Kevin Anderson Upping the Ante on Maryland's Effort to Rekindle Georgetown Rivalry
by Ben Broman on Feb 19, 2012 6:11 PM EST
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Remember a few months ago, when Maryland athletic director Kevin Anderson was trying to restart the local Terps-Georgetown rivalry? Things never really took off from there. So Anderson's next move? Ratchet up the pressure.
Rebuffed in his efforts to restart Maryland's men's basketball rivalry with Georgetown, Terrapins Athletic Director Kevin Anderson has decided against scheduling games against the Hoyas in all sports until the impasse is resolved.
"We think that across the board, if we're going to play people - particularly somebody in our own region - they should be able and willing to play us in everything," Anderson said in a telephone interview. "If we could sit down and talk about it, and have a good dialogue, we're more than happy to pursue other avenues. But we want to play Georgetown in all sports."
In short: Maryland will schedule Georgetown in lacrosse and women's basketball, so long as Georgetown is willing to play Maryland in men's basketball. No MBB? No Maryland, in any sport.
Does it suck, just a bit, for WBB and lax? Of course. Georgetown is a natural rival and it makes sense to play them in as many sports as possible. But a men's basketball game between Georgetown and Maryland, alternating between Comcast and Verizon, would be a blockbuster event. Not only would it sell out - which is obviously huge for Maryland right now - it'd get national publicity, give both teams a chance at a marquee win, and be immensely entertaining. In an attempt to force Georgetown's hand, Anderson is trying to increase pressure on the Hoyas to finally get it set up.
I have no interest in descending into an "It's Maryland's fault!" "No, it's Georgetown's fault!" argument right now. We all know the background, I'm sure. Hopefully this tactic by Anderson will be enough pressure to force movement toward some measure of comprimise, because this thing deserves to get going again.
Especially, of course, because Maryland is about to become relevant again. Re-enacting the '93 upset - ie, the game that announced Maryland was back on the national scene - in 2013? Yes please.
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But I approve. KA I’ve upgraded you from Awful to Not Terrible in my book.
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by RedTurtle on Feb 19, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Go ahead KA
If this works out, its gotta be one of the best things he’s done for the school. What are the chances we get a game with them as early as next year?
By the way Ben, love the last paragraph
I dont think I have said this before
But great move by KA
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by JerseyTerp on Feb 19, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't understand GTown's hesitancy.
Fear the Turgle!
They want a 2-1 agreement
since of course we are an inferrior team in an inferrior conference.
I think we should just take that deal...
since it will be easy for Maryland fans to invade the Verizon Center. Playing them “on the road” would basically be a neutral court game for us…
by ATLredskin on Feb 19, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
They think they would have the upper hand and feel like the big brother. the solution is to take the deal and whip their ass.
Seems like a logical deal
Wonder how our profit for a packed Verizon Center would compare to a packed Comcast. I dont think any Terps are scared of playing Gtown @ Verizon.
we dont get the profit for verizon
that is the entire point. Verizon is Georgetowns homesite, so unless they paid us to come there we wouldn’t get anything.
The poster above alluded to a 1-1-1, with the third a neutral site with split revenues. I wonder if this is possible as our Baltimore game? I’m down with that.
1-1-1
Verizon Center
Comcast Center
USS Gerald Ford docked in Annapolis
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
odds are ... on the USS Ford
a player trips, falls, breaks leg during game – lmao
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
lol - Ford was a lovable Prez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlz0he9rtKw
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
The point is they want the money 2 out of 3 times.
Fear the Turgle!
Hopefully KA doesn't accept that offer when it comes on the table.
He doesn’t exactly have a good record with contract negotiations.
No, really, why does GT hate us so much in MBB?
And I hope this works. I generally like the strong move, but if it fails we may never get a game. At least no one can say we didn’t try to get it started up again.
Historially speaking....
…even in the throes of Hoya Paranoia (which occured when I was at MD) the Cap Center typically did not see as many tix fo GT as MD sold in Cole. JTII was correct in carving out a separate, national profile for GT as opposed to trying to rule the local scene. It made sense for GT at the time. MD stands to gain more from annual games than GT does.
r-hgr
I hope Georgetown doesn't cave to the pressure and...
then in 4 years when the Terps are in the final four and the Big East is falling apart, they come begging for a home and home and we demand a 2-1. Screw the Hoyas.
by MountainTerp on Feb 19, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Haha that last paragraph speaks to the destiny of Maryland bball
Reenacting the same revival exactly 10 years later! Poetic justice! :D
by aMo on Feb 19, 2012 7:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
actually...
it’s 20 years, but who’s counting?
Doubt Georgetown will respond favorably to KA's ultimatum but
now I know what KA saw in Randy Edsall.
Does that include...
football? I’m looking for wins to help out Coach Edsall. I think we can take the Hoyas on the gridiron.
by CSB Jack on Feb 19, 2012 8:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Georgetown Admin are WIMPS
Man up to the challenge, or don’t play at all. That’s what KA is saying. Take off your Hoya dresses and pull up your panties. Afraid your beloved team will get their ass kicked every year by the Terps in all sports? Yes, they are. That’s why they’re weaseling out of men’s BBall games.
All those smart Georgetown lawyers aren’t so bright after all! Hide behind your skirts, little boys.
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by TerpFan2001 on Feb 19, 2012 8:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seriously?
This is just a great move. For years, there’s been a blockade against this game. For no real reason. MD might as well use its biggest asset (the number of sports it offers and usually plays G’town). That’s a bold move and one worthy of a lot of support by Terps fans. The point about sitting down and talking to people is an important one. I think he’s willing to compromise, but there has to be a discussion.
