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More Thoughts and Takeaways from Maryland's Double-Overtime Loss at Miami

My recap of the game last night was a bit light on substance, and purposefully so. It was a crazy game, and trying to do a full-featured, in-depth recap would've led to a lot of writing and not a lot of sense. So I decided to hold off until this morning, when I could be a bit more level-headed about things.

Note that this isn't a Four Things post - that's Ben G.'s deal, and I probably couldn't pull it off. I'm a bit simpler: stream of consciousness bullet points. Go!

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Heart, grit, yadda yadda yadda. For all of Maryland's flaws - and boy do they have flaws - the Terrapins showcased some extraordinary fight in the 17 minutes last night. After Mark Turgeon got tossed, the demeanor of the entire team changed: everyone was playing with more urgency and intensity, and the result was an impressive 23-7 run to tie the game. It's often said that comebacks take a lot out of a team, and it only makes sense that they do; Maryland's comeback must've been especially draining, given how much of it seemingly came from sheer emotion. The Terrapins eventually did peter out, but only after their biggest players - Terrell Stoglin, for example - had reached well over the 40 minute mark.

At some point, Maryland will need to turn this grit, determination, and *insert intangible of choice here* into real production. I feel like we've been saying this about Maryland for two years straight, and we probably have. But as depressing as it may be at times to think of it that way, this is still a very positive aspect of this team, and if the Terrapins ever do come good, that determination will be a huge help - and a big reason they got there in the first place.

But for Juan's sake, what about everything else? It pains me to praise Maryland's fantastic comeback and effort in the final 17 minutes, because they were so ridiculously mediocre for the first 33. While it's nice that Turgeon's ejection lit a fire under them, should it really take a coach getting tossed to light that fire? (Answer: no, it shouldn't.) Maybe they just needed a catalyst for their season and this was that, but then we'll need to see that in future games. Really, Maryland's focus has been in-and-out all season long; they never give up, but sometimes they forget they're still playing basketball. Don't act like you haven't seen it - it's been in basically every second of the season, save this one. Perhaps this will end that; I hope so. Because we can't go about having Turgeon getting tossed every game.

And not only that, but execution needs to improve drastically. Maryland isn't a good team - we've established that. They're not an NCAA Tournament-quality team, and only one player - Terrell Stoglin - probably starts on any top-tier ACC squad. But they were in this game, could've won it, and probably should've won it. Same happened with Illinois. And N.C. State. And, to a lesser extent, Temple.

I'm not asking for Maryland to suddenly sprout a secondary perimeter scorer, a true floor general, a catch-and-shoot sniper, or an experienced big man. Those are roster issues and they're desperately limiting. But the Terrapins are better than what they showed today, and better than what they showed in those other games I mentioned. Or, rather, they should be better. That they're not is worrisome. I said it in the recap, and I'll say it again: the sum of Maryland's parts right now isn't very great, but they're not even reaching that most times. I now understand Mark Turgeon's constant frustration; hopefully he can get things to improve, and rapidly.

A quick note on refereeing. Was it bad? Yes. Was it heinous? Eh ... I think the missed goaltend was heinous because that's not a judgment call; unlike block/charge, something either is a goaltend or it isn't, and that most definitely was. Take those two points off the board, and that overtime period changes drastically. And to those of you saying I shouldn't be complaining about that because Maryland "should" be winning these games anyway: I really don't care. Maryland "should" be winning these games, you're right. And it'd be nice if they were an NCAA Tournament team. And heck, I'd love it if they went undefeated. Doesn't matter. They're not there. "Did" happens to be more relevant in this case than "should." I'll point out every reason they lost this game - 99% of which is their own doing - but I'll also point out a blatant missed call when it's there.

Anyway, other than that it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone else makes it out to be. Seriously, people: Maryland isn't getting screwed over by the refs, at least not more than any other team is, when you draw it out over the course of a season.

