Terps Collapse in Second Half, Virginia Cruises to 71-44 Win
by Ben Broman on Feb 18, 2012 3:27 PM EST
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Print"Tale of Two Halves" doesn't begin to describe what just happened in Charlottesville. Maryland went to #22 Virginia and matched them step for step in the first half, draining seven three-pointers and taking a 31-31 tie into halftime. And then they self-destructed.
Virginia started off on a 16-2 run in the second half, jumping out to a huge lead that would only grow as the game went on. Maryland's second half was arguably the worst twenty minutes of basketball I've watched this year: in the second period the Terrapins shot 5-24 from the field and turned the ball over 12 times, scoring only 13 points. Virginia? They scored 40. It. Was. Brutal.
The Cavaliers, for their part, continued strong offensive play, but largely this was a game lost by Maryland's complete and utter inability to do anything on the offensive end, which was so strange given the lights-out first-half performance. For the advanced stats geeks out there, Maryland's first half efficiency was 102. At the end of the game, it was 70. That's an almost unfathomable drop.
In the end, Mike Scott manhandled Maryland's front line, finishing with 25 points, while Terrell Stoglin was held scoreless in the second half, and Virginia coasted to an all-too-easy 71-44 victory.
I'm a bit numbed by the turn of events, and I'm not sure how much analysis can be done. The obvious thing you can say about Maryland is that they shot the cover off the ball in the first half - 7-13 from outside, including two from Nick Faust - and didn't in the second, going 0-6 from deep. There wasn't much difference in the shot quality; Maryland just doesn't have a team of snipers, and was never likely to keep hitting upwards of 50% from deep no matter how open they might've been.
It's the calculated gamble made every game by Tony Bennett and his pack line defense. The pack line is notoriously difficult to break down, and often times the best shot will be on the outside (defenders play far off the player who doesn't have the ball, so a quick rotation can result in an open look). But for a team like Maryland, which is average at best from deep, doing that risky.
Thing is, Maryland's offense really doesn't have much else to go to. We've known this all year. Not only is there only one real scorer on the team (Stoglin), there's no point guard and there's little in the way of offensive rhythm. It takes a well-oiled machine to break down Virginia's defense. Maryland is most certainly not that, and we saw them run into a buzzsaw in the second half when those shots stopped falling.
The other fatal flaw exposed by today's game might've been the frontcourt. On the first mark, you saw Mike Scott walk all over Maryland's bigs, doing more or less whatever he wanted. The best answer, ironically, was Sean Mosley, but even he was only of limited effectiveness (unsurprisingly, because he was giving up four inches). On the other end, Maryland has no frontcourt player of their own to create mismatches, and certainly no one to simply look to score. James Padgett can put up buckets in a garbageman fashion, which everyone loves, but Ashton Pankey and Alex Len are as of yet unable to complement that with a real post-up game. That's one of the very few ways you can look to get points against almost any defense, and Maryland has almost nothing there.
I'm not making an excuse, but I do think it's worthwhile to provide some context in regards to scheduling. Maryland had 38 hours in-between the end of the Boston College game late Thursday night and the start of the Virginia game on Saturday afternoon - on the road, no less. Virginia, on the other hand, played their last game on Tuesday and has had a full three days of rest. Maryland's already a thin team, and while their collapse can be contributed to quite a bit of their own doing, fatigue played into it too. I'm not sure why the ACC thought that would be a fair fight. (At least switch the home/away, guys.)
Anyway, I come away from today a bit more dismayed than I expected to be about the state of Maryland basketball. There's obviously still a long way to go for this bunch. That said, I'll make two personnel notes before I leave you: first of all, I continued to be impressed by Nick Faust, even when looking at the entire game. Faust's first half was great (second-leading scorer on the team with nine points) and he continues to look more confident every game. That said, he's not a point guard, and the second half proved that definitively. Some were starting to feel comfortable with Nick as a backup option at the point, and this is a reminder as to why something like that should be avoided. More than anything else, he needs to work on his loose handle; he dribbles with the ball far too far from his body, and it gets him into trouble, especially against pesky guards that he's facing now at the point. He can be a terror on the wing, but on the ball he's really hit-or-miss.
(To a lesser extent, I was also encouraged by Mychal Parker. Spot duty, sure, but I'm seeing more out of him.)
The other note is on Terrell Stoglin, who was lights-out in the first half and struggled in the second. He's a monster off the ball, as we know, but he needs an offense functioning around him to be at his best. In the second half that wasn't there, and he often looked to make things happen on his own, with occasionally disastrous results. Virginia is all about helping out on defense and he wasn't able to get anything off the dribble, which frustrated him and in turn led to more poor shots. It's tough to watch, but at the same time you got the feeling that Stoglin finding his zone was the only way Maryland would score in the second half. Again, a true point would be fantastic for Stoglin, especially because it'd let Faust be more effective on the wing.
Enjoy what's left of your weekend. I hope the last hour wasn't too painful for you.
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Gary Williams
has to take the blame for this year’s team, those are his recruits (except for Len) that is currently on the court.
Turge will need about 2-3 yrs to get it going.
Except for the fact Gary recruited guys who decided not to come after he left (Big man Martin Breunig, Ashton Gibbs, Justin Anderson). What the heck is anyone you supposed to do about that?
JA is still in HS, right? I’m not sure he’d help. And I think you mean Sterling Gibbs
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by John Stephens on Feb 18, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
JWill and Hawk, though JWill left before Gary. Still, Gary was expecting JWill back and had Shaq coming in to replace him. Also need to take into account that Pe’ is out. And despite what was said above, Len was originally a Gary recruit.
Uh
Wasn’t Len and Shaq (I assume you’re talking about Shaquille Cleare) both recruits of Gary’s?
Um
Think that’s what I said. “Gary…had Shaq coming in” and “Len was originally a Gary recruit.”
Replace Gary with Turgeon
I thought they were Turge’s recruits?
