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The Education of Nick Faust: Maryland's Emerging Freshman Growing Up Fast for the Terrapins

Remember the excitement surrounding Nick Faust's commitment back in the August of 2010, aka Faustivus? Trick question: of course you do. It's impossible not to.

Faust was (at the time) Maryland's most highly-regarded recruit since Mike Jones back in 2003. He was seen as the guy who, along with others like Justin Anderson and perhaps Shaquille Cleare, would lead Maryland back to national relevance in the waning years of Gary Williams' career. Traditional Gary guys, hard-workers who wanted to be at Maryland, only more talented than the decade or so of prospects preceding them. The keystone of the Gary Renaissance. Or, at least, that was the romanticized vision of the future we created.

As you know, there was an unexpected turn of events in that sequence: the retirement of Williams. But while Maryland lost Anderson, Mark Turgeon was able to retain Faust. And those sky-high expectations stayed sky-high.

It's part of sports culture, really, to inflate expectations. It happens in every fanbase, and perhaps particularly in Maryland's - after all, this fanbase has been through more than its fair share of turmoil. The allure of Faust being the next, say, Jeremy Lamb was too much to pass up. So fans hoped for it, and eventually expected it.

Star-divide

As you might be able to guess, It was an unfair inflation. Faust ended up ranked as the consensus 43rd best prospect in the country by RSCI, the composite rankings. That's the same spot occupied in years prior by Florida State's Okaro White and Florida's Erik Murphy. White? He averaged 6ppg in his opening season; Murphy, 3.5. Emmanuel Negedu, who was #43 the year before, played for Tennessee his first year less than Mychal Parker did last year for Maryland . Yes, players who are ranked lower than Faust succeed every year as freshmen, but players ranked the same or higher also struggle.

Recruiting rankings, while valuable, can be a crapshoot, is my point. Especially when it comes to immediate expectations.

But that didn't lower what people were expecting out of Faust. And things only got more out-of-hand after he looked like a star at the Maryland Madness scrimmage and Northwood exhibition.

Then the real season started, and things were a bit shocking. Faust, forced to play point guard, struggled in the early season. You can see it in his numbers: he averaged only 6 points per game in the first seven contests, topping eight points only once, despite averaging upwards of 30 minutes per game. But you could see it in his game, too: he seemed out of place, rushed, a little pressured. And that shot. An awkward-looking, chicken-wing of a jumper, Faust's shot - formerly regarded as lethal - couldn't fall for love nor money. The numbers are revealing there, too: 33% from the field, 58% from the free throw line, and 19% from deep.

His overall numbers improved, but only in fits and starts: only two weeks ago he was averaging only 7.1 ppg despite playing a significant role in the offense. The shooting numbers stayed low, a scary development for someone once called the sixth-best shooter in his class, whom Rivals' Jerry Meyer once compared to Vanderbilt's John Jenkins - arguably the best shooter in the country right now.

It wasn't that Faust was playing poorly, per se - for a freshman pressed into playing upwards of 25 minutes per game, the vast majority of them out of his natural position, he was perfectly respectable. And in fact much of his game was impressive, in particular his defense, where his length and athleticism make him a formidable ballhawker.

It's just that he wasn't quite living up to those lofty expectations, especially on the offensive end. And impatient Marylanders thought they found another Sean Mosley - a great competitor, top-notch glue guy, and tough leader who just never quite lived up to lofty high school reputations. Discussions ensued about how much time Faust needed to truly know whether that was his future, or whether he just needed more time to settle in.

Seems a bit silly now, doesn't it?

Faust, over the past four games, has turned on the jets. Pressed back into the starting point guard spot against Duke in the absence of Pe'Shon Howard, Faust had a 15-point, 8-rebound game, and was easily Maryland's best player on the floor. Three games later, he's yet to slow down.

Over the last four contests, Faust has averaged an all-around great 13 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals. But, just as before, more important than the numbers is how he got them. He's racking up sensational dunks and finding himself on SportsCenter with regularity, while being much more efficient with his shot: 41% from the floor, but more importantly 75% from the stripe, and 33% from three - not fantastic numbers, but significantly higher than his earlier marks.

