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Dodd Committment Most Likely Foreshaddows Attrition

Let me say that I'm intrigued by Dodd---he's a 6'9" guy with a nice wing span and good girth. Who knows if he can hack it at the ACC level---the kid has never really played against this kind of talent. But you have to like his upside.

However, I think the commitment signals that attrition is on the way.


Dodd seems to be, at best, a stretch for a high major program that has only gotten interest from one other high major school (GTown to be sure---but there's no indication they offered). From the start Turge has been adament that we aren't just going to bring in bodies, that we wanted to get the kind of kids that are going to be able to come in and make a difference. I just do not see Dodd as that. He seems at best, a kid who will need a few years to get acclimated to the game before he's ready to meaningfully contribute.

So what's going on.

Possibility 1: Well it may be that Turge isn't happy with having Len, Padge, Pankey and Shaq man the inside next year and wanted another option for practice and for when we have foul trouble/injury problems.

I think that's pretty unlikely.

Possibility 2: Turge is just really high on Dodd (who is a MD native) and wanted to make sure he got him in the fold before he blows up elsewhere.

I think this is unlikely. I don't think he's the kind of kid who's going to "blow up." I think he's the kind of kid who could, by his senior year be a big contributor but I don't think, based on what I've read and seen on him that he's that kind of "blow up" talent.

This leads me to Possibiliity 3:

One of either Len, Panky or Padge is not coming back and turge wants to make sure he has 4 warm bodies to rotate inside if he wants to.

I'll let you guys speculate as to whom that may be---but I suspect that padge is definately coming back so it would be either AL or AP.


NOTE: this isn't coming from "out of the blue"---one of the moderators at a premium site has been insisting all week that "change is coming" and when asked whether that meant attrition---he simply repeated "change is coming"

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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Pankey transfer. Wouldn’t be upset to see him transfer either.

by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 22, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully not

Never unreasonable to have 5 guys who can play down low, especially if they are trying to move Len further off the basket and play the 4 full time. I think with how you our front court is and how they’ve handled this season that we could be nasty in a coupe years

by t.shug on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

What do you mean by “Can play Down low”? There isn’t one guy that can play down low. Padgett is the closest to that.. And we all know Padgett has progressed tremendously since coming aboard and we all admire his work ethic… but by no means is he something you game plan for. We need players down low, not bodies.. right now bodies is all we have.

by HotplateWilliams on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thought this since Duke game

I think Pankey may be gone. Following Duke game/Twittergate, Pankey had some quotes posted on Instagram account that led me to believe he wasnt real happy with Turgeon calling out players, etc. Feel like his demeanor has changed quite alot since start of season when he is out on the court as well.

by VATERP82 on Feb 22, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

I have been saying, since Day 1, that there will be attrition at the end of this year. There will be. There always is when a new coach takes over.

That said, the Dodd commitment is no more a sign of attrition than the Seth Allen commitment. You have 13 scholarships. You fill them. Those manning scholarships 9-13 are unlikely to play. You know that going in. Even if we get Mitchell (we don’t lead, but it wouldn’t be a huge surprise), that gives us Len, Padge, Shaq, Mitchell, Pankey for next year (again, assuming no attrition), there is simply nothing wrong with adding another big. Imagine if one of them gets hurt and then you have a game with foul trouble?

You still have room for 7 wings/guards. That is also plenty.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

right but why fill a scholarship with a kid who isn't on the high major scene

if you anticipate having a full slate inside next year…

why not save the scholarship and pick up a stud in 2013 inside to replace padge and (maybe len) with someone who you know can come right in and play day 1.

seems like this is a move to make sure we don’t get stuck in a situation next year where we have a 3 man rotation inside to me.

by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the answer is that Turge and SS both think that he should be on the high major scene. It isn’t like they were just looking for a warm body. They think this kid can contribute. They have seen him play far more than I have, so I’ll take their word for it.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s Pankey… He’s the odd man out in all of this.. His been playing just to see what he can do for Turge in the future. I’ll be honest, I don’t see anything that you can’t grab any guy walking to class at MD to do what he does. He’s dumb, he hustles in spurts, for his size he should be getting more boards than what he’s getting and his offensive game is atrocious.

So If I can see it, and mostly everyone here can see it.. then Pankey will be the odd man out.

by HotplateWilliams on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

disagree...

i think pankey may be worried about being recruited over….

and i think len may be a fish out of water

that’s PURE speculation however. I hope (sincerely) that niether transfers as I see upside in both players

by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

The guy comes in and grabs like 6 rebounds a game despite playing 20 minutes (to give you a better picture, he’s averaging roughly 8 rebounds per 32 minutes). He’s also a freshman. Yeah his offense needs some work, but those rebounding numbers are better than anyone else on the team.

by Terps12 on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll be honest, I don’t see anything that you can’t grab any guy walking to class at MD to do what he does.