Gary Willians would have....
won more games with this team than Turg has won. Why? Because he would have started with the defense and made sure we could press effectively. He was a defensive specialist and defense would have won the games. GW flourished with this kind of talent…this team is quick on their feet…at least our front court guys (and Parker). Good defense and full court would have created more turnovers…I could go on and on….but let me make it clear this is not a knock on Turg and it’s all speculation based on years of observation. MT is a good coach and will succeed with his recruits.
by inman74 on Feb 18, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not going there...
…my post was not intended to pass judgment on Turgeon or to make a comparison. I like both coaches. On a team with few scoring options, the focus has to be on stopping the other team from scoring and GW did that best. There were times this year when i thought we needed to change the tempo or the momentum of the opposing team and GW would have zone pressed at half court or full. Obviously, the short bench is a consideration this year….but that does not stop us from going into a zone rather than a man to man…GW did this often. I don’t think I’ve seen us employ a zone defense once this year…which is also another way to prevent fatigue.
When you say...
“Gary William would have won more games with this team than Turg has won” – that’s the definition of a comparison. And a judgement on Turgeon. Both.
I don’t even think Gary Williams believes your statement. This is obviously speculation, but I think part of why Gary left was because he knew the odds were long he was making either tournament with a JWill-less squad, and then he risked the real chance of being forced out after this season. I think he wanted to guarantee he left on his own terms. This season is a reflection of the talent on hand, not Turgeon’s style.
Keep in mind Gary was gone in 2013 anyways....
So it was unlikely he could have done anything before then, wouldn’t be able to recruit without an extension, and probably was not going to extend beyond 2013….so he called it quits when he realized the next few years were futile and would only serve to tarnish his reputation.
Fear the Turgle!
Comparisons can be made w/o passing judgment
If the discussion was Virginia’s coach Bennet and Coach K…would it be possible to compare the style of play without grading the performance? Of course, because I don’t have a stake in the game…but your assumption is that I’m a fan of GW and therefore criticizing Turgeion…not at all. There is a nuance. I like both coaches, but I stick to my premise that GW would have put an emphasis on defense which is how he won most of the time. I’m still evaluating MT…and I like what I see, so far. I don’t always agree, but I’m sure he has a better handle on things than i do.
In fact, I agree with one poster who stated that Turgeon is an upgrade from GW…because Turg’s first hire was basically a recruiter…D. Hill…the guy who has connections in the DC/Balt. area and who is willing to acknowledge the AAU’s participation in local basketball recruiting. Turg is an upgrade and ignoring Wade…GW was an upgrade ove Lefty.
I don't agree that MT is a better coach than GW...
..only time will tell. But I think the retention of Bino was singly his most important move. I suspect we will see a lot of success under MT, albeit not this particular season.
r-hgr
LOL
Mark Turgeon is an upgrade at the Head Coaching position.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
and you’re a downgrade from people with intelligence. Turgeon has a lot to prove before he can be considered an upgrade.
Here's a task for you:
Compare Mark Turgeon’s pre-Terp career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Turgeon
To Gary Williams pre-Terp career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Williams
When all is said and done, we will look at Gary Williams the same way Terp fans have looked at Bud Millikan. Mark Turgeon is an upgrade over Williams.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
So, if Turgeon never achieves what Gary did
you still would consider him an upgrade because of his pre-Terp record? Their records prior to MD might be seen as some sort of indicator, although there are a lot of variables, but it’s what they do at Maryland that counts. Turgeon shows a lot of promise, but he hasn’t proven himself yet.
I was waiting for this post
Gary Williams wouldn’t have lost this game. Um…right.
It’s difficult to press when you have such a short bench.
I love Gary, always will. But there was a reason why he left right after Jordan did. He saw another lean season ahead. He saw all the work that needed to be done and he’d had enough.
Turge will need a few seasons to be judged properly. I said it at the start of the season and I’ll continue to say it.
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Reality approves this message...
Gary knew this team, and his program had fallen. He knew this would be his worst team since the VERY early nineties.
No problem. Reality is reality. We’ll deal with it.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
He confided in you, did he?
Reality is that this team isn’t the team he left with, isn’t the team he intended, and isn’t a team he coached.
Gary left this team...
at an absolute horrible time. One of the reasons Anderson de-committed was because he felt betrayed by Gary Williams, who said he wasn’t going to retire.
Every bad thing that happened after Gary retired, was BECAUSE Gary retired. Every palyer that de-committed, de-committed because of Gary’s timing. JWill left, because Gary couldn’t even recruit his own player, not to go the the NBA, despite a pending lockout, and the clear fact that he wasn’t ready for the NBA. Our team is filled with 2nd string players becuse Gary didn’t stock it with enough 1st string players.
Gary saw the writing on the wall. He KNEW, and we all KNEW, this would be his worst team since the very early nineties.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck
We know you’re not a fan of GW. That’s fine, that’s your opinion. But to say everything that’s happened roster wise is his fault is absurd. If J-will would have come back, Gary would still be here. I’m willing to put money on that. You also say Hawk leaving wasn’t a big deal, I disagree. Granted he’s not the most skilled player or the best athlete, but one more baody this year would have given Turge more options to work with.
Saying Turge is an upgrade coaching wise is a bit premature. Let the man coach for more than 2/3 of a season before you start saying he’s a better coach than Gary “I get the most out of my unheralded players” Williams. Give Turge 2-3 years to get his players and run the team his way and then we can have that discussion.
by terpsallday on Feb 19, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that all is not said...
and done regarding Tugeon being an upgrade. But ultimately, I believe that will prove to be the case. Turge in 13 seasons already has 5 (or is it 6?) 24 win seasons. It took Gary 17 years to get his 3rd 24 win season. Gary’s time at BC and OSU are very over-rated. Very average. Turge is going to average 24-26 wins a season (as opposed to Gary’s 20.5 wins a season). Time will prove Turgeon to be an upgrade. Mark my word on it.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 19, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Can we also refer to him as...
Gary “I get the worst out of my heralded players” Williams?
Gary
It’s a testimony to how much players respected Gary as a coach that so much unfolded when he left. Regardless of when Gary retired, there would be players and recruits who would decommit. The timing was bad, but JWill’s leaving apparently was the breaking point for Gary. From Gary’s comments, he tried hard to convince JWill that leaving was a mistake. I don’t think any coach could have convinced JWill to stay. I’m sure the assistants were also trying to talk him out of it.
