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Maryland Falls to UNC Despite Spirited Showing, 83-74

Another shot at a big win for Maryland, another opportunity passed up. Difference is, this time it's pretty tough to complain about it.

Maryland went toe-to-toe with 5th-ranked North Carolina, playing inspired and disciplined for the first 30 minutes before their own fatigue and the Tar Heels' superior talent and athleticism. Terrell Stoglin's 20 points wasn't enough to overcome a combined 57 points from Tyler Zeller, Jon Henson, and Harrison Barnes, as UNC iced it late 83-74.

Maryland's first half was probably the best twenty minutes they've played all season: they executed almost flawlessly, looked dialed-in, and played with huge effort. They turned the ball over only four times, forced eight UNC turnovers, and shot 80% from the stripe. The end result? A 40-37 lead heading into the half.

The Terrapins had a great start to the second half, jumping out to an early 9-point lead. The referees quickly took hold of the game, with a tighter whistle - that was always going to favor the more athletic and refined North Carolina. The heels cut the lead to just two within minutes. A quick 7-0 run around the 10:00 mark gave Carolina a 59-57 lead, and it's one they didn't relinquish. Maryland kept the game within about three for almost the entire game, but tried to extend the game in the closing minute and the score got a little-out-of-hand. Make no mistake: UNC wasn't 9 points better than Maryland today.

Star-divide

The standout performer of the day had to be Alex Len, who completely changed the game. He got his swagger back today. Len finished with 12 points, 9 boards, 4 blocks, oftentimes going one-on-five on the glass. He was the only one who could neutralize UNC's elite front line, and finished with arguably his best performance of the season. Hopefully this is the Len we see the rest of the year; if it is, Maryland can make some noise in the ACC.

Everyone else more or less came and went. Everyone played spirited all the time, but had spurts of poor play. Stoglin had some mind-bending plays but still shot only 8-21 from the field; Pe'Shon Howard had only two turnovers and made two threes, but also didn't have a single assist; and Nick Faust looked like dynamite driving the ball, but made a series silly plays that really hurt.

I'm on a tight schedule, so I won't go much deeper than that for now. I'll leave with two quick notes. First, the officiating. If you're a long-time follower, you know that I more often than not stick up for the refs. I don't like it when fanbases whine incessantly about officiating, and try to divorce myself from my fandom to assess this. But today ... it was awful. Both ways. They all loved to hear their own whistle, and got caught in a vicious sequence of ticky-tack fouls. Worst of them was a call on Alex Len when he literally didn't touch Jon Henson. (I guess "intimidation" is now illegal.) I said it was bad both ways, and it was, but it hurt Maryland much more; the refs let the game run for the first few minutes, and Maryland capitalized. Their gameplan was built on effort and intensity, and that requires a loose whistle. The refs moved the goalposts mid-way through, and the second half was a bear to watch because of it.

The other note: you have to wonder how much it hurt that Maryland went two overtimes on Wednesday. Most of the starting five went upwards of 40 minutes against Miami, then played the majority of the game today as well. Surely contributed to the late struggles.

I can't fault a thing about Maryland today. Well, I can, but I'll choose not to. It's really tough to fault a team when they nearly beat an obviously superior opponent. The next step for Maryland is now to take what they did tonight and replicate every game for the rest of the year. If they do, they can easily get to 8-8, and then the bubble is still alive. If they regress instead, well, we'll see more of what we've seen.

Exit question: how much do you hate Jon Henson?

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I couldn't give 2 shits about what Henson did.

And that’s even if GV didn’t do the same thing against N.C. State. I still hate Zeller more, and he was dirtier than Henson in this game.

This game was just infuriating, much more than the Duke game, because we just couldn’t follow through. The ball game for me was:
1. Turnovers/poorly run fast breaks
2. That stretch of 4-5 posessions where we turned it over at the top of the key before even setting up the offense

by ivan24 on Feb 4, 2012 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

I knew someone would bring up GV

Difference being that Henson probably wasn’t the recipient of racial slurs all game.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll give you that, but I still feel the same way

IMO, Zeller’s pick on Pe’Shon >>>>>>>> Henson in my hateability index.

by ivan24 on Feb 4, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That's respectable, but I don't think there was any malintent on Zeller's pick

Dangerous (and illegal) play, but he wasn’t thinking “Oh I’m gonna deck this guy.” Henson, on the other hand, knew exactly what he was doing.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Henson: true. But wasn't Padgett taunting him just a couple minutes prior?

Zeller: I’ll allow for the possibility. But he is, in my opinion, a dirty player, has a pompous attitude, exhibits horrible body language, and gets away with a ton.

by ivan24 on Feb 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

what a douche bag

i cant wait till we kick there ass next year

by fear da turtle 2002 on Feb 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

zeller is a senior

so he gets off scott-free. But we could always bring to crowd down to UNC when we play them again :D

by Turgeonator on Feb 4, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

On a scale of 1-10,

10 being the most hated, Ill give Henson a 9.

by gato6489 on Feb 4, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If It werent for the possibility of getting expelled

I probably wouldve ran onto the court and ball tapped henson hard. Man was i tempted…

by fballplyr92 on Feb 4, 2012 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

Refs cost us the game....among other things

I haven’t heard that many “refs you suck” chants in a while

A lot of TO’s towards the end of the game…We obviously don’t have the depth to compete for a full 40 this year.

We gave a very spirited outing considering we are so undermanned…It shows that we are a damn good team and that Williams is a very mediocre coach.

…and I don’t hate Henson b/c GV did the same thing to NC State and I loved that….

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

GV

as said above was getting called for like racial mexican slurs… It was personal for him

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

my b

im all over the place… I just feel terrible, cause we had this game and I feel like it was taken out from under our feet. I just hope we blow them out when we go to UNC.
But Turge is understanding why GW had the biggest chip on his shoulder. And he really has no choice but to develop one after the duke miami and this game

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea this game has me depressed for sure....We had a win

…and I feel like the refs hamstrung us calling fouls on us forcing us to be less aggresive and more passive at some points… which allowed them to even the score and eventually take the lead….

But yea..Turge is learning….I thought he was close to another T a few times today….

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea man

I havent been this upset about game (besides mich St) since….. prolly the 02 acc tourny loss to NC State. I remember I just went to my room and didnt come out till the next morning.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Proud of The Terps

Can’t say enough of how proud I am of this team. They did an excellent job overall against what was supposedly the best team in the nation to start the season. A little more depth for us and we will be able to handle most anyone.

As usual, there were 3-5 absolutely horrible calls by the refs in the second half, but after all we do play in the ALL CAROLINA CONFERENCE. Does anyone think ESPN and/or Swofford wanted us to ruin the build-up of the almighty UNC-Duke game on Wednesday!

by frencha2 on Feb 4, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

very proud

Today is an example of why we should look forward to next year. Yes, at times they make head scratching decisions, but you can see improvement and talent. Give everyone a year of experience, add in some depth next year (but temper expectations with Cleare and Layman), and ensure Howard’s foot is completely healed and I think we are dancing.

by terps1965 on Feb 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like being at the game

magnifies all the calls for me. The touch fouls we would get on screens/defense, for instance the strip by SSM was a foul while Marshall stripping it was ont. I think Pe’ got called for a touch foul on a screen 14 seconds into the half, while Marshall blatantly held Pe’ off a screen and got nothing. And Barnes pushed off on every play.

