Edsall Haters
by curterp on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST
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PrintClearly there are still plenty of Randy Edsall haters out there, and they have every right to cling to that opinion. I'm not in love with the guy, but I'm willing to give him a reasonable amount of time to turn things around.
If, after three or four years Edsall is unable get the football program to at least the level it was when he took over, I'll be among those calling for his firing. I just hope those on the "hater" bandwagon will be able to admit they were wrong if he is successful within that period of time.
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He will succeed with his players.
And those players that want to be in his system.
@kckb8 ... #getatme
Give Edsall Time..
..to at least bring in his own players. This past season was good to where we weeded out those who weren’t on board with Edsall’s plan. I want to see consistent improvement from here on out.
If that doesn’t happen in 3-4 seasons, then something has to be done.
Sure
At this point I feel like I’m driving the Edsall Hate Wagon. If he can turn it around and get us back to 8-9 wins I will admit I jumped the gun in calling for his head. That goes both ways, a year from now after another 2-10 and 10 more transfers, the “give edsall time” argument is going to be losing steam.
My question is, what kind of season does he need need this year to keep his job? 5 or more wins? Does he get a third year no matter what happens? I’m of the opinion that 2-10, 3-9, or even 4-8 and he’s probably gone. What do people think, regardless of their opinion of Edsall?
I don't think he gets fired after two years no matter what happens
But that might be because I don’t see him struggling quite as much as he did this year again. I see them around five wins. But I also think the administration recognizes how bare the cabinet is and don’t expect him to get those 8 or 9 wins you were talking about. And I also don’t think they want to go through a transition again.
by Jordan Ruby on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Define success/improvement
His overall record is sub 500. His record versus ranked teams is worse. If Terp fans are happy with 6-8 wins a year, that begs the question: Why get rid of Fridge? An alum no less! Feels like a train wreck to me.
At UCONN!
Edsall’s resume at Uconn is unbelievable. They were not an FBS school when he got there. He MADE that program without ever having a chance at the recruits and athletes he has already gotten at Maryland.
Also, Fridge was 2-10 in 2009, but everyone seems to forget THAT season.
What the Edsall haters don’t seem to understand is that Edsall was brought in to develop an entire new program, completely different than Fridge. Yes, Fridge had winning records but he didn’t have consistent contention for ACC and/or BCS contention. Let Edsall install his system for a for years and things will be much much different.
Not unbelievable at UConn by a lon shot
In a decade at UConn he took a fledgling program to mediocrity in a bad conference. He got one win against ranked opposition and had a losing record against BCS conference schools. In his best year he lost 4 games, won a three-way tiebreaker for the conference BCS bid and got smoked in a bowl game after which he bailed on his players before the plane even returned to Connecticut. All in all that’s quite short of unbelievable and squarely in the middle of average. There is nothing in his resume to make me believe he can ever take Maryland to greatness. Right now, it would benice just to get back to good.
by terpdbb on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Buddy
He did not have any access to recruits like he does at Maryland. He won with very little. I know first hand. I watched it from the start as a Uconn season ticket holder. Uconn competed consistently against teams with much superior talent.
Edsall will get HIS guys to buy into his system. At Maryland it will be with much greater talent. All you see is a “resume” and stories you don’t know enough about.
Btw, the ACC sucks too.
ACC doesn't suck like Big East
after Miami and Va Tech bolted. And I’ve heard this crap about waiting for a guy to get his own players before. Krivak in his first year had a losing record with seven seniors who made NFL rosters the following season. But we needed to wait until he got his own guys. Right. Same with Duffner, and Vanderlinden. You can put quotes around his"resume" but very seldom does a decade long resume make a great coach look run of the mill. If Edsall was such hot shit some other bigger program would have hired him away from UConn long before Anderson came along and drank that Kool Aid.
I'm sorry but these guys recruit nationally
To say he never had “access” to top level recruits is just smoke.He has/had the same access every other coach has with every kid coming out of high school and before. Add in the fact that he didn’t really get any “marquee” players here until Locksley showed up.