So without JWill, the team Gary would have if he didn’t retire would have been Stoglin, Howard, Padgett, Mosley, Pankey, Parker, Weijs, Len, Faust, Hawk, Gibbs, and Breunig. If all met their expectations when recruited, it would be a serviceable team; not championship quality, but at least bubble-worthy, especially with Gary’s ability to coach lesser talents. But shit happens, and Pankey and Howard had season-ending injuries, Mosley and Parker haven’t reached the level expected of them, Hawk showed promise at the end of last season but he left, and incoming hopefuls Gibbs and Breunig decommitted.
One good thing that came out of Gary’s retirement is that we picked up Turgeon.
And that's not good enough...
The team, with Jordan, a college superstar, would be lucky to be a bubble team. And in the grand scheme of things, there would be calls for Gary to retire or be fired. At this point, Gary would have been producing too many mediocre teams. Yes, it was time to retire for Gary, but he should have done it after the season, not mid off-season.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 19, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
You've said yourself...
that Gary’s recruiting was on an upswing. Now you are contradicting yourself. Fact is, you don’t know what would have happened if Gary stayed. You are one of the rare few who do not think Gary was a great coach. Almost nobody agrees with you on that, yet you think by repeating it over and over and over that you are going to convince people otherwise. You are coming off as a bit of a clown, Chuckles.
No, I'm not contradicting myself...
Yes, it appeared he was headed to at least one decent class. A class with Cleare and Anderson. The Faust and Len class would have been good too, though I don’t know too much about Gibbs and Bruenig.
Whatever the case, we would still be looking at a major rebuilding project. And Gary would not put another competitive team on the court any sooner than Turge will. When you add it up, we would be looking at at least two (counting this year) more sub-par teams under Gary. Added to his very spotty eight years, and it was time to move on.
He had let the program fall so far for so long, I’d rather start anew. And getting Turge to take over is all the better. There is no contradiction in my thinking or in the things I’ve said.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 19, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
And I will add...
that Terp fans are being a lot more patient with Turge over this poor team, than they would have with Gary Williams. Turge inherrited this team. Gary BUILT this team. There would be a full scale revolt right now if Gary Williams was coaching this team.
And we would not be involved with half the recruits we are involved with right now if Gary was coach too. So, the future would not appear quite as bright as it appears now.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 19, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm looking forward to the rematch
I was less impressed with Virginia than disappointed in Maryland’s second half effort. But this was Virginia’s last win before the NIT pairings are announced.
Virginia
Is probaly going to the NCAA tournament
by hisaoawesome on Feb 18, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
We will win the rematch
Yes, looking forward to the game in College ParK. Fatigue was the factor in the second half. Those turnovers by Faust were brought on by fatique…anyone who’s played the game knows that. When all engines are hummin’ we can stay with anyone in our league…got to remember, we are only playing 8 guys and one is not very effective on either end…Weijs.
Can we all agree...
That our inside team…can either
1. not catch a pass
2. catch it and then dribble long enough for the defense to take it away
3. catch it and stand there waiting for the defense to block their shot
4. or if they do get off a shot…miss miserably
why should stoglin ever pass it inside???
Agree 100%
The loss of JWill has hurt us badly, but losing Hawk is almost as bad.
by Snappin Terp on Feb 18, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hawk did very little last year
I don’t understand how losing Hawk is remotely like losing Jordan Williams.
Three years from now...
you, and me, and everyone else will not even remember who “Hawk” is.
http://www.terrapinstats.com/bb/profile.cfm?playerid=383
Please stop with the “Hawk” stuff. Not even a factor on last years team, which didn’t even make it to the NIT.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
And we'd all be lamenting...
how bad he was at everything else. I hate the star system, but he was a prototypical two star recruit. I think we are better off in the long run without him. The scholarship can go to good use now.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Palsson was second-string on his high school team.
Insofar as Breunig and Gibbs are concerned, just look at what they’ve done at Texas and Washington.
Hawk was 6th man on a top-notch HS team
and his coach had a lot of praise for him, saying he would start on just about any other team. He didn’t have a lot of playing time as a freshman with Gary, but started to look promising at the end of the season. He seemed to be the only one who could get a pass in to JWill in a couple of the games.
As far as Breunig and Gibbs are concerned, both are freshmen so not much should be expected of them this year.
On a different note...
Please keep Faust from trying to dribble or shoot 3’s
You might think I was un-impressed with this game.
I just threw up a little in my mouth...
After utter paralysis after the second half collapse, the only thing I can say is it will NEVER be just about Stoglin having to knock down shots when we start going cold. Give a few other players as many shots and they will rack up a few more points too. This team and next years, must find a way to run an offense AS A TEAM. I am tired of hearing “well no one else can score, so Stoglin had to take 53 shots”. That obviously does not work as we have not pulled out a win against a quality opponent in ACC play, especially down the stretch in the second half of games. We need to have some sort of offensive sets to run and stick to them. Play offense as a team and have a lot more movement off the ball. We get lazy and frustrated. We should have the conditioning to play two twenty minute halves, they are D1 athletes. Why we insist on playing 1v1 instead of playing team offense and string 6-10 passes together on an offensive set is beyond me. At least make the defense work and do so by making simple crisp passes.
End rant here.
I concur
Turge has to put a shorter leash on Stogin, the offense does emphasis patience and discipline.
Stoglin is a winner.
He is the only natural scorer on this team and we need to run a different offensive set to give him more opportunities. All his shots are contested and he still scores. My fear is the frustration of playing in these type of games where he is double teamed and no one else can score will make him think about transfering. He does not appear to be listening to the coaches during the breaks.
simple reason
90% of the team can’t catch a pass….or do anything with it if they do
Our big men can't even catch the ball to try and put up a shot
We have to solve that problem before we even attempt to go inside.
did you watch the 2nd half???
dont put this one on Stoglin going 1v1. The team couldnt dribble or make a pass without turning the ball over…let alone put the ball in the basket. At least when Stoglin got the ball there was a chance they might score.
