Danny O'Brien, Two Other Terps Will Transfer
by Pete Volk on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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PrintWe've been waiting on this news for what seems like forever now, and now it's official. Maryland quarterback Danny O'Brien will transfer from the program, along with starting left tackle Max Garcia and reserve linebacker/defensive back Mario Rowson.
O'Brien was rumored to be out last week, but delayed his decision by a week. That led to Maryland fans hoping that the signing of Stefon Diggs might change DOB's mind, but that was clearly not the case.
The departure of DOB is going to get the most media coverage of the three, and understandably so - the former ACC Rookie of the Year was the face of the program, and even after a tumultuous sophomore campaign there were still memories left of his 22 touchdown freshman year.
However, the biggest loss of the three is pretty clearly Garcia. While DOB has a battle-tested backup behind him in CJ Brown (who some were hoping would start anyway), Maryland has now lost both of its starting tackles (R.J. Dill transferred to Rutgers) and are now looking at a potential starting duo of injury-riddled Justin Gilbert and true freshman Mike Madaras. Maryland will likely have three Good Counsel true freshmen starting from day one, but that's an issue for another post.
Update 3:35, Ben B.: And Edsall has officially blocked O'Brien from transferring to Vanderbilt. No word on who else is blocked but I'd assume that's the only one. This will rub some the wrong way but I can't get myself worked up about it: there's obviously bad blood between Frank and Edsall, whether from negative recruiting or perceived efforts to poach DOB, and 99% of other coaches would do the same thing.
Garcia started all 12 games in his sophomore season - he and Dill were the only offensive linemen to do so. That line came a long way over the past two years, but with Andrew Gonnella graduating and those two leaving the program, there's going to be slim pickings protecting Brown at some points. He was reportedly homesick, and wanted to return closer to Georgia.
Rowson played in eleven games last year as a freshman, starting in four. He had 27 tackles, including three for a loss, with one sack and one pass breakup. Recruited as a cornerback, he was put in the STAR slot last year and was arguably the player best suited for it. Trouble is, he wants to play defensive back, while the Terps see him as a linebacker.
But let's get back to Danny for a second, because that's who people are going to be talking back. Here was Edsall's official comment on his departure:
"Danny told me that he’s not committed to our program, that he’s not ‘all in.’ I want what’s best for all of our players."
Read into that what you will, but it appears Edsall's not exactly broken up about it (at least publicly). It looks like he's comfortable with C.J. Brown running the program, and with Locksley's pro-style spread hybrid, that might not be a bad thing.
Locksley had a similar group of personnel at Illinois, and he was pretty effective with a run-first quarterback (Juice Williams/C.J. Brown), power running back (Rashard Mendenhall/Wes Brown) and stud D.C. area wideout (Arrelious Benn/Stefon Diggs). Now, I'm not saying any of those guys are as good as their Illini counterparts, but it's a good place to start.
In terms of likely landing spots, Vanderbilt and Stanford are two names I've heard bandied about quite a bit. [EDIT: Apparently no Vandy]. O'Brien won't have to sit out a year thanks to the NCAA's rule on graduate students, unless he transfers to an ACC school (which you've got to imagine Maryland wouldn't allow anyway). Garcia will almost certainly end up in Georgia, while Rowson is a wild card, although both will have to sit out a year if they transfer to another FBS school.
Ben will come in later with the official transfer count, but I believe we're at 12? You know it's bad when you lose track.
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battle-tested?
this blog’s hard-on for cj brown is moronic. HE ISN’T GOOD.
by bobsaget on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Technically, it's only MY obsession w. CJB
And I own up to it. Pete, Dave, and Ben G are all just being honest.
And even if he does suck he is battle-tested.
then he failed the test. he was bad. his arm isn’t very strong.
i do agree that garcia transfer is massive. i just also think resting hopes on brown is just foolish
by bobsaget on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have a better plan?
Brown isn’t perfect, but he does have a strong arm (just not a very accurate one) and is lightning in a bottle on the zone read. So what are Maryland’s strengths? CJ’s legs. Promising RB talent. And Diggs.
So we turn into a weird version of the Crowton spread, based upon holding onto the ball, not making mistakes, and getting big plays out of CJ and Diggs when we can. Similar, only we’re not obsessed with having no TOP.
Remember, CJ was ranked more highly than DOB out of HS. He has a wealth of natural talent. It’s about harnessing it at this point.
And he was just a Sophomore last year...
with no collegiate experience. Of course he needs to grow, but he will…
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by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
You are really reaching here Ben.
Who cares who was more highly ranked out of HS? CJ might be “battle-tested” but even you admitted he sucks. His completion percentage looks more like Shaq’s free throw percentage.
I have to agree with the first comment on the blog…he’s just not that good. Will you get fired for being realistic? Or are you really just trying to see the positive side here?
Uh, I didn't admit "he sucks"
I said that even if he did suck, he would’ve still been through the fires – ie, he isn’t a total loss and he can build.
No one has control, editorial or otherwise, over me or the blog. I just genuinely like CJ.
LOL
So you want us to lose, so you can get rid of a coach you don’t like?
Go away. You aren’t a fan. You are a troll.
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by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yep because itd be me personally firing Edsall!
I should generalize that statement. I would rather see this program struggle for another year so Kevin Anderson is forced to get rid of the head coach, which in my humble opinion will benefit the program. The sooner the head coach is removed from his position the better.
What a constructive argument to further the discussion.
When it comes down to it, Edsall swooped in and took a team fresh off a bowl win with the most promising young QB talent in the ACC and an All-American safety and led them to a 2 win season.
I have responded to you in other spots on this thread
And you’ve yet to answer me. You just keep ranting on and on about Edsall and how you’d rather see this program fail next year, just to get rid of him. Get a grip. The reason you want them to struggle is because if they DON’T struggle, it would be a sign that gasp, just maybe this program is heading in the right direction, despite the fact that Edsall’s still at the helm.
Not to mention
The program has made strides to get better. Crowton and Bradford are gone, we got a super DC recruiter, and we just picked up the #1 recruit in Maryland. We can’t buy out Edsall, so hating on him is just making things worse. Yes, 2010 was a mess and a lost cause, but that doesn’t mean the program – with Edsall there – can’t recover. And like I said, they’ve made strides to do so.
Crowton and Bradford shouldn’t have been here in the first place. And, for that matter, nor should have Randy!
Let’s see what shakes out next season. If we have another disappointing year, Randy should be put curbside.
I am ROOTING for the team. Hope we kick some serious ass in 2012!
Take that up with KA.
Obviously I feel Crowton and Bradford shouldn’t have been here. I don’t understand what that has to do with what I was arguing. I too want to see what next season brings.
I responded :)...but the same was done to me many times.
Im not on this blog as much as other i guess because apparently Edsall is being bashed like this daily.
Let me say it again—I would be ok with us firing Edsall and having an interim head coach for 3 years.
And back to the topic, I dont think CJ can be more than a middle of the pack Qb.
What upsets me is DOB had the potential to be this best QB in the ACC. The coach, instead of coming in and helping his players, is interested in having everyone bow down to him and the way he wants things done. I’m pretty sure im paraphrasing you on this one Ben—and please correct me if I’m wrong—but one of the big problems players and those involved with MD football had with Edsall was that he was more concerned about the way things were done, not if they were done correctly.
Here is an example—>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QoXeRmSmtQ&feature=player_embedded
Watch the end of the video. Is Chizz wrong? Yes. Was the way Edsall went after him a good way of coaching? If you agree with him…then we have a fundamental difference of opinion right there.
Yes, and I agree that that was one of the biggest problems in the program
But I think it’s clear after last year that DOB was far from a sure thing, even if the system was suited to him
He was a freaking Sophomore?
Playing in his first action, against very good competition. Give him a break.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think the issue is that we lost the better QB.
I refuse to argue with you Chuck. You are either a troll or just plain fucking stupid.
Again
There is no way you can say that — totally different QB’s and CJ hasn’t had a legit opportunity to step up and prove himself…. Although I seem to recall a 21 point 4th QTR alone vs #8 clemson when DOB couldnt do shit.