But just as impressive as all that, in fact perhaps even more so, is what Faust is doing elsewhere, in particular in rebounding and defense. Athletic, long, smart, and hard-working, Faust has always been impressive in those areas. But he's improved in the last several games. We didn't see a better example of this than the Miami game yesterday, when the 6-6 and reed-thin Faust led Maryland in rebounding with eight boards and picked Durand Scott's pocket for the game-clinching steal in the final minute.

Mark Turgeon's praise was predictably effusive, saying he could check any guard in the country. I'm not entirely sure he's wrong about it. But the best part of it all: Faust's recent performances has elevated him from being simply a defensive stopper to being a weapon for Maryland in all aspects of the game, including offense.

So, how's he done it? True, you could be simple and say he seems to have adjusted to this level - it wouldn't be wrong. He's never lacked for swagger, but at times earlier in the year he did seem to be a little hollow, a little unsure. He was certainly jumpy. The more time he's spent against high-major competition, the more sure of himself he seems. You see this in his drives to the lane, where he's finishing with authority that he lacked earlier in the season. And then those good plays lead to more good plays, in particular three-pointers, where he seems to be almost entirely reliant on confidence and feel to get shots to fall.

But he's being smarter, too. One of the knocks on Faust back in high school was that he didn't slash enough, didn't go off the bounce as much as he should've. Looking at how effective he is off the dribble and how well that facet of the game fits his skill set, it's surprising to hear. But Maryland fans saw it firsthand through Faust's first several games in College Park. Mark Turgeon made it a point of emphasis for Faust to look to penetrate more, and Faust has listened. The end result: easier opportunities at the rim, where Faust's length, athleticism, toughness, and creativity make him almost impossibly difficult to stop at times.

Now that Faust has realized he's at his best slashing to the rim, the occasionally ill-advised jumper hurts much less - and even sometimes goes in. The Virginia game is a great example, where Faust made two huge three-pointers in the first half, neither one objectively "good shots" to attempt. Both went, though, because Faust was in a rhythm, comfortable, and confident. And now that we know he knows to take the ball to the rack, I'm okay with him letting it fly every once in awhile if he's feeling it.

There's so much to talk about with Faust that it can be easy to forget that he's actually as sensational a passer as Maryland has had in years. He may not be particularly consistent or effective as a point guard, but when he sees an open man on a slash or a break, he takes the Pistol Pete method of getting the ball to him: we've been treated to no-look dimes, behind-the-back dishes, behind-the-head, and spin passes, among others. His floor vision, in truth, is underrated, and it'll make him that much more difficult to contain going forward. Teams can, say, rotate over to help out on defense against him, but odds are that he'll recognize it and get the ball to the open man. James Padgett's game-winning and-one, remember, was actually set up initially by a pinpoint pass from Faust to Ashton Pankey.

In fact, he's played so well that it might be tempting to wonder if he might just be better off at point guard, or at least as the team's #2 option there. I have to recognize that he probably appreciates the position at the moment, largely because it's an easy way for him to get involved. One of his problems was asserting himself off the dribble, but it can be tough to assert yourself if you don't touch the ball for three possessions at a time. In that sense, having the ball in his hands every time down the court is probably helping him stay more focused and is likely part of the reason for his recent uptick in play. When he does switch back to the wing, he'll have to adjust.

But that's still his better and more natural position. And it's a much better spot for Maryland. As many areas as Faust has succeeded in lately, he's struggled immensely with turnovers, averaging upwards of four a game. The vast majority of them can be attributed to his handle, which is too loose to be an everyday point guard in the ACC. He's fine slashing to the rim - like many slashers he probably finds the ball much easier to handle while attacking the basket - but when standing around on the perimeter, he lets the ball get too far away from his body, opening himself up to easy steals. He can and likely will improve upon that, but I don't know if it'll ever be good enough for me - or Mark Turgeon, for that matter - to be comfortable with him running the point over a true lead guard.

