose Maryland it doesn't make him a bum

by valenciais1 on Feb 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

1. Refs Make Bad Calls. Get Over It.

I’m sick of people complaining about how bad the refs are, each and every game. UNC got screwed over too, so suck it up and move on.

Same with Henson’s dunk. Please, please get over it. I cursed at my TV when he ended the game like that, but the truth of the matter is he’s around 20 years old and allowed to have some fun. And don’t forget that our crowd was chewing him out all game. And that MD players we’re probably talking trash with him on the court. I’m sure he had some anger he wanted to take out. For all we know, maybe that’s the slap in the face MD needs to not just play competitively, but really take it to UNC next time around.

I thought we played our hearts out today and am proud of all of guys. Stogs for being Stogs, Len for doing what many of us thought was never going to happen again this season, and Pe’ for playing a good all-around game. Here’s to hoping we punish Clemson.

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

I'll leave the Henson stuff to the other thread, I don't want it to take over two separate posts

But the referee comment is another one of those “look at how rational I’m being” type of comments. “UNC got screwed too”? Really? Did I miss Jon Henson getting his fourth foul when he didn’t touch anyone?

I hate complaining about refereeing and defend the zebras 95% of the time, but the ref jobs over the past two games were hideously awful. Turgeon – a newbie who got ejected in one of his first ACC games – isn’t going to get any favors from the refs, and it’s crap.

Despite that, my biggest problem with the game was hideous inconsistency. I have a serious problem with calling the first 15 minutes with a loose whistle and then calling anything and everything the final 25 minutes. Calling the game that way favored a certain team, and it wasn’t us. Look at the first half/second half foul totals for each team, you’ll know what I’m talking about.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

For the record, though, I'm not blaming the officials for the loss

Lot of reasons we lost yesterday. I was really unhappy we were only up two at the half because I knew we couldn’t sustain that over 40 minutes. Just recognizing that it wasn’t close to good enough.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

There was no one freaking out more than me when Len picked up that phantom foul

That said, can you really say that Tyler Zeller deserved that offensive foul? That was a horrible, horrible call too. Zeller had to sit for a long time in the second half, in part because of that b.s. call. Len’s will beat Zeller’s in the “How did you call that a foul?” game every time, but both had major impacts.

Yeah, way more fouls we’re called in the second half. But you have to admit that the game had gotten chippier. That kind of play is conducive to more whistles. Honestly, though, I’d have to watch the game again to see exactly what you’re talking about.

Basically, if I was a UNC fan, I’d bet I’d have thought the refs favored MD, even when considering the Len call and the Faust one at the end of the game. That’s how us fans (or at least I) operate. We go crazy when calls are made against us, and tend to not see the fouls that should’ve been called on us (unless they’re completely egregious). So I guess I always give the refs the benefit of the doubt, and assume they officiated fairly and evenly, knowing I’m looking at the game through a skewed lens.

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether the referees favored one team or the other is always going to be up for debate.

But the inconsistency was horrendous. ACC officiating has been all over the place for a few years now. It’s not even one crew to another, it’s a single crew within one game who can’t figure out what they want to call. There’s absolutely no justification for that.

by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you believe that UNC fans are hollerin' that the refs went all Maryland's way?

Check out the comments on Yahoo game story. They also are sayin’ that the dunk at the end was justified.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see how justified

if Pankey would have tried to block it and given a hip check across Henson’s body and knocked him into the 3rd row. THAT would have been justified.

I did that once to a player who drove in at the end of a game that hey were easily winning. He went flying under the basket and slid 5 feet from the contact. He was not happy I did it, but I think he got the message w/o me saying a word.

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by bball purist on Feb 6, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Glad to see ‘The Purist’ feels this way.

by NAmstrong on Feb 6, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

As a youngster, I was more like T Mo

then I turned into Maurice Lucas – lmao

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by bball purist on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Calls

The refs messed up by changing the way they called the game. They let alot of contact go in the 1st half, but called fouls in the 2nd half after the players had settled down.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to consider also that

UNC was in the double bonus before UMD made it to the bonus. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but that means we had 10+ fouls called against us when UNC had at most 6 (I am speaking about the second half here). That lack of balance develops a perception of unfair calling. Good refs are aware of this and try to keep games even, though sometimes it isn’t possible because of the game play. For this game, neither team was playing more aggressively or physically than the other, but the whistle was blown against one team more than the other.