I’ve been nothing but impressed from KA from the start and this is more evidence of his abilities as an AD. I know that RE’s record has been linked very closely to KA’s performance, but that’s just unfair. Definitely a consideration, but you have to weigh all of the facts (including the performance of other teams). Anyway, great move and definitely another sign of a high performing AD.
I've not been impressed with KA from the start or overall
but I like the tact he is taking with this issue. Maybe the man is settling in and will grow into his job.
GET EM!
This definitely favors maryland, it makes Gtown look like they are being stubborn.
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This is awesome.
Great move by KA. I don’t really understand why they won’t schedule a home and home, whether they’re afraid of losing some feeling of having an upper-hand on us with local recruits or reputation or whatever, but I know we have a much stronger fan base and it would show in a home and home. I can’t believe they actually think they are superior to the point of deserving a 2-1. Either way, great move by KA.
they won't schedule a home and home...
because they feel that since MD is a bigger school, located on a metro line, they would easily come to Verizon and make it feel like it isn’t a home court game. In other words, they’re scared of our fans invading there home stadium.
Yeah, I went over to a couple of Gtown blogs after posting that,
and sort of get where they’re coming from (game would be much more beneficial to us than them). Still don’t think we should go for a 2-1 though.
FUED
The was I heard it a long time ago, J.T Sr. and Lefty were both recruitting a kid from Dematha. Don’t know all the details, but J.T got pissed. Never wanted anything to do W/ Md. afterwards. And never recruited Dematha players again, was pissed at Wooten as well.
JT and DeMatha
John Thompson II had a war with Wooten going back to his high school coaching days. Again came down to playing each other but I think Wooten was more against playing Thompsons teams. His beef with playing Maryland was more related to him scheduling the easiest non conference schedule in BBall (St. Leo’s anyone) and the one year he goes against the grain we beat them at home. I think JTIII would be more apt to get it done.
Easily the best move KA has made in his tenure
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by Daniel Hamilton on Feb 19, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions
Good move by KA
It KILLS me that we let GTown pass us as a mens basketball program by continually out working us on the trail since JTIII arrived. I pray Turge restores order.
I wouldn't settle for two games at verizon for every one at Comcast
Sure, Maryland could probably invade the Verizon Center, but that’s not the point. Comcast Center is on UMD’s campus, it’s our home court and we have a right to play there. If Georgetown wants a true home-court advantage against UMD, build your own arena. It’s not Maryland’s fault that you don’t have proper facilities or a fan base that could fill the Verizon Center.
I think it’s going to happen, and what I would propose is, once the Convention Center or whatever in Baltimore is built, we do a home-home-neutral, with the neutral site rotating between the Verizon Center and the Convention Center in Baltimore every three years. Split the revenue for the neutral court game. Play it the week before Christmas.
McDonough might be able to hold 4000 if you put seats on the court
It holds I think 2500ish now. Supposedly it used to hold more but having been in there, I’m not quite sure how that’s possible…
I like the home-home-neutral
but keep the neutral in Baltimore. Don’t appease them by giving them the Verizon Center the third time.
I'm not opposed to the alternating third game
But I don’t like that the second site proposed is Verizon even though the ticket revenue is split in the scenario. Even though MD is given to outnumber Georgetown at any game at Verizon, its like giving in to there demands on it. I think it is absurd to have to even put in an alternating third neutral site as opposed to a home and home because they are afraid of coming to Comcast, let alone our fans invading Verizon.
KA must be retarded
When you don’t have any leverage . . . go public? G-town doesn’t need Maryland for MBB, obviously, and in WBB/lax/soccer/etc. now they have an excuse to duck Terp teams that can/will beat them.
Brilliant. The G-town AD already told KA where to go for trying to negotiate in public . . .KA may have thrown some meat to the home crowd, but if you actually want to play G-town in MBB (how does Turg feel about that? maybe later?) this was a real light weight move and probably won’t get more than an eye-roll from Georgetown.
Their AD will just say “we’re not cutting sports, we have more conference games, and can travel to play games that are better for our student-athletes” – THEN what?
Maybe yes maybe know
That might be the conventional wisdom, but the fact is that Gtown only really has one winner. Just MBB. The WBB is new and the lax and the soccer are hit or miss. College athletics is about the long term. Signing up a regional appointment for a lucrative run in the long term would be big for both schools. The ADs from both schools probably know that, but the coaches and the fans and the alumni present some difficulties.
The fact remains that Maryland has been mucn more dominant over those sports and probably will be for some time. That is what KA is leveraging.
Their AD can say that they’re not cutting sports, they have more conference games, and that they can travel to games that are better for their better student-athletes (maybe that’s true maybe that’s not — actually it’s not), but chances are that will only last for a short short short short time.
Also
We are a non-cupcake game in all of those other sports, and they don’t have to spend any money traveling. Now they play horrendous local schools, or spend a good deal of cash moving teams in several other sports. Also, it will impact their recruitment in those sports a tad. With the big east in extreme turmoil, a lot of those sports — esp lax — had stability at MD.