Mosley Walked 4 times in the 2nd Half
That sums it up.
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Ridiculous
Stogs is the ONE and ONLY reason we have 5 wins in the ACC right now. Do you honestly think that Padgett, Pankey, Weiss, and Len are ready and primed for ACC play this year? It’s painfully obvious that they, at this exact point in time, are ancillary players and NOT ready for the limelight.
I agree that in a year or two we are going to need to rely less and less on Stogs, but to pin any blame to him for this loss is short-sighted imo.
In response to the two posts above who obviously did not understand the point...
You do not win basketball games at this level by depending on one guy to bail you out when shots are not going down, period! This is truth, not debatable, ask anyone on here that has ever played organized basketball. This was in no way an attack on Stogs, which is pretty clear if you read the post and don’t get so defensive about your boy Terrell. The only thing this had to do with him is that if some of you were half as patient as you are with him with some other players and let them take the volume of shots, they might just surprise you. But I digress…
We have to play THROUGH the offense, not 1v1, which they all do sometimes, not just Stogs. You have to run an offense to compete at this level. Even the worst D1 players should be able to pass and move in an offensive set, this is fundamental basketball. If you stick with the offense, it eventually starts clicking, but if you get frustrated and just start playing streetball “1v1”, you will lose every time, which we have seen.
Anyone who wants to just run through one player please go learn the game of basketball first and then come argue with me. It was never about Stogs, it was about just depending on him too much instead of playing ball the right way. That is how a TEAM gets better. And next time read a little closer, you might just get it the first time./
by Chucktown Terp on Feb 18, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree w/ how you see the problem, but I'm not sure about your solution
If I read correctly, you seem to be saying that Maryland just needs to run more offense, not through Stoglin. I agree that a successful basketball team has to run an offense. The problem is that even when Maryland does, they often fail at it. It doesn’t always “start clicking” especially against such a disciplined defense, and it didn’t today. The issue isn’t that they don’t run the offense; it’s that they don’t have enough talent to do so effectively, and I think Turgeon knows that. They do, however, have an electric scorer who can get hot at the right time and win this team a game (see: Notre Dame). So it’s a balance.
Fair enough, just htink if you play in the ACC, you should be skilled enough to catch , pass and move to space
by Chucktown Terp on Feb 19, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
One more thought..
Obviously their is no simple answer and we tend to give Stogs a huge margin of error where we are not only quick to criticize others but also how we work as a team. Although Stogs has won us a bunch of games by the sheer numbers he can generate, he has also missed some key shots in big games down the stretch that killed our chances of pulling them out. (No one I would rather have shooting though) I just think we have put together a few exceptionally nice games/halves where we played TEAM offense and have won some games too, so I disagree that this team doesn’t have the skill to do the simple things.
by Chucktown Terp on Feb 19, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think their point was that
for this season, Stoglin going into 1v1 mode has been more effective than getting the rest of the team involved because the supporting cast is so inept. Running offensive sets is the only way to play at this level true, but every time any of our big men touch the ball it turns into a TO, a missed shot, or missed free throws. And the problem with them isn’t that we’re not running a set play, it’s that they mess up on the simple parts of the game, like catching, setting screens, knowing when to pass out instead of brute strength-ing through 3 guys, etc.
I would rather see Stoglin chucking (which actually has a chance of going in) than watch our bigs attempt what they should be working on in practice. They have no hands, no repertoire of post moves, can’t set proper screens, and can’t make free throws. This is why our offensive sets fail, and why Stoglin goes into chucking mode.
If we don’t have the talent/skill to run offensive sets, we have to make up for it in practice, but so far we haven’t seen anything come of that. You don’t practice this in games, you do it IN PRACTICE. And if half of your team can’t replicate it in an ACC game, you go back to what does work. Which for us, is praying that Stoglin goes into beast mode.
TL;DR- Gametime is not where you begin to try what you learned in practice. You condition yourself beforehand, so that when gametime comes, it’s second nature.
I understood your point completely...
and yes, I agree, good basketball requires playing as a team. I played enough organized basketball to know, and appreciate the point guard position more than most. What I think you missed from the point I made is the fact that this team has not shown an ability to run a good offense. When you dont have a point guard, when you dont have guys on the wing that are a threat to hit a jumper or drive past a man and get to the basket, and you dont have guys inside that can 1, catch the ball consistently or 2, make a post move and score, your offense is not going to be very effective. You can run screens, and motion, and pass all day, but its not going to be very successful. Yesterday, in the 2nd half, they could neither dribble, nor pass, without turning the ball over, so I’m not sure what offense you were expecting to be successful, or to start “clickng” While I agree Stoglin going 1v1 is not good basketball, yesterday that was pretty low on my list of concerns. He only did that after watching how many empty possessions without a shot? He could at least get a shot to the basket, which was better than a turnover
I hear what you are saying...
but that didn’t work yesterday either as Stogs had 0 points in the second half. And again it’s not just Stog’s that I am talking about, it is all of them. As I said to Ben above, I just think you should be able to catch, pass, and move off the ball if you play at this level. Very basic and it makes opposing D’s actually have to work. But I understand how you feel, I just think in the long term, we would benefit from continuing to run sets.
by Chucktown Terp on Feb 19, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, pal, but you buried the lead on this one...
This loss is COMPLETELY on the ACC! This must have been the quickest turnaround between conference games for any team in AMERICA this season. and the second game’s on the road…And UVA’s a bus trip…makes the travel aspect that much tougher. Sean Mosely played almost the full 40 minutes like 36 hours ago! How’s he supposed to bang with Mike Scott? We should’ve appealed that scheduling somehow back in August. That’s unbelievable…makes me sick! I’m just surprised they didn’t schedule the second game against Duke. Now THAT would’ve been like the ACC to do something like that.
by mattterp2005 on Feb 18, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I respectfully disagree
and hopefully this doesn’t go in the aspect of conspiracy theories (ACC scheduling) against UMD. The fact is that this team doesn’t have the horses right now to compete. Yes UVA has struggled as well, but it showed that they were the better team as the score shows it.