Edsall is a throwback. It’s fine for him to ditch his school in an instant and go where he wants but not so fine for DOB or any other player on the roster to do it. He’s just a control freak and those guys don’t last.
by DudleyDoright on Feb 16, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of people on this board were asking
how we could possibly get top recruits here after a 2-10 season. But UMD is and ESTABLISHED program (albeit far from elite); UConn was a NEW program, and Edsall gave them a conference championship. IMO, he deserves some credit for that.
Only time will tell if the level of success he had at UConn will translate into success here…but we need to give him that time, especially given the athletic department’s financial situation.
Took an FBS-ready FCS school to a 5-3 record in by far the worst power conference and got a BCS bid with a tiebreaker
Friedgen’s teams could have easily gone 5-3 in the Big East just about every year.
by chitsweire on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fridge ain't coming back...
…and he wouldn’t, even if we begged!!! And at this point, frankly, I wouldn’t want him.
Edsall is the coach…he is FAR from perfect, and never will be perfect. He and his staff had surprising success on the recruiting trail. Let’s let this thing play out for another couple years. If we don’t have a winning record after the 2013 season…I’ll join the bandwagon.
3 or 4 years?
Ouch. What specific issues of his own shortcomings has RE addressed that lead you to believe he can turn the program around as well as develop into a more marketable face of the program. Many of RF’s detractors harp on his appearance as being an issue preventing MD from reaching the highest echelon in FB programs (although he did finish ranked pretty high in his first few years). Moreover, there are two sentences that he uttered that are repeated by them again and again. Paraphrased: “I’m not reaching these kids” (2009, although followed by “I need to find a way to reach these kids”) and “I burned my diploma. (obvious sarcasm)”
Compare to the long list of quotes we wish we never heard RE say. The guy is not likable so in the absence of winning, he provides no redeeming value to the university.
So do I expect RE to win? No. Not at all. And here is why. We had three close losses and the NCST game. In all three losses, RE specifically mismanaged the clock. And it was directly RE. One could blame Crowton’s hurry up against NCST, but if we had used 2 minutes during a three and out vs, 14 seconds repeatedly, the comeback by NC ST does not happen. In the other three games, MD clearly could have put themselves in a position to win, but either time-outs were burnt needlessly OR were not used to stop the clock. That is bad in-game coaching. The look of cluelessness and isolation during the beatings does instead of communicating with the team, trying to motivate them to play their best even in a losing effort rings loudly as well.
Sorry, I’ve seen too many good coaches win with kids they inherited. It takes an abysmally poor coach to take a team with so much promise and lead them to 7 straight pummelings to end his first season,. So if you want to give him 3-4 seasons to “turn it around” and preach patience, that is your prerogative. But pointing out that its not likely that he will “turn it around” based on the evidence offered thus far is a shared prerogative for the rest of us. I have tried to make this point with as much civility as possible yet expect RE supporters to bash away.
My final issue with him is the hyprocisy of touting accountability while holding himself to none whatsoever. He takes “ultimate responsibility” as the coach, but what is clear is that he does not see himself as part of the problem. When RF lost, the first person he called out was himself. Same with Gary. Same with MT. They first point to things they could have done better to help their teams win. They also point to things they were trying to get the team to do that the team or individuals did not respond to. They are honest. RE is not.
Regards -
-hgr
by HughGR on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
There has actually been quite a few changes in the program this offseason
I’m not sure how you can ask that question in your first sentence. We’ve fired and hired 2 new cooridinators, one of which is the elite recruiter we’ve all been begging for since the early 2000’s, and Edsall and the department have made more of an attempt to be more open with the fans (which I’m sure we will see more of coming into spring ball, etc). Things aren’t going to change overnight considering we haven’t even hit spring practices yet, but the things that could have reasonably gotten better by now have.
And the biggest thing that frustrates me with those who are against Edsall is when they say that he had so much talent coming back. He didn’t, that was obvious. We lost our two leaders on offense (Torrey Smith and Da’Rel Scott), two leaders on defense (Wujciak and Moten), multiple other starters, DOB wasn’t the great QB everyone made him out to be, and we had an incredible amount of injuries to important plaers (Tate, Gonella, etc). Factor all that in with very young players and brand new schemes, it’s going to be a huge transition. That’s not to say that I think we were a two win team, but we weren’t much better than that either.