That's where you're wrong
We are consistently highly ranked in women’s basketball and in both men’s and women’s soccer and lacrosse. Whereas we don’t need to play them in those sports on a yearly basis, they need us in every single one to strengthen their schedules without having to worry about high travel expenses and such. Trust me, lots of schools will come running to replace Georgetown as our opponent in those sports. Georgetown, not so much…
It’s hard to say how Georgetown will react to this since they’ve really just flat-out ignored us in MBB but have probably grown accustomed to seeing us every year in many other sports. I personally think that them asking for a 2-1 is ridiculous. I’m sure they know that at least half of their revenue from those two “home” games would be from Terp fans but yet they insist on claiming it as their own. It’s no secret that our athletic department is strapped for cash so accepting a 2-1 deal is not an option. The issue is that GTown won’t want a 1-1 so a 1-1-1 then becomes the best option – in theory, that is. The problem with that is that Verizon Center would be the obvious choice for a neutral site and there is no way that can happen unless GTown would be willing to split revenue from a game there, which they would have absolutely no reason to do.Otherwise, we could take it to Baltimore but GTown would claim (and rightfully so) that UMD has a clear home court advantage there. Outside of that, you wouldn’t have many options at all.
At this point the fact of the matter is that it’s probably not gonna happen unless Georgetown REALLY needs us as opponents in those other sports. And I mean so badly that they completely come around and agree to a 1-1/home and home, which seems doubtful at best even though I think it’s in their best interest.
by chitsweire on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Highly doubt G'Town is going to care
about losing non-revenue generating matchups in womens’ soccer and lacrosse. Yeah it helps their schedule and recruiting for these sports, but in the scheme of things, this was an empty KA threat. We lose nothing by dropping them from the schedules and they lose very minimal in a GT/MD matchup in sports that don’t really matter.
Only way this works is if there are enough upset alumni who feel slighted that they make it an issue.
Go figure
You are the only one who could possibly find something wrong with this. Get the F—k out of here with your continual negativity towards this schools athletic programs.
you're just so far gone . . .
Anderson went public with this in the fall, so G-town shut talks down. So . . . he goes public again . . . weren’t you the one talking about insanity?
I’d just like to go a full week without having to spit out breakfast cereal when I read how stupid the guys who’s salary I’M PAYING are. As always, I’ll be more than happy to be proved wrong by a MBB series that’s always made sense.
Maybe Kevin figures G-town’s FCS football team sees the Terps as a bunny worth trading b-ball for?
He wasn't referring to football
he was referring to our series with them in lacrosse and womens basketball. Why don’t you look up the facts before you bash him. For once, he has done something that makes perfect sense. If Georgetown can’t grow a set and play us in basketball, then why should we continue to play nice with them in other sports?
It is a little overreaction? Maybe. But maybe a little overreaction is needed. The series needs to continue, it is in the interest of both Universities to do so. This is KAs way of enabling it to happen since NOTHING else was working.
actually G-town was sitting down with KA this past fall,
until he went public and threw them under the bus.
I’m assuming you’re intentionally misunderstanding my joke about football.
As you can see if you look anyplace, UMD stands to benefit more than G-town, needs the game more than G-town, and could easily stop standing on ceremony, fight for a revenue split at Verizon and call it “neutral.” You’d think there’s be a TV payday to sweeten the pot.
But you have to get G-town to AGREE. Yipping in public isn’t putting any real pressure on THEM, but it IS putting it on KA who will look like a fool (well, a bigger fool) when there’s no deal. Presumably G-town’s admins see that, too.
by dmor20 on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You are exactly right DMOR
The chance of this happening now just went from 20% to 0%
both KA haters agreeing with each other?
say it aint so.
Anyways, dmor, I see your point but this series isn’t going to happen unless Georgetown steps up to the plate. You can see it as KA screwing up relations and making it worse, or you can view it as KA calling them out as being a bunch of pansies for being afraid to play MD at home.
Most of us choose to see the second view, as this is really on Georgetown for not wanting it to happen rather than MD. All we want is a home and home, which is the norm for most teams around the country. Georgetown is afraid to play MD at Comcast, plain and simple.
:-)
well, you know WaPo, the Sun, Georgetown’s admin (the only ones who matter really since UMD would blow an elephant to get this game), and almost every person not on this board agrees with me on this one (and on Rockin’ Randy). But you can call people names if it makes you feel better.
I’d just like to watch Terp MBB win, and the UMD Athletic Dept. go a few days without self-immolating. Do you get tired of calling people “haters” and then finding out their right, again?
I think your the only one who is against a lot of the stuff
outside of the KA, RE issues, I’m pretty sure a lot of the stuff is just you blindly hating anything that comes out of the athletic department.
Anyways, how about we just agree to just ignore each other? Nothing is going to change.
Call us what you will
But KAs strategy so far has been juvenile and really only appeals to the pre-adolescent male who wants to get whipped up into a frenzy of distaste for the other school…..
So far our AD
1) Has prematurely gone to the media about the very preliminary meetings
2) Essentially called Gtown “chicken” for not playing us
3) Finally, told Gtown, through the media again, that he is picking up his ball and taking it home with him
So, I would say the deal is essentially DOA at this point…..quite frankly, it never appeared that Gtown was very interested anyway, and if UMD wont do the deal because of a home/ away dispute over the Verizon center, then we didnt want the game that badly either….
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt we give Home status to Notre Dame last year in a football game that was almost 200 yds from campus?
by TerpfanMA on Feb 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm taking the same stance with you as dmor
I’m just going to start ignoring your posts, and you can ignore mine. We’ll never agree on anything, so there is no use in arguing back and forth. It is to the point where I agreed with you in another thread and you came back blasting me for it, so just leave it.
see... KA isn't all bad.
somebody had to do it.
two non-conference schools. money to go around. energize the area into being interested in both schools. i Like.
YOW
At least KA had some b****, trying this strategy. GT needs MD more than MD needs GT.