Good performance #1, Nick Faust. Good is almost always a relative term; when tracking Nick's performance, it's about improvement. And we saw that last night: with one exception, he stopped chucking bad threes (even when he had a look) and instead put the ball on the floor and got to the rim. He didn't always finish, but he'll get stronger and more comfortable as time goes on. And, somewhat incredibly, he did finish one, a jaw-dropping jam in traffic. Throw in three steals and a 3-4 performance from the stripe, and we had Faust's best performance in some time. If he keeps having incremental gains, eventually he'll put it together. The good news is that he appears to figure out what works for him, and he'll keep going back to that well.

Good performance #2, Alex Len. Again, it's always a relative term. Len wasn't that good, but I have to say I was encouraged by what I saw compared to his recent dud performances. Look, Olexiy isn't a game-changer yet. It took facing a team with no post depth and not that much size for him to really get back on track. But he did, and I give him props for that. He shot 4-6 from the field - basically all of them dunks or putbacks - and 3-4 from the stripe, with four blocks, including a crucial one in 2OT.

He's not good enough in so many areas - he needs to get smarter (silly push-off in overtime) and stronger (5-11 Shane Larkin stole a rebound right out of his hands), among other things - but he showed the potential he has to change games. We haven't seen that in the past eight contests, and it was nice to find out it isn't gone.

Problem #1: over-reliance on Terrell Stoglin. I mean, it's not like we didn't know this was a problem. And Stoglin is a part of it, true: Maryland needs his buckets and I'll let him do basically whatever to get them, but 34% shooting - plus 20(!) threes attempted on 30% shooting - probably isn't going to be good enough most days. Not that I'm not saying he should be shooting better than that, per se; again, Maryland needs his points and that's how he thought he could best get them. It's not an easy gig. But the next step for Stogs is to take the step that Grevis and Kemba took: figuring out when a bad shot - even if may go in - isn't necessary, and when a teammate might have a better look than him. He's continually improving in this regard, but last night was a step back. That's okay - one thing I've learned is that improvement may not come at all once, especially with mitigating factors - but I don't want to see it become a habit.

Of course, who is he really going to pass it to? Sean Mosley? Absolutely invisible, 1-7 from the field. Alex Len? Not yet ready. James Padgett, Ashton Pankey? Ha. Pe'Shon Howard? Not a great idea.

See, this is why I don't blame Stoglin. He might've shot 34% from the field, sure, but his guard compatriots shot 30% from the field, almost always on much easier looks. Do you blame him for not giving the ball to Pe' for a slightly better look when Pe' is 0-4 from three himself? It's an execution issue, to some extent, but mostly a roster issue: Maryland just doesn't have the scorers they need. This could improve rapidly if Nick Faust sees incremental gains and Jake Layman is as good as advertised, but as it stands now Maryland's offense will always run through Stogs, and at times only Stogs.

Problem #2: point guard play. Part of the problem is that Pe'Shon Howard is a true combo guard, not a true point guard. You can't have your point guard going 0-4 on threes - at least two of them Stoglin-type shots - and turning the ball over three times in the first half. He improved, mind you - only two turnovers in the final 30 minutes of play - but it was tough to be impressed by Pe', particularly as "getting the offense into sets" consists of "handing the ball to Terrell Stoglin." I love the guy to death, but I can't help but feel he'd be better served coming off the bench as a backup for either guard spot, where his flaws as a floor general could be more easily overlooked. Strangely, Mark Turgeon might agree: Pe' was passed over by Nick Faust in the starting lineup last night.

The scariest thing is that, unlike some of Maryland's other issues, this one doesn't show any sign of fixing itself. Seth Allen is another combo, and he's played low-level competition; while I love the potential he brings as a sniper, he's not a true point guard and expecting him to be one will only get Maryland in this situation again a few years down the line. Most true points have already committed elsewhere. Time to hope for a coaching change at Pitt or Villanova. If nothing else can we make a furious last-second run at Olivier Hanlan or something? Getting a true point ASAP is of utmost importance to me - even if that means it hurts chances with the Harrisons.

Problem #3: rebounding. Quick question: how does a team (namely, Miami) who played a big man - any big man - for only 35 minutes (of a 50 minute game) out-rebound a team (namely, Maryland) with four players upwards of 6-8 and a 7-1 behemoth? I don't know, but that's inexcusable. Maryland wins the rebounding battle, which they should've done, and they win the game. Teach these guys how to box out, pronto.