There were a number of things that hurt us, mostly rebounding down the stretch and a ton of missed threes in the second half. But every time we had a lead or made a run, the refs would make a call that stopped our momentum. It was just frustrating and felt inconsistent.

So eff the refs, and eff Henson too.

by turtlepower on Feb 4, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

To any ppl at the game. Were there any chants for Diggs and/or Brenneman?

by UMTerp2010 on Feb 4, 2012 6:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

A lot of diggs chant

RIP Lennie Bias
Turgeon General, Fear the Turgeon, in Turgeon we trust.
Lesean is the "Real Slim Shady"

by dterpfan on Feb 4, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

a ton

I think he asked locksley for a pen to sign his LOI at the half

by churl77 on Feb 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

we had a few signs for diggs

that apparently is risky business with the ncaa these days. And i heard at least 8 times we chanted his name, twice even the people who didnt know him were chanting, and he definately gave recognition of our efforts each time

by Turgeonator on Feb 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Tons of Diggs

I don’t think many people knew about other recruits.

Diggs heard each of them and stood up to acknowledge them. I was sad that he was out of his seat for the pregame hype, though.

by turtlepower on Feb 4, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Let's focus on the positives...

1.) Faust and Len are starting to step up and will be factors on both ends of the court for the remainder of the season.

2.) Padgett has really improved and is contributing as much as he can.

3.) Turgeon has this team believing and playing with confidence. They aren’t intimidated by anyone.

Right now is frustrating, but who at the beginning of November thought that this team would be in these games? Future is very bright and if we can win at Clemson on Tuesday Night, 4-4 is not out of the question for the second half of the ACC season.

On a sidenote, I am hoping that Jordan Williams big mistake will benefit the Terps in the long run by influencing Stoglin to stay four years and get his degree.

Ben, how close is Stoglin to 1,000 points for his career at Maryland?

by bruterp on Feb 4, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Stoglin

Was scholar athlete of the week today on the big screen.. Not that it means much for how long he stays, but its good to see he’s hitting the books..

by amarshall on Feb 4, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

he’s always up there at each game, just like jerome burney a few years back. Would not have guessed it with his swagger attitude but definately good that he’s a hard worker mentally too

by Turgeonator on Feb 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Turge wanted to show up Roy.

We know we can run with anyone in the nation…th biggest issue is depth….

just think about how it would have been w/o Len and Pe’…when we only had 7, and had to play the walk-ons…

by umcp96 on Feb 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Fun game, showed me a lot about the future of this team

I cursed the fuck out of Henson after than and told him to come back next year so shaq could destroy him.

About diggs, he was realllllly digging (get it?) the chants. stood up and waved a bunch of times

by terps3030 on Feb 4, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

If we play with that kind of intensity for the rest of the season,

we’ll only lose two more games this year (Duke and UNC on the road). We’ll finish 9-7 entering the ACCT, and have a legitimate shot at 20 wins. We’ll look back on the season, and be able to say Turge getting ejected against Miami turned the season around.

by curterp on Feb 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

Gotta wonder now...

I think we win this games if Barnes sits. Agree that if we keep up this effort, the rest of the season will be fun to watch!

by Nihonterp on Feb 4, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

I feel really bad for our team

We played our hearts out, and they gave a winning effort and thats all you can ask.

I am tired of refs in general. They shouldnt be the focus of a game and for about 4 games they have been. There are too many judment calls being called that should be no calls. And assumption calls by refs who cant see the play have to go. I am done complaining about them for the season and you know its bad when Ben makes it a main point in to post..

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Non-starter minutes: Carolina-35, MD-73

We were definitely tired. But shouldn’t Carolina have been more tired? Or are we just out of shape?

by ivan24 on Feb 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Just think it takes more effort when you are at a deficit talent wise. Plus the long game the other night didn’t help.

by musicturtle on Feb 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a combo of:

the double OT game in Miami

There much higher athleticism (The only way to counter this is too out-hustle them and get to all the loose balls, and work harder to get around screen, However this also wears you out)

Zeller- Damn that guy is always running. You could see Alex getting tired running up and down the floor with him. Also Henson as well

Side note: Foul minutes- Some of those minutes are b/c our starters were in foul trouble

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The break today

I know they made some bad passes on the break, but it looked as if they were trying to give it up more on the break instead of committing offensive fouls. That to me was encouraging.

by musicturtle on Feb 4, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Good point.

But, a turnover is still a turnover. Now they just need to swing the pendulum back to the middle.

by ivan24 on Feb 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A packed Comcast Center,

a raucous crowd, and nearly knocking off UNC…should have left a pretty good impression on the recruits…Diggs, Brenneman, Jordan, etc.

by curterp on Feb 4, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike UNC more than they do Duke?

I at least respect Coach K. I hate a lot of their players, the fans, the calls they get, etc.

But, there really isn’t anything I can say I respect or like about UNC.

I think I’ll be rooting for Duke Wednesday night.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

I just dont care about UNC

but after today…. damn I do not respect them and think they are a punch of pricks. I wish len would have decked him. But him missing any game time is worse

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

After today

I am reconsidering which of Duke and UNC I hate more. UNC sure as hell is making a strong case.

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

After today

And the “go back to the ghetto” incident, I think UNC has surpassed my hatred for Duke.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Mentioned this on Twitter

Completely agree. K built up a power out of nothing. Ol Roy just rides Jordan’s coattails.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've always hated UNC more than any other team

They are all obnoxious pricks, in any sport. Roy is a legend in his own mind, and his players are mostly wimps. Padge should have snapped a few necks and thrown their heads in the crowd. UNC = Ultra No Class.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hated the Tar Holes

I have ALWAYS hated UNC more. I moved from Baltimore and lived in NC for about 5 years and believe me, if you live there, you will hate UNC much, much more than Duke. Almost the entire state loves the Tar Holes – not Duke. Duke is a small school compared to UNC and most of their students come from outside the state of NC. After graduation most of them also leave the state so there are tons and tons of graduates of UNC who live there. And they are just like Kentucky fans in the obnoxiousness they have.

by frencha2 on Feb 4, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to agree about UNC fans.

Having lived in NC the past 13 years, I can affirm what you say about the average UNC fan. Most never went to college, much less UNC, and that subset of Tarhole fans is as obnoxious as you could imagine. Not all are bad, but I will definitely pull for Duke in that matchup as K has built something from the ground up.

by RaleighTerp on Feb 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I definetely hate UNC more than Dook

I hate them both. I respect Ratface a ton. He’s one of the greatest basketball coaches in history and he’s won a ton of games with good (not great) athletes. UNC always gets a ton of pros and teaches them to play soft.

by Twine on Feb 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree....I actually like Duke more than UNC this year and will root for them on wed

And it’s more b/c I respect Coach K as a coach more than Coach Williams (who I don’t think is a bad coach but he’s not a great coach by any means)..