Yow never woulda triyed this. Don’t know why GT would pass on this. So much revenue for both BB teams. ESPN will be all over this, so both teams will gain even more NATIONAL coverage.
The 1993 game was at the " CAP CENTER ", It ran long, delaying the start of a WV football game live on TV. I was a bartender at the time in WV. those hicks were pissed, because they couldn’t see theis ERRS play 5 min.s of the 1st qrt. Not smart enough to watch a classic basketball game, and two future stars in SMITH, BOOTH. Was great
by PADGE on Feb 20, 2012 2:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like it
I’m not sure how important the non-revenues angle actually is to them, but I like this as a move to get the conversation started on equal footing. Now let’s just hope that KA can actually close this deal without us getting screwed. The fans would be happy just having a game at all, but the school won’t profit from a 2-1 situation.
I’m thinking that this won’t happen immediately though. People on the other side are just too stuck up right now, and seeing us in our current struggling state isn’t very appealing to them. Give it 2-3 years once we’ve returned on the scene, then revisit and see what they think of us.
We really need to get back to the days where we have some home-home series with a big time school again. Hopefully Turge pulls us out of the BB&T and gets something like this done, whether it be Georgetown or whoever.
I Am Cool With This
By having KA go public with this it tells any and all potential recruits for basketball that GTown is nothing but a bunch of crybaby pussies. As far as the 2-1 deal goes, if he told Pedophile St, I mean, Penn State to get bent on a 2 for 1 in football I am sure as hell he will tell JTIII to eat it regarding the same in basketball. After Cuse and Pitt are gone, GTown will need us way more than ever due to the loss of losing two marquee games that are guaranteed to fill the seats. I can’t see them filling up the phone booth for Boise State, Air Force, Houston or even San Diego State.
Dreaming of a unique neutral site game...
UNC got to play on the deck of an aircraft carrier. What if UMD and G’town faced off on a court erected at the National Mall to kick off the season?
by TerpsRising on Feb 20, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
If there's not a hoop mounted on the side of the Washington Monument for a neutral game...
… they’re doing it wrong.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Logistics of this are near impossible
if’s hard to build a court and stands with enough seats on a flat surface…think about it…a big portion of their revenue is ticket sales and this would just cut into that. The huge costs to put up enough seats needed would prevent it from being profitable.
Sell the broadcast rights to ESPN for a value equal to filling up one of the home arenas.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Inauguration? How do they fund that?
And they have to set up, what I would imagine is an equal number of seats, bleachers, and hullabaloo!
Inauguaration
is probably just as important as a MD-GT basketball game right?
Honestly I’d be more fired up to watch that game than an inauguration
As a Gtown fan
a little hesitant to wade in here because this a good blog and I don’t to degenerate into trolling. I want the game to happen. I think it would be great for both sides, it help keep DMV talent home and adds a marquee game to each side no matter which one is up or down in a season. And I would even be ok if Gtown went to comcast once to pay back for the cap center game. But moving forward it has to be at verizon, split the tix 50/50, alternate “home teams.” Zero benefit for Gtown to go to comcast (would rather play Duke, UCLA or Kansas for that type of big OOC game). I harp on this a lot, but MD has 5x the undgrads, prolly 10x the alums (concentrated in the DMV) and the entire state of maryland. In contrast Gtowns alum are spread out over the county. It would be impossible to make verizon a home game for us.
But you wearing purely terp glasses if you think this move will at all increase the odds of a game. This heavy-handed move looks more like good internal PR to distract from problems with the Edsall hire, which to an outsider still looks like the worst descicion in a long time, and a down year for MBB while you transition over to Turg. What is Gtown going to do – say ok Maryland, you got us we need to play you in WSCOR and LAX. Our folks would be livid. And now that its public it leaves little way for either side compromise without looking they “caved.” I think the game should happen, just don’t get this move.
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 8:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
As a MD fan...
I could care less what you think
by 7YearGrad on Feb 20, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think this is probably the most reasonable mutually beneficial solution I've seen yet
Truth is, you’re right. Terp fans would probably easily outsell Hoya fans at the phone booth – and we all know the secondary market would help sort that out. The issue is seemingly revenue – whether G’town is being bitchy about wanting to keep it all, or UMD is being bitchy about needing/wanting more.
Do this one for the fans: Split ticket allocation. Split revenue. Eliminate all points to bitch about. Host it at a venue that is equidistant to both (I would wager that the distance from each campus is within 1 or 2 miles of each other). You remove all pretense of one administration “winning”.
To me, this reeks more of KA’s desperation rather than any attempt at reflecting any modicum of testicular fortitude. Hope it works, but I could easily see G’town’s admin calling for another spot o tea and saying “Suck a Hoya”
by abaek on Feb 20, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
great move by KA (not often said)
Just curious: where would a place equidistant be? Catholic? Just play @ Verizon and split the $$$.
Why would two DC schools play at a crappy arena in Baltimore? Sounds like a recipe for gridlock on I-95…
by terpapins on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
They're supposedly building a new arena in Baltimore that is going to be top-notch.
Part of the plan for that arena is to get Maryland to play there every year.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
0% Chance
We’d ever play a “home” game in your arena. Schedule a true home and home with us or else don’t bother. Make no mistake, we will take over the Verizon Center, but aren’t the teams from the Big Bad East supposed to crush the poor lil ACC schools no matter what?
Then don't bother
That is kind of the point from a gtown perspective. And having KA going public like this will only make it less likely. Unless there is room to compromise, then Gtown is probably better off doing home and home with Duke, UCLA, Kansas Florida, Michigan types.
