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Former VT Quarterback Ricardo Young Transferring to Maryland?

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Not the first time we've heard of this, but with the departure of Danny O there's some extra concern about quarterbacks nowadays. Via IMS on Twitter. The link goes to a paywall but you should get the basics from the tweet:

Young is a 2010 guy originally, where he was a three-star and picked VT over Maryland, Cincinnati, Louisville, Syracuse, Virginia, and West Virginia, among others. He's a dual-threat guy with impressive athleticism, so he should be able to play the same way as C.J. Brown, which should help avoid that weird "runner vs. passer" thing last year. He doesn't have a very strong arm but scouts loved his timing and short-to-intermediate accuracy, which would make him a very good spread QB.

I have no idea when he'd be able to play, though. The timeline is a little confusing. Young redshirted at VT in 2010, but after a year - in August of 2011 - he decided to transfer and landed at New Mexico, where he'd have to sit out a year due to transfer rules. He was only there for a few months, though, as Locksley was fired in late September and Young left about a week later in October. Then Young landed in Iowa Western Community College.

At some point, he'd be eligible to play. I'm not sure, though, how the rules work with a VT guy coming back into the conference - two calendar years haven't passed - and even though he spent the last year at a CC, again, a calendar year hasn't passed since he was last enrolled in another school, so a strict interpretation of the rules would mean he wouldn't be available until at least 2013.

If there are any lawyers in the building with an NCAA Transfer Manual and have a different interpretation, I'm welcome to it. Anyway, Young is an interesting guy with a lot of athleticism, a former All-Met and three-star from a few years ago. Even if he's not eligible right away, it'd be nice to get another QB in practice to push C.J. And getting another D.C. guy in the building can never be a bad thing.

Now, if we could just get Deon Long on board.

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WANT HIM

just look at all that under armour he wears……..

Jesus that is the sign of a star.

by oriolekid on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You might as well delete my post Ben. WE posted at the same time. I pasted it here

Ricardo YOung will transfer to MD. Here is his eval from 2010. He signed with VA Tech and then ended up at Iowa Western CC. He was considered a dual threat QB while at Howard D Woodson HS and was the areas top QB.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/69517/ricardo-young

I dont really know much else about this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP_t9s7GvTs&feature=related

Good enough for VA Tech good enough for me. Enough of this DOB talk… lets move on. The Champ is here

Here is some more info on him. I didnt realize he was DC Player of the year and Gatorade Player of the year. (MUCH MUCH BEtter of a video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ya6fbVKg4&feature=related

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 14, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

His body type and skillset

Reminds me of Dennis Dixon

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by John Stephens on Feb 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

SIckest name of all time

Juice

RIP Lennie Bias
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by dterpfan on Feb 14, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jarrett Ross CB Commits to Maryland

Jarrett Ross is the younger brother of Brandon Ross RB-Maryland. He is slightly faster, 4.30 40. Mike Farrell says he is a player to watch out for and on the rise. Here is the link along with Baltimore Sun’s article.

by Gutch on Feb 14, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

I heard

That Pitt and ’Cuse were going to wait for the outcome of thie WVU lawsuit, if anything it makes it easier for them to join sooner

by PhillyTerp on Feb 14, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

How does WV defection affect our contract with them?

I know they already bought out their games with FSU

by umcp96 on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re good for at least this coming season, after that i’m not sure. i hope we get to keep playing them but we’ll just have to wait and see i guess.

by SteelTerp42 on Feb 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we're good because...

we haven’t beaten them in 7 years and are considered a cupcake compared to the rest of their schedule.

by nmcvicker03 on Feb 14, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben

are we actually trying to get Long here? or are just saying you want him

by MurlandTerps on Feb 14, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Both.

And he’s said he wants in, so it’s just a matter of timing.

by Ben Broman on Feb 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Graduation

I read an article somewhere that he could be eligible in the Fall if he graduates from his CC. Obviously, that would require a lot of classes and the successful transfer of some of his credits from Virginia Tech and New Mexico (assuming he had any credits there).

I don’t know all of the NCAA rules on the subject, but it actually sounds plausible.

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

It has to do with coming back to the ACC i think

If youre coming from juco you dont need to wait a year(Cam Newton)

by Maryland1206 on Feb 14, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam played a year at the juco level, though.

Ricardo started 2011 at an FBS level school. I don’t think he can spend a non-football semester in Iowa and then get a free pass back up.

"Back off man, I'm a scientist." -Peter Venkman

by RSVRTERP on Feb 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the ACC rulebook...