And all of that isn’t to say that Edsall isn’t at fault at all, because there are some things that you have to question. DJ Adams obviously being first and foremost. The game management was an issue last year and is something that absolutely has to change. The way he handles the media is extremely questionable at times.
But when it comes down to it, his track record at UConn speaks louder to me than last year at Maryland when it pertains to these issues. He was known as one of the better pure coaches and game managers while at UConn. And it’s not as if he sat Donald Brown or Jordan Todman or any of his other good players at UConn which there were quite a few. There was obviously something off with this team last season, and Edsall deserves blame, but not nearly as much as many heap upon him. The things that he’s asking and doing are pretty good things. He’s helping these kids in the classroom, helping them become more responsible, he’s recruiting the hell out of this area even before Locksley came on which is something we’ve been asking for for a decade now.
Sorry for the rambling, just a lot to say in a little bit. But in summary, I can’t disagree with a lot of what you have to say Hugh, there are very relevant things your bring up and I don’t have an issue with. It’s not people like you that most have a problem with, it’s the ones that hang on EVERY little thing Edsall does that seems to bring all Edsall detractors down. Like the ones who have been pissed for two days now that he won’t let DOB transfer to Vandy. It’s the most common thing in the NCAA and happens all of the time, but beacuse it’s Edsall people want to go crazy.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Feb 15, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fear - I should apologize for my rambling as well
However, the fanpost above seemed to divorce “hate” from an honest assessment of RE’s capabiliy of producing a winner. I do think its unfair to compare the 24 defections to this year’s incoming class. What is fair is to compare the defections of known commodities and contributors to the program (because all 24 would not have been contributors). I don’t disagree that bringing UConn to FBS is a major accomplishment – it is. Winning the conference and representing in a FBS bowl under any circumstances is a major accomplishment as well. He must have been doing certain things right at the time.
Maybe the kids are becoming more responsible, or maybe he is making sure that HIS recruits are the kind that will graduate (unless of course, they are drafted by the NFL before but were on track to graduate). That is absolutely desirable, with or without winning. Staying unsanctioned, again absolutely desirable if not an inherent expectation. I see no reason why RE can’t achieve those and should state so. He is not altogether evil. On a personal note, there have been times when I’ve seen him speak and he seems very likable. Seriously. The only consistency I can see from those times was that he was unprepared to speak, so he seemed to speak more from the heart. DOB must have been extremely disappointing to him. I truly think that he was blindsided and maybe misled to a degree by DOB, or he must have chosen to ignore the possibility altogether until last Wednesday. I actually am choosing to believe the former. I am sure that in his extensive dealings with DOB, he must have sought some assurances or DOB’s actions led him to believe DOB was there for the long haul. Otherwise, Diggs gets hosted by someone else. “Thinking about it over the weekend” and the “Still a Terp” tweet indicated that DOB was still on board. Diggs signs and then DOB announces indicates some degree of complicity on DOB’s part – was he misleading Diggs or RE?
A part of me is angry that I have to see DOB as partially dishonest as well in this whole thing.
r-hgr
I suggest reading any of Tucker's comments on this topic.
Those of us who are critical of Edsall are tired of this ridiculous false dichotomy that everyone is either “a hater” or a “supporter of the program.” It’s absurd. It is possible to have nuanced opinions of Edsall’s performance without dumbing-down the conversation to such a black and white dimension – not everyone who is critical of Edsall is calling for him to be fired.
by Mike S. on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
performance , to date, has been horrible
as an alumni,fan, etc…….one wants to believe that the program probably had some issues that needed to be corrected…when Edsall took over…but…the coaching last year was just plain sub par……as referenced in previous comments…..the public face of the program…what we are allowed to see…has been just as bad…horrible PR pratices….however what is done..is done….we need to step back …see what happens this year and hope for improevement in all facets…..if not…..then obviously time to go looking again……perhaps with an entirely new cast…meaning new search personnel
I think the hating will be amusing this season
First of all, I’m not a fan of his, but I don’t go out of my way to let everyone know on every comment. That being said, I think the hating on Edsall will be so over the top this season that it will be hilarious. 3rd and 20, Terps run a draw and gain 10, then punt. “YOU SUCK EDSALL!” The Terps lose to a team in the top 10, “FIRE EDSALL NOW!”