People forget these things
when it doesn’t help their case
I can't believe I'm defending Chuck D
but that was a pretty douchey comment, tw10. Chuck’s remark was spot-on, IMO. DOB had a majority of snaps in practice and spring ball, so of course he performed better. But DOB was yanked when the offense sputtered. Give CJB a chance at a full offseason as “the man”, and then see what happens.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wasnt really refferring to the DOBvsCJ when I said he is stupid.
That comment was based off of reading comments from many different threads.
IMO, DOB is the better QB. I dont think CJ will be anything more than average. I’d love to see him do more.
But yea, reading it over I know it didn’t sound right.
He is battle-tested
But yes, it’s just Ben B who is obsessed with him. I’m not the biggest fan, but experience goes a long way at QB. I also think he’s a solid fit for Locks’ offense
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you can teach a passing game, you cant teach speed and elusiveness
Give cj an offseason to work on his passing game and he can be a threat
Lets gooo Maryland
by Terrapin13 on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Qb's become more aware of their pocket as they mature...so yes elusiveness can be "taught" or "learned".
You cant teach somebody to take the ACC by storm their freshman ye—-wait…i guess most of it was taught because when our new crack(head) team of coaches came in Danny was fucking up left and right.
Are you that dense?
The ONLY reason DOB did as good as he did his Freshman year was due to Torrey Smith. He had almost half of DOB’s yards, and over half of DOB’s TDs. The only receiver that could reel in badly thrown balls was there no more. THAT is why DOB had a drop off. DOB couldn’t start for 2/3’s of the ACC.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Diggs
Um…Diggs has officially signed his LOI right and is locked in right?
He can ask for a release…. but it’s pretty doubtful that would happen. He and his family are apparently pretty happy with the decision. If the rumors that someone posted in the fanpost are true though, Urban Meyer’s still trying…
Isn’t that highly unethical?
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by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but if that's public knowledge...
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by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
will Locks transfer QB have to sit out a year?
or is he the favorite to win the starting position?
If you're talking about Zach Dancel
He has to sit out a year and will probably play safety.
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Blocking Vandy
Is a huge mistake for Randy…..This is Randys ego showing through and it just proves that his talk about wanting the best for his players is just hot air……just another attempt by Lt Sobel to keep his boys in line…..he is going to the SEC for crying out loud…..
that block is justified
because of the most obvious reasons. It’s not just the SEC, and you know it – why state it that way? Like you’ll mislead some reading your post? Lame…
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Block is not justified....
not for a kid who gave everything he had for your program, graduated early and wants to go to another conference because he might get a chance to play more……not at all unless you are a small minded bitter person….and for all of you Edsall gulpers who complain about poaching, thats why the 1 year rule exists…..in DOB case it doesnt apply because he is graduating…you can probably count on 1 hand the number of players who graduate, still have eligibility and want to transfer…it rarely happens
It happens more than you think
Russell Wilson? There were a couple other players as well the last 1-2 years. Happens a bit in basketball too.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Totally justified....
There are plenty of other schools to go to. It is inappropriate for Franklin, or anyone on his staff, to be trying to pluck DOB… It isn’t permitted in the real-world, and it shouldn’t be permitted here.
what do you mean?
i’m not sure i have an opinion on the topic per se’… but does “it doesnt happen in the real world” mean… it sure as hell does! Companies hire folks from competitors all the time. every day. and thats for direct head to head competition…. this isn’t even that close because MD doesn’t play vandy.
Ever hear of a non-solicitation agreement?
Find an executive at a real company without one….
by Custos on Feb 13, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on...
You are being way too harsh. This does happen all the time in the real world, if your only example is an executive than you are really limiting your theory that this happens in the real world. I’m in a vp position in banking but its not considered and executive position. I get calls every other day, and people in my profession are poached all the time. This just makes us look petty. I think if you are granting a transfer, you say ok no one that we have to compete with, the ACC and direct rivals thats it. Let him go to vanderbilt. This is obsurd.
Yes...
… im fairly up where i work (snr. director), point being im not a newbie in this world — and the only way those things hold up is if they are getting paid the whole time weather working or not… you can’t enforce someone not have a right to earn a living. If you want to pay them not to work – all the power to you, but that rarely happens; and rarely is even attempted to be enforced.
Why do you think all those execs keep jumping from google to microsoft to apple to , etc, etc, etc….
yeah, and there are buy outs of contracts (if permitted), etc. and non-compete clauses
Custos point is still valid. The fact that you’re not a newbie, doesn’t make your unrelated content to matter in the world of the NC2A – that is a different world with some different rules, and some similarities.
But the jumping around comes at a cost – that is negotiated.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I guess most of you don't have very skilled jobs
Every position I have ever had as had a Non-solicitation agreement (excluding the small company I worked for for a year just out of school).
http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryn/g/nonsolicitagreement.htm
you can jump wherever you want, but you can’t solicit other folks to join you…. and that CAN be enforced…. it is totally different from a non-compete
This is a foolish application of an irrelevant legal agreement
First of all, non-solicitation is fine. That would be between FRANKLIN and the University of MD, and would have nothing to do with DOB, unless DOB suddenly has become a player-coach at a college he’s trying to transfer to.
Second, non-solicitation agreements are near impossible to prove, because even if one is in place a person is free to seek employment with another party of their own volition unless their employment agreement is similarly and explicitly restrictive. As someone above pointed out, non-competes are often used to scare lower-level employees away due to the threat of expensive legal battles, but are generally considered unenforceable in most cases.
Bottom line is that Randy and Co have no tampering case or they’d be going for it, you can believe that. They’re just being a-holes because they can, to send a message to their team.
And IMO, it’s the wrong message, but this is a guy who wants to instill crushing discipline at all costs, so it’s not all that surprising.
I never thought of the MD program as being particularly out of control or anything so all this insane “my way or the highway” crap is just a solution in search of a problem as far as I’m concerned, a gimmick, a distraction.
Not out of control at all.
It’s not like we had reduced practice time and a loss of scholarships for violations, and those suspensions had nothing to do with players failing their classes or not passing drug tests.
by FearTheTurtle on Feb 14, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
We're not talking about...
Burger King hiring former McDonalds employees when we talk about the real world.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
In banking, and in the finance world.
Which i’ve been in since I graduated 7 years ago, people get sniped all the time. the only guys that sign contracts are typically the high level execs, I’m not going to speculate but i have the feelign many on here have not experienced that category, and those with personal information mainly financial advisors. i’m in a vp commercial lending position and we do get sniped all the time for better pay. I’ve used it before to get raises and persk. so lay off the high and mighty ’real world" argument.
And who knows...
Edsall may suspect tampering. So, the block would be appropriate under those circumstances…
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe all the posters
who speculate on all the behind the scenes happening in Terps Sports…then become altruistic idealists who believe 100% that there’s no real chance that even one discussion was held between ANY Vandy reps at the school and DOB.
Even so, if it didn’t happen great. but if it did, then RE is covered. It’s the way the 2A world works – it was a reasonable move. Ban, Dave, all saying it, no one listening Chucky.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
As I understand it, almost every single other NCAA head coach would do the same.
You cannot allow former coaches to poach your players, otherwise it’d be a madhouse.
by FearTheTurtle on Feb 13, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like this
Let the kid go wherever he wants to go. No point in holding grudges here. The kid is trying to do what’s best for himself. I hate when coaches block kids from going to certain schools.
No...
You can’t have competitor’s recruiting players off of your team. Especially if they are former coaches.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I do agree with you here though Chuck.
I agree with the ACC and direct rivals and teams that we have to play. but not Vandy. Again i’m behind edsall, I just think this makes us look petty. Should have done everything he did except put in the vandy clause.
Vandy actually is our direct rival
as long as Franklin continues to recruit our fertile DMV grounds. I don’t blame Edsall for standing his ground on this, hopefully DOB goes to Stanford and finishes strong and gets drafted high.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but everyone is already recruting the DMV
This isn’t going to stop him from recruiting here. In fact an argument can be made that this will help franklin “he’s scared of us, look what he did to DOB, he’ll do it to you too” etc.
I think there's some gamesmanship going on between RE and JF.
Anything that hinders JF is ok with me now, knowing he is shit-talking our program. Plus, I’ll take Lox over JF in any recruiting war. Again, I want to see DOB reach the pros, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over checking JF’s attempts to poach.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Two different issues here
If Maryland thinks Franklin influence O’Brien leaving or had talks with him, they 100% should limit him from going to Vandy and I guarantee you every coach/school would do the same.