I just don’t like the group UNC has right now…they’ve got crazy egos for not being that good….and some of the classless things they do…walking out at Fla St., this last second dunk…just being generally douchey…..

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Duke will always be more odious than unc. Fuck both of them but dook more

by nhlnflnba18414 on Feb 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

I will always hate duke much more. On a hate scale, I put duke slightly below cancer. UNC would be like hemroids or an STD, they suck, but you can live with ’em.

by 1 proud terp on Feb 5, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Refs killed us

Why is this a theme?

Also, Diggs isn’t coming here. Despite good efforts by the students to chant for him, with about 5 min left in the game, RE went to go sit next to him. Diggs immediately got up and walked away without really acknowledging him. Edsall looked around all confused and then fixated his eyes on Diggs while he was walking around talking to other people. It was really strange and terrible indication of his interest (or lack there of) if he couldn’t even give Edsall the time of day.

by terpskin on Feb 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

We got a new coach in the ACC

we dont have big bad GW, so refs are going to repsect us any more than they did before. I feel like they are saying turge has to earn our respect.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True....

I’m hoping Coach K and Roy will retire soon so we don’t have to deal with this shit for too much longer….

Maybe the next coach to come in after won’t get the same favoritism…one can only hope

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

unless you actually were next to them and heard the converstaion

this is all meaningless over-analyzation of their actions

I could say he is DEFINITELY coming bc everytime during the the game that i looked over, he and locks were chatting and laughing

by terps3030 on Feb 4, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

I’m just trying to give some info on what I saw take place. Could be wrong, hope I’m wrong, but it was a strange interaction. Edsall looked like a 10 year old kid who just lost his dog.

by terpskin on Feb 4, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

He will commit and it has very little to do with this game.

by LowcountryTerp1 on Feb 4, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I agree.

Edsall never was going to win Stefon over so who cares if Stefon ignored him. Locks and him seemed to be boys, I am actually starting to expect him to commit.

by nkeninitz on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

All 5 UNC starters would have fouled out in a correctly called game

Why is it that UNC always gets every favorable bounce? Hate them more than any other team.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Mark's teams are going to start playing with a "chip on their shoulder?"

I also wonder what Mark thought about the blocking foul called on Alex?

by wmterp on Feb 4, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

oh hell yea

they def feel like they are being screwed

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Got to

it’s the only way…Gary understood that if you’re gonna beat tobacco road teams you better beat them by 15 because the refs will give them 5-10 points. MT starting to see this now. And this is not belly aching, it is just the way that it has always been.

by musicturtle on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to start keeping a record of how many "guessing there would be contact" calls we get vs. opposing teams...

There were two calls inparticular that were blatantly bad

1. Nick Faust’s steal under the rim from Zeller
2. Alex Len no contact block on Henson

but I gotta be obkective did UNC get screwed over on a few calls or atleast one?

by terpsontop on Feb 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a couple pretty bad calls made on UNC

The offensive foul called on Zeller in the 2nd half was pretty awful.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, im tired of people complaining about the refs

it goes both ways, and none of us would be complaining if we had won

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually

We’d still be talking about how we were able to win despite the horrible calls. People don’t ignore the refereeing just because they win.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent effort. we’re just short on talent……but that will change in the next couple of years.

by fkterp on Feb 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

Good game sucks we lost...

Positives:
1. Alex Len really stepped up and really held his own today- nice to see our guys our learning to give him a clear out where he can come across the lane with a hook…he can shoot it…hopefully our offense developes him into our “shared primary scoring option” with Stoglin…if Len can begin to share what Stoglin is putting all on himself we would do much better down the stretch.
2. Peshon played with some balls today…would still like to see him fast breaks occasionally not pass the thread the needle fastball and curl it around back out on the dribble to the top of the key to establish the possesion…glad he hit two threes today and his dribbling at the top of the sets just felt more confident for some reason compared to the Miami game in particular.
3. This team will be fun to watch the rest of this season…I don’t think this is a flash in the pan…they are definitely becoming more and more motivated and will win some big games this season. If we can overcome our late game tendencies to over rely on Stoglin and keep balance we will have a great chance at making a late season run…Terps baby!

by terpsontop on Feb 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

I'm VERY proud of this team

I love the heart, determination, and fight this team shows. We were obviously out-talented today, but they didn’t let that stop them. They kept fighting til the end (or when the refs started giving UNC the game). I couldn’t ask more from this team.

by terpsallday on Feb 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

If you want some "juvinile" comments from a Carolina fan....

Read some of the comments on IMS. There are derogitory comments about Turge, Gary, Edsall, GV, etc

by umcp96 on Feb 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

I actually am sort of starting to agree

For the most part I never thought we had a chance, but I could actually see this happening.

by nkeninitz on Feb 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Prisoners of the moment

take a step back and think about it

I like Turtles!

by RedTurtle on Feb 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda classless

Seeing that the guy almost lost his leg in that accident. It ended his career and almost ruined his life. You’re equating an end of game dunk to a career ending motorcycle accident…nice. No wonder Maryland fans are considered classless.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

True

Which is why I didn’t tweet that too him. It is classless, but funny. But, he’s fine now. If he had been seriously hurt and still was suffering from it today, then it’d be much worse.

But, Henson’s dunk was also classless. And talking about how much you liked it with multiple exclamation points is pretty classless too.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He's looking at it from a fan's standpoint

As a fan, you love to see a highlight dunk. It’s nothing personal against Maryland. He actually likes Maryland, and is one of the announcers who always give Maryland a chance. That was a great dunk. You can’t try to take away from it just because it was against your team.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A highlight dunk??

Almost everyone had already give up. “Look at me, I’m John Henson and I can slam down a dunk with 1 second left in a 9-point game! You see that Scott Van Pelt?!”

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Len didn't give up

He challenged it. It shouldn’t be an issue. I don’t know why people are bothered by it. I doubt he would’ve went up if Len hadn’t been in the lane.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Len only challenged it once he saw Henson was actually going to drive to the rim instead of letting the clock run out.

by discuit on Feb 4, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

Henson was throwing that down no matter what Len did.

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah len was already in post-game mode

and only reacted since henson was in the air coming at him

by Turgeonator on Feb 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't just mean the dunk though

He made sure to say the “Henson dunk…with 2 seconds left.”

Obviously, it was a sweet dunk. But that’s not what Jay was asking about, he was asking if you liked him dunking it with 2 seconds left and the game in hand. Totally different.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, it doesn't matter

That he dunked it. Len challenged the shot. It wasn’t like it was a wide open dunk. Secondly, it’s division 1 college basketball…there’s no mercy rule. You can score all you want. Had Len dunked on Henson at the end of a Maryland win, I don’t think anybody on here would have had a problem with that. It was a statement dunk at the end of a hard fought win. No problem with that.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The truth is

that UNC does that against any and every team they play. Earlier this season they took a shot with less than 5 seconds left when they were beating UNC-Pembroke by nearly 30. It’s unnecessary.

by chapelhillterp on Feb 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I watch a lot of College Basketball, and you rarely see that in very similar situations. There’s a reason Turgeon said he “didn’t like it, and Roy knows it.”