Which isn't to be critical. Faust isn't supposed to be a point guard. He's a pure swingman with a scorer's mentality. The wing is where he belongs, especially if Maryland can locate a point guard to get him and Terrell Stoglin the ball with regularity. The thought of him back where he belongs, roaming the perimeter off the ball alongside Stoglin while Pe'Shon Howard or another true point runs the offense, is more than a little tantalizing.

A four-game stretch is too early to say Faust is out of the woods. Just as he will have more ups, he will have more downs. We saw him come and go a bit in the Miami game, where he didn't hit a field goal until several minutes into the second half. To make matters worse, as teams realize the threat he poses, they'll do more to counteract it, not to mention the struggles he may initially encounter when he transitions back to the wing.

Most of all, he's a young player, and young players are inconsistent. He will have slumps in the future. So be patient. If he's the real deal, as I believe him to be, we'll know soon enough.

But Maryland's future, dubious even just months ago, now looks as cheery as it possibly could for a team sitting at 6-7 in the ACC. And Faust, improving every week, is at the forefront.

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Faust will be fine. Though driven by necessity, Turgeon did Nick no favors by playing him out of position for much of the season.

by Bowie-Bruce on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

This couldn’t be more wrong. Take the long-view for a minute. To make it in the NBA, Faust will have to have a better handle than he came in with. He had the ball in his hands, in a game setting, about 10 times more frequently than anyone thought he would coming into the season. You can see the improvement in his handle. It simply would not have developed at that rate if he wasn’t getting major burn at the point. When he gets drafted, I guarantee that you see interviews where he credits his time at the point for his fast development in college.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Playing him at the point guard probably did wonders for him. He had to learn the offense much more quickly, and it forced him to improve his handle. He has gained confidence in that regard, and knows where he should be at all times when he isn’t playing the point. Playing at the point probably wasn’t his first choice, but it seems to have worked out for the best.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 22, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

… they are 6-7 in the ACC right now, not 6-8. And I’m really hoping they don’t get to 6-8. A win this Saturday in Atlanta, a home win to close out the season against UVA, and I could live with not beating UNC in Chapel Hill next week. But I really do not want to lose to GT. I don’t think too many of us predicted 8-8 in the conference this year.

by CSB Jack on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Very Good Piece

Are the Terps 6-8 or 6-7 though?

by mdterps150 on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Terrific write-up, as usual.

Once Faust gets his stray elbow under control and tames his erratic jumper, he’s going to be a hell of a player. Could be triple threat on offense (at the hoop, midrange, long-range) as well as on defense (guarding 1s, 2s, and 3s).

by JuanBlaze on Feb 22, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

I want to beat UNC badly. Want to see Len dunk it after the game is over and give Henson the middle finger

On a related note Faust is going to be a monster if he gets that jumper to fall. Hes already impressive driving

by Maryland1206 on Feb 22, 2012 5:36 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Len's middle finger and...

Turge giving roy the ol’ suck it thrust

I would, but I seemed to have misplaced my pants...

by NattyBoAndOldBay on Feb 22, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, 6-7 not 6-8

My bad. Thanks for the note, just fixed it up.

by Ben Broman on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Faust may be our 2nd scoring option

For now Faust is a clear 2nd scoring option. I think once teams realize this they are going to do something to cut off his slashing ability. It really is reassuring to see someone else besides Stogs being a threat offensively. Go Terps!!

by proudterp on Feb 22, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dancing

isnt out of reach. We have 3 regular season games left. If we win atleast 2 of them we get to 18 wins and 8-8 in ACC play. That would require us to win the first round of the ACC tourney for sure. If we get to 19 wins we are right on the bubble assuming we play the next ACC game tight. If we get to 20… we are in.

Not sure what happened in the UVA game, but you can bet it wont happen again. I think we beat GA Tech and UVA and end up in the 6 seed. As long as we dont get matched up with UNC in the second game of the tourney I like our chances.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 22, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Was having this discussion early

I think 8-8 in the conference with 2 tourney wins puts us solidly on the bubble, but does not guarantee a berth.

by NAmstrong on Feb 22, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

I had predicted 7-9 for the season, but I also said 8-8 plus a good Tourney showing puts us on the bubble. I don’t think it guarantees us anything though. I think 8-8 plus 2 gets us a 50-50 shot at the Big Dance. They may just give it to us because we have done so well under adversity.