Where Edsall deserves criticism is for how he handled his press release. He failed. Again. Seriously, someone needs to buy this guy a PR person. How can Edsall say O’Brien wasn’t “All-in” to the program when he went across the state last offseason to promote Maryland football. THAT is classless and Edsall should get a lot of backlash for those comments.
by Dave Tucker on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Edsall quoting O'Brien when saying "all-in"?
That’s how I read it, and that also falls in line with the Jeff Barker piece from the Sun about O’Brien needing to commit entirely to the program before spring football.
by FearTheTurtle on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
See TerpFanMA
Dave is getting to a more important point. Dave, I seriously believe there needs to be an assigned person that proofreads and provides RE an interpretation of how the statement will most likely be perceived in the public before it goes out. It cannot keep happening without reinforcing bad perception among many, even when viewed objectively.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Really??
You think the most important thing is how Edsall wordsmiths his statements? Get a grip…he is screwing up Dannys future for his own egotistical reasons….let him go to another conference….do you see New Mexico blocking Dancel from coming here? Nope
apples to oranges
The argument for the block was supported. “Live and be free” argument is not support.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing I said before
You know Dancel is sitting out a year right? DOB can go to VB if he wants to sit out a year as well….
Thats how it works in college ball.
DOB won't sit a year since he's graduating
He’s sitting a year if he goes to an ACC school only
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From the actual article above...
O’Brien won’t have to sit out a year thanks to the NCAA’s rule on graduate students, unless he transfers to an ACC school (which you’ve got to imagine Maryland wouldn’t allow anyway).
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Edsall has said some stupid things,
but I didn’t think that was one of them. If Danny was “all in,” he wouldn’t voluntarily leave the program. To me, that’s kind of the definition of not all in.
+100
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, get off your hard on for hating on Edsall
EVERY single coach in the nation would of made that move. James Franklin is rumored to have been bad mouthing MD to potential MD recruits, and from what we can speculate on probably was influencing the DOB decision to leave. Edsall was right to block that transfer, DOB will have oppotunities to play elsewhere in the nation.
I’m almost positive Edsall told DOB he would block the Vandy transfer, all coaches tell the players where they are not going to be allowed to transfer to before they officially make the decision as to whether they want to transfer.
of course he was
he’s probably still bitter that Anderson didn’t hand him the job like Yow promissed
Nope
You must be on crack if you think every coach in the nation would block a player from transferring out of conference……
by TerpfanMA on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is anyone blocking Dancel?
and not quite a fair comparison because we play WVU every year…..there is no harm in letting DOB go to vandy
There are some other differences between Dancel and O'Brien
Dancel is also transferring right after finding out Locksley was leaving New Mexico. O’Brien is a year removed and is only transferring after losing his grip on the starting position
You can't really blame Franklin, right?
I mean, maybe its kinda classless to do and burns bridges, but it was his version of “burning his diploma and flying a GT flag”. People do stuff all the time they shouldn’t, due to emotions.
On the other hand, allowing DOB to transfer to Vandy stands little chance of hurting us at this point. Are there recruits for whom we are competing?
Fear the Turgle!
If DOB xferred to vandy AND they won 9 games next season including over some SEC heavies...
The RE would have to avoid answering a lot of questions about it. Its not about tampering, he long ago lost in the court of public opinion versus JF as to who is the better coach (this is not ME saying so – look at the press coverage from SI). But then to watch the QB that left him go there and help take Vandy to the next level? An ego like RE’s could not deal with that. And that is why I think it is petty. JF would not need to “tamper” to get DOB….DOB would pick up the phone and call him.
This is not in DOB’s bests interests, only in RE’s. Please don’t try to justify it as potential tampering because seriously – JF would not need to tamper to get DOB.
by HughGR on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Light goes on
Good point. I hadn’t even considered that. If DOB was to succeed with Franklin then everyone would say “that should be our team”. Same coaches plus DOB.
Fear the Turgle!
I still don't think that's an excuse
Bad mouthing a school to recruits is something every school in the nation does. Whether directly or indirectly. You have the sell your school and program as better than the other schools the kid likes.
I agree
Coaches who block kids from going to certain schools are ridiculous IMO. This is someone’s life. Just because they don’t want to be a part of your program anymore, what gives you the right to tell them where they can and can’t go. I think this is something the NCAA needs to take a look at. It’s ridiculous. The coaches who do this abuse their power, IMO. Im sure they wouldn’t like it if universities were to put the same limitations they put on kids when thy transfer on them.
I agree, but I don't like singling out Edsall for it
It’s the culture at this level and most coaches do it. Hell, if we really want to we can go after the conferences for having the rule that you can’t transfer in-conference. Damn John Swofford messing with kids’ lives.
In conference transferring
I think that’s another stupid thing conferences do. If a kid wants to transfer, let him/her. They sit out a year and are good to go. I think more kids should start to do what Newton and other football players who transfer from SEC schools do. Go to Juco, and then be good to play wherever. The NCAA is really fumbling the ball on this, IMO
Conferences limit...
transfers because they still consider the players STUDENTS. And they don’t want STUDENTS transferring for the sole purpose of playing for a specific team or program. They think they are doing what’s best for the students, by preventing the chaos that unrestricted transferring would allow.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that argument and that's a joke
These kids are in school for athletics first. They could get a 4.0, and if they aren’t performing well, they could still lose their scholarship. The NCAA takes a hypocritical stance on this as well as many other issues as it relates to student athletes
Same could be said for JF
If they have a feeling he was in contact with DOB
If they think he indeed did contact DOB
And work on getting him to transfer, then yes, I’m 100% with them
It's business.
Edsall isn’t the first coach to do this, and he won’t be the last. He shouldn’t be singled out here. It’s one thing to be upset with the NCAA’s rules and such, but don’t act like this is an isolated incident.
one good year
Yes…DOB had a very good year…under Fridge and with some very good receivers….but who did not question his judgement last year…..his performance , at times, just did not look like the same person……
I am sure tht the coaches and the new OC…..discussed their plans with DOB…..there was not a meeting of the minds
He was playing under a totally different system
One not taylored to his strengths. Instead, it was a system taylored more to Brown’s strengths, and we still sucked. Danny’s #s this season are what they are because of the system Edsall and Co decided to run, not because Danny isn’t good
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then why would he still
stare down receivers and throw bone-headed interceptions even when he HAD time.
The system sucked for sure but it’s not ALL the system. The dude regressed.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
And to be fair to Danny
A lot of his Ints happened after REPEATED drops by receivers.
this.
I lost count of how many balls were bouncing off WR’s hands last year.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Under a different system...
against vastly inferrior competition.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
It's like you watched the games this year, Chuck
You are making too much sense for some of these folk
You are right...and it came after an absolutely dreadful year...
…but not as dreadful as the 2011 Terps were. Which was RE’s ONLY season as HC at MD at which he seemed to fail at every aspect of being a HC…..how many times was clock management an issue in a close game? Oh yeah – 4. 4 times the clock was clearly mismanaged in games that were close. In the rest of them, the team got their butts kicked thoroughly.
But recruiting, on the strength of one recruit, seems to have picked up.
GOOD FOR RANDY
I wouldn’t want him at Vandy either. I’m sure Franklin has talked to DOB about how much better he’d be there. I disliked Randy’d treatment of DOB, so I get why he’d leave. But not for Franklin.
"I want the best for our players"
“unless you transfer, then you’re not one of our players, so F*** you” – Randy Edsall
So Danny had 2 choices: Ride the bench for Edsall, or transfer to a program who would appreciate him, and Edsall had to be a dick about that and block a transfer to Vanderbuilt, to play for a coach who Danny could grow under. What an Ass
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
James Franklin has been talking a lot of shit
about MD and MD players all season. You think we owe him anything? Not to mention there are allegations coming out about perhaps some questionable contact between Franklin and O’Brien while he was a Terp. But the university should ignore all that and let Franklin have his cake and eat it too.