On a related note, I’ve seen a lot of your posts, and half the time it’s like you’re EAGER or searching for opportunities to defend the opposing team/player/fans, no matter what the situation. What gives?

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I get that alot

I feel like people go over board a bit on here. It’s one thing to believe in your team and support your team, but some of the comments are ridiculous. I only try to be a voice of reason when I see an over the top comment or something I don’t agree with.

And you know one thing that is very similar that happens late in the game that I hate? When a team fouls down 7 with 10 seconds to go. Or a coach calls timeout down double digits with 10 seconds to go.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all, the Jay Williams stuff is classless and we’re better than that, but I’m not deleting (most) of it because it turns out we can talk about it without eating each other alive.

But no one’s saying Henson shouldn’t be allowed to dunk (“no mercy rule”). They’re saying he shouldn’t be so much of an asshole as to do it. There’s a difference. Len challenging the shot had nothing to do with it. The problem was that Henson thought it was fair game to throw down and prove a point despite the game being over and both sides resigning to let the clock run. It’s unnecessary and unsporting. Frankly, it’s a dick move and everyone who’s played sports – save UNC fans, who will obviously love it – knows it’s a dick move. I can’t believe this actually needs to be explained.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't see the problem.

He had every right to finish. He caught the ball in the lane against a guy who had given him fits all game. Why not get out some frustration? And make Sportscenter while you’re at it. It was within the rules, it wasn’t hurting anybody. It was a basketball play, and it was challenged.

I was at the Maryland/Wake Forest game in the Maryland family section a couple of years ago when Jeff Teague dunked on Dave Neal, and I along with some other people in there kinda jumped up in excitement because it was a great basketball play. As a basketball fan, a great play is a great play whether it happens against your team or not. And that was a great play.

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You have pretty low standards

if you think that Henson dunk was “a great play”. Jordan’s catch-and-release against the Jazz was a great play, just for perspective.

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Feb 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

don't be salty

That was a great play. 2 7 footers meeting at the rim

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Len barely challenged it

He moved over in the lane after Henson cut to the basket. There’s no way Len put as much effort into that as he would in a normal game situation, and that is clear when you watch the replay.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

it was one 7-footer shuffling over in front of another cause he figured the game was over. (Which it was).

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Feb 5, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I just re-watched it

Len only moved over because Henson was suddenly cutting to the lane and getting the ball. Everyone was just waiting for the clock to run out, Len probably wasn’t expecting Henson to cut to the basket. But he did, so what, do you want him to just stand there? Henson was throwing that down regardless of what Len did, so why are you acting like it’s ok because Len moved over?

by terpfan92 on Feb 4, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously guys

If everyone watched the dunk you’ll see Len half heartedly barely jump in the air. He seemed kind of shocked that Henson was even going to the basket. If Len was actually still playing he would’ve at least fouled him. Henson would not have scored. There was 1.7 seconds left when he scored against a team not trying to foul. CLASSLESS.

by rquidas on Feb 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Really?

You continue to look at it differently than everyone else. It doesn’t matter that “it’s within the rules” and “he had every right.” No one’s saying that he shouldn’t have the right to do that. They’re saying that doing it – dunking the ball with the game in hand and the other side willing to let the clock run out – is unsporting, unnecessary, and a general display of douche-iness. Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it’s in good taste – see Florida State fans and the “Deport Vasquez” fiasco. Freedom of speech is awesome, but that doesn’t mean it’s cool to say whatever you want. Same here; just because you can throw down in someone’s face with 2 seconds left doesn’t mean you should.

Again, I’m baffled that this is seriously under discussion. Everyone who’s played sports – save people pulling for UNC and people trying to be “the rational one” – understands how classless a move that was.

by Ben Broman on Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC Fans

My experience with UNC fans (I lived in Durham/CH for four years and saw 4 games at the DD, including the “go back to the ghetto” game), is that they have no ability to tell the difference between points that matter and points that don’t. They would feel the same way about that dunk if they were up by 30 or down by 1.

by UtzTheCrabChip on Feb 4, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben

You’re talking about non basketball stuff. A guy making a basketball play is not classless just because it happened to your team. Maryland was pressing down 7 with 12.5 seconds left. Had they gotten steals, it would’ve been a different convo today. What’s wrong with Henson dunking after his tem just broke the press? Maryland didn’t stop playing, why should UNC have???

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you prove my point

The game wasn’t over. Maryland was pressing. Why should UNC have given up if the game was a steal or 2 away from being a loss or going to OT?

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

There were TWO seconds left.

If the game wasn’t over, as you say, then UNC should’ve just held the ball. After all, that would guarantee the win if MD didn’t foul, no?

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

We’ve got a pretty healthy back and forth going here. Are you going to get mad at me? One guy already got mad at me. I’m just trying to talk sports here man, please don’t take it personal.

But Henson wasn’t wrong for what he did.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not taking it personal?

Where am I straying from this healthy back and forth? I made the point that, if the game weren’t over, why didn’t Henson (Marshall, even), just hold the ball and run out the clock to ensure the win? When has a team ever come back from down 7 with under 10 seconds left? You keep saying stuff like what if Henson turned it over? Well, did Henson not miss a dunk (foul was phantom) over Len earlier in the game? Could he not have missed it again, especially if Len had tried harder to stop/block it?

Also fyi, I’m not a man, but the assumption is fine, I know I’m one of maybe not even half a handful of females on here.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize

It wasnt about time and score. Len had been battling the UNC bigs all game. Here is a chance to compete one more time against a guy you have been competing against all game. No harm in that. Even Roy Williams said he didn’t have a problem with it.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet Turgeon did.

Why is Roy proof, and not Turge?

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It was done by his player

Of course Coach Turgeon isn’t going to like it, it happened to his team. His player got embarrassed. Maybe I would buy the argument that it was unsportsmanlike had Henson’s hall of fame coach had a problem with it. But like he said, it’s not like Maryland had stopped playing.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Embarrassed?

I’m not embarrassed. I’m not impressed that Henson dunked a ball on a guy who didn’t even react until he was going to the basket. That was not Len’s best effort. I highly doubt he was even expecting Marshall to pass the ball there.

And I imagine Len and other MD players felt more anger towards it, not embarrassment. No one on here’s first reaction was “ouch, Len looked so bad there,” it was “What the hell Henson.”

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it'd be classless against anybody.

It’d be just as classless as if Pankey did at Clemson on Tuesday. Hold me to it.

So there was no other option for Henson? Either dunk the ball w/ 1.7 or let Maryland win the game? He beats the press, so now his only option is to dunk? Of course not. He could’ve dribbled the ball to the top of the key and stood there. Same result. Maryland was pressing because they were losing. UNC wasn’t, and they didn’t need that dunk to win. Henson was running up the score, plain and simple, and doing it one of the most disrespectful ways possible.

Let me guess: you’re cool with teams going for 2 when they’re up by 40, right?