LOL I guess you haven’t watched some of the students they use at those halftime shooting games.

Any given day.

by terpfan92 on Feb 22, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

There very well might be attrition

But this is a hardly a signal of it. Dodd is most likely going to redshirt, so he’s essentially a 2013 recruit, meaning he’ll have no effect on next year if there is attrition. Also, there are big men out there who are highly regarded in the 2012 class who are strongly considering MD (see: Mitchell).

Why would he offer a supposedly inferior recruit who, according to you, had no other high-major offers (I would argue that neither you nor I know if G-town offered), when Mitchell, a top 100 recruit who could potentially contribute day 1, is still on the board? If Turgeon was signing recruits to fill holes due to attrition, wouldn’t he be fighting tooth and nail to get Mitchell? I think Turge just liked the kid’s game and offered him.

by Womp Womp on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

because I don' think Mitchell is really on the board.

haven’t thought so since forever based on premium info—which may or may not be right.

by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He is certainly on the board. Still is. Question is whether we can get him out of the South, not whether the staff wants him.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

plus the redshirt would still eat up a scholarship---so i'm not sure how that supports your meme

maybe it’s not a sign of imminent attrition but a hedge against future attrition…i just don’t see him as someone that fits in with the other kids we brought in—-seems like a body with upside kind of recruit.

It’s certainly strange news that is fun to speculate about.

by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont think anyone is going anywhere

A few months ago I thought Pankey would transfer but im not so sure anymore. He definately gets his minutes. Turge is finally done with the Weiss starting experiment. Padge and Pankey are the best two forward we have. Len will be better than Pankey very soon but I still see Pankey as the first forward off the bench next year.

I dont think this means anything. Im currently lost in the scholarship chart though. Im trying to figure out how many we have left for this year and next year.

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

If Ben's chart is to be trusted

2 left for 2012, and 3 for 2013. Assuming no attrition, of course.

by Womp Womp on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Len is better than Pankey now

I think his soft hands drive turge bananas, but he is great defender in the paint. He gets in trouble when forced to hedge screens out top, but pankey is a terrible defender in the paint.

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

for lens sake, i hope he doesnt leave

He is super talented, but waaayyy too raw. He needs to develop into more of a 4 (which fits his skills better) and then think about leaving.

by fballplyr92 on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

scholarships

There are 2 left for 2012, 3 for 2013 at the moment. If we take Mitchell, that leaves one more for 2012 and 2 for 2013.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

pankey & the walk-ons... i may have jumped to the attrition theory too quickly.

attrition has been in my head but pankey shouldn’t even enter this equation. for all of faust’s shine and recent appreciation, there’s also pankey slams in traffic and big rebound games. equally impressive in their own right for the freshman. he’s cracked double figure points 4 times before going away from him offensively and 8 boards or more 8 times this season. he doesn’t play consistent defense, but as far as all the bigs go he plays the best defense aside from Len when he’s focused. offensively he’s been completely ignored all season. he’s got great range for a big man. he chipped in big last night and many other nights. but the only maryland big who gets the ball in the post is padgett. turgeon will need to work on that this summer.

the current terps roster has 5 walk-ons: john auslander, spencer barks, john thomas, jon dullard, arnold richmond. presumably only 1 is a scholarship player: auslander. this pretty much means that dodd and lipinski can replace walk-ons without damaging the potential set rotation. dodd AND lipinski can either replace or redshirt and be great bodies in practice until they make rotation.

by space_ on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

auslander won’t have a scholarship next year.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

or at least he is unlikely to.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

so there may go one spot.

danger averted.
twins are still a go.
i miss auslander in the rotation.
but an extra spot in the lineup to get rysheed jordan is fine with me.

by space_ on Feb 22, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pankey seems like the odd man out next year

I think we all agree that the Len upside with a regular offseason strength and conditioning program will do wonders. Padge is really starting to come into his own and has played his best season under Turge, so you would assume he is content. Shaq is going to get major minutes, I don’t think anyone will argue that. So Pankey is the last one standing and he is low man on the totem based on size and skill.

That being said, you get 13 players for 5 positions. These guys make up two of them, so having 5 big bodies on your team is perfect.