I want the teams to play, I think the series would be great, and each team would probably win about half the games. There would be instant hate – stuck-up hoyas, couch burning college parkers. who wouldn’t want that.
And this has nothing to do with ACC versus BE. ACC is a fantastic BB conference – maybe just has not had the depth recently of some past years. Having Wake, G. Tech, NC State and BC all crater in recently has not helped. But BE is lucky to be a conference at all moving forward, so real hard for the BE to take the high road.
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cowardly
Saying you’re better off with home & homes with UF and Duke is sidestepping the elephant in the room: you’re STILL ducking your natural geographical rival with these BS false claims that you’ve got better things to do than come play us. We Terps WANT to go to McDonough, Verizon, Mars, wherever, just to get a piece of your overrated program that hasn’t won squat since 1984. Maryland WANTS to go into the belly of the beast, you don’t, and whatever rhetorical garbage you spew about why you won’t come here is just an excuse. You’ll only play us on your terms, not fair terms. So go play at dook and lose by 20. It doesn’t change anything. We step up to the plate over and over again with a fair 50-50 deal, and you run away from it. It doesn’t really matter what you say. The actions speak louder.
I really want to see a true home and home in this series,
because playing Georgetown in Comcast would be huge. That kind of atmosphere for an OOC game would be unbelievable and it would instantly become one of the biggest games of the year. I can understand where Georgetown fans are coming from though; no doubt if it was home and home, Georgetown would be playing two away games and it would probably be pretty demoralizing in a way for the players to have to play the “home” part of the series in a gym filled with MD fans. I still don’t think Maryland should go for the home and “home” at Verizon though, cause that isn’t fair to us either. If anything they should do a Verizon-Baltimore alternating series, but I would love to get at least one game at Comcast, the atmosphere would be unreal.
Oh, and as far as not winning anything since 1984...
Georgetown went to the final four in 2007, and has made NCAAs 5 of the past 6 years, and is looking to go again this year. Whereas it looks like this will be our second straight year missing the tournament, so we can’t really talk there.
Is making the tournament the standard?
We went to 2 final fours and won a natty this century, they haven’t. This guy is talking like they’re UNC. They aren’t. It’s a good program, not a great one. They believe they have the high ground in negotiations against Maryland because they’re some kind of elite program. I disagree. Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Syracuse – those are elite programs, not Georgetown.
Georgetown is every bit as elite as Syracuse,
they’ve been to more final fours, and more recently, and each have won one national title. Initially I thought they were thinking they had the higher ground and could bully us into a 2-1, but now I don’t think they so much believe they have the higher ground as just not seeing what would really be in it for them to schedule a home and home, when their fan base would get up for a home and home with Duke, UNC, Michigan, more so than for us (not to mention, those games would be more of a home game than any game against us would be). They may not be UNC or Kentucky, but they’re pedigree is at least as good as ours is.
by terps3 on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, terps3, you really like Georgetown
What’s in it, is that a home and home is good for the sport, the schools, the region, and the fans. Why is it Maryland’s problem that they’re a smaller school? They should grant Florida 1-1’s but not Maryland? Why? A game with Maryland has much more intrigue, emotional value, recruiting significance and geographical interest.
Haha, I'm just trying to be objective,
and while this game would have more intrigue and emotional value for Maryland students and fans, it probably wouldn’t be the same for the Georgetown fanbase. Chances are their fanbase would get up more for a home and home with a program like Duke than for us. It would definitely have recruiting significance, but I think that could hurt them as much as it would help with local prospects. I want this to happen, I think it would be great for Maryland and I realllly don’t want to have every game played at Verizon and don’t think we should, but I can understand why Georgetown is hesitant.
by terps3 on Feb 20, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A 1-1 with Florida
is a 1-1 with Florida. You can’t agree to a home/home when you’re going to essentially be playing in two road games. Make it 1-1-1 with the third game in Verizon with the tickets split between the schools 50/50. At least that vaguely makes it worthwhile for GT (2 semi home games vs 1 road).
Verizon ...
…is not our home court and it’s not a home game. Never was, never will be. 2 games at Verizon against G’town is two road games. It’s 2-1. End of story.
Why are you so angry?
Who cares whether it’s our home court? We play in the BB&T classic every year against Non-DC teams who don’t cry about having to play us in a pseudo home game.
When you’re represented 70/30 in any stadium, its a home atmosphere. Make the concession here and end these stupid empty threats by KA. Wow, losing a GLax matchup is going to be devastating for the Georgetown program. Pretty sure they could schedule games with any other program in the DMV
It's not anger, it's general principle
They get a home game, we get a home game. A 1-2 deal is demeaning. It’s demeaning even to ask for it. They tried the same crap with the cap center, trying to claim it isn’t a home game when that’s where they play all their games. Their ability to draw is not our problem. If they want to invite us to McDonough, let’s go. It’ll be all Georgetown fans. Fine, pretty sure Turge’ll have us ready to scrap. Georgetown does not want to accept Maryland as a peer, so they run from us under the ridiculous excuse that the arena they play all their big home games at is not actually their home court. That’s BS. I’m fine with 1-1-1 with the third game in Baltimore or Nova or or wherever. I’m fine with 1-1. I’m not fine with 1-2. Maryland basketball shouldn’t do 1-2 ever for anyone as far as I’m concerned. This is a no-brainer. It’s insulting to even ask us for 1-2 as a starting negotiating point. They feel insulted by KA’s stance? Too bad, they insult us every time they try to pitch their home arena as if it’s a neutral site. I’m glad we’re taking a hard line. I am not a KA fan but I like him more because of this.