There’s a reason Turgeon didn’t like the dunk and had words with Roy at the handshake. There’s a reason Roy apologized for it and said he didn’t like the dunk.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Political

Coach Williams isn’t going to let a little thing like that ruin his relationship with Turgeon. If Turgeon had a problem with it, Williamswas right to apologize instead of disagreeing publicly

I guarantee you that had Henson caught the ball and turned it over with 5 seconds to go, people would be saying he should’ve kept attacking. The kid caught the ball off a press break and finished. Why should he have stopped playing when Maryland didn’t?

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Because taking the high road would show class and sportsmanship.

Instead, he ran up the score and woofed about it.

He caught the ball up 7 with three seconds to go. He could’ve shot the ball at Maryland’s basket and it wouldn’t have mattered. The game was decided.

I’m just going to agree to disagree, because this is tedious. You can respond, but I don’t have the time or willingness to come back and rebut. I respect your opinion and your effort to bring a different viewpoint; I don’t really respect your pretentious effort to be Mr. Rational and remind us all what silly homers we’re being. Feel free to continue doing it – this is me as a commenter, not a moderator – but a style tip: try to disguise it.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't mean to upset you man

Whenever I see something I don’t agree with, I speak up. I thought that’s what these boards were for. It’s good, healthy debate. I haven’t insulted anybody, I’ve just disagreed with certain things.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

football analogy

UNC is up by 10, there are three seconds left and the Quarterback snaps the ball, pretends to kneel, then throws a 40 yard strike to a receiver that no one was covering for the TD.

You cool with that?

by UtzTheCrabChip on Feb 5, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

We’re going a little crazy with the comparisons. Apples to oranges my man. Apples to oranges

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not apples to oranges

The comparison’s close to the mark. You are being evasive because you don’t have an argument. The fact is that most here think the dunk with a couple of seconds remaining and half-hearted defense was poor sportsmanship. Your posts show you to be disagreeable by nature, so maybe it’s the arguing that turns you on. Or maybe it’s just that sportsmanship means nothing to you, in which case you were probably very frustrated during the Gary years.

by rsdk on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure 80% of us didn't like the dunk

If Henson just dunked it, I would still be a little heated but I would have gotten over it quickly. The fact that he showboated and as Ben said “woofed about it” is what really pissed me off. I’m never one to wish ill will on anyone, but if a Gerald Henderson elbow to Hansbrough incident happend to Henson when we play them at Chapel Hill, I wouldn’t feel bad at all for him.

by terpsallday on Feb 6, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Not reasonable

You guys aren’t bing honest with yourselves.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If a Maryland player comes back and does the same thing to UNC at UNC

I will personally make sure I find you and tell you how much I don’t approve of it. Because the point of the matter is, I’m not okay with ANYONE doing that.

Is that honest enough for you?

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that

He caught the ball in the lane with 3 seconds left. And there was a contest at the rim. It wasn’t like Maryland had waived the white flag. It would take a lot of restraint to not go up and try the play he made. He said he took Len coming over as a challenge. It wasn’t about he game at that point. Forget the time and score

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch the replay

Len did not come over until after Henson was in the lane moving to the hoop. And you can’t say “forget the time and score,” that’s the whole point.

I get that he caught the ball in the lane. So let’s go even further then – why is Marshall making that pass?! He’s the PG, he should’ve just held it. MD wasn’t fouling (and even if they did, it’s still a 7+ pt game with like 5 seconds left). Also, MD pretty much did wave the white flag IMO.

The point is, this happens all the time, and 98% of the time, the other team just holds the ball. You know why? Because it’s just plain the right thing to do.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'all are looking for something and there's nothing there

Maryland was pressing. Marshall wanted the dunk more it seemed, and if you watch the video it looks like he turned around and said something to the crowd. Can’t fault Henson for trying to get on sportscenter. Len took the challenge by coming over. It wasn’t about Maryland vs UNC, that was more Henson and Len challenging each other.

And I’m not someone who is big on mercy rules and that stuff, so I thought maybe it was just me. But I’ve talked to other people who aren’t Maryland fans, and nobody has a problem with that play. People are upset over the play because it happened to their team.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I already told you I would have a problem

I’m big on not disrespecting your opponent. You talk about you wanting to be the rational one, but I have no problems criticizing my own team. I too am able to step back and look at the big picture. IMO the big picture is that you don’t do that. I don’t care who it is or what team is on their jersey.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Disrespectful?

I don’t see how it was disrespectful. Disrespectful would’ve been if nobody was under the basket and he had throw it off the glass and dunked it. I can see that being disrespectful.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The game was over.

Everyone in the building knew it. Once again, there is a REASON 98% of the time the other team just holds onto the ball. How do you explain that being such a norm?

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't about the game

It wasn’t about the game, like he said. It was more for the challenge. He saw Len and decided to challenge. And make no mistake, Len challenged. He came over from outside the lane and challenged. Had Len not been there, I can understand the argument for him to hold the ball.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You have it backwards.

Henson got the ball with a wide open lane. He was moving towards the empty hoop. Len moved over in response to that. Henson started going up before Len was even on the left block. Watch the replay, you really can’t dispute this. Len was not even in the paint when Henson got the ball!

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Partially Correct

But Len coming over prompted Henson to go up. Henson himself said he would not have tried to score had Len not tried to come over and make a play

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Henson can say whatever he wants after the game

To try to do damage control. His word isn’t gospel. Just as you said before that Roy only apologized to Turgeon because he didn’t want to disagree in public. Henson isn’t going to sit there and go “Oh yeah, I wanted to get on SportsCenter.”

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically what he said

He did it to make the spectacular play over Len. Why do you he did it? Im getting the vibe that Maryland fans think he did it to say screw Maryland

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it ok

I don’t care why he did it, and I have no doubt he wanted a big dunk. If you’ve actually been reading my arguments, you’d realize I don’t think that’s a good reason.

Answer me this: Why do most teams just hold the ball in the same situation?

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ignore my title there

I had something else continuing it but changed it.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Most teams don't

Most teams Score after breaking a press when they’re up a couple of buckets. It’s not rare.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

Why should he stop to look at the clock? Just to not hurt Maryland fans’ feelings? Most people I’ve talked to who aren’t Maryland fans have no problem with it. Again, Len had a chance to stop him and didn’t

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Everyone in the gym knew there were under 10 seconds left. There very obviously was not 35 seconds left, which means the shot clock was off, and you know that Henson knew that. MD stopped fouling. That’s the white flag. Marshall had the ball all alone, all he had to do was hold it.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly Henson

Was going up whether Len challenged or not. You can see it in his body, when Len was still outside.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I have friends that are UNC fans

They all texted me after that play saying what a bullshit move it was by Henson.

by aholla30 on Feb 5, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Go look on twitter

Or ask non UMD and non UNC fans

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen the replay? That was not pressure by Maryland

at the end. When Kendall Marshall had the ball on the wing, four of Maryland’s players were above the foul line extended. Why weren’t they back in the paint since they hadn’t waived the white flag? Only Len was still playing and he was coming over to help out.