Sucks for Danny O’Brien but that’s the way things go in college football. Coaches get fired and a lot of times you can’t follow them around the country.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Who cares about Franklin
I’m talking about Danny, and whats best for him. If Danny is so terrible, why not let Franklin have him? I mean, Edsall was going to start CJ over Danny again, so whats the big deal? Its a win-win-win situation, but Edsall just wants to be an ass
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
The big deal is
you can’t allow coaches to come in and poach your players.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
You have any evidence of this poaching?
And who cares, Danny is a backup QB anyway, who needs him, right?
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Put two and two together
and you’ll see the evidence pretty clearly.
And no one ever said O’Brien sucks.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, putting "2 and 2" together doesn't cut it for me
There needs to be actual evidence and not rumors. heres an idea, maybe Danny just likes Franklin’s system, and knows Franklin would use him to his full potential? Its not like some coach he’s never met before is trying to get him to transfer to their school.
Also, why shouldn’t we hope for the best for Danny, a former Terp. He won’t get used here, but could make an impact elsewhere, especially for a coach he is comfortable with. How soon we are to turn on our own…
Hell, we’re not even going to play Vanderbuilt ever, so he wouldn’t ever play against us
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with Krypto
He wants to leave, he f-ing graduated, so let him go. JF would not NEED to tamper to get him. I am sure DOB would contact him first. Ludicrous.
The reason there isn't any evidence yet
is because there hasn’t been an investigation yet. So of course there are only ‘rumors’ right now. If there were hard evidence there wouldn’t too much need for speculation.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well....
Anyone here think DOB’s father went to Vandy a month or so ago to talk to Franklin since DOB cannot? if you don’t think Edsal wanted DOB around, why did he come down to East Forsyth High School twice in the past week to talk to his HS coach?
I don’t agree with the blocking decision, but screw Franklin. A cheat is a cheat.
Damn.
Edsall actually made that visit or did I misread something? Because if he actually went to talk to Obrien’s coach, that speaks volumes about how much Edsall actually cared about OBrien remaining as a member of this team.
the Pa connection
they may have previously spoken through the years – I would presume “yes”
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
"Putting 2 and 2 together"
isn’t that just another way of saying an assumption has been made or can be made? Isn’t that what’s happening when you say “Edsall was going to start CJ over Danny again”? Spring ball hasn’t started and no one knows how the QB competition would shape up and who would win. The move hurts the UMD depth chart at the least and if Franklin did have any contact prior to DOB asking his release (rumored) then I don’t blame RE at all. It sends a message to others possibly considering an exit from the program to follow Franklin as well.
How do we even know for sure Danny WANTS to go to Vandy?
That seems speculative as well. If Stanford offers, dimes to dollars, he’s going west, IMO.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter...
This tells Franklin he can’t poach our players. No need for him to even try any longer.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
What should tell Franklin not to poach our players
Is a formal accusation of tampering, with evidence to back it up.
But we know that won’t happen.
If you’re a good leader, you don’t fear your people walking to the competition. They’ll stay because they love you, not because they fear you.
Again, doesn't matter...
it only takes one incident to nip it in the bud. Franklin will not be a factor any longer.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Sure. You know what else he's nipped in the bud?
Any chance that players buy the “I’m only interested in what’s best for you, son” line he’s always selling.
I wonder if Locksley was for this move or against it. I can’t see it making his life any easier.
In case you haven't heard...
…but recruits, and recruits parents seem to like Randy Edsall a lot more than Edsall’s critics do on these message boards. I think he’ll be fine once he has a team filled with such players.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously Chuck
you’re making it harder for me to dislike you, with all this “reason” and shit. :)
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
I wonder if Locksley should be getting as much heat as Edsall for the transfer.
It’s his offense, no? If he was the most important factor in Diggs coming here, wouldn’t he be the same for O’Brien staying?
(I know it’s more about past history at this point and the general program, but thought the point needed to be raised)
by FearTheTurtle on Feb 14, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
And just for shits and giggles
here ya go
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The big deal is...
…Franklin was a coach here. Franklin recruited O’Brien. And it’s been speculated that O’Brien might have had contact with Franklin about going to Vandy. There is no way you allow him to go to Vandy if that’s the case.
the only caveat should be if you graduate...
then you should be able to attend grad school anywhere you please without consequence.
Why not?
Do they really have that much bad blood towards Franklin? I was somewhat pleased to see him having a little success and hope it continues.
O’brien likes Franklin. Let him play where he wants, for whom he wants. Blocking a transfer to Vanderbilt hurts O’brien most of all, and nothing good comes from it.
Good does comes from it
it sends a message to other coaches that if you tamper with our players we will block them from transferring and you won’t get them. So don’t bother.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
realistically
He was never going to transfer to Vandy anyway because they have their QB returning (Aaron Rodger’s younger brother), Jordan Rodgers.
Also a very good point
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Then RE should not have blocked Vandy...
it only makes RE look petty. Well, a lot of things make RE look petty, but this makes him look slightly pettier.
Did Bill Stewart look petty
when he blocked Deon Long from coming here? No, he was just smart.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
If DOB was not going to Vandy anyway
then it’s not really a block, just a proposed block if he chose them.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
If they have evidence of tampering, by all means make the accusation.
If not, you just look like a spiteful jagoff who ruined a kid’s college career and won’t let him reunite with a coach who might resurrect it.
If it’s outside your conference, what difference does it make?
Oh, wait, I get it. If Franklin and DOB reunite and Danny starts putting up big numbers, Randy looks like an idiot.
Sure, a lot of other coaches make that move. A lot of other coaches don’t look like a guy who was given the keys to a car that was in okay shape, drove it into a ditch, then blamed the road, the ditch, and the steering wheel, but took no responsibility themselves. And now gets pissed when the passengers in the car wish to exit and ride with a better driver.
Are you serious? Who the fuck is "we"? Do you help make decisions related to UMD Football?
Danny is 21-22 years old. Coaches can go wherever the FUCK they want too. What about Edsall leaving his team and not even saying something to them? You know what, Fuck Edsall and his ego he is a piece of shit.
And please, tell me when our next game vs Vanderbilt is. Why the fuck should he care if Danny goes there?
Spiteful piece of shit. He’s a grown ass man. If I ever see him in person I will spit in his face.
big talk
stop acting like a 14 year old delinquent. All the talk of Edsall being a “grown ass man” you sure are setting a fine example of being one yourself. Just sayin’
by djcarv2005 on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nice. Instead of addressing the real issue at hand, talk about another blogger because you have nothing better to say.
Take out the profanities and the last sentence. Can you give your opinion on the topic at hand instead of how I choose to portray myself on the internet?
The same reason that has been stated over and over to you
It sets the precedent that Franklin can come in and just poach the players he once recruited. If you don’t think that Franklin and DOB haven’t been in contact you are completely blind to the obvious. There are reports all over the internet of it. Whether he was trying to recruit him to vandy or not is another story, but to sit back and pretend like such contact didn’t happen is just ignorance and bliss on your part.
You are biased to believe that it didn’t happen because of your absolute hatred of Edsall. You hate Edsall so much that if even as much of a grain of salt blaims Edsall for something you absolutely believe it no matter what. End of story. There is no reason to argue with you, because you won’t see past your hatred of him.
That would depend on the contract the coach can negotiate and sign.
The NCAA has rules for a god damned reason.
If I was RE
I would had told DOB to fuck off and sit out a year… I think its classless to leave your team high and dry unless there is a pressing personal issue. But I am just a bitch.
Or find a school that had a graduate program that UMD didnt, because he would get no release from me
So put it in perspective — I am sure there are plenty of coaches that wouldnt had granted releases at all.
Is this comment seriously rec'd? Coaches can do whatever the fuck they want in college sports.
Its fair that the players are punished for it?
Do you know for a fact Edsall would've started CJB over O'Brien?
Cause actually NO, you don’t.
No, I don't think you can assume that.
None of us have the insight as to what both DOB and the coaching staff felt.
No I'm not.
Are you actually reading what I’m saying? How do you know that DOB didn’t transfer because he didn’t want to go into Spring Ball in a competition for QB? That doesn’t mean the coaching staff doesn’t believe in him, it means they want to make sure the best man gets the job. Everyone knew there would be a spring competition had he stayed. DOB can’t just demand a starting job.
But he has more options than Vandy.
Us blocking him to Vandy doesn’t mean that was definitely where he was going to go. We took away the option, that’s all.
He left because he did't want to be part of a rebuilding effort in his last two years.