Problem #4: turnovers. You want to see what got Maryland out of the game in the first place, you can look right at the nine first-half turnovers. They finished up with 19 - not much better, but a slight improvement given the extra 10 minutes played - compared to Miami's 14. The Canes simply played smarter ball. Maryland, to go along with all their faults, simply doesn't have very good basketball IQ.

Hey, at least they figured out Mychal Parker can jump. "Okay, on the fast-break, on the fast-break ... looks like I have numbers but I just can't see a clear lane to the basket ... oh, there's Mychal Parker, the 6-6 guy who can jump out of the building ... oh, he's cutting to the net ... hmm, I wonder, is it legal to just throw the ball up around the basket and let him catch it and dunk it? ... oh it is? ... it's called an alley-oop? ... well, I'll just do that then, instead of running head-long into a stationary defender like we all seem to enjoy so much."

Seriously, he's 6-6, long as a giraffe, and has a 40" vert. If you're in transition, just throw the ball in his general vicinity.

Mark Turgeon is fiery. Turge actually didn't at all deserve to get ejected; he certainly wasn't angling for it. But dude has some fire in him. That, at least, is good to see.

Scott Spinelli: boss. Born coach. Has deserved a HC gig for a long time and would've had one last year if he didn't migrate to Maryland first; I think Turgeon will be lucky if he's on the staff for another season.

Requisite big-picture closing. I always try to close on a big picture issue, because it looks better that way. In this case: I often say things like "it's hard to be upset about this loss." That's ... not at all true here, really. It's easy to be upset about this loss. Where was the intensity for the first 33 minutes? Where was the execution? Why do people still refuse to box out?

There were positives - that endearing grit, for one - but having positives doesn't equate to happiness. They don't make the overall performance good. It wasn't. I don't know if it can improve with the current roster, or whether it'll take an influx of talent. This grittiness is nice, but the limitations are incessantly frustrating. I'm not panicking, mind you. People shouldn't have expected winning this year anyway, and if next year is the first year we start to judge things truly, then they still have plenty of time. But there are enough pieces in place for better than what we've seen. Take that however you want; I'm not necessarily upset, because I don't care too much about this year, but I'm also not happy with it.

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Good stuff, as always, Ben

Not surprisingly, your analysis is spot on.

Before I echo your feelings of disappointment, I think this is a good time to remind ourselves that we lost 3 big-minute seniors, our best player, our program-defining coach, AND our 6th man from last year’s team … which didn’t even make the NIT. So the fact that the team has improved from last year — and it has — is a testament to their hard work and some serious coaching. Agreed? (Seriously, how different is this team with JWill and Hauk Paulsson?)

Having said that, I agree, our lack of a point guard is really glaring. Pe’Shon did not impress anyone last night — from the lack of creating looks for others to taking what felt like an hour to bank in a last-chance layup when we technically still had a shot. He had a couple of really bad decisions, too, like the three from 35 feet with 3 seconds left on the clock in the first half. I think he’s gotta find a little of the swag/huevos/cajones that he showed last year.

The marquee freshmen are weird players. Nick Faust really had his moments tonight, and the good news for the future is that they all came in big spots. That said, he had a really frigid start and seemed to be a non-factor for the entire first half and more. Alex Len has a great skill set, but will not be a good basketball player until he learns how to catch, gains a hell of a lot more awareness, and gets about 20 pounds of muscle. Might take a while.

And what to make of Sean Mosley… A different guy every game. Last night was truly disappointing on his end.

I think it’s worth noting how valuable a game like this is in terms of experience for a lot of young players, though. And James Padgett seems to be growing in every game despite a really bizarre lack of minutes at the end last night.

At the end of the day, this was just a heartbreaking loss that hopefully can inspire the team to work harder and mature. Losses are generally better teachers than wins, so let’s hope they grow as a result. That’s my two cents.

by mmford10 on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Very much agreed on that first point.

Although we might want to let the season run before making that point too forcefully.

by Ben Broman on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

We would a very good team with hawk and JW

like top 25 easily. Hawk was getting so good by the end of last year and now he is making money.