Why is it Coach Williams didn’t like it, Coach Turgeon didn’t like it but you don’t have a problem with it? You just don’t get it.

by cdmterp on Feb 5, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen it

Maybe reading the post game comments will change your mind. http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carolina-basketball

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams said he would have liked it better if John hadn't

gone in and dunked it. He didn’t like it. Period. Henson initiated it all and Len reacted. Henson could’ve pulled it out. Go watch the replay and tell me what Kendall Marshall was thinking?

by cdmterp on Feb 5, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not what Williams said

Len was playing defense. That’s why Henson attacked. Had Maryland not been pressing, I’m sure UNC would’ve walked it up and waited for the buzzer

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree.

It’s hilarious to me that all you guys think its an our team vs. their team, good guys vs. bad guys dynamic. You don’t think MD fans were yelling shit at Henson all game? You don’t think MD players were talking trash to him all game?

Give me a break. I have no problem with Henson finishing the game with style. And the kid is how old, 20? He’s in freaking college; he’s allowed to have some fun.

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course fans were yelling at him and players were talking trash, it's college basketball.

Was he really surprised to find out that fans don’t like the player who plays on the other team? Like he’s never been in that situation before. As for players talking trash – he was too. And his team won. That’s enough. No need to be a dick about it.

And for the person who’s going to bring Vasquez into the discussion: the only reason I was okay with the Vasquez three was because of the nature of what fans were yelling at him; it was racial and inappropriate. There’s a difference between “Henson you suck” (or even “____ you Henson”) and “Deport Vasquez” – which would be akin to a fan yelling “Henson, go back to Africa.” Once that sort of language comes into it, we have another issue altogether.

Age doesn’t matter. Being in college doesn’t matter. You learn not to pull shit like that when you’re 10.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I suppose that kind of play rubs us different ways

I’d love to see one of our guys do that on UNC’s court next time around. I’m guessing you wouldn’t.

That kind of shit livens up the atmosphere. It fuels an intense rivalry. It gets people going crazy. If he doesn’t go pro, hopefully our fans really give it to him next season. I hate John Henson for dunking like that, but I’ll never say that he shouldn’t have done it.

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well now I do

But I wouldn’t mind it if Len punched Henson in the face, either. But no, I wouldn’t want us to see us do that to Clemson, Virginia Tech, or even Virginia or Duke.

I just don’t understand the “I hate him for the dunk, but he still should’ve done it anyway.” It seems a little contradictory.

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate HIM for dunking because I'm a MD fan.

I kind of felt like I was getting dunked on. He was disrespecting our court, our fans, and our players. In the end, it’s all illogical. You know, I don’t mind Redick when he’s wearing a Magic jersey. But the second I see a highlight of him in Duke blue, I loathe him so, so much.

That said, I can’t hate the play. You’re allowed to dunk like that. It pissed me off, but, hey, that’s his right.

Punching someone in the face is a different story. Can’t tell if you’re using hyperbole, but if you’re not, I don’t follow. Dunking is one thing; a physical attack is a whole different story.

And I don’t want our players to be the ones to start something like this, either. And if we somehow won @ UNC this season, I wouldn’t be opposed to us not doing a celebratory dunk to kind of show them up. I’m hoping, though, that we do win and that someone like Pankey posterizes Henson at the end of the game. That’s just the way I’m wired.

by mdmadness on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Being allowed to do something

Doesn’t mean it’s right. That guy who yelled **** UNC during the National Anthem was ALLOWED to do it, right? Is there some law now that you can’t talk during the NA?

So just because that was “his right,” as you put it, doesn’t make it not classless or disrespectful.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad comparison

You’re trying to compare nonbasketball things to basketball. It’s not the same. You only think its disrespectful bc it happened to your team. I think it’s more disrespectful when a team feels so sorry for their opponent that they pull the ball out. Len had a chance to make Henson regret his decision to try to score, but he got dunked on.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, ok we get it. You're not a fan of sportsmanship

on the court. If the tables were turned and Len had dunked on Henson when the game was out of reach, I might have “liked” it, as a Terp fan, but I would have at least admitted it was f**ked up. You and most UNC fans apparently won’t.

by 1 proud terp on Feb 5, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Sportsmanship?

It wasn’t bad sportsmanship. Not at all. Len came over to make a play and Henson went up to make a play. It wasn’t even about the game at that point. It was 2 guys competing

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

See what I wrote to you above.

You’re wrong about how you think I think, saying I only think it’s disrespectful because it happened to my team. Why do you think you know how everyone else feels?

Also, why does it not occur to you that Len wasn’t expecting Henson to do what he did? I see that situation a lot, and most players just hold the ball or dribble it out. You act like this is a common occurrence. It’s not.

by terpfan92 on Feb 5, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying it happens a lot

All I’m saying is there is nothing wrong with him finishing the play. Maryland was pressing, the game wasn’t over. Please go and read the post game comments. Read what Roy Williams and Henson said about the play. It’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say here. It wasn’t bad sportsmanship. Maryland had every right to keep pressing to the final whistle, so UNC had every right to keep attacking to the final whistle

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

It’s basketball. People are taking a basketball play personally. He didn’t yell anything obscene, he didn’t give the finger to the crowd, he didn’t punch anybody. He played through the end of the game and Maryland fans are mad at him for that?

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rise above it

If Hensen wants to be an asshole, thats his prerogative. I don’t it think it should be dignified by this much of a response.

And if Maryland has some future opportunity to respond in kind, they should do the right thing and choose not to.

by lockwood11j on Feb 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he can dunk with 2 seconds in a decided game all he wants..

he still isn’t going to do shit in the NBA. And he still looks like Juwanna man.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 4, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How???

Is that being an asshole???? Maryland was pressing!! Why should he stop playing if Maryland didn’t?

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

All he had to do

was dribble out to the 3 point line. Game’s over. Instead, he wants be a spoiled douche and dunk it with the game in hand and act like he just posterized Mutombo or Olajuwon. Its called poor sportmanship

by terpsallday on Feb 5, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at it this way

Lets say he tries to dribble out, and gets fouled. He shoots 40% from the line. Or he turns it over and Maryland scores to cut it to 5. Stranger things have happened. There’s absolutely no reason a kid should be insulted for doing what he did.

by jdwall12 on Feb 5, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I went back and watched it; he caught the ball with three seconds left. No one challenged him until he moved to the basket.

Tell me, how on earth do other teams ever survive by dribbling out the clock, as happens in 99% of other games?

by Ben Broman on Feb 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the real dick in this play is Kendall Marshall

He had the ball with no one around him and saw Henson cutting to the basket and gave it to him so he could get another meaningless assist.

Henson was definitely going to the basket onc she got the ball regardless if he as challenged or not. Thing is, no one was guarding Henson. The Maryland pressure was token at best. Len was on Zeller and only came over to help out but instead got dunked on.

Maryland had stopped playing so UNC should have stopped attacking the basket. Dick move by both Marshall and Henson.

by cdmterp on Feb 5, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maryland was most definitely not pressing

What would be the point? Did Turgeon draw up an 8 point play? If Maryland were pressing, that would be unsporting on their part.

Hanson recognized Maryland’s defensive indifference and broke for the basket. Pe Howard, the wrong player, trotted halfheartedly after him. The body language of the entire Maryland team, belies any expectation of a Carolina attempt to score, let alone the emphatic dunk that followed.