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What is worse, is that hate gets tiring, and then apathy takes over
If a GF repeatedly screws you over (and you have a backbone) then not caring at all is the best tact to take. When she calls some time after a break-up saying she’d like to talk, letting her know that you are doing something more important at that moment in time instead of dealing with her emotions and promising to call her back soon and not doing so is a much better path to take than “You screwed me, yet I forgive you because you are sooooo important to me.”
RE has specifically inspired a degree of hatred himself via his own actions AND his record as a coach. But when fans stop paying for tix to come heckle you and instead spend their Saturdays doing something else – not even listening to Johnny Holiday on their way there – then apathy has been unleashed. I have not seen one regular poster on either TT or Wapo saying “I’ve bought into RE and am buying more Season tickets because I want to be there for the turn around.” I have seen plenty who have stated they will not renew their season tickets.
When the attitude shifts to “yawn, when does BB season start?” then the overall athletic department has to respond because they will go broke faster than they claim they are on schedule to.
One Season Of Winning
Will turn that attitude around. I guarantee you that if Maryland does better this year, and players like Brown and Diggs and this defense show promise, there will be more people at the games and listening on the radio.
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Brendan, the key word in your statement is "if"
If I win the powerball tomorrow, I can retire. Should I plan on a retirement party today? Because me winning the powerball tomorrow is as unlikely as RE having the capability to turn this team into a winner.
No one thinks that one season of winning will be 2012 (although RF went from 2 wins to 9 wins so there is a precedent). Do you? Does 7-5 constitute a winning enough season to inspire fans to purchase season tickets in droves? Does a fair contingent of program followers genuinely just “like the guy (RE)” and are thus willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (a la MT)? Does a 9-4 season followed by a 2-10 season not have a negative impact on ticket sales?
RE has to turn in several huge winning seasons in a row to inspire the fan base to return in droves – similar to RF’s first three seasons. But when has he ever done anything close to that? Using the UConn example (he won there so he should be able to win bigger there) does not follow basic logic. He did not win BIG there, he had plenty of opportunities, and only once did he manage to beat a ranked team. Give me an AC from a consistent winner over a lackluster HC taking a lateral move any day of the week.
r-hgr
One Season
I guarantee you that next year if this team wins 6-8 games, and players like Stefon Diggs and Wes Brown looks like they are going to be explosive players, and the 3-4 defense looks like it is going to do well here, and the recruiting class looks solid, you will be nothing but excited for the next season. I know it’s a big if, Edsall has a lot of work to do, but I’m not willing to just throw him out the door because he had one bad season.
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
So are you saying you would get excited about a 6 win season in 2013?
Because I wouldn’t. That is honest. And a 6 win season would not be motivation enough to get season tickets for the following season (although I might buy walk-up tix as there would be plenty available).
6 win season
Not a 6 win season by itself but that coupled with competitive in the loses and a very good recruiting class next year (better than this years) and yes there would be building excitement.
by Porsche911terp on Feb 15, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hugh
Maryland is an entirely different beast than Uconn. He built a program from nothing. He never had a chance at the recruits he has here. He didn’t win big games at Uconn because he didn’t have access to the talent. Do you think Uconn is some kind of powerhouse. No one wants to play there, especially now that Edsall is gone. If he could do what he did at Uconn with the minimum talent then he will be very successful at UMD once the recruiting kicks in.
At UMD,which we have clearly already seen, he does have that access and the ability to get that talent to win against high level opponents.
A lot of the cancers are gone. If they aren’t buying into the philosophy of the program then we are better off without them.
You are so blinded by your hate of Edsall that you don’t even realize how bad season ticket sales were getting under Fridge.