The block has nothing to do with him, it has to do with Franklin and not letting him take whoever he wants. Its not like Danny O doesn’y have options. Wisconsin, Michigan State and Stanford are excellent options, and options that are better than Vandy anyways. Stop bashing Edsall, let the man do his job. Especially considering you have no idea what goes on behind those closed doors…
by fballplyr92 on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Off topic...
but anyone worried about recruiting violations going on right now?
huh?
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by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's saying
it just doesn’t add up… you have a program essentially in disarray, you hire a recruiting specialist whose able to grab a couple unexpected commits, why did those guys commit given the current state of the program?
The Bernie Dancel and Mike Locksley Love Fest?
Also, I don’t think there are ANY rules re: Bernie telling kids, on his own time, I’ll pay your way to GC if you give MD a look. I’m sure that NEVER happens anywhere else and I sure as shit don’t give a crap about what Bernie and an 18y/o have conversations about.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
This whole GC deal
son of rich guy funding GCs program, kid living with rich guy, stud recruit picking MD over OSU, Auburn, and Florida because he wants to win championships….
I am not saying it is going on, but it seems a little off to me.
Michael Oher's dad
was a big Ole Miss booster I believe
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Close to a booster
Im sure some of Rich Guys money made it to MD around the time of the new O/C hire since they are boys. Think Rich guy even had home in same neighborhood as O/C in NM. Randy let DOB out of his scholarship before people start digging. Karma is a *&(ch. You gave scholarship to an average player that has to sit out 1 year and got a 4 and 5 star recruit that can help you this season with rich guy/boosters help. Your ahead of the game move on……. .
tell "Rich guy"
I said thanks!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
for being Rich
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
unless his name is merely Rich
and he’s a persuasive used car salesman – lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, tOSU troll
Dancel was born in Hawaii and went to Delaware. He has no connection to the university. He is friendly with Locksley because he likes Locksley as a person – much like the Spences like Urban Meyer as a person. And yes, Dancel is essentially Wes Brown’s guardian. It’s not shady.
Wow OSU still butthurt about losing one 5 star, jeez lol
Whats wrong with a kid choosing not only a school less than 20 minutes from his house, but a very good school as far as academics, and can still have a realistic shot at going pro.
Have you ever been to Ohio?
It explains everything.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he does have a connection
his son goes there, along with the kid that lived with him
by HeroOfTheDay on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wait
so your saying that because his son and Wes Brown go there Dancel has a connection to the University so he paid off Diggs to go there too?
You don’t think he picked MD because he was teammates with Dancel, Brown and Madaras (other 2012 MD recruits) do you? Nah, that’d make too much sense. Go sulk on your own forum.
Sulk?
I am just saying he is connected to UMD, how is that sulking?
by HeroOfTheDay on Feb 14, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
No, that's right
And in fact that’s the biggest reason Wes is coming here, he lives with the Dancels and considers Zach essentially a brother.
But there isn’t necessarily anything undue about that. My point was to respond to the tOSU guy who was making it out like this was Dancel’s plan all along. Dancel will have influence, I’ve been adamant about that, but he’d never do anything to help Maryland unless Zach was here.
Dancel has no affiliation with MD
Therefore, it isn’t the recruiting violation you are implying.
And as for the Oher comment, someone was right in saying that the dad was an Ole Miss booster so that could of been a perceived violation
How many schools can you block him from?
Does he have to go outside the ACC?
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Technically, you don't have to grant the transfer request at all, right?
So i suppose in theory you can block as many schools as you want
That is correct
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
not granting a kid a release is widely frowned upon…there was that kid who wanted out of St. Joe’s hoops and wasn’t granted…turned into a huge story, it’s not worth the negative publicity that comes with it IMO
Please name some examples. And why are you so spiteful twoards these college kids?
Coaches move around all the time…and they working on paid contracts.
Just tried to find high school highlights of CJ on youtube (or even highlights from last year)
and all I could find was one video of an interception against Clemson.. could anyone help me out with this?
by dcsportsfanatic on Feb 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions
I couldn't find much either
But here’s an example of the possible explosiveness of a Mike Locksley offense. The personel we have now aren’t nearly as experienced, but a poor mans version of this leaves us in a pretty good place
Every other coach would do the same????
Really? Did anyone block Zach Dancel from following Locks to UMD???
Erm
He is sitting out a year right? DOB could sit out a year and go to Vandy if he wanted, right?
I thought he could play immediately because he is graduating.
Fear the Turgle!
He can play immediately
only if he goes to a school with a grad program that UMD does not offer. Otherwise he has to sit out like other transfers.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Read the reply
He is talking about Zach Dancel
A good read
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2009.pdf
Sitting out — or academic year in residence — Under the basic transfer regulations, you must spend an academic year in residence at the school to which you are transferring. If you transfer from a fouryear college to an NCAA school, you must complete one academic year in residence at the new school before you can play for or receive travel expenses from the new school, unless you qualify for a transfer exception or waiver. To satisfy an academic year in residence, you must be enrolled in and successfully complete a full-time program of studies for two-full semesters or three-full quarters. Summer school terms and part-time enrollment do not count toward fulfilling an academic year in residence.
While Dancel will have to sit out a year and have three seasons of eligibility remaining beginning with the 2013 season,
Tell me what we gain by blocking Danny to Vandy?
We don’t play them so it’s not like it’s going to come back and cost us a win. It just reenforces a believe that Edsall is a hard-nosed Pr*ck.
We are supposed to be making decisions that are best for the school—not make petty decisions because we don’t like what someone is saying about us.
by Terpentine on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It sends a message to other coaches that if you tamper with our players we will block them from transferring and you won’t get them. So don’t bother.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have evidence that anyone tampered with our players?
No, the fact is that DOB was recruited by and had a relationship with JF….Edsall needs to let him go and stop being a Pri#k
Great thing about the rules
Even if it DOESNT exist, they don’t need evidence… They were nice to release him, they had no obligation to do so.
exactly right
he is free to be a pri@k if he wants to……in fact it is in keeping with his demeanor and further reinforces why almost 25 players have decided they would rather not play for him…you allowed to be a jerk in life but why do it?
He is just f’ing with Franklin and DOB is paying the price for Edsalls bitterness…..absolutely NO need to do it whatsoever
This isn't pop warner this is Division 1 football
this is the way things work. It happens all the time in college football whether you want to admit it or not.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not every program
Has the unique situation that they just had big coaching changes and a former coach is now at another school, and may have talked to said player or player’s parents.
And not every program
Has a coach with a massive image problem, has lost the team and forced an exodus of players based on his inflexible, unnecessarily stern attitude, and generally alienated the fan base.
But that’s what we got.
“My way or the highway” works when you are Mike Shanahan and the player is a turd like Albert Haynesworth who has taken the carrot and refused to play ball.
Doing this to a kid like DOB who is already a sympathetic figure, when you are already on seriously shaky ground with the fans and boosters is a dumb, dumb move by Edsall. He’s sending a message alright, it’s just not the one he’s hoping.
Remember that interview in the WaPo after the season
When RE said that people blew things out of proportion when referring to the question about the suspensions and lack of playing time. He said that there were failed drug test, lying about being tutored to keep grades up, and let’s not forget Ronnie Tyler’s 7/11 stunt. Now, if he was such an assholes as you guys make him out to be, why didn’t he just tell everyone what was really going on? It would have ruined their image, the previous staffs image, and shamed the parents who stuck up for their kids because the didn’t like what was going on. No, he kept it secret from WaPo, who by the way would have ate it all up, so the guys won’t have to deal with that kind of pressure, some asshole.
LOL Terpfan
ZOMG I HATE EVERYTHING RE DOES HES A TERRIBLE GUY EVEN THOUGH HE DOES WHATEVER OTHER HC WOULD DO ZOMG.
simple is as simple does
You should know about bitterness, so maybe you see something I don’t in RE. I just see a move made for the right reason. He didn’t block half of D! teams, it was one team, and for a good reason.
Go in his office and ask him why off the record.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Some people will take every last thing Edsall does and use it to try to run him into the ground. It was a business decision, and it happens all the time. Leave Edsall alone. It’s not petty, it’s College Football. Get over it.
I believe Dan Hawkins has something to say about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4T26x6GZEw
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
made my day! Thx!