The entire Carolina bench jumped up in enthusiastic, chest pounding, fist pumping celebration as the Maryland players basically walked away. The stunned expression on Howard’s face says it all. They clearly wanted to deliver a message to Maryland players and fans.

Carolina saw and jumped at an opportunity to taunt their opponent in defeat, savoring the moment in celebration. That’s poor sportsmanship, as I see it.

You see it differently, and since it is apparently important and your obvious intent regardless, I’ll let you have the last word.

by lockwood11j on Feb 5, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What I see ...

is the little engine that will. And, this year.

by King of France on Feb 4, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Guys as much as that Henson dunk was douchey

We kind of had that coming ever since the GV 3 vs Clemson.

Now we’re even with the Karma gods. However next thing like that and we can bitch about it.

by oriolekid on Feb 4, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Probably

I may have forgotten the team.

by oriolekid on Feb 4, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

NC State

Every team in the ACC other than BC taunted him relentlessly with racial slurs and of course my favorite was always the “USA” chant. Great to be in such a redneck conference.

by frencha2 on Feb 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The best was that

A lot of the teams that chanted USA to Vasquez, had players that weren’t from the U.S. on their team.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Its was NCST

and this has been discussed. They were using racial slurs to taunt him all game. NCST deserved it.

by HeroOfTheDay on Feb 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I don't think you realize all the racial taunts made towards GV during that game

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/terrapins-insider/2010/02/vasquez_ignores_jeers_allows_p.html

I had forgotten about it until I went back and read some of the articles…including one that talks about racist chants during Fla St., Clemson, and NC St games…

Henson got nothing compared to what Vasquez got…..

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If one of our guys did that ...

we’d love it … it was a bad ass, game-ending, exclamation-point swag dunk. It stings because he dropped it on us, but it is what it is. Tip your caps & move on. Turge will lead us back to a point where you can’t do us like that anymore, but we aren’t there yet.

by FlaTerp on Feb 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

BS

You and jdwall12 would love it, but most of us would think it bad form.

by rsdk on Feb 4, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

knew that watching md games was bad for

My health. But now I have tangeable proof. Sitting in er with broken hand. But you should see how the floor looks like. Haven’t felt this dumb in a while.

by SeattleTerp on Feb 4, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Haha, I just got my cast off for a broken hand last week

Had to restrain myself a couple times today or I would be back in one.

Broken hands are the worst though. You don’t realize how much you rely on your hands until you can’t use them.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Its alright

I kicked a hole in the wall when I was in highschool and tore my mcl during bball season. It was because of the 3 clemson games

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

After the NC St. football game

I was so ticked off that I went to blow the leaves off my roof after the game and the ladder slipped out from under me. Wiped out my left leg in the rungs of the ladder and still limp around today.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 4, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i know how you feel

cant say i injured myself, but after the michigan state buzzer beater in 2010, i broke 2 pieces of furniture and theres a permanent dent in the wall in the family room. During the temple football game this year i also threw a fork in the wall which left a big mark. I’ve also broke numerous remotes throughout the years during maryland and jet games

by newjetfan on Feb 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea oh the mich st.....

I just bout an iphone that morning and I had to get another after the game. I was sitting indian style rocking back and forth screaming. I basically was acting like a 2 year old…. you would have thought my mother died.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL......I was too stunned to move after that game.

I’ve actually been more pissed (kicking furniture, yelling obsenities) when we get bad calls against us, or if we are making dumb decisions than anything…..

Daggers at the end just leave me in a state of shock…..

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 4, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I did the same thing

I was standing up screaming for the last 2 minutes or so of the game. When Lucious’ shot went in, I fell back into my chair and sat there silent for a good 15 minutes. My little sister walked in after that, with me still sitting there, starring at a blank TV. She asked me who won, I screamed “Shut the F*ck up!” at her, obviously not mad at her but needing to get my anger out somehow. My mom wasn’t too pleased with me for the rest of the day.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i tell my friends that was the most dissapointing loss of my life

and trust me ive seen tons of losses. I think we couldve made a run for the championship

by newjetfan on Feb 4, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

That loss and the ’01 Final Four loss were the two toughest losses to swallow in my lifetime.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

im a little too young to really remember that one

but both were terrible. The field after Michigan State was so promising: Northern Iowa, Tennessee (they weren’t that good), Butler, and Duke (who we beat that year). Other then Duke, Michigan St was the best team we had to play. They were much better then a 5 seed, they made it to the final four, i think we wouldve too

by newjetfan on Feb 4, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you there, the two toughest losses

The loss to college of charleston in the first round back in the mid 90’s was tough too. My infant son was sleeping during that michigan st game, when lucious hit that buzzer beater he woke up screaming. I was so mad I sat without being able to speak for about 30 minutes.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 4, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea it took me like 2 weeks

to get over it, I mean it was just as bad when we lost my district championship on a last second shot. I dont think watched a full tournament game after that.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Effort

Guys played their hearts out…tough loss, but team was totally exhausted in the final 5 minutes…can’t complain. Len had a beak out game…showed spirit and emotion. He more than anyone needs to work on his conditioning in the off season. The staff should encourage him to spend the summer in the DC area and play in local leagues.
NC defended Stog as well as anyone can…almost all his shots were contested.
Faust will be hard to stop next year…the quickest guy on the team….can’t wait to see him play as a sophomore.
Once again, I have to ask why Turg did not play some zone in the second half as fatigue started to affect our game. Also, he has given up on playing Weijs in the second half…I thought Berend did what was expected of him in the first…he was decent.
We continue to improve…like our chances in Atlanta.
Question to anyone…I’ve heard several announcers describe Len as a “red shirt freshman”…I thought Pankey was the only one??

by inman74 on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

Faust's 5th foul

Possibly the worst call I’ve seen since the non-goaltending call in the Syr-WV game. The ref blew the whistle before the play even developed, he was calling a foul no matter what. That was a clean pick of Zeller and would have made the end very interesting. Turge lost it, and he should have picked up a technical foul just to prove his point b/c the game was essentially over at that point.

by IUterpfan on Feb 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The ref that called that foul

Could only see Zeller from behind. He just assumed Faust slapped the ball out of Zeller’s wrist instead of picking it cleanly.

by oriolekid on Feb 4, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

we like what i said earlier

The assumption calls have got to stop with the refs…

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If you don’t see it, don’t call it. It’s not that hard.

by aholla30 on Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sayin' the ref should be workin' at McDonalds but it would be nice to have objective record of each games questionable calls and which way they went

The refs obviously can’t get every call right but they can influence the outcome of a came when controversial calls come at key moments it really kills a teams momentum.

by terpsontop on Feb 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that game was full of terrible calls, but

From where I was sitting (granted, pretty far away) I thought Faust caught him on the elbow. When they showed the replay on the jumbotron, the camera panned to the action to late to show it. But to me it looked like he got Zeller pretty early in that sequence.

That said, the refs probably took years off of my life tonight.

by GoTerpsBaby on Feb 4, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he grabbed him with his left hand a little.