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly

I dont see why everyone is going nuts over this. We have so many open scholarships its not funny. If you have been watching the games lately is scary to see how shallow we are on the depth charts. We need bodies.

Pretty sure we have plenty of openings and if he does pan out talent wise then all the greater. I see him as a valuable practice player that is going to buy into Turgeons system and do what it takes to be on the team. Great get.

by El Goodd Terps13 on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It has to do with 2013 schollys

Everyone is freaking out because 2013 class has rediculous talent and we are limiting our ability to utilize it with only 2-3 left.

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

ATTRITION. Sorry to shout, but come on. ATTRITION. You think Turge doesn’t know the scholarship chart and the potential recruits in 2013? ATTRITION.

by nmprisons on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Open scholarships

Given the 3 signed recruits and the recent committment, we don’t have as many open as you think. If we sign Mitchell or Cassell Jr, that puts us at only 2 scholarships to offer next year assuming no attrition. So, it is getting skinny for the 2013 class now. We have many “current openings” but you don’t want to take 5-6 player classes and have all of them graduate at once.

Note: I don’t mind the Dodd signing at all, he is definitely the “#13” scholarship player at this point who is the practice competition. He could explode like JW, but the odds of that happening are probably 70/30 that it doesn’t. However, having a 6’9", 240lb forward to come off the bench as opposed to 6’9" barely 200lb Weijs is a better option IMO.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

This is not a sign of anything

Every one has known that we were late to the 2012 recruiting game with Gary waiting so late to call it quit ( still love him ). Turgeon has been quoted numerous times that they were still looking to fill out the ‘12 class but just wouldn’t take anyone. The staff sees him as having a role on the team so unless you don’t trust Turgeon then we should be satisfied with his choice. He is also a local boy and wanted to come to Maryland.

Honestly that is all I need to hear. This guy is someone the staff thinks will blossom into an asset. Not everyone can start and a successful team consist of many different parts. One of Gary’s few short comings was that we were always a big man short. So whenever we went down to the Carolina schools all the refs had to do was get our 2 big men in foul trouble and the flex would fall apart after that. When we won the natty we had big men everywhere so that weakness was nullified. You can never have to much height.

by ccrun1800 on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

If attrition is eminent,

that leaves mitchell on the board if you ask me. -1 attrition +1 mitchell.

5 big men and 6 gaurds

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Question?

Everyone keeps saying he will redshirt. Even if he redshirts, he occupies a scholarship right?

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

He occupies the scholarship, but retains a year of eligibility so he will graduate as if he was a part of the 2013 class.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestlly hope he can play right away

I really want to make the tourney next year and our bigs will be the limiting factor.

by ccrun1800 on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

it's like the little Angle vs Devil on your shoulder ....

On the Devil side, Pankey would be the “expendable” one; The lapses in attention and hustle on the court are 100% absolutely not acceptable at this level; if u aint happy, get on out of here; no time for whiners and negative vibes;

On the Angle side; he’s hardly played in 2 years; he has some base skills and athleticism, new coach, lots of transition to deal with …. actually made a nice 8-10 footer on a good move last night….

Bottom line, Turge knows best. At a minimum, this big kid can bang the crap out of Len and the rest of our guys t ogive them some much needed practice/exposure.

As for Pankey, I think the ball is in his court. He seems like a good kid, and we always need o remember what we were like as adolescent young men and how we’d look if out lives were under the scrutiny these guys are.

GO TERPS!

(ps: STUDENTS: WTF; last night was weak; no excuses or justifications, just plain weak. The team deserves better. Period)

by NickTerp85 on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

please tell me you know how to spell angel

and you had TWO typos – lol

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

the phones and spell check are the doom of us all

I knew that – just playin’ round – comeback victories do that for us. I was so proud of the fight in the guys last night. Turge was talking like a proud parent that saw their baby starting to walk and become a toddler – ha ha ha

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

btw

angel-devil on shoulder – never better then in Animal House – best ever…

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

students last night

I was disappointed with Miami Sucks chants with under 5 to go while we were losing.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ridiculous Fanpost...

If you have not seen him play and/or do not have direct information from scouts relative to his potential – then leave it alone. Everyone likes to think they know more than seasoned talent evaluators (Turge and his coaches). Good coaches/teachers can make players. Stop with all the idiotic speculation.

by WherestheBison on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I'm not seeing where i claim to evaluate his talent

in your world—-this would be a very boring site as nobody on this board has seen any of these kids play—-all we have to go on is the information that is out there…

if you don’t like the speculation—-don’t read it…but i’m expecting attrition based on this signing for all the reasons I said above.

by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

On the Harrisons

I like the sound of “increasingly confident in their pursuit of the Harrisons.” Man, that would be sweet.

by ocbterp on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know BBall claimed this was like War & Peace

But this should probably be cut and pasted and made into its own Fanpost. Good stuff, Shellshocked.