N.B. – pull up that vid, and on the right is Leach’s “Fat Little Girlfriends” vid – lmao
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be nice to see him and the program show some class?
Especially after a year they should all be embarrassed by?
by tw10 on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give me a break.
Edsall is not protecting anything but his ego here. Franklin and Vandy can’t hurt him unless Danny goes there and turns out not to have been the problem at all.
He’s got the power to do it, but let’s not get all high and mighty with “hey, everyone else does it, so it must be OK”.
If this were a disciplinary transfer or a kid who was flat out refusing to play ball, it’d be one thing. It’s not. It’s a high stakes embarrassment for Edsall that he is trying to bury in a very public setting.
And he’s cowering behind a rule that he doesn’t have to use, for reasons he doesn’t have a legitimate need to enforce.
This is COLLEGE football. These are STUDENT-athletes. Eveyone should be looking out for the best intrests of these kids.
Stop making it seem like Danny owes the University of MD something. Goddamn. They were “nice” to release him? Really?
In a perfect world, student-athletes would get paid by the NCAA.
This world ain’t perfect, you can’t always get what you want. If DOB really wants to go to Vandy, sit out a year. Otherwise, pick one of the other ton of schools that are available to him, including Stanford and some other NFL factories. He does have options, ya know.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine you are an executive at Facebook...
you’ve got a hotshot developer that works on innovating within the realm of social networking. They don’t like their new boss, and want to follow their old boss to Google to work on Google+. If Facebook had a clearly legal way of blocking that developer from going to work for Google, would they not be acting in their own best interest to deny them that opportunity.
Google and Facebook aren’t exactly in the same markets (one is a search engine the other a social networking site), but there’s enough overlap that you could consider them competitors. It’s not a perfect analogy for the situation, but you get the point.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if the ncaa wants to come out and admit that d1 sports is a competitive business and pay the players, you might have point.
This is. More like an unpaid intern for Facebook being blocked from working at google next summer.
by UtzTheCrabChip on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Applying employment law to the NCAA is not going to get anyone very far
The situations are nothing alike, and besides, the point that people who hate this decision are making has nothing to do with the legality or ability of Edsall and UMD to do this.
It’s that they come off looking like d-bags here and this only hurts the program in the long run.
I don't understand how the players aren't getting paid already
Did you go to school for free? I know I didn’t. I could really use that $45k back. The concept that the kids aren’t already getting paid is a fallacy. 90% of the kids who attend ANY university have to actually, get this, PAY to go there, not go for free. A 100-level Econ class will teach you this is equivalent to “getting paid”.
There are, at the most basic level, two reasons a university let’s you go there for free. 1) b/c you’re crazy smart and they hope you will bring a level of prestige with your academic/professional success or 2) you’re a really good athlete and help the uni make money.
Now, is the money you bring in even close to the money that you get paid. Uhh, no. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! Get over it, you got something for free that the vast majority have to pay for.
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Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Because its how it works
And we all agree to the same rules…..
Rumors are they were broken.
— If you are enrolled full time in a four-year school, athletics staff members from an NCAA school cannot contact you or your parents unless they first have a letter from your current athletics director (or athletics administrator designated by the athletics director). If your current school does not grant you written permission-to-contact, the new school cannot encourage you to transfer and — in Divisions I and II — cannot give you an athletics scholarship until you have attended the new school for one academic year. If you are transferring from a school that is not a member of the NCAA or NAIA, you do not need a permission-to-contact letter.
by Custos on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DOB didn't announce his move
while Terps were in the recruiting period so for that alone he gets my well wishes where ever he goes. Randy E is right to block DOB to Vandy. You can bet Franklin has been in his ear with no help to Maryland while also trying to steal local recruits. Why give him opportunity for a media event he competes with us. Terps owe him nothing. Actually, F him. Locks is going to run the ball and CJ is a better fit. DOB knows that and I don’t think it is any more complicated than that. Garcia and Rowson have given reasonable reasons to move on and absent to the contrary I don’t blame Randy. Coaches do need to find some JuCo linemen in a hurry.
by Corvette Terp on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
DOB had no choice but to transfer. Why stay with a program that benched him and ran an offense that didn’t take advantage of his strengths. Of course he’s TRANSFERRING. DUH.
And why not transfer to a school with a coach who realizes his talents and has the ability to harness them. Any kid would want that, right?
Edsall is rightfully embarrassed by DOB leaving and the prospect that DOB might show Edsall up.
But the funniest thing about this blog is people saying CJ has a strong arm. That’s laughable, He ain’t got it. And running QBs are one play away from being down and out. The move to CJ last year was premature and lead to this transfer that now puts the program in an extremely difficult spot. You reap what you sow.
I know the excuse for CJ will be we lost so many offensive lineman. Boo hoo. But if Maryland doesn’t win 8-9 games next year, it should be Edsall looking for work.
by Go Maryland on Feb 13, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with everything you just said
Esp about CJ… and so did every scout that watched him in HS — I doubt he regressed.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/58736/cj-brown
Possesses very good arm strength and a quick release. Shows over-the-top mechanics and excellent zip on deep routes and routes thrown outside of the numbers. Could be a very good spread guy, but also has the size and arm strength to be more of a pro-style guy as well.
by Custos on Feb 13, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He don't need no stinkin' facts
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by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HS is HS. Scouting reports are just that and nothing more. Fact is, CJ showed virtually no passing ability last season. None.
You remember that clemson game
You know, the one where he went 17/35 for 177 yards at 5.1 yards per attempt w/ 3 TD’s and 1 INT?
So the passing game will now be throwing it as hard as you can and let Diggs outrun everyone on defense
problem solved
I just hope Mike Locksley
brings back the patented James Franklin bubble screen. We actually got a guy who is tailor made for it
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what to tell you, CJ has a strong arm.
He has no idea how to use the damn thing but he can gun. In his junior HS video he throws a 50-yard pinpoint dart, and that was four years ago.
You want to say CJ is a good passer, say it. But “not a good passer” and “doesn’t have a strong arm” aren’t the same thing.
And last year on the field? Sorry, but saying something and seeing it materialize on the football field are two different things. it didn’t happen last year and defenses certainly don’t respect his arm as evidenced by packing the line of scrimmage and daring CJ to throw, He wasn’t able to get it done.
Regardless, DOB transferring, whether he would have started or not, is a major blow to the program. Edsall and Anderson are under enormous pressure. I can’t imagine anything less than a winning record keeps Edsall in place. It seems to me the Maryland fan base has seen enough.
Yeah, he wasn't a very good passer
I admit that. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a gun, because he does. He just doesn’t know how to use it yet.
DOB isn’t a big deal on the field. He’s a big deal in PR and PR is perception. If people stopped worrying about it the issue would go away. If Edsall wins, the issue goes away.
We can go in circles all day
CJ is not a good passer, is highly erratic, and not particularly accurate. But if you put Danny and CJ side by side to see who could throw farther, CJ’d win. And that, IMO, is the definition of a “strong arm.”
I do think Danny is more talented but plenty of one-dimensional players have succeeded at this level – Juice Williams and Taylor Martinez being the first two that come to mind. All about the other 10 players and Locksley at this point.
Not a chance he out throws DOB. Not a chance. But you are right, it’s about the other ten players and Locksley. And Edsal. And getting another head football coach in here in 2013.
Dude he's right
that’s all I can say. Danny has a lot of skills but it’s not like he ever had some cannon for an arm (arm strength is overrated anyway, but still)
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Okay then.
FWIW, the “CJ vs Danny throwing contest” thing is unrealistic and was unnecessary – for that note, I apologize. Poor form.
But having seen the tape of both of them from their HS days and every second both have played in college … I’m confident CJ’s arm is at least as strong as Danny’s and probably stronger. I’m not saying he’s a better passer – he’s not – but he has raw talent and a strong arm.
^ Mr. Negativity.
I’m going to have to agree with Ben on this one. IMO, DOB never truly had a “strong arm,” which is why it surprised me when Torrey Smith tweeted that he did. If you watch DOB throw a deep fly, the ball goes straight up in the air when he releases it (which isn’t ideal). Also, many of DOB’s short passes to the flat were thrown at receivers’ feet, reminiscent of McNabb on the Skins. His receivers didn’t help him, but either way, DOB was a little over-hyped, no matter what system he played in.