Give Him Time
I feel like a lot of people that judge Edsall are very hypocritical. They wanted Leach because he won, but Leach had a lot of baggage coming with him also. Edsall has never been a National Championship contender, but he did a pretty damn good job winning at UConn. Winning at UConn is impressive. If this team finishes with 2 wins again this year, then I don’t think the biggest Edsall supporters could support him too much. I think he needs 3 years though. This is his first real class. I think he deserves the opportunity to wait until Diggs and Brown and others are sophomores and he gets another class in here and see where the potential is with this program. If in two years we feel like Edsall doesn’t have this program where it needs to be then I’m fine with letting him go, but I am not going to act prematurely because of one horribly bad season.
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions
Hypocritical is accusing Leach of bringing baggage...
…then applauding the hiring of Locksley.
My thoughts
Obviously we want him to succeed with Maryland football but I can’t get over the fact that he destroyed some of the talent we already had. If he could had played to the strengths of DOB, Adams etc, this team could have been decent last year. The temple game was also unacceptable. I think once edsall gets the right recruits we can be good again but wasting a potentially good season was not the way to go. He should have done things differently.
by nhlnflnba18414 on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Is that Edsalls Fault
Or the AD who forcefully hired Gary Crowton to be the offensive coordinator?
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Is this known for sure
I thought they were boys from his days at BC, I’ve heard so many stories about who hired who, and who was forced upon who. I really don’t know what is true
I heard Anderson hired Crowton. Could be wrong though.
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Gotcha
Honestly what does it matter, it was a disaster regardless
Matters Alot
To those who blame Edsall for O’Brien
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
That is part of the problem....
Nothing is RE’s fault. Nothing. Not once has he said “that one is on me.” Not once has he said I made a bad decision there. He actually voiced his doubt that DOB was on track to graduate and thus would be free to leave and now he seems surprised that DOB is graduating and leaving. How could he not make keeping his star QB a priority as big as keeping Diggs? How does he allow the star QB who may be leaving to host the biggest recruit in his own coaching history?
He needs to either stop preaching accountability or learn what the word means and how accountability is practiced in the real word as a opposed to on slogans and start utilizing it…on himself. And if his response to DOB was “do not announce it until after we get Diggs signed,” which in effect is how Danny’s announcement occured, then he clearly NOT holding himself accountable for the trait of honesty.
If Diggs signed, clearly expecting to be receiving passes from DOB, then how is RE ever going to be credible in enforcing honesty on the kid?
RE apologists saying that Crowton was forced on RE are out of their minds. He could have said no. He should have said no. He did not say no. Therefore RE is accountable for crowton’s performance. Moreover, we never saw RE step in (like during the NCST game) and say “slow this stuff down so we can coast to a victory,” for which RE is accountable as well.
Not that he’ll accept specific accountability for anything negative.
by HughGR on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
Edsall is building a program for the future. Changing what he wants to do in THE FUTURE for one “decent” season because of two players does not make sense!
You Know Personally
That RE could have said no to Crowton?
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Yes, any hiring manager can say "it won't work with him"
and argue away the threat of having someone incompetent on staff. If not, he could have taken more control of the offensive game plan to make sure the same mistakes were not repeated. He did not. To put the offensive woes entirely on Crowton while absolving RE of any accountability plays right into RE’s hands. If most of the fans in the stands could see that time was ticking on a comeback attempt and a time-out should be called immediately, how could RE not??? Meaning the second, third and fourth time it happened? I really do not get what RE has done to convince anyone he is capable of being even a mediocre coach. Please point out instances to me where you saw some degree of greatness emanating from RE because I missed it. If you need some help there, read the WaPo article on JF, and you’ll see plenty of examples of a guy who is at least trying to build towards greatness (although he’s not there yet).
"How to win friends and influence people"
Is one book Edsall never read.
Fan misperception
In major college football and basketball, to many times does a coach that takes over a program not get the appropriate time he deserves. I understand results is all that matters, but understanding that each situation differs from another. Maryland coaching vacancies differ from Alabama, differ from Ohio State, etc. Maryland basketball needs to be held to a higher level then football, because of program prestige. Also with basketball you only have 5 players playing at a time and one or two new players can make a dramatic change to on field success. As for football it takes a recruiting class or two to make the difference.