Horses or not
No excuse for losing today, we just bent over and spread our butt cheeks wide open. I still believe we are better than UVA , with Joe harris having a broken hand. I will never repsect UVA.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Spoon is right
although the scheduling didn’t help, it was not solely to blame for this loss. We have bigs that should be getting 5-10 minutes of back up play at most and guards that can’t shoot well enough to make up for the week front line, no ball handler, a lack of speed and agility, a team that gave up on themselves defensively today when they couldn’t hit a shot and an utter lack of a visable offensive gameplan. THAT is why we lost.
by Chucktown Terp on Feb 18, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right now
this team isn’t trusting Turge’s system at the moment. He like to play more of a controlled tempo. Right now this team is playing out of control (ie, lack of effort, discipline etc..).
it not a lack of "buying in"
its a lack of talent. Doesnt matter what the system is, if you cant pass and dribble without turning the ball over, the system becomes very much secondary
GW always lacked talent...
but still won a nc, went to 2 final fours, 2 elite eights, 7 sweet sixteens, recruited len, cleare, faust, stoglin, and justing anderson.
the problem is that we dont’ have a point guard, that really has been the issue. JW leaving had a big impact as well, but the reason we are losing is you can’t expect to win games without a pg.
actually, no. thats not what i implied
Gary wouldve been banking on Jordan Williams being here this season. If we’re assigning blame, I put it on Jordan, not Gary. Put Jordan on this team, with Sterling Gibbs, and I think you could at least reverse that acc record of 5-7 to 7-5
eh, I wasnt trying to assign blame.
simply a response to someone blaming Gary for this team. Big spoon wants to say this team isnt “buying in” to a philosophy??? this team doesnt have enough talent. Assign blame wherever.
"If we’re assigning blame, I put it on Jordan"
I agree that assigning blame is a little pointless, though. Things aren’t good enough, it’s not Turgeon’s fault right now, and that’s all we really need to know.
This game was all about fatigue
I am looking forward to all our remaining home games…this team will vindicate itself….four days between each game and the home crowed will help.
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We’ve got a long way to go as a team. Lots of room to grow.
There’s just four games left, plus the ACC tournament. However, to me, that is just enough time to put the rest of the ACC on notice. Give them a taste of what to expect from UMD basketball for years to come.
Did Tony Bennett go to Duke...
I mean the hand checking and moving screens were enough to make me sick. Stoglin should have taken that short guard with the afro off the dribble a few more times and forced the foul call. Granted the Terps didn’t play well enough to win but there were like four possessions in a row where Maryland’s getting called for holds or something and the Virginia guards are riding ours all over the court.
i agree
i thought the refs let this one get out of hand after Bennett called the timeout and ripped the officials, from that point on we didnt get any calls and they gave UVA about 4 straight fouls that were bogus. I also find it hard to believe that Mike Scott didnt pick up his first foul until the 5min mark in the second half. He lowers his shoulder everytime he drops steps to clear space but it was never called. All in all uva showed they wanted this one more in the second half im looking forward to the game at College Park
Virginia played great defense
Give them credit…Scot is not their only option with the ball.
Exactly what did Alex Len during his 20 minutes on the floor...
two missed shots and a turnover!!! ZERO rebounds!!!!
How many points did his man score...
…when Len was guarding him…2. I focused on him the whole game…he did a good job on him man. He needs more time on the floor.
Well..
Maryland Lax opened the season with a 12-6 thrashing of Hartford. The best part is they spread out the scoring unlike our basketball team. 9 Terps scores (3 with 2).
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We would be nasty with Jordan Williams. What an idiot.
by grasshugger7 on Feb 18, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If AI runs out of his money
JW’s wont last till he is 35.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Evans
I think a key point was missed in analyzing the “tale of two halves”: Stoglin was guarded by Zeglinski in the 1st half and did anything he wanted. Stoglin is way too quick for Zeglinski both shooting the 3 and driving to the basket. UVA made an adjustment at half time and went with the more physical Evans in the 2nd half and completely disrupted Stoglin’s game. When Stoglin was out, Evans switched to guarding Faust at the point and created lots of turnovers.
Good point...
…second half adjustments by the opposition have been very effective….hummm?
A few thoughts...
First, I agree that Nick doesn’t handle the ball well, especially with his left hand. Every guy defending him should be overplaying his right hand and forcing him to go left. Nick needs to work on it and use his body to protect the ball. Its a no-brainer.
Second, we are running a motion offense. Effective picks and screens are essential. Defenders on good teams like Duke and UVA fight their way through those picks and screens. The guys setting the picks and screens can’t move or its a foul. It is up to the cutter to set his defender up and drive him into the setter. Terrell, Nick, Mychal, and Pe’Shon go wide and allow defenders to slide through. Sean is inconsistent. Sometimes he will drive the defender into the set and sometimes he won’t. Anyway, this is a correctable problem. Its about technique.
Third, we are not going to become a more physical team quickly. Alex and Ashton need time to work on strength and technique. I don’t think we’ll see real improvement until next year.
I’m pretty tired of seeing Len and Pankey get out muscled and then pick up a stupid foul by shoving the guy in the back.
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by John Stephens on Feb 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Gary's offense
is pretty much the same, in regards to setting screens/picks. It’s about tweeking the offense, and the players having the IQ to utilize it or rather accept those adjustments (ie, for the ones who’ve played with Gary Williams)
we are running a motion offense. Effective picks and screens are essential. Defenders on good teams like Duke and UVA fight their way through those picks and screens.
I agree in part but mostly disagree
The cornerstone of his flex was that 3-man shuffle he ran with the frontline. The idea was to create an opening for one of the 3 to receive a pass in the low post. You don’t have to force a switch for that to occur. Forcing a switch on the perimeter that creates an opening for someone to come off the pick and square up for a shot is far more difficult.
by wmterp on Feb 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good post....
I do concur that the Flex was more stringent in learning and adapting. I’m unsure if Turge hasnt’ bastardized the motion offense enough for the players to get it going.