Part of good refereeing is controlling the perception of unfair calling.

by terppride on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Few thoughts

1. P’shon can not guard anyone. Marshall drove past him like he was invisible, and Marshall’s not that quick. That plus the stupid 3 point attempt when it was 1 on 4 make P’shon a problem.
2. I love Turg, but the fact is, late in the game, he had Len and 4 guards on the floor with the game still close. We got out-rebounded in crunch time because we had no height in the game. Padgett should have been in the game.
3. Len is the real deal. All ACC 1st team by Jr year.
4. Stogs took the last 6 shots because nobody esle was getting open. Watch the tape, no one else is moving.
5. Is it only me, or does anyone else think Barnes really resembles Len Bias? Same exact body, same exact perfect jump shot.

by jlowenc on Feb 5, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Agree on 2, TOTALLY disagree on 5

I thought going to the 4 guard lineup that late was very questionable. They killed us in rebounding in that stretch. And hell no Barnes is no like Bias. Len was a lot more explosive and physical. Barnes just wants to shoot jumpers. Somewhat reminds me of Calbert Chaney.

by gianterp on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Barnes vs Bias

I’m not saying he is as good as Bias, but if you think Barnes is not explosive, then you haven’t watched enough UNC games. The guy can take over a game, and he will be a top 3 pick in the next NBA draft. When he wants to be, he is unstoppable. If he wasn’t in the Carolina “system” he’d be scoring 20+/game. We got lucky yesterday that he had a bum ankle. He wasn’t moving or cutting to the basket like he normally does. Barnes is better right now than Calbert Chaney ever was.

by jlowenc on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bias vs. Barnes

I didn’t mean to say Barnes is not good or an explosive SCORER. The guy is legit. I meant Bias had this nastiness about him when he went to the rim. He was way more physical player. And I don’t know if you remembered Chaney at Indiana. The guy was a phenomenal scorer and real smooth player. He was the national player of the year. To say that a sophmore Barnes is better than the best Calbert Cheaney is ludicrous. Just my humble opinion.

by gianterp on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you for bringing point number 2 up

i mentioned that during the game thread and somebody blasted me for it. I love turge as well but that doesn’t mean every decision he makes is correct. This is an example of something he could have done better

by formerlyknownasjinsookim on Feb 5, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Bias was much quicker and more athletic than Barnes.

Hell, he was better than Jordan in college. Who knows, he may have been the best, period.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

A Legend........

His skills were limitless. What a shame!!!

by TwerpsNoMore on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Point #2 is right on

The only way to compete againse in control the boards, like FSU did to them. That means we have to 3 bigs all the time we can. We got buried with the 4 guard setup late in the game.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree on #1

Marshall’s not that quick? Maybe he ain’t the quickest on the court (that’d be Stoglin), but he’s not slow either. Marshall is the best true point guard in the ACC and frankly I haven’t seen anyone in the ACC pass like that since Steve Blake. If fact I think there are a LOT of similarities between their games. I’d still take Blake on my team over Marshall, but Marshall is a pretty young player still.

Pe has many flaws, but his D is actually pretty good. Marshall is just a better player overall.

by tERP01 on Feb 5, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Another possibility on #2

Maybe Turge took Padge out of the game because he wasn’t blocking out. I could definitely see that as being the one point he really wants James to work on more, so it might be the one issue that can get him put on the bench. If Padgett isn’t blocking out and helping on the boards, it seems like late in close games Turge tends to go with more trapping and looking for the steal, which guards are going to be better than a PF.

As a team, we really need to work on the blocking out though. Gary never stressed that, so I’d almost say that the older players are at more of a disadvantage in learning on that point than the younger guys.

by Nihonterp on Feb 5, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

you must've missed some of Gary's sideline rants when guys didn't box out

it was hilarious but justified. i learned more curse words from gary when teams got 4-5 offensive rebounds than i did watching pulp fiction.

by space_ on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree on 2, as well as 6

Wondering about 3, though. He played out of his mind on Saturday. The key phrase there is “out of his mind.” He’s had miserable games ever since the NC State game. Let’s see him string a few good games together against real competition before we declare him an All ACC type of guy.

by mdmadness on Feb 6, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Critical Point I think