Fear the Turgle!

by NY Terp on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

6 seed?

That’s a horrible prediction. If we got two tourney wins and went 8-8, I think somewhere between 8 and 10 seed would be in order.

No offense meant but 6 seed is egregiously optimistic.

by db0255 on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

In order to get the 6 seed, this needs to happen

Right now, Maryland is one game back of Miami and NCST, who are tied for fifth place at 7-6.

Let’s say MD, NCST and Miami all finish 8-8.

NCST finishes with @Clemson, Miami and @VT (worst case they go 1-2 IMO).
Miami finishes with FSU, @NCST and @BC (worst case 1-2 IMO).

So, we’re all tied at 8-8, the first tie breaker is winning pct. vs. other two schools.

MD=1-2…….Miami=1-3 (loses to NCST again)……NCST=3-0.

NCST gets the 5 seed, we get the 6 seed and Miami gets the 7 seed.

by aholla30 on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally

My boy Faust gets some love! Like Ben says, I think we had overly ambitious expectations for the freshmen leading up to the season. He has certainly hit his stride over these last 4 games. If he was playing like this earlier in the season what would our record look like?

I was at the game last night and besides shaking Johnny Rhodes hand, that steal at the end of the game was the highlight!!! #TEAMFAUST

*All Terp Everything*

by asianterp on Feb 22, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty sure the Twins are coming to the UVA game

this info needs to be spread around campus. Whoever did the Diggs wanted posters needs to put their talents to work again. Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison chants need to reign.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 22, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

If they really are coming to the UVA game

We need to let fans know pronto. The chants played a big role in diggs committing so we need to do the same for the harrisons. Maybe one side says “HARRISON” and the other side says “TWINS”.

by Verycooldude9 on Feb 22, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohh I like that chant. I like the Andrew / Aaron one as well

I tweeted at Ben, Dave, & Pete and asked them to make this front page if they are infact coming. I read it in one or two of the posts at some point today but it needs to go viral if its really the case. Go all out.

Its already landed one 5 star. Diggs said himself the UNC game sealed the deal with how he was treated. Now its time for 2 5 star bball players.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 22, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, if they are in fact coming it is front page material

Our fans can get up for the big recruits, so I hope it is made known the Harrisons are coming.

Side note: Are they actually coming up? I saw it in a few threads too, but its gotta be unofficial. That makes it even better if they’re coming up just to watch a MD game because they have to pay there way here. Unless bball rules are different from basketball and juniors can take official visits.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Heard

the twins and shaq were coming.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 23, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Twins...

What about a pairing two championship trophyies together and calling them twins with the Harrison’s face on them and 201X written along with 2002

by terpinaustin on Feb 22, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How about

“Program” ….. “Changers” – wasn’t be chanted at UK!

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 23, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Twins at UVA game

This is an unbelievable turn of events if true..this building will be ALIVE on Sunday…I think we win that game and they will see just how good Comcast can be.

by terpskin on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

2 things he needs:

A consistent jump shot, and the ability to hit layups in traffic. Too often he draws fouls and cant get the ball anywhere near the rim for an AND1 or else changes his shot too much to where he misses the layup. Both of these are things he can develop and if he does the sky is the limit.

by Sephtical on Feb 22, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Faust

Love how he impacts the game without scoring (which will come) and he’s just a stats stuffer over the last 2 weeks.

If you watched Nick at the beginning of the year compared to right now, he’s a completely different player and he’s been forced to assume a role (PG) where he had no previous experience—which will benefit him as a player down the road. At the beginning of the season, he struggled to get the ball upcourt against pressure from Mid-level D-1 schools and had turnovers galore. Now, he is basically daring ACC caliber PG’s to try and take the ball from him and when they do, he’s aggressive with the ball.