A student-athlete who transfers directly to an ACC institution from another ACC
institution and who was recruited by the institution from which they are transferring, for whom the athletics department interceded in the admissions process, or who received any
athletically related financial aid during the academic year immediately prior to the
transfer is required to complete one (1) academic year (two full semesters or three full
quarters) of residency at the certifying ACC institution before being eligible to compete
for or to receive athletically related financial aid from the certifying institution.

The key phrase is “transfers directly to”, if that’s the case he could get through ACC rules on that loophole. The issue would then be the New Mexico/JUCO situation.

by bayterp on Feb 14, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

The ACC thing shouldn’t be a factor.

by Terpentine on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man...

That’s a big loophole. What’s to stop a school from using a CC as a farm system for transfers? I feel like there must be more to that rule or else some SEC schools would have figured this out decades ago.

by Womp Womp on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah good point. Forgot about that

I’m still shocked this doesn’t happen constantly

by Womp Womp on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think conferences each have their own rules.

The B1G had a gentlemans agreement until it got Urban Meyered!

I like Turtles!

by RedTurtle on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That was for recruits had a verbal commitment

And had not signed their LOI, if ou are referring to the issues Bret Beillema brought up

by PhillyTerp on Feb 14, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That is just ACC, not NCAA

That just gets us passed the waiting a year for the ACC. I think he’ll be able to play at somepoint this year, but that point would most likely be when he left New Mexico in October, assuming he enrolled in classes for the fall semester at Iowa State CC. If he didn’t I’m thinking they could take the strict interpretation of two full semesters before playing again.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 14, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

HD Woodson

Has that DC league ever been any good in football? I know some of the schools are not nor ever have been comeptitive. Any other QBs come out of that conference?

by Terps84 on Feb 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Woodson puts out a few BCS kids every year

And schools like Dunbar and Ballou usually put out some talent, too. They play schools like Friendship, GC, etc., every year anyway.

by Ben Broman on Feb 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Those Illinois teams

that Locksley coached were full of Dunbar guys and they were pretty damn good teams.

Josh Cribbs, Vernon Davis, Vontae Davis, Arrelious Benn, Byron Leftwich, Marvin Austin all played in the DC league. It’s pretty competitive at the top but you are right that the teams at the bottom are really bad.

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by s.r.genovese on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant remember Fball

recruiting ever being such a big topic… and I kind of like it.

by MurlandTerps on Feb 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Deon Long

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/101569/deon-long

Former WVU WR… yea I will take him to.

Locksley’d

You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it

by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 14, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

"Old Rules"

I only saw the “old” NCAA rules on this, but it sounds like Young’s eligibility would fall under the NCAA’s “4-2-4” rules. It will also depend upon whether he’s a qualifier, a partial qualifier, or a nonqualifier. And, the transfer also has to comply with the ACC’s supplemental rules as well.

The qualifer status is the first key. Once you have that (it appears as though that is only known by the player and the school), the rules show you how much you can do or “when” you can transfer, practice, and/or play. In some cases it requires a certain number of completed credits, graduation from the community college, and the passage of a certain amount of time (e.g., a full calendar year).

Too much to cut and paste, but here are a couple of links.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2009.pdf

http://www.theacc.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/acc/genrel/auto_pdf/ACCEligibilityRules

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I am UB Law taking a Sports Law class right now covering Regulating Intercollegiate Athletics and from what I have read it would take until 2013 for him to be eligible.

by billsnterps on Feb 14, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It comes down to 2 full semesters doesn't it?

From what I understand of the rules he needs to complete two full semesters away from the FBS School in order to play, right?

by djcarv2005 on Feb 14, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Howard had a better arm....

but Edsall’s gonna do his best to emulate the great Eric Taylor. Remember when all the East Dillon players quit, and Coach Taylor had to get Vince to convince all the guys to come back? Well, Diggs is gonna be our Vince Howard.

by Asnis71 on Feb 14, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

Maybe we can reunite Vince and Eric here in CP? If I’m KA, screw RE’s contract any amount is worth it to get Eric Taylor here.

by terpskin on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Coach Taylor

he followed his wife to Pennsylvania and is coaching a high school there. His wife is still smokin’ hot. His team sux though, it may be eight on eight.

by Terps84 on Feb 15, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If he is a qualifier

If. And I say “if,” he is considered a “qualifier” by the NCAA, then he might be eligible in the Fall (he might be eligible in the summer). That’s at least according to the NCAA’s rules.

Basically, he would have to have completed an average of 12 semester hours or 12 quarter hours that can be transferred to MD; earned a 2.0; and graduated from CC (and have one calendar year elapse since being at VT). If yes to all three, then he can practice and play right away. According to the reports that I’ve seen, he left VT in the summer (around August), so it seems that he could be eligible in the August of 2012. That’s again if the NCAA considers him to be a qualifier.