Peshon has really annoyed thus far. It is like he is trying to find his role when his role has already been defined. Set up the offense, drive and dish and get free throws. He needs to start throwing the ball up ahead like Kendall Marshall instead of dribbling it down every time. It is like a war is being waged in his mind as it clear for everyone to see.

It is all about focus. Everything in life is about focus.This team needs one big ADD pill. It is safe to say Peshon is having a slump and him hurting his foot put him there. He had looked very good before that. I feel like he trying to make up for last time.

These guys need to realize they will never get these games back or times back, especially mosley. But then again that goes back to focus. One positive for us fans is that we got to watch an acc classic.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously

he would have been Robin to Stog’s Batman – no offense OchoOucho

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

?

i see how maybe it would have hurt stogs’ overall numbers but i would think those three would be pretty solid on offense together. i think jwill alone could have gotten us a ranking this year

by (adm)iregary on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I was saying

Stogs/Ross – Batman/Robin – they would have helped spread the perimeter D w/ two serious outside threats, and JWill would have thrived with double teams harder to establish with Stogs and another shooter outside. I hope Seth steps into the role some.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if

we got gus gilchrist a lot of our problems would have gone away for a couple of years as well as Tyree Evans. Then McCray’s dismissal wouldnt have sucked so bad and we could have survived those years. Then if lance stephenson comes to maryland then Greivis prolly goes to the final four. If Rudy Gay wasnt paid to play, we most def would have gone to atleast another sweet 16 or final 4. If Hasan Fofana doesnt leave, Travis Garrisons mental collapse prolly doesnt happen. If Braxton Dupree didnt have the maturity of 2 year old…. it just goes on and on…

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fofana - Garrison?

Missin’ that one – I just thought Fofana couldn’t play @ major D1 level

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

no dupree was the one who couldnt

Fofana would have been great to have, then it wouldnt have been really just Ibekwe and Gist

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Fofana didn't really develop much as a D1 player

but I think he left because of Jimmy Patsos. Fofana followed Patsos to Loyola.

by terppride on Feb 2, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

right

but watching him while he was at MD – it was clear he was too much of a project that wouldn’t pan out – he didn’t exactly dominate the MAAC

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

no he didnt

but he was a big body we could have used, especially his senior year, with him gist ibekwe osby.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

hahahah…. hahahaha… you’re right…. wait…. feelings coming back… i’m going to cry, man did that suck last night.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

PG Play

If we were to sub Eric Hayes with Pe, would that team make the NCAA? I think so. Hayes was a good enough “floor general” and great shooter, Pe is neither. I dont think we need a great PG to be a good team i think we just need a competent one and a great 3 pt shooter. We will see if Allen fills that role, here’s hoping.

by cSq on Feb 2, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Down 16 with 7 left

To fight back from that shows a lot of guts. Last night definitely stings but hopefully we can take the positives and build on them. I’m not burying us yet.

by terpskin on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

faster pace

Did anyone else notice that the Terps played better when the game was sped up with the press? They have been trying to grind out slow paced games all season and it hasn’t made much sense. Perhaps early in the year when there were not enough players, but not now. There are plenty of athletes on this team and little skill. It seems like it would make more sense to get out and run instead of battling in the half court where the lack of skill and execution is obvious. Also it’s not like the slow pace is preventing turnovers. Perhaps raising the possession number would actually decrease the percentage of turnovers and make them less relevant.

by SeattleTerp on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

The press was effective for sure

but I think that Miami played into the success as much as MD. It might not work against a more composed opponent.

by terppride on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The press seemed more effective

than it actually was. From about the 4 minute point on Miami was looking only to break the press and run clock not attack it. From my viewing it looked to me that once across half court there were a lot of holes in the press but Miami kept backing it out to run clock and ended up with a lot of poor shots.

by FHFAN on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The press was effective for a little while...I agree that we should use it from time to time

It caused a few turnovers, but then Miami was able to break it pretty easily after that.

The press is best used from time to time to disrupt the opponent. The first time Turgeon used it, it did just that and a few times after….however, it tired us out and may have contributed to our late game OT fatigue.