In 2 years
We aren’t going to need this game at all. I don’t think we need particularly need it now, but it’s something that would be fun for the fans. When your conference slate soon has you playing powerhouses like Navy and Boise St., you will need this game more than us. You can’t even fill Verizon when UCONN or Nova comes to town, how are you going to fill it for TCU?
We’re going to get plenty of marquee games at Comcast when the ACC is back on top in 2014. Until then, enjoy losing on the first weekend of the tournament.
i hear you on your terp point of view
And I get the frustration that a game that would objectively make sense has not happend.
But Verizon is not the belly of the beast. Its more like comcast ver 0.8. Its an oversized (for Gtown) professional arena where we are 3rd/4th tenant and that you play in routinely (BB & T etc). 1st Mariner is not a viable option, would rather play at comcast. I think Terps give up nothing playing at verizon, but I get why you don’t think that.
With Turg you guys are going to be fine. And TCU spurned the the BE for the Big-12. So we got BE problems playing UCF and SMU and Houston.
And FLA Terp. Its not that Gtown is elite (we are a solid top 15 program right now) – but those schools offer us a much bigger bang for the OOC buck than does Maryland. That is my point.
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand how little of a homecourt advantage you have
I’ve been to a few Gtown games at verizon…you can hear a pin drop it’s so quiet in there. But your suggestion that we play a “home” game at your own arena is absurd. Maybe the best thing we could do would be to make a neutral game every year, have it at verizon, and split the tickets and the revenue down the middle.
In reality, MD fans would probably eat up 60-70% of the seats and it would be in our favor, but it would still atleast make for a decently fair neutral site game. What do you think about that?
I would be all for that
But this KA move made that much less likely in the near term.
And I mispoke if I implied that Gtown should be the home team for every game at verizon, that is not fair either. Ideal solution would be for us to get the on campus convocation center built (8,000 seats like cameron) – but that aint happening thank to our wonderful Gtown neighbors.
Wish you guys could have kept Justin Anderson with the switchover. Hope you end up with the Harrion twins.
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No
You said home and home series ONLY at verizon. i.e. there is 0% chance we’d agree to playing you on your home court while calling it a home game for us.
I still meant split tix 50/50
Just meant alternating who wears the light jerseys and who wears the dark
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Deal ...
…except how bout we do it at Comcast every year instead? You guys get half the revenue and get to wear your home jerseys every other year. Cool?
I deserved that, im posting on a terp blog
Look i like the maryland program, gary got results doing things the right way. Call us cowardly, but we have a better chance of keeping home court with UCla and duke rather than UMD. Until that gets ironed out, not scheduling us in anything else just entrenches each side.
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By the way
The Bunk is definitely a public school guy. He’d be on our side here.
True- he would
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by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I was saying earlier.
Verizon, while ostensibly GT’s “home court” really wouldn’t be if a game was played there. To shut both administrations up, literally split it 50/50 – ticket distribution and revenue. Let’s be honest, it’s a short metro ride for both schools. So you have more Terps fans at GT “home” game and the true home game at Comcast. What’s not to like about that scenario?
KA’s running it, that’s what. :P
Here's what I don't get
If you play UMd at VC, you guys get a full building with all the ticket revenue. Why would GT pass that up? To play in front of 10K against Florida?
You could sell 18K tickets against UMd. So why not? Afraid of people wearing red t-shirts and making noise? They’re adding HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS to your athletic department, and let’s face it, it’s still a game you’re probably gonna win.
I don’t get GT fans adopting such an inferiority complex about playing on their own home court. You guys make the cash!!!!
Make it a 1-1-1, and you get a full gate from VC every third year and half the gate every third year. This seems such a no-brainer from a financial level I can’t understand why GT won’t get on-board. We’re trying to help you make about half-a-mil in one night two out of every three years!
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I think 1-1-1 was the original proposal by G'town with the 1st and 3rd at VC.
Even with revenue sharing, MD’s problem with it is it looks like a 2-1 with us being the “junior partner”.
If we get 50% of the gate, do it at VC
We’ll have more fans there, anyway. $$$ pay the bills, not worrying about whether GT wins a P.R. battle.
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this is where I think talks were heading
because of the that very reason -strong financial incentive for both sides. Still hope it works out, but looks less likely today than a month ago
by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
A 1-1-1
with the third game on a neutral site would probably be best for all parties involved. Are you guys that afraid of coming to Comcast that you’ll only take the games if they’re played at Verizon? That gives MD no incentive financially to commit to this since GT would get all the revenue. Even if the revenue was split it is a pretty shitty deal IMO.
“We’ll only play you if you come to our court, because we’re too afraid to come play at your court.” Seriously, that is what this comes off as to me.
I hear you
and if I was in your shoes I would make the same point – there is a lot of validity to it. With the 1-1-1 – the revenue for the last one would be split 50/50 so the goal would be to make it financially even for both sides. The only point I would quibble is afraid, under JTIII (unlike his pops) Gtown will play just about anyone anywhere (e.g. Duke, Mizzou, Bama, Memphis) in the last couple of years.
There is a just a lot of history and egos on both sides to overome. Hope the series starts up at some point. Just the fact that this post gets so many comments shows how strong a rivalary it could be.