CJ Brown’s deep ball (based off of last season) has zip, but it is inaccurate and inconsistent. Even though he can’t see the field like DOB, he has some wheels, which is what I’d prefer against sack-happy teams like Clemson and FSU over a semi-accurate, semi-strong armed QB in DOB.
Hopefully CJ can take us from good to great now. haha. I bet he’s MORE than “all-in”
I kinda of doubt that
CJ would out throw DOB. Even if he did, it’s not like he’d put it remotely near the receiver downfield lol.
@nkeninitz
Also, Broman.
Aren’t you one to generally to police people who make statements without actual knowledge. Have you seen Danny and CJ throw side by side?
@nkeninitz
Eh, yeah, that was probably poor form on my part
It was poorly worded and, worst of all, beside my point.
Again: CJ has a cannon. He can’t figure out where to throw it but that doesn’t mean he physically doesn’t have the capability to make every throw.
There we go.
I can accept that, even as a CJB skeptic.
@nkeninitz
Don't get me wrong, i'm not a Edsall-lover or anything...
But why does it seem like so many people sticking up for the guy that quit on the program over our Head Coach?
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by grizzy on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Because people hate RE no matter what
Even if it defies logic.
it's blind now
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
RE won 2 football games. 2. Ben could have won 2 football games with that team. The arrogance of Edsall and the demolition of the MD football program should not last.
this
on the heels of an amazing finish to salvage a recruiting season into something promising. Only taking in some facts, which include the 2-10 season, but not the recruiting finish is not an accurate assessment.
If you cannot see it, maybe you would have won one game with the team last season.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Diggs was huge. But losing half a team to transfers is another part of the picture too. All in all, so far it;s a colossal fail.
half?
“slight” exaggeration. colossal fail is if we win 2-5 games for the next 5 years under RE – hyperbole does not prove a point, rather points out its weaknesses.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by John Stephens on Feb 13, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly!
I wish the guy the best, but if he doesn’t want to be here, then good bye. I just went to WaPos board and 99% of the people commenting there, including some “alum,” are mad as hell and talking about how they’ll quit the Terrapin Club. I personally think they are clueless, but its their opinion. I’m all for CJ starting and I like the other two QBs coming in.
Yeah those older alums who actually donate
and have been around the block a few times are the ones who are clueless..not the kid still in college.
WaPo board
lunatic fringe…enter at your own risk.
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Danny didn't "quit on the program" on the program.
He simply didn’t want to play for Edsall.
Nothing wrong with that.
He’s a student……not a slave.
Because Danny has done more for this program than Edsall
I don’t know why you’re sticking up for a guy who has driven 25 guys to transfer, and benched the ROY QB…
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Danny nearly blew...
the Miami game and damn near handed the ball to WVU when he had a chance to win the game. It wasn’t like he was Tom Brady last year.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
No, but at you also can't say that Danny had nothing to do with Danny's struggles.
If you’re going to entirely blame Edsall, then Fridge should get all the credit for Danny’s ROY season.
His struggles went hand in hand with Edsall's struggles.
His success went hand in hand with Fridge’s success. Fair?
I think DOB's freshman success was definitely helped
By Torrey Smith. Having an NFL-caliber receiver, rather than the likes of Ronnie Tyler (who apparently ate a Butterfingers before every game), makes a big difference. I think that Danny was held to an unfair standard by MD fans after his freshman year (and even KA for that matter – I heard he told fans Danny would win a Heisman before all was through??). But yes, I agree that the coaching factored in too. But mainly Crowton’s offense, not necessarily Edsall.
Danny throws the ball, right?
He threw several terrible, awful interceptions last year in big moments because he made dumb as a rock decisions with the football. That’s all on him.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
You mean the guy who did everything he was asked
and watched his career take a nose dive the same time the new coach took over?
The guy who watched a throng of his fellow players exit and wondered whether his shot at being a pro football player might be evaporating before his eyes?
The guy whose new coach so thoroughly alienated his fans, boosters and community that many were calling for his firing after one season, and he had to resort to firing BOTH coordinators and desperately reshuffling his entire leadership team?
That guy?!
Seriously, DOB is now “a quitter”?
I don’t hate Randy Edsall and was not married to Fridge. But Edsall is tone deaf and seems to be doubling down on “I know what I’m doing and the rest of you are stupid” and that does not inspire confidence or earn patience in my book.
- Yes, I know that Mike Shanahan does the same thing every year and I believe him. Or I want to believe him. But he has earned it more than Randy Edsall has, in my book.
Depth
I’m pretty comfortable with CJB starting, but I’m thinking beyond about quarterback depth. I like the two freshmen coming in, but it would be great to have a JUCO or two (so we can preserve a redshirt for one or both of the freshmen).
It also sounds like MD’s staff has been thinking the same thing or something similar for awhile. Does anyone know of any others that might be in the mix?
http://thegazette.com/2011/12/31/juco-qb-fills-void-depth-for-iowa/
After looking at the UMD athletics website,
We do have two other quarterbacks already enrolled besides CJB. Troy Jones and James Joseph, both spent their first year on campus here this year.
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Edsall is on our side after all...
by not having names on the back of jerseys all that hard earned cash I dropped for #5 Pride jersey’s for me and my son are still worth something. Brilliant!
Can someone explain something to me? Very confused about this
If O’Brien has already graduated, how can he “transfer”? I thought you are free to leave once you graduate. You sign scholarship papers for a year at a time. So if he graduated and hadn’t signed papers for next season, how can Edsall control his “transfer”? Which he is trying to do now by now allowing him to go to Vandy.
I don't think
I don’t think he’s graduated. He’s on track to graduate in the Spring, but I don’t think he’s graduated yet.
Also
See this article for more information. The key is that with the graduation exception (and the previous school’s permission) DOB can play right away. Which, seems like one of his reasons for transferring.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html
by Charles2 on Feb 13, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the info
I read that story too. That one kinda just makes your stomach turn.
This story is why I think RE made the wrong decision.
Again, I’m behind edsall but this just looks personal and petty.
Even when you graduate
you still need a ‘release’ from your current AD and coach in order to transfer to play at a different school.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
football gods meteing out justice?
Fridge’s firing fell under the rubric “There is no right way to do the wrong thing.” He was promised a stay if he did certain things,which he did, but was fired anyway. The football gods will mete out punishment until they’re assuaged (which oughta be now for sure).. Losing O’Brien hurts almost as much as realizing what a putz Edsel is, but I don’t blame DOB for leaving. Happy about the Vanderbilt block though,
Via @TerpsInsider
Danny O’Brien, Garcia and Rowson all had same stipulations: could not transfer to 16 schools: ACC schools, WVU, Temple and also Vanderbilt.
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They are playing them next year
again, something all coaches do.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
now it makes more sense
and still many will continue railing – smh
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
So now, in addition to turning in the 2nd worst record in 110 years of UMD football, the guy is a toolbag to boot…..
Those who know him best are the ones who played under him last year and 25 of them have already turned in their scholarships….
The horror show with Edsall goes on another year…
Anyone know of the last ACC coach to bench and run off the ACC ROY? Danny Ford?
by TerpfanMA on Feb 13, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah man
he’s such a douche that NO good local recruits are going to want to play for him.
That’s sarcasm for ya.
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
like I said
The ones who know him best are leaving…..the ones who are supporting him the most, have never played for him and only met him when he needed their LOI
25? You're sure about that? list them
and what about the players who stayed? what are you calling them? And why not come down to campus and say it to their faces while you’re railing all the time. It may help “adjust” your attitude a bit
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by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
You know what
They may had helped him w/ that adjustment under Fridge — almost certainly not under RE…
Do you understand the recruiting process at all?
They spent hours upon hours talking with Randy Edsall, talking to current players of Edsall, talking to former players of Edsall. They know what they are getting into. They didn’t just show up and be like “Hey Randy, I’ve never met you but I’m ready to sign my LOI.”
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by s.r.genovese on Feb 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't seriously think they signed because of Locksley
well, I don’t know what else to say. That IS why Edsall brought Locksley on, is it not? And by all accounts he at least realized the massive charisma deficiency he has there and found a guy who was good at selling kids on the vision for this program.