The Maryland football program has been struggling for the past 7 seasons dating back to 2004. Three out of the last six seasons under Fridge Maryland had losing seasons. So over the past 7 seasons Maryland has not been a solid program pretty much an up and down team. Yet RE is receiving the blame for a bad year. The programs inconsistancy adds to the performance on the field. In order to right that there needs to be rules and guidelines off the field to eliminate non team players. This is the casualty of having a new coach. It happens everywhere not just Maryland.
RE has surrounded himself with great coordinators now and the changes have paid dividends on the recruiting trail, look only back to the beginning of January. You can give Locks all the credit, but Randy has done his fair share.
I think the biggest thing that gets lost on everyone is that its not just Randy Edsall, its an entire program. Meaning AD, Athletic Department, HC, Coordinators, Asst. Coaches, Trainers, Players, Training Staff. All of these things are put together to make the program. RE is the face of it, but everyone shares a piece of the blame for losing and a piece of the credit for winning. Fans needs to understand that moments like Looney’s last Friday night show future Terps that this school supports the program. The team will get better, I just hope RE is given his contract to prove it.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Feb 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
We'll see.
Can’t say that he gets a clean slate from last year’s Coordinators debacle, but Anderson’s meddling does take some of the ire away. The team will be very short on experience/depth this year. If RE can just stop the blame game, then a competitive .500 type season would speak volumes to me.
But today, RE proves that he can't stop the blame game.
Because he is actively participating in it. Denying DB from transferring to Vandy and implying that Franklin was ‘messing around’ is keeping the game going.
You have a problem with this?
Gimme a break. It is a business. It’s like a non-compete clause in any business. You gotta do what you gotta do, just like DOB felt like he had to leave Randy felt like he had to protect the program.
No its not, its college, its where you go before you enter the business world
We do not compete against Vandy. Like it or not, the most likely reason RE blocked Vandy is that it would kill him to see DOB+JF succeed in the SEC (8 wins would be HUGE at Vandy) while he doubles his win total to 4. Allegations of impropriety…c’mon. Did you see the recruiting class Vandy just pulled. Additionally, in a comparison of b-schools, Vandy offers quite a few majors that the Smith school does not – making it an even more desirable destination. Looking out for the young men’s best interests? Not true.
College Football isn't a business??
WOW. WOW. WOW.
Not at the level where an Alum should be told where he can go to grad school...
That is akin to someone on a full scholly in the honors program is told “you can’t go to Wharton for Grad school.” selling tickets and such, sure college FB is a business that is close to a monopoly and runs itself in a monopolistic manner. But at the grad school level? The kid graduated early. Let him lead his life and purue happiness however he wants to….provided of course he pays off all of his outstanding parking tickets.
The funny thing is, DOB could still go to Vandy anyways
Their B-school has a very nice endowment and a fair percentage of the students at the grad level get grants and such. It is entirely possible and defensible that DOB is given an academic free ride to the b-school and walks on to the FB team. Which would really make RE look terrible.
Vandy
The fact is that it is HIGHLY UNUSUAL to see a player blocked from a school outside of your conference and not on your schedule….and Hugh is correct..the most likely reason for the block is to prevent JF from having any additional success at Vandy because the local papers have been comparing both 1st year coaches and their relative success (or lack thereof) with the programs they inherited….
Seriously, outside of DOB, who on the Terps roster would Vandy be interested in and who would be willing to burn a year of eligibility……
Miami
Blocks players from all SEC schools, so not its not out of the ordinary.
They also pay for strippers and abortions, but that is another story.
That is 1 school out of 120
Doesnt sound very ordinary to me
if you think Miami
Is the only one who blocks out of conference teams, you are either not willing not to look into it, naive, or just looking for something to get on Edsall about. I have not agreed with a lot of what he has done, but on this I agree with him.
Auburn
Limited Dyer to 4 schools, at least DOB has 104 places he can go.
Are you the guy
Who posted on here that you were going to take a dump on your co-workers keyboard?
Your point being?
If you really thought I was going to take a shit on a co-workers keyboard you read too much into everything. The co-worker is actually one of my better friends in the office, I just hated how Reader was overrated when it looked like he was a MD lean, and underrated when he was signed with Clemson.