We have to substitute more if you are going to press at such a high level…which is one of my criticisms of Spinelli’s coaching…He stuck with the same guys until they wore out.

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm OK with the 2OT L

in fact I am so proud of every player and coach on this team at the way they fought on last night. Sure I wanted the W but I am pleased and proud at what I saw from this game. Some time you get a call you don’t deserve but Terps were on the wrong end of many missed and bad calls last night that would have made a difference. Let Len mature and get stronger and get Stog some help shooting the ball and teams in the ACC will soon Fear the Turtle! Go Terps!

by Corvette Terp on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Pankey

just seems like he cant get into it emotionally while on the court. I dont feel like Pankey even feels like himself on the court. Which I can understand having numerous injuries

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a good point

I think Pankey…is playing a little too tentative out there and I wonder if it’s b/c of injury concerns.

Remember he missed 2 whole seasons for injuries in the past and maybe he’s still nervous of injuring something again. I would be…. I don’t know what goes on in his head, but I could definately see that being the case.

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaime Lucky

While the refs may not cost us games (any numerous amount of team deficiencies are doing that), I’d prefer to have mr. lucky stop trolling our games. Between Turge’s T tonight and Greivis’ T three years ago to foul him out of a close game, his whistle is doing us no favors.

by TMNTerps on Feb 2, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

honeslty

its been like this for years. That what makes being a maryland fan so special and different, is that we have been fighting an uphill battle since lefty got here, and thankfully we have gotten to the top of the hill a good amount of times. It has always been like us against the world and I love it, not only did the players take on GW personality, the fans did as well.
I am not going to lie, watching gary williams for years and all the players who had a chip on their shoulders, gave me an identity as player and a coach cause I wanted to be like them. And I know it does take a certain quality to go to umd and to be a fan. And most of of us as fans have a chip on or shoulder.
That is why we over react to every questionable or missed call, cause we think “F you, how dare you try to screw us over”. We take everything personally for the most part and even when our fellow students dont go to games we take it personally.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i was at the game last night. great game. we had our chances. nice on campus arena and there is nobody there. couple hundred students in the student section. maybe 300-400 maryland fans. 5 minutes before game time it felt like being at a weekday movie matinee.

by fkterp on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Mosley

As a senior he should not be committing charges and stupid fouls at the worst possible time; OT. He does play smart at times but he still commits a lot of dumb fouls and charges. This on is on him.

by jack ss on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

The charge was a bad call imo

He was dribbling to his left and the defender shifted over. Even then, Mose didn’t hit the defender squarely. Should’ve been blocking. Combine that with the offensive goaltending and the refs really took this game away from the Terps.

by ammizny on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

ummmm

how can you say that? We didnt show up till like 733 left in game. one thing that helped was the big run came before the 2nd not 5 minutes into the 2nd half.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying the refs cost us the game. I’m saying they made some really bad calls in key spots. The non-call on the goaltending changed the entire complexion of the game.

by ammizny on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

You are right

but if we rotate and box out on defense that doesnt happen, if mose realized he didnt have number or the angle he should have pulled it back out or stopped and popped. I am just saying besides the faust charge, a lot of calls were due to use being out of position.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Make no mistake

We had chances to win the game and didn’t. It was disgusting watching Len get a rebound and just having it yanked away or not being able to get the ball inside when the had no big men on the floor. We could’ve won that game, but the refs didn’t do us any favors.

by ammizny on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

but Mosley's charge could have been charge

it was close. While I think the defender had a very slight lean at the last moment, Mosley knows better than to plow into a player when he could have anticipated a) the defender stopping; b) going to his left hand and drawing the defender or going past the defender would lead to an easy layup or a pass to who was on the right for the 2 on 1.