Now that he has regained his swagger, his athleticism has really impacted games. Once he gets a handle on his jump shot (which lets be honest, needs a lot of work), he will be a All ACC type of player by the time he is a JR. All the tools are there and I love the way he plays.

by Shellshocked on Feb 22, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Off topic, but Dave Telep will release an article on Damonte Dodd tomorrow
@DaveTelep Spent some time learning about MD commit Damonte Dodd. Interesting story, will blog it up tomorrow. Lows then mids then MD and Hoyas chased

by aholla30 on Feb 22, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

It'll be paywalled but if I see any solid info I'll go ahead and summarize

Can’t stand that stuff like a blog story from Telep is paywalled, especially if the recruit is already committed somewhere. If it were actual recruiting news I’d probably think twice before posting it though

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I want Nick at PG

I think he’s much better on the ball and I like having him D up the opponent’s PG. I worry that at the 3 spot he’s too small and going against bigger guys on the offensive end.

he led our team in rebounds last night! i like knowing that each game our PG is quicker and taller than your PG. a PG who can drive and finish with dunks!

Let Parker/Layman develop at the 3 spot, Let Pe’ (if he’s back) be a steady back up, and Nick will only get better handling the ball and shooting. Ben’s write-up already illustrated the difference in Faust as PG 2.0 compared to the beginning of the season.

(maybe his perfect spot is the 2 but then what do you do with Stoglin?)

by Ttown Funkster on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff Ben

Don’t think you will see him at point after this year but this is great experience. His handle is already better than it was earlier in the season. He was also playing too high on defense but now he is in much better position.

Kid won’t rattle either.

by Terpentine on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

Nice post Ben

I really like this guy. Its not just his physical talents. He has a great attitude. He isn’t intimidated. He isn’t afraid to make mistakes. I don’t know how good he can be. Nothing would really surprise me. For now I’m just looking forward to watching him develop his game as the team improves. I think about Nick, Terrell, the guys we have, the guys we are getting, and our coaching staff and I am excited about the future of Maryland basketball.

by wmterp on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

One blessing in disguise

One blessing in disguise to come out of this rebuilding-of-sorts season could be just how much playing time Faust received. Because we had such little depth, Faust was forced into the action early and often. He has had to grow up quicker than most freshmen. By the time the season ends he’ll have started probably at least 20 games and will have averaged over 25 minutes a game. That kind of experience should do wonders for him going into his sophomore year…it could be a big breakout season for him. And I think when all is said and done and his career at Maryland is over, we’re all going to look back and credit his development freshman year as being key, and how important it was that he got so much experience early on, whether he was ready or not.

BTW, It is scary how much potential this kid has. I don’t mean to do more over-hyping, but I think everyone understands what I mean.

Any given day.

by terpfan92 on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

scout ratings

it really shows you how far off the scouts can be sometimes. The first time I saw Nick play at UMD I was shocked at how good his handle was for a 6’6" guy. He gets low to the ground and is just extremely solid with the ball, with his head up at all times looking to make a great pass. One of his ‘weaknesses’ on most scouting sites was his ball handling. I was thinking immediately…. they got that wrong. I just cant figure how these scouts can see a top 50 player play so many times and get it completely wrong. I saw him play once and thought it was pretty obvious.. and im no scout. Strength = ball handling

by rquidas on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Laughing my face off........

" The first time I saw Nick play at UMD I was shocked at how good his handle was for a 6’6" guy. He gets low to the ground and is just extremely solid with the ball, with his head up at all times looking to make a great pass."

Is this a joke?? have you not watched any MD basketball this year? I love Faust, but he’s so far from having a good handle and he definitely dribbles the ball to far from his body and is no where near low to the ground while he’s doing it. Sorry man, you lose all credibility with that comment. Faust is a shooting guard or wing who is still learning to find his shot in the college game, who has been forced to play out of position due to injury…….that and only that is Nick Faust at this point……but hey, he’s improving so hell yea go Nick Faust…..but PG, this kid is not….

by rl09978 on Feb 23, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a good example of why they're scouts, actually

Because his handling is the weakest part of his game. He does the fundamentals you just described – get low to the ground, head up – but he’s not comfortable with the ball and let’s it get really far away from his body. He almost never crosses over and rarely uses his body to shield the ball from defenders. That’s why he has so many turnovers, he can’t handle under pressure.

by Ben Broman on Feb 23, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I love Faust.....but.....