No
I didnt really think you would do it …but posting it on a public website says something about the writer…..I remember it being someone from the Philly area, just wasnt sure it was you
Because I'd really like to know
What you know about me after I made a joke on a internet board
If it's a business, than he's a business failure.
Because his actions only hurts his public image, which, by the way, is rather important in the business world, and certainly in world of collegiate sports.
The 2012 Schedule is fairly soft
There are 3 games we will probably be outclassed in….other than that from a talent perspective, we should be at least on even footing or even better than our opponents…
A very good coach goes 10-2
An average coach goes 7-5
A poor coach wins less than 6 games
Randy will be judged based upon what he does on the field and thats the way it should be
I have a different take
A good coach will get 10 wins,
an average coach will get 7,
an awful coach will get 4
and Randy Edsall will get 3, blame the players, and then sell the Media on a 50% increase in wins over last year.
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So what do the players actually do?
Since the coach is the one winning all the games
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
he puts players in position to succeed
like Tate at STAR…
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by RedTurtle on Feb 15, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You missed the point
entirely. And Tate was all injured last season. Hence the STAR position.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure we won't take into account the amount of freshman playing this year
Because there will be a lot. A lot of freshman, redshirt freshman and sophomores. The team is young, and the transfers have hurt in terms of experience. If we go over 5 wins this season while being competitive in others this is probably a success. The key factor here is we aren’t getting pummeled every game.
Just as we are giving extreme leniency to MT in basketball and looking at the positives coming out of this year and next while he recruits his players, the same should be given to Edsall. We may not like him as a coach, but the man deserves to be given a chance.
Comparisons with Turgeon
Are silly…
1) Turgeon is way over .500 in his first season
2) Turgeon isnt having mass player defections
3) Turgeon appreciates and respects UMDs history and legacy
4) Turgeon is likeable
In short, Turgeon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edsall
But, I am glad that your threshold for 2nd year wins is a little higher than 50% of the wins prior to his taking over the team
LOL dude you are so broken in the head
You cant compare the two, in any way whatsoever. And I think Turgeon lost every commit except for one right? Also, UMD football hasn’t had any meaningful history or legacy since the 50s, and Oh yea, the basketball roster is like 5 times smaller than the football roster.
I believe thats what I said....they CANNOT be compared
Oh wait, let me read what I wrote one more time…..COMPARISONS WITH TURGEON ARE SILLY…..Yep, that was it….so now you come on and say I am broken in the head because the two cant be compared? Bravo custo bravo
You do realize also that losing commits is completely different than losing players? Losing a commit means they liked the original coach but now that he is gone, maybe I will go with the coach in the recruiting process that I also felt good about…losing players after they play for you, means that the player generally cant stand you, sees no upside and wants to get the heck away from you
Not really valid criticism.
Football players had been committed for some time and really had nowhere else to go before Edsall arrived. Sterling Gibbs, Martin Breunig, and Justin Anderson had options. Gibbs is averaging 2.7 PPG and Breunig 1.6. How did that work out for them? Safe to say they would have played more at MD, especially since we are in critical need of a PG now.
Truth is Gary was a legend and Fridge was not, so you would expect transfers to occur if Gary left.
Fear the Turgle!
Oh and Randy didnt have a choice both of his coordinators were gone
Atleast Bino stayed w/ Turge.
Let's add
5) Turgeon has earned the respect of his players, fans, and media members
6) Turgeon has gotten MUCH more out of his team than RR got out of his, and it’s not close
7) Turgeon’s team has improved significantly as the year has gone on
8) Turgeon is honest
9) Turgeon is man enough to take blame when things go wrong
and lets also add
Turgeon was handed a very bare cupboard and has busted his tail to pull it together….RE was handed a well stocked team and has done something with it that many cant comprehend…..it just leaves us speechless
Wow
RE made a lot of mistakes last year and I hope he learned from them. If he did Maryland football gets much better and if he didn’t he has to go. Not sure he is totally responsible for the Crowton/ Bradford hire or their removal and/or subsequent hire of Locks and Stewart. Either way Randy gets another shot to get it right. Don’t understand all the transfers but not aware anyone who left has actually called Randy out. They are looking for better situations, more playing time, get closer to home. Props to the players who are still here and the ones like Diggs who want to play for him. Got to love this recruiting class! Again Randy gets another shot with new coordinators and many new players. Not the first coach have a tough first year due to circumstances not totally their fault. If Randy is a good coach and the great hire KA says he is we are going to see that soon enough. Leopards don’t change their spots and if Randy is the real problem that is going to be real clear soon enough. So clear even KA will have to admit Randy was a mistake. However, all things considered I think the guy is trying to build the program and needs the opportunity to get it right. (He does have a contract) Maybe not doing everything to please all in Terp Nation but IMHO the jury is still out for at least a while longer. Go Terps!