Poor decision making by players leads to most mistakes/calls. Placing blame with refs for a loss is usually futile. But I do think the goal tend was missed (the ref on the right prolly should have stepped in and called it cuz the other outside referee on the left was looking dead on at the hand and ball and couldn’t see daylight between them or a direction change in the ball – sorry for being technical, but that was what the left side ref was confronted with), and this charge could have easily been called a block – so what.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree about the not good

Overall, I agree with some of the article’s points, but I disagree with the not a “good team” conclusion. I have seen that a few other places and I just don’t get that. They may not be an NCAA Tournament team (may not), but still would not mean they’re not a good team. They have played some tough teams and some not so tough teams and have a good record. But for the (Pe and Len) light teams at the beginning of the season, their record would probably be a couple of games better.

On a side note, I think the key to this team is Mosley. He’s absolutely the key and if he’s not going then the team does not win. When he’s in it on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive side then, more often than not, the team wins. When he’s not, then it’s a crapshoot. TS’s performance is up and down and up and down, but some of his more consistent games have come when there’s a number 2 scorer (ala Mosley) who’s clicking. Then (and this is pure speculation) I don’t think TS puts as much pressure on himself to score. When the game comes to him, he is better.

Anyway, I’m still positive about their outlook. They’re entertaining and they have grit. That’s enough for me this year.

by Charles2 on Feb 2, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Forgot

And, I forgot to add that I think Mosley is still fighting through the high ankle sprain. I think that impacts his game which impacts the whole team. He’s a fighter, so he doesn’t talk about it much, but you can tell he’s still bothered by it.

by Charles2 on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Ben...very good...

I love the ‘end with positives’…to that ‘end’ – Len simply needs to play more. Did you see his relativey nimble spin move?! I’ve been watching college hoops for 40 years and have never seen a more agile move from an 18 year-old 7’1" player! Granted – he missed the shot – but that demonstration spoke volumes to me about his potential and physical gifts. With this team not really playing for anything other than pride…he needs to be out there learning on the fly – 30 mins/game! What have we got to lose?

by WherestheBison on Feb 2, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Note: General vicinity now includes anywhere east of the Mississippi.
Seriously, he’s 6-6, long as a giraffe, and has a 40" vert. If you’re in transition, just throw the ball in his general vicinity.

by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 2, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

PeShon

PeShon’s play has been very disappointing. I think ACC play is just too fast for him right now. Not sure he’ll be able to overcome this in the next two years. 50% of the time he drives the lane he commits an offensive foul. His 3 point shooting is woeful. Too many TO’s and not enough assists. His defense has not been stellar either. It’s too bad we don’t have a true PG to rotate in. It puts a lot of pressure on Pe and I think he is pressing. Does anyone else hate Pe’s mouth guard? It makes him look like he has yellow, buck-teeth!

by terpozzimo on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

Pe has been very disappointing especially considering he showed so much promise last year. I’m hoping it’s just a matter of maybe he’s not 100% or he’s still trying to get to game speed or he just needs more time to gel with him teammates. But as each game passes by, he’s not showing any improvement.

by ammizny on Feb 2, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not 100%

I don’t think he’s 100% plus he has to learn a new offense plus everyone else is learning a new offense. His three point shot was really coming on towards the end of last year and it seems as though he’s just not getting the proper lift on his jump shot. A lot of that could probably be attributed to leg problems. That also impacts his quickness.

He and TS are still learning to play off of each other in this new offense. If they can learn a little two man game (something that Greivis and Hayes had perfected by the time they were seniors; particularly the two man pick play on the baseline to set up a three), then they will both increase their overall three point percentage.

by Charles2 on Feb 2, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Fatigue

Spinelli did not substitue enough. Turge moves more players in and out but I think Spinelli wanted to go with his best players during that 27-7 run to close out regulation. It worked but our guys were out of gas in the 2nd OT. I thought our offense was on the money in the 2nd half but defensively we gave up too much. Lets give Miami credit, they were good and we could not defend Scott.