The change in offensive philosophy in the half court from Flex to Motion is like going from day to night. The flex relies on baseline and down screens to free players while this style of motion has ball screens but uses more dribble penetration.
http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com/2009/07/look-at-gary-williams-maryland-flex.html
http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/film_session_mark_turgeon_motion_offense/7129069
The two offenses are quite different to say the least.
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As woeful as the 2nd half was--and as painful as it was to watch--
this tweet from Jeff Barker made me smile: “Maryland played 14 players against Virginia, and Terps coach Mark Turgeon said: ‘We were 0-for-14.’”
by Jason Middlekauff on Feb 18, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I mean what the hell happened out there
I was straight up embarrassed watchin them in 2nd. I am done with Pankey for this year and he prolly will transfer. The dude is a statue out there and really is just a body. I have defended him by saying he hasnt played in two years but that excuse is no more 26 games into the season…. I am so sick of him.
And I really do not like our ball screen offense simply cause our bigs cant set screens.We are just not active on offense at all, motion means always in motion and I always seeatlest 3 to 4 guys walking or standing.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wrote posted this in another thread but it applies here as well, and is the answer to what ailes this team most right now
I think you hear him coming…
Baseball
On a bad game for UMD Basketball, nice win by the TERPS Baseball team last night in LA against # 14 UCLA, 2-1. I know were a basketball 1st school, but that was a good way to start our baseball season.
Anyone agree ??
who cares....
man we just scored 13 points in a half…
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Stogs had 14 by himself
in less than 3 mins
good for them
I could actually get behind the baseball but when it comes to basketball and we lose like we did, nothing can make me feel better than us signing a recruit
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Let's step off the ledge
I was very angry about the outcome of the game, but after going for a walk with the dog and having some time to think about things I think I’ve gained enough perspective to calmly think about the future.
A lot of people want to rip the coaching staff and the players after this game (which is natural), but we need to go back and think about the expectations we had entering the year. 3/5 of our starting line up are freshmen right now. Big men have a hefty learning curve and one of them hasn’t played in two years while the other has been in the country about 5 months. The third freshman is playing out of position and given the onus of running the offense.
We only have two seniors on the whole team and one of them is hard to count as he has not been with the team the whole 4 years.
What I am saying is that freshmen will have mental lapses and perhaps the mental fatigue from Thursday played a bigger role than the actual physical drain from that game. Combined with a road game the actual result is not surprising. Frustrating, but not surprising.
I still think that the team has a bright future next year. The bigs will have some time to bulk up and get more experience. The guards will hopefully be healthy next year. Faust and Parker are showing signs of progress too. Even though they are trying more than they are capable of right now, at least that means that they are not shying away from the opportunities given to them. With the additions coming next year there will also be more depth.
This one stings, but we have to keep positive. Getting pissed off is not really helping anyone.
Frshman
Good thinking Seattle Terp, I think sometimes we expect WAY to much outa these young men, at such a early stage. We’ll be just fine. W/ Faust’s development, LEN, PADGE,PANKEY, W/ SHAQ. Howard back at full strenght, then the young man from MASS. Layman. Then Stogs, we should be top 25 next year. Were O.K. fellows.
P.S UVA better be ready to play on 3/4/12 , We’ll have a chance to look at some film, instead of 36 hours to prepare !!
Can't wait for the rematch
A desparate team comes into Comcast having lost the previous three, the final insult before their attempt to win a couple of games in the NIT. Just like the old days.
good point!!
I did the samething I set back and remembered at the beginning of the year i thought we would be terrible, and we have played pretty well for the most part at least we alwasys put of a good 20 mins of a game, but we really dont have much talent overall. Stoglin is really the only person i see that would get alot of playng time on any other teams we have in the acc right now. I think padge,parker,len and pankey will all be better but they give what they can for now alot of potential but potential does nothing for us at this point. The biggest dissapointment for me is Moseley he was terrible today if he could find ways to give us more on offense i feel the games we lost would have been very different, he does hustle on defense and tries to be a leader but we need more out of him.
MOSELEY
I thought he’d be a big time recruit for us, scoring wise. He was a disapointment in that area, but has been a all around solid player. His best year was his SO. year W/ GV,HAYES,MILBOURNE JW. But he hustles and supports his teamates, and UMD.
by PADGE on Feb 18, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sean Mosley has to be one of the most disappointing Terps in a while
This is the type of game that he is supposed to step up and take control of, and he did just the opposite. When things were unraveling in the second half, Sean was turning the ball over, taking dumb shots and making stupid mistakes.
0-4 from the field, four turnovers and four fouls. Just pathetic for a senior that has been getting significant playing time since he got here.
I said this in the game thread too, but has Sean really improved at all since he got here? I mean, his scoring has increased, but that’s just because hes taking more shots. For a four-year player that’s basically been a four-year starter, he hasn’t really improved like he should have.
Sean Mosley has played great all year
Responsible for many wins and many comebacks. Give him a break.
I agree with you. But...
He needs to step up more offensively, I love the guy but he’s got to get us 14 points a game at this point.
to say he's played "great" is tad overstated
he’s played well in wins, but a sr leader, that plays in the backcourt, he has not done nearly enough to lead this team. When the team needs a basket, when someone needs to step-up, he’s consistently deferred to Stoglin. He’s needed to be the one to demand the ball…problem is, he doesnt have the game to do much with the ball assuming he did demand it. At the least, he could help setle the offense, and settle Stoglin when Stoglin decides he has to score to keep the team in a game.
He has played hard overall but when your a senior you need to bring it every game, he has no excuse to not show up on offense we need him in everyway possible… Scoring, defense, rebounding and leadership him winning one or two games for us isnt something to pat him on the back about he is suppose to do that. When turge spoke this summer he thought the bright spot would be Sean and to me he has not looked any different from the previous years.
Great? No.
Mosley has not been great all year.
When Maryland has needed him most, Mosley has played pretty terribly.
In Maryland’s 11 losses, Mosley is averaging seven points and shooting 30 percent from the field. That has to be better. When Maryland is playing good teams, Mosley has to step up and be a leader on the floor. He has to take good shots, and make them, and he hasn’t done that in games we needed him too this year.