My only issue was KA going public pushed the sides farther apart – If he wanted to put pressure he should have taken the high road – e.g. “We have had discussions and we look forward to a day when we can announce the resumption of what is going to be a great rivalary in the region. There are some logistical hurdles remaining but my hope is both sides can set aside past history and work toward scheduling a game in the near term.” That would put the onus squarely on us to respond.
by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That may be true
but if there was almost no hope to begin with, as it has been the past 20 or so years, then at some point you need to end talks and just straight up call somebody out who is being unreasonable. This appears to me, and most people, that GT is just plain afraid to have a home and home because they don’t want MD fans to take over Verizon in one game, and then come to Comcast the next year. That onus falls squarely on GT for having more of a national fanbase than a local one, and isn’t a fault of MD.
Claiming you’d rather to go Duke or Kentucky so you can get blown out is just dumb. In MD you get a local rival that is going to sell out both arenas every time, and you get competition that you have a better chance at competing against.
Just felt like
The decks were finally clear with both JtIi and Gw out of the picture. KA comments sent it back to square one. I agree its our issue our homecourt is less of a homecourt than yours, but both sides have to compromise for a game to happen and the homecourt concern was the biggest hurdle. If KA wanted the game, this was not the way to get it done.
And again, I quibble with the word afraid. Under JTIII we play anyone and win a lot of big games. Split with duke during the last serries. Beat memphis both times, beat mizzou in missouri last year This year lost final possession games on the rosd to cuse and in maui to kansas. I am confident we would beat florida and ucla at home. Kenutcky is tuff, but they are tuff for anyone. Georgetown is not an easy out against anyone. We have been in the top 10 every year for the past 6 years. Gtown is solid, but so is maryland which why it would be a great series. On well.
We come at from two sides, but i do wish maryland luck. Love len and faust. Stogs can be amazing but he would give me an ulcer.
by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well
“There you go. Givin’ a F when it ain’t your turn to give a F.” he he he
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by bball purist on Feb 20, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
That's where you lose me
I certainly understand that Georgetown doesn’t have a great homecourt advantage.
But whose fault is that? Georgetown. (I get that it is a smaller school with a more national student body, but the point remains—those reasons are attributed to Georgetown and Georgetown alone).
And now, Georgetown is asking Maryland to agree to a deal that masks Georgetown’s deficiencies. Why should Maryland have to pay for Georgetown’s lack of homecourt advantage? If you want Verizon to be packed with Georgetown fans—find a way to get more fans—that problem needs to be solved by Georgetown, not by Maryland.
I should add
that I don’t think you, specifically, are being unreasonable (or supporting unreasonable demands).
I would like a 1-1-1 arrangement with the following wrinkle: the neutral site game rotates between Verizon and Baltimore.
Thus, it would look like this:
Year One: At Maryland (Comcast)
Year Two: At Georgetown (Verizon)
Year Three: Neutral (Verizon)
Year Four: At Maryland (Comcast)
Year Five: At Georgetown (Verizon)
Year Six: Neutral (in Baltimore)
Repeat.
This is basically the 1-1-1 arrangement, but it gives Maryland a bit more advantage than would a 1-1-1 wherein the neutral site is always Verizon, which would amount to giving Georgetown effective home games (in all but profits) 2 out of 3 years.
I like that
or the Mall idea mentioned above.
by bunk moreland on Feb 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I like bshock's idea too.
Bball on the Mall in December in Washington sounds a lot less appetizing than a carrier deck in San Diego.
my only problem with that
is the Baltimore game. Honestly, it’s a good idea to get the baltimore area crowd, but realistically it’ll just be weird with GTown, and UMD…two DC teams playing in Baltimore…
A home and "home" only at Verizon is ridiculous
What do you think about a home and home, with a neutral site in the third year (Baltimore??). I think that has been the most logical solution that has been proposed so far. If Georgetown is scared to play a legit out of conference game, then that says loads about the confidence of their coach in there team.
This move does make MD look a little desparate.
Also it sort of backs G’town into a corner, which may make them LESS likely to agree to scheduling us because it would look like they were caving in. I think continuing behind the scenes “diplomacy” might have been a better way to go.
Only if a sale exclusive to the “Hoyas Unlimited” booster club can sell out. (Otherwise, there’s no way to tell a Hoya buyer from a Terp buyer) They could still resell those tickets though…
So-called “paperless ticketing” prevents resale…. but it’s generally an annoying practice that everyone hates.
One (not-foolproof) strategy would be to make tickets only onsale in person on Georgetown’s campus.
This is normal for bowl games
but the school becomes responsible for selling the tickets. Georgetown has to “buy” the tickets from Verizon and sell them only to their fan base. That is how Clemson lost like $400k or so on ticket sales at the Orange Bowl, there fan base did not buy enough tickets.
So, that becomes a liability, and from what I can see GT is all about eliminating any chance of a liability in this series.
for what it is worth
I appreciate you giving at least one version of the gtown fan view of this despite the above comment.
by tERP01 on Feb 20, 2012 2:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hey, Georgetown...
…schedule GW (barely a mile away from your campus) in men’s and women’s basketball (something you haven’t dared to do in decades), then get back to us.
Is there any way to have a 1-1-1 with the thrid game being neutral site in an early season tournament?
Like if both teams agreed to do the Puerto Rico Tip-off
Or make it old school. Winner stays on
School that wins the game hosts the following year. Determine first game host by coin flip. KA and whoever GT’s admin is. Coin flip in SE at midnight
by abaek on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
+1000000000
Will never happen, but would be the easiest solution to this dick-waving that’s been going on for such a long time.