Also, while I don’t think Stoglin will leave, I agree that he’s the most likely candidate if anyone is going to do so.

by NAmstrong on Feb 22, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

War and Peace is a great novel

if you can stay with it. This was a very good post for the record :)

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

"He’s a low post guy, a back to the basket guy, but he has touch."

That’s exactly what I heard from locals who know Bayside b-ball.

"If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line. But it better work this time." - Dave Mustaine.
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2

by duck on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your insight

I believe Stogs will stay, unless he makes a hasty, ill-advised decision. I actually think Turge sees himself in Stogs, and keeps pushing him, knowing he’ll get better. I don’t really see anyone leaving the program (except Weijs and Mose).

Very interesting comments regarding Dodd. We all have to remember, Turge is a very high quality coach, and is paid to develop talent. He obviously sees the potential in Dodd, which I like.

Turge can mold his players the way he wants to, creating his style of ball. Too many 4 and 5 star kids are too set in their ways and coaches tend to just be babysitters (Roy Williams). I love this unknown entity some of our players have. I think Turge will become a HOF coach. It sure will be fun watching.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he is anticipating...

dodd redshirts len stays one more year? i dont really think we r gonna see too much attrition with the great development over the course of the year. len is the only one i see leaving and that will be at least one more year

by (adm)iregary on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Psot = Terps "War and Peace"

imitate => intimate;

Stogs “water testing” – fails – told by NBA “experts” he needs to improve passing, defense, and grow 4 inches by June….stays put at MD or goes to Europe. europe = bad move as he is still improving his passing and defense…My take – Stogs stays and continues improving his game and as a person. Turge is a former PG and will help Stogs elevate his game further – the other stuff is overblown imho.

Dodd – I trust the staff’s judgement – they’re paid to make these close calls. I feel better about working on a big man than a guard. Guards can be plugged in at any time and obviously are way more common. Hard to find local bigs with potential that can be developed.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

War & Peace

LOL, yes, agreed..

As far as everything I mentioned goes, time will tell, it always does..

If were getting picky about spelling Psot=Post

by Shellshocked on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up

Your take on Dodd most likely will pan out as you stated. The fun will be us getting to watch if he exceeds our reasonable expectations, which isn’t much right now not having seen him play/vids…

Yeah, we all hate the non-edit feature for posts. Or I was saying “P.S. OT” Overtime – lol
I only nitpicked cuz it wasn’t a misspelling – it was the wrong word – I aim to educate – ha ha ha

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No shots

I took it for what it was, I am a stickler for misspelled words as well, I was in a rush—as always.

I don’t have any expectations for Dodd right now, other then the staff likes his potential and that’s enough for now. The competition he plays against right now (even his own coach admits as much) makes any comparisons impossible to gauge, he could be a Randle clone in a few years, a warm body, or worst case a Braxton Dupree who simply can’t cut it because he’s always been the biggest guy on the court playing against guys who he towers over and can do whatever he wants against.

Dodd is the definition of a “wildcard” right now…

by Shellshocked on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Sleepy was a back-up anchor down low. Randle really used his heft to his advantage. Had a nice little hook shot too.

For some reason, it is an excitement about the unknown, not a fear. I just worry about schollies playing out as we all do…

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Transfer?!?!?!

Fire Edsall!! It’s all his fault!!

by ocbterp on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Missed out on Whittington

Damont could be our Greg Whittington. Georgetown beat us out for him (and I truly beoieve he will be a pro player by the time he graduates), but we beat them out for Damonte!!

by LongTimeTerpFan on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

No way Stogs transfers...

it is stay or pro for him. He will not be willing to sit out a year and make his college career even longer.

That being said, please leave him alone on Twitter. If he is going to transfer, I doubt a fanatic saying “please stay” will do more good than bad.

by Jeffro78 on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

He stays at UMD or goes pro, he’s not transferring to another school.

by Shellshocked on Feb 22, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard from the beginning that Stoglin was leaving after his Sophomore year

That was his plan all along, or so I heard. That would explain why hes selfish; he needs to put up the points and get noticed so he has a shot at making it, since he has to overcome his small size. I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled a Jordan Williams, calls us haters, and ends up making a terrible decision

by kryptonianjorel on Feb 22, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

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