THIS
When Mosley confronts elite talent, he caves. There are so many times he gets the ball with an opening to drive or shoot and he backs out and looks to pass out. If yer open, yer open. I don’t care who you are, you have to take the shot in that circumstance.
Fear the Turgle!
I agree. He is the only Senior.
And is nowhere to be found when we really need him. He leaves it to the Fr. and So. to try and figure he something out.
It depends on your expectations. He’s had a solid career and is a great complimentary player. But I could see from those who thought as a player of the year coming out of the city he should have been more of an offensive threat I can see that side as well.
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I'm with you BUT
tell me you agree that you put him on that ‘02 Natty team and he’ll play the same exact role as Mouton. Look, he’s a gritty dude that gets it done defensively and occasionally can go off offensively. The thing is, if Mosely is on a good/great team, he would have no problem whatsoever assuming the role given to him. There is no selfishness with Mosley and I’m fine with the way he plays now.
You underestimate the talent of Mouton
Go back and look at what Mouton did before coming to MD. ROY in i think Conference USA. Averaged around 13-15ppg.
I was so pissed today because...
I had to go to a birthday party at 2 o clock for a 2 year old, when i left it was 37-33 UVA. Boy am i glad I missed that second half lol. I saw the score and was shocked.
We just can’t expect to win too many more games withotu a pg, especially in the acc on the road. Lot of encouraging stuff over the past several games that will pay dividends in the future and unfortunately that is alll we can really hope for. We have to give up the dream of making the ncaa’s and hope we can at least make the nit.
Yea
My aau team had a game an hour away from my home at 2 and I caught the first half and pisssed off that I couldnt see the 2nd. But after I watched the 2nd on espn3 i was enraged.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 18, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hand/eye coordination non-existant in 2nd half
I agree with Ben, worst half we’ve played all year. However, there’s still time to improve with 4 games left, plus the ACC tourney and hopefully an NIT bid. Tobacco Road can be very brutal, and it was today Have to expect it with a team this inexperienced.
In defense of Sean Mosley
His ankle is far from 100%. It will take months after the season for his ankle to heal.
Mosley hasn't developed offensively in 4 years as a Terp
It’s funny how low expectations have become for Sean Mosley. After coming to Maryland as a 4 star recruit and prolific scorer it seemed a great career was on the horizon.
Mosley has turned into a very good defender, team player, overall solid role player and nothing more. Last year the Terps desperately needed him to become more of a scorer and he wound up regressing in every major offensive category as a junior. This year he is averaging 10 points. His scoring is very inconsistent and he seems to become invisible offensively against better teams.
Hard to look at his 4 years as anything but an underachieving career.
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"I feel I’m the best at what I do, and that’s how I play it,"
"I’m the best, hands down. There’s no speculation. Not top three or top five, I’m the best."
"I’m not looking to be the best one year or to have people think you’re the best one year,’’ Rondo continued. "You’ve got to prove it every night. Every night somebody’s going to be gunning for that spot.’’
Mosley's the second best player on the team.
His leadership, strong defense, and clutch play in close wins has really helped us this year. I wouldn’t say he has underachieved, he is asking to be something he’s not (a scorer)
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Mosley and Shaq
IMHO Sean has been a great Terp. Couldnt ask for a more well rounded young man to represent the University and MBB program. Some of you need to remember its not just about scoring. Too many expected him to be a dominant All ACC player out of HS but forget that HS is just that…HS. At 6’4" with his head for the game and being defended by usually smaller less capable players Sean was a scorer, but in college where he was almost always at a height disadvantage and now playing against a better quality defender every game, he wasnt going to have the same level of scoring productivity he had in HS. Seans a quiet lead by example, glue type player, who is more complimentary than a leading scorer, dominate a game type. He’s a Gary Williams type of player. He normally does so many things well that dont appear on stat sheets. I dare say if the level of overall talent during his four years had been better, his stats would have been better. If JW stays and Ross comes here instead of Washington, the bigger pieces to the puzzle are there and I believe Sean benefits from it. He’s a piece to the puzzle, not someone you build a team around. As we’ve said since Day 1, this team is challenged. Theyre going to have good games and unfortunately poor ones when their weaknesses get exposed and they dont play well. Its happened to the team a few times and its happened to every player on the roster.
I’m as anxious to see Shaq next year as anyone. An exceptional talent who we hope we can build the program around. One who will give us what we lost when JW left too early. But Shaq will be a freshman and need time to adjust. He certainly wont resolve the PG concerns or make us a better outside shooting team. I’m hopeful fans will understand this and not go off the deep end if he isnt a 15-10 player from Day 1 and by himself transforms us into a top 20 team. He’ll need help. Hopefully Layman and Allen help. Hopefully our returning players continue to learn, improve, and are more consistent contributors next season. I feel good about it but am trying not to set my sights too high. Better the team exceeds some modest expectations that fails to meet unrealistic ones. Hopefully Turge and staff arent finished with another key recruit/transfer or two still being added to the roster. At this point I think Sam Cassell would be an nice addition. There are others. And of course the Harrisons down the road too…
Bottom line is Sean’s someone we need to appreciate more. Even on those bad days. This team is IMHO overacheiving – Turge has generally with few exceptions gotten everything out of the limited talent and experience he has to work with, and finally, this season isnt over. I’m looking forward to Tuesday night against Miami and a close game that hopefully we can find a way to win. UNC obviously will be tough, but we have a good shot at GT, and I think we’ll put in a much better performance when the Hoos visit Comcast. It will be a challenge but we can still reach 8-8 and get to the post season.