I wish we had a true PG and we could watch him play his more natural position (wing or SG). This reminds me of DJ Strawberry all over again when he was forced to play PG right after Gilchrist left. He was a HORRIBLE PG, and MD had one of it’s worst years ever, while arguably having one of it’s most TALENTED teams ever. Next year he moves to the wing, and puts up over 15 ppg and becomes the player we expected him to be. An awesome PG is soooo important to a team, and it really shows when your team doesn’t have one (like our current Terp Team).

Anyone remember that team when DJ was a Junior?? We had two Mcdonalds all-americans…..Mike Jones and Travis Garrison. The #6 PF coming out of HS (Ibekwe), and Gatorade state player of the year in Maine (Medley). Oh yea, and DJ and a guy named Jamar Smith….and a very young but talented James Gist. That team was stacked with talent…..but with no PG and no one running the show and making plays, all that talent went to waste.

by rl09978 on Feb 23, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't quit your day job

Sorry, had to! Faust definitely does not have a terrific handle, but its getting a lot better. I am assuming you did not watch any MD games toward the earlier part of their schedule.

by Shellshocked on Feb 23, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha

I surely won’t quit my day job. To clarify-faust is clearly no point guard. What I was trying to say is that he’s doing a fine job of handling the ball for a 6’6" guard with supposedly no handle. There’s a reason Turgeon has him running point over stoglin and Mosley. And I realize it’s not because he has a better handle, but rather his handle isn’t detriment enough for him not to play point. Was that a little better?

by rquidas on Feb 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If Layman comes in playing well,

don’t be surprised to see Faust as the back-up (and perhaps starting) PG next season. Allen would be third on the depth chart at the 1, and third at the 2 behind Stogs and Faust…

by curterp on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

There is a lot of debate about that

I’m of the same thought that if we don’t land a true PG from JUCO that Faust ends up being the main backup PG, barring Allen completely shocking us with some mad PG skills. A lot of people still want Cassell Jr and are putting him as the backup Point, but I don’t know if that happens or not. It is probably more likely now that we landed Dodd that Casell Jr would be the 5th player, but I’m still hoping for Mitchell.

I think it would look like this if no more guards come in:

1 – Howard, Faust, Allen
2 – Stoglin, Faust, Allen
3 – Faust, Layman, Parker

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you will see a lot of

Faust, Stoglin, Parker, Layman, & Padge. We really arent giving up a lot of size if you think about it. 6’6, 6’1, 6’6, 6’8, 6’8…….that lineup screams athleticism.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 23, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

you think they'll go with that?

That’d be playing Layman at the 4, which I thought we all agreed he definitely wasn’t suited for (I think he’s closer to a 2 than 4..).

Of course, if that is our version of “going small” that is just disgusting.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we'll play Layman at the 4 much at all

We can do it if we absolutely need to but he’s a pure 3. It’s just as likely that we put him at SG as PF, and I don’t think we put him at SG much either.

by Ben Broman on Feb 23, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I wasn't saying he would play at 2

I was just saying if I were to play him in a spot other than the 3, I’d be more likely to put him at SG rather than PF.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hope Len is a starter next year.

Laman is a 3. He is a string bean and undersized but stronger 4’s will push him around underneath. The starting line up for me at the start of the season would be

Pe’shon
Stoglin
Faust
Padget
Len

On the bench you have Shaq, Layman, Parker, Allen, and Pankey. That is a solid ten man rotation that can be shortened if need be depending on match-ups and how is playing well/poorly. It all hinges on Len we need him to improve and get stronger.

by ccrun1800 on Feb 23, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Assuming those five are here next year (I think they are all likely to be), then I have a feeling that will be the starting five day one in practice and probably for the first few games, though things can certainly change as the season progresses.

by nmprisons on Feb 23, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Turge coaches 'em up

So glad KA had sense enough to listen to Gary and bring in Turgeon. It makes everything so much more interesting and ultimately satisfying when we have the abiding sense that regardless of bumps in the road things are being well managed and are unquestionably heading QUICKLY in the right direction. I think there is definitely something to what Turge was shown saying at one point in that earlier promotional video of Turge, the staff and players. Something to the effect of “we move very, very fast in practice and cover a lot” of different things. No doubt.

by livedincole on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

I could definitely see...