From the NCAA transfer guidelines:
4-2-4 and you want to go to Division I

If you are a qualifier…

Did you:
1. Complete an average of 12-semester or 12-quarter credit hours for each term of full-time attendance that can be transferred toward your degree at the four-year school?

2. Earn a GPA of 2.000 in those transferable credit hours?

3. Graduate from the two-year school AND have one-calendar year elapse since you left your previous four-year school?

If yes to all three, then you can practice and play right away.

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

That's the big hangup to me.

He left UNM in October. But he wasn’t eligible. On top of that traditionally you still need to be enrolled for two semesters at the new school … it’s confusing, I have no idea.

by Ben Broman on Feb 14, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Counterintuitive

Ben’s point is a pretty valid one. I don’t understand why, but it seems as though (in the case of a 4-2-4) transfer, the “two semester” rule would only apply if someone wanted to transfer to a Division Two school.

If the person wanted to transfer to a Division One, school, then the rules that I highlighted seem to apply. The rules below apply to someone interested in transferring to a Division Two school (the “two semester” rule also applies if you are a “4-4” transfer or transferring from one four year school to another. I can see why schools have to spend so much time on NCAA compliance. I can only imagine what it’s like doing this for all of the sports and all of the athletes (and recruits).

4-2-4 and you want to go to Division II
If you were a qualifier or a partial qualifier…
At the two-year school, did you:
1. Complete at least two-semesters or three-quarters as a full-time student? (Summer school does not count.)
AND
2a. Graduate from the two-year school? You must earn 25 percent of the credit hours at the two-year school that awards your degree.

OR

2b. Complete an average of 12-semester or 12-quarter credit hours for each term of full-time attendance that can be transferred to your degree at the four-year school AND earn a GPA of 2.000 in those transferable credit hours.

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple of additions

Apparently, the rules above apply even if he is considered to be a “nonqualifier.”

Also, even if he says “no” to any of the above, he still might be eligible to “practice or receive financial aid.” He just wouldn’t be allowed to play until he had completed one full academic year of residence at MD.

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

It’s unclear whether or not any of his credits there would transfer. It’s also unclear whether that really impacts his status. He did not play there, so it may not have impacted his status at all. It he had played there, then that might restart the original “four” clock in the “4-2-4” but, since he did not play, it may not have much of an impact at all (minus any credits he may have accumulated that can be used to transfer to another school).

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

I guess it comes down to what credits he will use to transfer

And if any of them came from UNM, which if he transferred in Oct, I doubt any will be from UNM

by PhillyTerp on Feb 14, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the deal with Deon Long

Didn’t he spend the 2009 at Hargrave? I know his 2010 season was his transfer season at UNM. With him playing his 2011 season at UNM, I assume he would not be eligible until 2013 and then would he have 2 years left?

by PhillyTerp on Feb 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

That seems to be the big question. It will be interesting to see how this goes.

by Charles2 on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

hopefully its sorted out sooner rather than later

Because he would really make this offense explosive

by fballplyr92 on Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Would he have any claim to a hardship?

Since his coach was fired prior to him playing for him?

by Jeffro78 on Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Coaches can leave anytime they want. Players? Not so much.

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by duck on Feb 17, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

locksley

Keeps producing

by valleyterp on Feb 14, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Are we gonna look back at the hiring of Locks as a major turning point in this program?

I have a feeling we are on the trajectory to be up there in the upper echelon ACC teams with clemson, FSU, etc (not VT, they will drop when beamer is gone) in a few years. We are certainly hoarding talent and creating major talent pipelines. The “fence” we always wanted around the DMV isnt quite a brick wall but its being built slowly, maybe its one of those dog shock collar fences these days, idk.

by terps3030 on Feb 14, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you

I see good things ahead. We just gotta give it time.

by mikemd109 on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Was wondering about another potential transfer candidate

You may remember Javarie Johnson, a highly-rated recruit under Friedgen who quickly transferred to New Mexico. He still has 3 years of eligibility remaining since he was redshirted his freshman year (knee injury). He obviously knows Locksley (and Dancel…) and maybe he’d be alright playing here with the new coaching staff? He seems like he could be a good fit as a 3-4 OLB.

It should be noted that I have not seen anything about him transferring so there’s really no real reason to put much thought into this. I do wonder if Locksley has been in his ear though…

by chitsweire on Feb 14, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Not a position of need

We had 3 or 4 freshman playing at LB last year that got experience, plus another 5 LBs that came in this year. If we take more OLBs on it’ll be through high school recruiting so we can redshirt them and spread out the LBs.

by djcarv2005 on Feb 14, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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