by Corvette Terp on Feb 15, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Look, I have said this several times and it still applies.
There is no reason anyone should have to endure upheaval and losing during a changing of the guard. To say that we need to have a few losing seasons before we can win again is ludicrous. WHEN TURNING A SHIP YOU TURN IT SLOWLY AT FIRST.
You do not make wholesale changes and say “F” the season, “F” the University. “F” the players that are not on board.
Ultimately, this is about money, and losing is never an option. You make the changes you MUST make initially and implement all the bells and whistles you’d like as time goes by.
To say that someone is so incapable that they can’t adjust their philosophy and win with what’s available while working to build their Dream Team is to say that person has no role in a leadership position in the first place.
This whole idea that our team was so flawed it needed to be totally torn down and rebuilt and that we should suffer the consequences along the way is itself flawed.
Look at Turgeon. He should be the model we look to. He inherited a seriously challenged team. He is doing everything he can to win games with what he has while SIMULTANEOUSLY building the team he wants.
I don’t expect RE to prevail. When you are his age and you are incapable of setting your ego aside for the greater good, well, that is a personality trait he will always have. People don’t change at this point in their lives.
Fear the Turgle!
I left out "F" the fans and "F" the boosters.
Fear the Turgle!
I haven't read all these posts but I disagree with curterp's comment that
“If, after three or four years Edsall is unable get the football program to at least the level it was when he took over. I’ll be among those calling for his firing”
He better be able to get the football program back to at least the level it was when he took over. In fact, with all the changes that have been forced or unforced by him, Edsall better have this program at a much, much higher level than when he took over.
I’m behind Edsall. I’m not a hater. I’m willing to let the guy do what he needs to do to get us to be one of the top football schools. I’m not really a football fan but have the causal interest like most posters here. However, RE needs to get us to at least 8 wins a year.
If this program is at the same level it was when he took over then he should be fired. When I say higher level, I mean consistency. I know he took over a 9-4 team but I don’t want any 2-10, 4-7 and 5-6 years that Friedgen had on his resume. I want every year to be 8-4 or better. That’s it.
This.
If after 3-4 years, we are still at the .500 level, I’ll jump right on the fire him bandwagon. He needs to be given a chance to get the players he wants though that buy into his program. So, I think many people have said and agreed that he gets 3 recruiting classes to do so, but if he doesn’t show progress after that then he can hit the road.
Does anyone else feel Franklin was the only one that really got screwed here?
He was a stayover from Vanderlinden willing to stay if he was named successor to Fridge only to get the shaft in the end? Does anyone doubt Franklin would have done better than Edsall last year?
THAT should be the focus here. The team’s performance last year is all on Kevin Anderson and Rockin’ Randy.
Fear the Turgle!
by NY Terp on Feb 15, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Eight years of his life doing work only to get shafted in the end.
I guess I’d have a hard-on for Kevin Anderson and Edsall as well.
Maybe Franklin can become the coach of a new team that DOB then transfers to……
Fear the Turgle!
Franklin left in 2005
He then came back in 2008, after stints with Green Bay and K-State.
So while I agree that indeed
His contract had his as HCIW, I really can’t feel bad for the guy, plus it looks like he made a good business decission
Vandy could become the Baylor of football.
Fear the Turgle!
I say being stuck with Randy is (clever analogy)
about the same as receiving a mail order bride. Might as well see what she can do in 3 to 4 years before you divorce her. Who knows, all the mail order bride haters might just change their minds!
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