Point
First of all what happened? Ok that’s done. Shaquille Cleare better be as advertised or it will be a long year. I kept repeating "wouldn’t it be great if Anderson kept his verbal plus Jake. Then I thought Seth? Another local 3 star. And then reality set in. How many guys who aren’t top rated turn out to be very good. Then I looked at Padgett trying to guard Scott. Forget it. Stoglin in spite of the terrific moves and great fighting spirit doesn’t create a shot for himself though he does draw fouls. He’s too short to be the next Iverson but he’ll play D ball and could be Lin. Who knows anymore? Point is this team needs size underneath and hopefully that’s Cleare. Pankey is ok, and so is James. But they’re not going to get this team off the dime. Padge came in as an after thought to the guy who played at Lincoln then Cinncy then the NBA never to be heard from again. Meanwhile the Bearcats still have Gates but Padge my point being is not that good either. Faust I hope continues to show promise and produce. But truthfully Va has two guards who can create their shots off the dribble too. A good team that contends to say third round NCAA needs fleet of feet, passing, discipline, rebounding and shooting in any order. On a good team Stoglin wouldn’t really fit because he’d take away from balance. I’m thinking Nova and Pitt and Marquette and heaven forbid UConn of the previous few years although obviously Marquette is playing good ball this year. Give Coach K this crew and he’d be mulling over retirement the way Gary did. It’s not for lack of trying. Mychal is no Chris Wilcox. Looking over the Celtics for example are two players from last years Boilermakers who would make most teams dominate most of the time. E’twaun and JaJuan. They’d be good at Syracuse.They’d play well for Izzo. These current players are not those players. But a guy like Cleare can make a big difference the way Jordan did. Jake if he can shoot will be a good addition. Then with a point man you got something to play with. Then Padgett and Mychal and Pankey can get playing time and add something to the team. Watching Pankey and Brendan and Len shoot from inside make milk curl. Watching Stoglin shoot from the right with his left hand makes food for a hawk in flight. Athletic this team is. Basketball players no. I don’t know where some of these guys are when they’re on the court. Are they dreaming? Passing the ball around no one underneath to get a rebound and Len might as well never shoot unless it’s solo. How can u be 7’ and not be able to put a hook in from 5 f’n feet? Nice boy but not a player though Weis has no hands. None. Mosley had his off day and he’ll have some more interspersed with a miraculous play before he tries to catch the ball on the way out of bounds again. Just the way he is. Not smart. Hustles but not smart. If he played for Coach K in some parallel universe he’d be benched and replaced by some crazy fool in the stands. If Mark T wasn’t pulling down a load I’d feel sorry for him. He must sit at home at night looking at how lucky Haith is. Why didn’t Mizzou call me? Why? Oh dear God Why?
Long Way to Go
MD has a long way to go to again be at the top of the ACC. Sorry, but GW’s lack of recruiting since 2002 has led to this disaster. MD needs more than 1 big man to compete again; Cleare is a good start but MD needs 2-3 more talented big men. The lack of a point guard is blatently obvious. So this is going to take some time; how much time no one knows for sure.
These are GW's players, reflecting several years
of lackadaisical recruiting. MT is working his butt off, but don’t expect intant miracles. Next year
won’t be much better than this, but after that things should improve as the team becomes populated with MT recruits.
"Maryland's second half was arguably the worst twenty minutes of basketball I've watched this year..."
I would say that for Maryland, that was probably the worst half of basketball I have ever seen (noting that I became a Maryland fan in the mid-to-late ‘90s). However, I have watched a few Penn State games over the last two years, so I can’t say it’s the worst of the year.
Do you recall the first half of the Sweet 16 game against St. John's?
I’d say that or the UCLA beatdown in 2000 were the worst.
by Jason Middlekauff on Feb 19, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Actually, I don't.
Got box scores for those?
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go:
Box score for the UCLA game: http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/031800aaa.html
Box score for the St. John’s game: http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/031999aaa.html
The St. John’s game looks better than it was. They trailed by 25 at one point in the first half.
by Jason Middlekauff on Feb 19, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
20-0 Run
By St Johns was very depressing.
At least in the UCAL game, we still put up 35 in the second half.
I don’t think you can discount just how awful of a performance it is to score 13 points in a half. When Penn State beat Illinois 38-33 in 2009, the Nittany Lions still went for 17 and 21 and the Illini put up 15 and 18. A moderately decent high school team should score 13 points in a half against Virginia.
The UCLA game had horrible defense, giving up triple digits. But Virginia put up 40… so it’s not like Maryland was playing a slow-tempo lights-out defense type of game to justify putting up 13 points.
There were more soul-crushing halves of Maryland basketball in the past… but from a pure standpoint of isolating opponent, game importance, situation, and all of that… 40-13 in a half is the worst I have ever seen.
by Tezcatlipoca on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
those were 2 of the worst.....
Steve Francis talked sh*t that whole game vs St Johns too, and made us/MD look even worse ; On that UCLA loss … the started tossing alley-oops at from the top of the key, and then it seemed like just for fun, they kept stretching the distance until it was pretty much half-court … even Bill Walton was searching for positive things to say about the Terps that day.
Another REALLY ugly loss was to Notre Dame at the BB&T classic a few years ago….
Looking forward …Go Terps!
Yeah that UCLA loss was more baffling I think
the st john’s loss had to do with ekezie going down with the ankle injury. The ucla loss was a quick sand game. the duke arizona sweet sixteen game last year reminded me of the ucla game.
I forgot about the Ekezie injury. I just remember watching the game at home
with my dad, both of us beyond disgusted.
As for the UCLA game, weren’t they the 11 seed? Man, that game was soul-crushing. The Terps looked like they were going up against an NBA team. And, of course, UCLA fell back to earth when they lost to Iowa St. in the next round.
After that game, though, I never would’ve guessed the Terps would be Final Four-bound the next year, with a Natty the next year.
by Jason Middlekauff on Feb 19, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
it’s almost a miracle md has 15 games so far this year. look how many players are basketball challenged. pankey..can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, can’t box out. padgett..can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass, can’t box out. parker..can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t pass. moseley..disappears offensively 3 out of every 4 games..faust..can’t shoot from the outside…stoglin…can’t play defense. lin…doesn’t touch the ball most of the games…weijs…no shot, no passing, no rebounding, no dribbling.
Which (if any) of the aforementioned would make first five
at Duke or UNC?
UNC would love to have Stogs' outside shooting and ability to score on the fast break
He would start for them
Stogs would start for Duke and UNC
He’s better than Dawkins or Curry, and really, he’s better than Rivers as well.
On UNC, he is better than Bullock and Strickland.
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