… Faust as a true point guard moving forward. He will only get better with his handle and as Ben says, his passing is already nearly there. Kind of reminds me of Vasquez — he was not a true PG coming out of high school either, but matured into the position and is now, obviously, an NBA point.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Faust/Stoglin/Layman/Padgett/Cleare as the starters by the middle of next year. Plus Len and Parker who provide unique matchups. With the exception of Stoglin, we could really have some height mismatches play our way for once. Who would have thought….

by mmford10 on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

i can see your point with faust at point

but i would be shocked to see layman starting next year over say parker unless layman comes in and shocks us all

by formerlyknownasjinsookim on Feb 23, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think if Faust holds the PG spot over Pe' then...

we’ll see Parker starting at the 3 with Layman getting major minutes if his shot is good. Parker is progressing fairly well this year, so an off-season and full fall practice will probably solidify him as the starter if Faust starts at the 1. I don’t think Faust is the answer at the 1 though unless he really improves his ball handling, but he is a serviceable backup

by djcarv2005 on Feb 23, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll kill myself....

if Faust is our starting PG next year.

by rl09978 on Feb 23, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want him to be

I was just stating that if he can improve his ball handling he is a serviceable backup for the season until 2013 gets here. I certainly don’t hope he is the starter

by djcarv2005 on Feb 24, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his shot not falling is kind of a blessing in disguise....

I think it has forced him to relaize that the only way to score right now is to attack the hoop and be more aggressive. Earlier in the season he would jack up a bunch of 3’s…a few games I think he must’ve taken at least 5 without making any or only a few. If he had made some of these I think he would’ve stayed more on the perimter and not be as aggressive as he could be or taken on the aggressive offensive mentality that he now has….

When his shot starts falling he will be lethal…..

I think this is an interesting contrast to Stoglin, who did well in winning, but a few games where we have lost he was settling for a lot of 3’s when I think he could’v ebeen more aggressive taking the ball to the hoop especially when he isn’t shooting well.

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 23, 2012 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

I'm loving Faust.....

BUT, I’m still not 100% buying in just yet. If he finishes out the year playing the way he’s been playing, then YEA, I’m all in for next year, and will think Faust will come in next year and average a good 12-13 ppg (which were going to desperately need from him)…….but as of now, he’s a PURE shooting guard, is he not? his shot just doesn’t fall as consistent as I would like. Again, I hope he keeps this up and proves me wrong…..but I think I need a little more consistency from him first before I can start saying things like, “he’s going to be our next ACC first teamer.”

PS——this kid IS NOT a PG whatsoever.

by rl09978 on Feb 23, 2012 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

What faust needs

Is for Stoglin to stop shooting so much. TS shooting 20-25 times a game may be fine when taking a team that should end up with 12 wins to a team that ends up with 16-18. But real teams need options and stoglins propensity to shoot at will not only disconnects the rest of the team from getting in the flow but hurts the long-term development of our younger players (like Faust). Bottom line is that this is the only year I’d be ok with TS shooting so much and I can’t say I’m even ok with it this year…especially from someone who plays below average defense. Enjoy stoglins antics as he adds a few wins to our record in a down year but the long term success of the team will actually benefit from him shooting less.

by Fushezzi on Feb 23, 2012 8:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

faust getting some love

aside from the ridiculous final seconds steal in crunch time, faust has been doing so many little things to get or keep this team in games. while i do love him at the point, and he could flourish there longterm, he is definitely an open court runner.
once turgeon installs a press and faust can utilize his speed and athleticism more there’s going to be an espn highlight play every week.

by space_ on Feb 23, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

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