Look
This is all so simple it’s stupid. GT is afraid to play us in a traditional home and home. They know what will happen when that game is at Verizon— MD fans will take over. We don’t need to bend over backwards and give up ground to make this game happen.
I love what KA is saying, play us fairly in a true home and home or we aren’t playing you at all. MD does not need this game more than GT needs it, our fanbase might want it more, but our Athletic Dept. does not need it more. In 2 years we’ll have a home schedule with 2-3 of Dook, UNC, Cuse, Pitt, etc etc. GT will have Boise State and Navy. Good luck with that.
Play us straight up or not at all.
Straight up.
I agree. I don’t like any sport, any school, any situation where teams don’t go home and home. I hate that Maryland pays Towson to come in and get knocked around and doesn’t go back to Towson the next. I hate that Boise State can’t get a home and home with any decent team other than Oregon (props to Oregon for agreeing to play the series).
Either play a true neutral game half-way between the campuses or play home and home. If that’s too damn complicated, then the teams just shouldn’t play.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
But when we take over VC, they get all the money
Why would GT’s athletic department see that as a bad thing? All those red t-shirt wearing UMd fans just gave his department a whole lot of money.
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Inferiority Complex
They don’t want their “home” game to expose how small their fanbase is compared to that lowly public school out in College Park.
play at McDonough Gym
and charge $200 per ticket. MD will still take over the gym!!!
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by bball purist on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
So UMD
Just added $000s to the travel budget of our teams in a cash strapped environment and there is still no mens bball game with Gtown! Sounds like a good move
How is money
not allocated for playing G’Town magically spent when we do not, in fact, play G’Town. Please tell me you weren’t a business major.
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What terpfan means is...
LAX and women’s Bball will have to find another opponent than G’town to put in their schedules which is almost certainly going to be farther away, therefore more $$$ in travel costs.
Or you just schedule a local patsy?
WBB and Lax don’t need to sched G’Town to boost any sort of OOC schedule rankings
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You know, I just realized something.
Since Syracuse is coming to the ACC, LAX and Women’s Bball (as well as Men’s Bball and everybody else) are going to be adding ‘cuse to their schedules whether we play G’town or not. ‘Cuse is going to more than make up for the absence of G’town, especially in LAX and BBall. So we really don’t need them anyway. I wonder if this was a move by KA to scuttle the original idea of a home and home with G’town (since we’ll have less room in our schedules) and make it look like it’s G’town’s fault.
I think he is smarter than his actions have dictated
Specifically for that reason though? I’m not sure. I think this was to call out GT for there ridiculous handling of the situation. They’re essentially demanding that we only come play in there sandbox because they think that ours is too scary for them.
I don't think Kevin went public to scuttle a GT series. I think its a tactical move to deal with an impasse.
The schools have too much history with the non-revenues to think that talks have completely broken down. Both schools have should have interest in coming to an agreement. We are dealing with Debbie’s financial legacy and GT is losing Big East bball and non-revenue team arrangements with Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU.
Personally, the series isn’t as attractive to me as it was before the ACC picked up Syracuse and Pitt. Plus, NOVA and WVU are good OOC options.
I agree that "tactical move to deal with an impasse"
is the obvious rationale. I was just looking for something more nefarious. I guess 20+ years of dealing with my mother-in -law has warped my perception.
Yeah, I wasn't very explicit myself.
I just don’t think this is about a series that will fill Comcast every other year and cut down on travel costs for the away games. NOVA and WVU fans would fill any available seats at a Comcast game and those away games are day trips. I think Maryland wants more from a series with G’Town, particularly increasing Terrapin Club membership and selling more season tickets. On the reasonable expectation that Mark will be bringing in higher-profile recruits and UMD-G’Town becomes a featured national game, I wouldn’t be surprised if the issue is something like the number of guaranteed seats at Verizon put under the control of UMD and the distribution of those revenues
At the end of the day, it seems to be pretty straightforward.
GT wants Verizon Center to be treated as a neutral court, even though it is their “home court” at all other times. No way UMD is going to agree to that. I think this whole idea is Dead on Arrival.
If we get half the gate, they can call it anything they want.
We’d get half the gate at a game that will sell 18 thousand tickets and is 10 miles from campus. The vast majority of the crowd will be wearing red no matter whose “home” game it is. There’s just too much $$$ left on the table to walk away from this over what gets called a “neutral” venue. This benefits Maryland – the “neutral” venue will be packed with UMd fans. What’s not to like? GT usually plays its home games there? Who cares? It won’t be a home crowd for them, that’s for sure.
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Let's do a 1-1-1
With the neutral in China. Hahahah
by CurrentTerp3 on Feb 20, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's the lack of another viable arena
I wish GT had their own on campus arena (besides tiny McDonough). It would make so much more sense to do a home and home. If Gtown didn’t play home games at Verizon then I believe they would be more open to doing a neutral site game there. Other than that there is no where else I say we just play it at the Armory fuck it I just wanna see the game.
Gtown will come crawling to us when the BE is largely irrelevant in a few years
and Turge has us going deep in the dance on the regular. I’m tired of waiting for the scared preppies, all DMV kids now know who’s running from who. Gtown might end up in hoop obscurity like GW in a few years, so maybe all of this hand-wringing is for naught.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 20, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Screw Georgetown
Who the hell cares if MD plays Gtown in any sport? Really, besides basketball, what do they bring to the table? Averge in lacrosse, women’s bball and baseball. Who cares? Let them play in the Big Least/MidWest/South/Texas Conference.
Now I see...
Georgetown can’t even hang with Seton Hall… Why would they want to play us every year?
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