I’ve done some reffing, middle school and high school. you have to make assumption calls a lot of times, players know this. That was a close one, could have gone uncalled but not as bad as the reffing in the miami game. The problem with the game was they called it one way in the first, and another way in the second. Unfortunately the first half worked to our advantage.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 4, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

The ref with the view from the front looked just as surprised as Faust at the whistle. The ref assumed MD would foul on the inbounds. BTW, Faust has really great heands and I think the lenght of his reach really surprises a lot of opponets.

by IUterpfan on Feb 4, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

it wasnt even his call, the ref under the basket did not call anything

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

team's got heart

Lacking a full game performance but Turge has mad heart and you can see it starting to shine through.

If Stogs stays for the full 4 I think we can run for the championship and he may go down as the greatest PG in school history.

Tough loss but there’s hope.

by LowcountryTerp1 on Feb 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

UNC fans

on the ESPN message boards are complaining just as much if not more about the fouls…. yet in every pivotal moment of the game, they seemed to get the call….

by MurlandTerps on Feb 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

I can't read those boards anymore, due to trolling comments like this one

Maryland is done dude, they’ll never be relevant again. Gary was a great coach yes. But great programs outlive great coaches. Frank McGuire, Dean Smith, Bill Guthridge, Roy Williams….The legacy of Carolina will live on. Sorry dude but your program died when Gary decided he couldn’t hack it any more.

by terps3 on Feb 4, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC’s Tyler Zeller on Alex Len: “I think he has the potential to be very good. He’s a little raw right now.”

by umcp96 on Feb 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

Seems like most people on this board liked his game but I guess I was only seeing his negatives. Multiple goaltendings, missed rebounds, a few turnovers iirc. The 12 points was pretty nice though.

by hockeyman33 on Feb 4, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he played well

He competed. He was the only one fighting the UNC guys for rebounds late in the game. He scored when they got him the ball, and he played good defense on the shots he didn’t block. The missed rebounds were because UNC had 4 6’6 and over guys crashing the glass

by jdwall12 on Feb 4, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

but his presence forced a ton of changed shots which led to UNC misses and the possibility for UMD rebounds. When he was in the game the Heels had a much harder time scoring on the inside. It totally changed the complexion of the game.

"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon

by wittcap79 on Feb 4, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

^this^

Zeller had 3 easy looks early on then he forced his first shot once Len got in the game and in the first half, I think the only basket he scored on Len was on a pick and roll when was slow rotating back after hedging out on the screen. He was altering shots and drives all game long. He also took a couple of jump shots and played with more confidence and assertiveness on the offensive end than he has in a while. And he should keep getting better. It’s only his 12th game.

As Ben said, if Alex continues to play like this the Terps can make some noise.

by FHFAN on Feb 4, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There did appear to be some bad calls both ways but

the 3rd foul on Len on Henson’s missed dunk was truly horrible (even though Henson did miss both FTs). The call on Faust looked pretty bad, too and it seemed like out of position refs were making too many calls. I agree with Ben that the tenor of the officiating changed in the 2nd half.
That said, 2 bits in the box score stand out for me: Pe’Shon had no assists and Stogs was 1-9 shooting 3s. This MD team can’t beat UNC with those two holes in the stat line. I admit 12 – 18 on 2nd chance points and – 8 overall on the boards isn’t great but given the size and talent disparity, not bad and not what cost the game. Many of the Carolina putbacks in the 2nd half seemed to me to come when the MD lineup was Len + 4 guards.

As for in game I thought there were 2 big negative momentum swings for MD not attributable to officiating. The first was a missed 3 PTR by Stoglin with about 8:30 to go where he came down to the offensive end and looked like he had made up his mind he was going to take that 3 all else be damned. It was one of his few really bad shots. The other was Pe’ missing the front end of a 1 and 1 coming out of the under 8 TO and the Terps down 3.

Still, can’t fault the effort. Now it’s time to start winning some of these games.

by FHFAN on Feb 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

This Team Is Getting Better Every Game

And that’s all you can ask for in a season like this. Len and Faust took huge steps.

Side Note: Henson is a d-bag but if you don’t like what someone is doing then either stop them from doing it or drop it. In other words, beat UNC.

by GW_ on Feb 5, 2012 12:35 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Henson Sucks

Those are the plays that start brawls. As the game winds down there are less consequences for your actions. If Henson had tried that at Cincinnati Yancey Gates would’ve put a forearm in his throat. You don’t do that cause its classless and dangerous. I swear I saw Roy apologize to Turge during the post game handshake.

by MountainTerp on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

We need more scorers ...

Stoglin and Len are carrying the team.

Most of the other players like Faust, Pinkey, Mosley, etc. are NOT contributing enough to push the Terps over the line and into the “W” column.

by mi6 on Feb 5, 2012 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

State of the Terps

Like many of you, I thought the officiating was horrific and, if there was a vehicle to challenge the legitimacy and continued employ of some of these guys, it should be pursued vehemently. With that aside, let’s talk about the team itself.

First, I was never a fan of the flex offense that Gary used thoughout his career; however, some of what Turge has drawn into his offensive scheme is, well, offensive. Padget should NEVER handle the ball at the top of the key and yet, he continues to receive the ball there and either throws horrible passes or tries to hand off the ball to one of the guards, both of which often results in needless turnovers. Of course, these “handoffs” 25 feet from the basket are commonplace with many of the Terps and is a frequent cause of many TOs… it makes no sense and needs to stop.

Second, there’s too much standing around on offense. Does anyone else notice how many open shots our opponents get due solely to better spacing? The first half of the Duke game, everyone moved incredibly well, which resulted in numerous open layups. Why that hasn’t continued is beyond me. As is the reluctance to continue going inside, where Padge has enjoyed a lot of success as of late and Len continues to get better.

Third, can someone find Pankey a heartbeat? While none of the Terps want to box-out, but rather prefer to stand around and stare at the basket, Pankey seems to be the biggest offender. Even worse, he has what can best be described as “Blake Griffen Syndrome”, which drives him to try to throw down every dunk with obscene authority. The problem, of course, is that he fails to finish most of the time, costing a 3-point opportunity yesterday and a crucial two points in the Miami game.

Finally, substitutions… I don’t understand subbing two or three players within the first three minutes of the game (except for fouls of course); yet, Turge has done it several times already. Worse, though, is the fact that Weijs has been playing real well in the first half yet doesn’t see the floor in the second half. Turge just seems to forget about him. Also, Faust and Parker should never be on the floor together. Neither can handle the ball nor can they shoot, so when they share the floor, our number of turnovers increase concurrently with a painful reduction in scorers. Obviously, it doesn’t help when a 20% 3-point shooter (Mr. Howard) fires up long-range shots 5 seconds into the shot clock (is he surprised that no one is covering him? He only makes 1 of 5!), and Mosely, for a senior, makes some of the most absurd decisions on the basketball court. However, the terps have routinely shot themselves in the foot with unforced turnovers, and even the worst officiating deserves a backseat to those errors.

But, looking on the brightside, foul shooting is starting to improve!

by dmackny on Feb 5, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

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