by torope on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Good Post BB

Last night I saw…
- Faust is a good slasher who consistently cannot finish. If he learns how to make shots (and pull up) he’s going to be good. His defense is a liability though.
- Len has bad hands and his largesse gets him foul called against him that don’t really exist. He’s a project that still makes an impact now, though.
- Breaking News Without Stoglin we would be just flat-out awful. Instead we’re just not very good.
- We have no point guard (period) and therefore have limited room for improvement
- Revelation. We can effectively press.
- We give up a lot of long rebounds to our opponents, mainly because our perimeter players aren’t real interested in boxing out.
- Spinnelli is going to be a HC somewhere next year
- No one wanted to take control of this game. Not MD, who just wanted to be in the game and seemed emotionally driven/satisfied by that; not Miami, who couldn’t get out of their own way all night; and certainly not the officiating crew, who were so bad they reduced the level of play to something resembling HS JV in North Dakota (however were not nearly as lopsided as in the Duke game for example, they were just legitimately BAD all around).
- Random baseless (?) prediction: The ACC Tourney will be the end of our season.

by TerpFear on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

stogie shoots too much?

Note that Stoglin’s .411 FG% ranks 10th best in the ACC.

1. Tyler Zeller-NC SR 7 45 75 .600
2. Kenny Kadji-UM SO 6 38 68 .559
3. Mike Scott-VA SR 7 50 94 .532
4. Michael Snaer-FS JR 7 36 69 .522
5. Durand Scott-UM JR 7 38 75 .507
6. Harrison Barnes-NC SO 7 44 93 .473
7. John Henson-NC JR 7 37 84 .440
8. Andre Young-CU SR 7 35 80 .438
9. Erick Green-VT JR 5 34 78 .436
10. Terrell Stoglin-MD SO 7 51 124 .411

by King of France on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

Good point the forest of Stoglin's body of work shows his FG% is very good...we still can't be a one man show though...here are our best options after Stoglin IMO...

1. Mosely- when Mosely’s is on he’s our #2 scorer
2a. Len- SURPRISE! Butterfingers is our best option down low and we need to continue to feed him!
2b. Padge- Yea well maybe neck and neck let’s see how Len does against UNC
3. Faust- take it to the rack baby!
4a. Weijs- dam it! let…free the Berend…that double set with both him and Len @ the same time was pretty freakin’ awesome!…would like to see more of that
4b.Parker- who dat? who dat?…along with Weijs definitely deserves more time!
5. Pankey- which one will show up and for how long? VT game was awesome
6. Peshon- too many turnovers for the minutes he’s getting right now…has a Mosely like potential and will have opportunity to prove himself but at this point it’s just not coming together…agree he should be our backup at either guard position

by terpsontop on Feb 2, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Note that he's taken 30 more shots

than anyone else on that list. An I think this is a bit of the issue with some of the weaknesses of last night’s game, Just too much 4 guys standing around waiting for Stogs to do something. As I noted on a post elsewhere especially on the last possession of regulation.

As for the charge on Sean, he’s just got to know better. After the call on Faust that sent Turge off, he’s got to realize as a senior that it’s no better than 50/50 that he gets that call especially on the road and since he doesn’t have the reputation of being a guy who drives to the basket and draws fouls and with his ankle problem that limits his quickness and ability to cut. (Stogs probably has a 60% chance on the same play.) He’s got to kow to pull up and take the nid-range or dish it off. I think the fact that he’d just missed a similar jumper in the lane one or two possessions earlier.

by FHFAN on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Refs?

Guys, Miami had 3 players foul out!! The refs were not that good, but they were not that good both ways. Some of those fouls on Johnson were ticky-tacky. The biggest play was Mosley’s charge in OT. Whether it was or wasn’t, he should know better than to even make it close. Drop it off to the trailer and let him slam it. We beat ourselves.

by jlowenc on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

True. Both team had calls against them...but a couple really stood out against us

Our coach got ejected….not only was the first technical a little quick….the second was insanely quick. (and this was 4 points right to the other team)..on a very questionable call against Faust.

I really want to know what Turgeon could possibly have said to piss off a ref that quickly…

The offensive goaltending was a killer…

We could debate the reffing for a long time….but it played a huge role in the outcome…whether warrented or unwarrented.

by TurtleShel716 on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maryland is still considered on ESPN bubble watch

I was suprised but apparently MIA,NCST,MD are bubble teams
FSU,UVA should be in
DUKE,UNC are locks

Maybe we still have hope left for an unexpected NCAA bid.

by proudterp on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

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