We’ve all been saying how this team is inexperienced but that all of these close games are, in the long term, going to be really helpful. It would seem that the team, especially young guys, are learning on the job how to (and not to) close out a close game against a tough opponent. HOWEVER, I think this is way off from reality. At the end of all these close games, like it’s been mentioned above, Stogs is the only one taking shots and the rest of his teammates are afraid/hesitant to want the ball and shoot a big shot in crunch time. This is definitely NOT good for the future and the for the experience of everyone not named Stoglin. If Stoglin didn’t take over with 5 minutes left in the game, I understand we have less of a chance of winning most of these games, but not getting anyone else involved has taught them nothing about closing out a game. What’s going to happen when/if Stoglin leaves? I think what we’ll see is a relapse into poor play at the end of games even when Faust/Len/the other young guys are Juniors. Let’s keep an eye on this!

by packman1 on Feb 5, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Stogs shoots so much because he knows he has the green light from Turge

Everyone else is hesitant because they don’t know the difference between a good shot and a great shot. Turge needs to let the players know “Hey, if you’re open (and can shoot) take the shot. Don’t hesitate. Be confident in yourself and just shoot it.” If you catch the ball and know you’re going to shoot it AND you’re open, you’ll hit that shot 7 times out of 10.

Am I the only one that wants to see Len learn Pdage’s spin move on the block? If he learns that move and gets stronger, he will be a load to handle on the block. With this year’s learning experience under his belt, I can see him being a GREAT player. He’s shown glimpses of his skill set. Good passes out of the post, rebounding, defensive force, and he can score. I can’t wait to see him put it all together. He will be a joy to watch.

I love the fact that Nick is growing up quicker than I expected him to. He’s starting to look more and more comfortable on the floor and he stopped taking jump shots and started driving, which looks like his strong point so far. He’s always been pretty good on defense with his quick hands and anticipation. When he puts it all together with Len, that will be a scary 1 2 punch when they’re juniors. Throw in sophmores Shaq, Layman, Allen, and (hopefully) frosh Meeks/Anya, Etou, and the twins/Rysheed and Robinson. We could be better than expected sooner than expected.

by terpsallday on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Len's spin

I think it was with UNC but might have been the Miami game, but Len did spin off a player on the baseline at one point. He got himself so open it looked like he surprised himself (!), and he missed the bunny layup. Those are the kinds of plays that in 1-2 years he will rain the Ukrainian pain down on the opposition, no mercy.

by Nihonterp on Feb 5, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What I learned from this game

Is it is extremely hard to watch the Terps lose a close game while at your 3 year old’s birthday party without cursing. After the game I had to go outside so I could scream a few F words.

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by John Stephens on Feb 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Been there, done that

You’ll mellow out over the years, but you’ll still drop a few F bombs without thinking! It’s only natural being a Terps fan.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 5, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

went away from the rest of the fam

to watch. Dropped enough fbombs to shock and awe a nunnery or two.

by LeftCoastTerp on Feb 5, 2012 3:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Haha

I was at my nephew’s birthday party (3yrs also). I was able to refrain from cursing, but I kept hitting the table whenever anything bad happened.

by tumi on Feb 5, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Yeah I was filming the present opening and when I rewatched it there is one part where you can hear me say “OH MY GOD!” Haha

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by John Stephens on Feb 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Are there areas in which we need to improve?

Yes. Are there aspects of every player’s game that could be improved? Yes. There will ALWAYS be certains aspects that could get better. There will ALWAYS be mistakes. But for the last 46 minutes, this team played with a heart and a passion that is capable of carrying it to wins in every game remaining on their schedule (on the road vs. UNC and Duke not withstanding).

I can live with physical mistakes. And even some mental mistakes are to be expected. But they can control the intensity with which they play the game. If they continue to do that for the remainder of the season, we’ll be able to look back at Turge’s ejection vs. Miami as the turning point in the season.

by curterp on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I read in the

Baltimore Sun that a fan had to be removed for screaming something inappropriate during the nation anthem. Anybody know what was said?

Baseball nerd

by Michael18 on Feb 5, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

F--- UNC

Tacky enough, but just something you don’t do DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.

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by wittcap79 on Feb 5, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Good that he was removed

The whole place did a collective facepalm when it happened.

Also, who was the dumbass yelling “F- UNC” during OUR OWN FOULSHOTS?

by Womp Womp on Feb 5, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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