I highly doubt Diggs comes here if Locksley isn’t involved, which says more about Locks than Edsall.
Ultimately it’s all irrelevant if Edsall doesn’t begin to put a competitive, winning program on the field sooner rather than later. If he does, none of the players will care what a maniac he is. If not, I doubt even Locksley’s silver tongue will be able to overcome the hole Edsall is digging.
What had Danny done to deserve playing time?
Did you watch him hand the ball over to WVU and Miami in crucial moments because he stared down his receivers and then forced the ball into coverage? Crowton had an…interesting…playcalling scheme, but honestly Danny looked undisciplined and out of control when dropping back to pass far too often last year. He’s an inferior athlete to Brown (and hasn’t the refrain from Maryland fans all these years been about needing better athletes?) and looked like he was just as likely to throw a drive-killing INT as he was to complete his passes when he needed to.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
So, a guy who had proven he could throw the ball well under one coach
completely regresses under the new coach and scheme, but it’s all on the player? Wow, the NCAA really isn’t an amateur league anymore. That sounds a lot like the NFL to me.
People are buying into the Edsall stereotype way too much. Is he a self-righteous ass? Yes. But he’s not a sadist and he’s not going to block Danny transferring to Vandy without good reason. There are so many reasons to do that – tampering and negative recruiting among them – that I’m sure one will ring true. This is one of those situations (kind of like Turge taking Seth Allen right away) where you just need to accept that you don’t know everything about the situation.
Bottom line: people do things for a reason. Sometimes that reason is obvious, sometimes it isn’t. When it’s not obvious but there’s a lot of smoke, I’m inclined to believe that things might not be ridiculous as they seem on the surface.
Most Likely
There is no evidence because most likely there was no tampering…Franklin knows better and doesnt need to tamper with Danny..he has a returning QB from a bowl team coming back…..if Edsall has some evidence, then file a complaint with the NCAA….if not, let the kid transfer to an out of conference school…..
There is no down side to Vandy and it might just be a good fit for DOB….anyone who is seriously concerned about sending a message to Vandy is a little off…..DOB is a unique situation..there is no pipeline of other players waiting to go to Vandy
The best way for Randy to prevent perceived poaching from Vandy is to build a better, more successful program…..of course, if you cant do that, then you might want to block transfers
Haha, are you expecting a phone call to leak or something?
There’s not going to be evidence to leak. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You’re taking a view on this that confirms only what you previously believed. I don’t like Edsall at all but this isn’t one of the reasons to dislike him.
I would’ve been fine if he let him go to Vandy, but I’m fine blocking it, too. Every program does it when they feel they have cause to – tampering, negative recruiting, or future scheduling. Danny will have other options.
Cmon Ben
you can’t say that there was probably tampering, and say that you’ll never have evidence to back that up.
Loh is an alien, and Edsall likes buttsex, but I’ll never be able to get any proof of that, but, cmon, it must be true
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm being rational
I’m not saying there was tampering, nor that there was negative recruiting. I don’t presume to know. But I find it ridiculous to assume that there’s absolutely nothing going on beneath the surface.
Here’s how I’m looking at it: Edsall blocks transfer to Vandy, and there is no obvious reason to do so that we know of. So we can look at it one of two ways: Edsall is Mr. Potter, hates Danny O’Brien, and is doing this to kill his hopes and dreams; or that there’s some rational reason that we can’t see because we’re not in the program.
People like to hate Edsall so they’re taking Option A. I’m more inclined to believe that Edsall is a normal, if in-over-his-head, person who wouldn’t do this unless he felt confident that there was some reason to do so.
i don't hate edsall, I definitely respect your argument and you as well ben.
But I think we should have taken the high road here. Who’s left for Franklin to “snipe”. We don’t play vandy or the sec really so honestly the best move would have been to let the kid go where he wanted to go you know?
I would've been fine with that, but I really don't know the detailed circumstances of the situation.
I’m not the type of guy who thinks you have to deny every transfer to a past coach simply on that basis.
I just feel for DOB.
He’s the one that has to pay the price for all of this. I hope he does well. I hope the hell we never play the team he goes to lol.
Yup
One of the big problems with the NCAA is transfer rules. Messed up process.
by Ben Broman on Feb 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he's blocking all transfer from going to vandy
Sure, ACC, and WVU are understandable, and maybe even Temple, since we’ll play them again, but Vandy? We’re never going to play them. So if Franklin playing dirty with all transfer students?
by kryptonianjorel on Feb 13, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Disproving the affirmative
or something like that; its a logical fallacy and goes something like the following:
argument: there is no evidence to support the conclusion.
counter: there is no evidence disproving the conclusion
fallacy: the evidentiary burden always falls upon proving the conclusion.
Not really what I'm saying
See, my argument isn’t “Vandy tampered with DOB.” It’s “I recognize that there’s a good chance there’s something beneath the surface that we don’t know of that would cause Edsall to deny a transfer to Vanderbilt .” We may never know what it is.
Regardless, real life isn’t a logic test. I can never prove that there was tampering. That doesn’t mean there’s no chance it happened. My stance is merely recognizing the possibility of an actual reason, instead of vilifying Edsall as a caricature.
But but but
… vilifying Edsall is so easy to do and makes us all feel better! Edsall is a terrible coach! I heard he doesn’t like puppies or kittens!
So what?
Recognize that DOB had a relationship with JF, who recruited him and helped develop him, and let the kid go….
It is a super streeeeeeetch to make a claim that Vandy is poaching our players…just doesnt hold water….we dont play Vandy so it would be a magnanimous gesture on REs part to recognize what DOB has done for UMD and let him be…
The best thing for Edsall to do is develop a winning program that the players want to be part of……
So what?
So we’re not cool with anyone poaching our kids and won’t allow them to transfer if we believed that happened – and yes, maybe even if we can’t 100% prove it.
I’m not sure how it’s a stretch. In fact, it’s very nearly a stretch to think it didn’t happen, but I won’t go there.
Agree on the last note.
I used poaching our players
In the plural…DOB is a very unique case (since he is graduating) and he had a relationship with JF….other than this 1 single instance, I dont see anyone claiming that JF is in talking to multiple UMD players…
I can see restricting other ACC and regular compete teams, but this smacks too much of a personal issue between JF and RE…..and I suspect, if RE was honest with you, he would admit that he was just a bit annoyed with the success that DOB exhibited under the previous coaches vs what he got from him
Honestly...
If you’re argument moves into proving the other guy wrong by saying his argument is a logical fallacy, then you’re just grasping at straws. I agree with Ben that there are probably some undercurrents that won’t be seen – remember, DOB and Franklin were very close throughout the season – to think Franklin never once mentioned the word “transfer” and “Vanderbilt” in a sentence is incredibly naive.
I can agree with you and Ben that there was definitely something going on.
i just think doing this hurts RE’s image more than it helps keep coaches from tampering. You know? We should have taken the high road. I’m behind edsall, not 100% he has some serious work to do but I am not an Edsall hater. I just think this hurts us more than helps us and it seems too personal.
I don't believe for a moment
that any other coach in DI-A wouldn’t do this. Not in the slightest.
I never let logic get in the way
it constrains the imagination
Where does Vanderbilt recruit?
Did James Franklin enjoy a solid relationship in the DC area? Both schools have solid academic reputations and are behind the rest of their conference in terms of recruiting talent. They are almost perfect foils for each other in the SEC/ACC big picture. Franklin needs to get the memo: stay out of Maryland. The best way to do that is for Maryland to win and Vandy to lose. If denying Danny means that Vandy loses a few more games, its in our interest to see that it happens.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I was saying this too.
To not realize that Vandy is a direct competitor is not being honest with reality. Why help the competition when you don’t have to?
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't seem that hard...
I don’t know why there are so many people feeling like Danny has gotten some kind of raw deal. It’s globalization, man. We’re not just “competing” with ACC schools and WVU for talent. DC (and even to a degree Baltimore) is becoming recognized as a hotbed of talent. Schools in the lower tier of power conferences that can’t recruit against Alabama, Auburn, Florida, etc. are going to look to exploit opportunities. Franklin has spent nearly six years recruiting this area. While of course he’s going to try to kick in some doors down south, he probably can’t do that too often unless he’s winning some football games first. He needs to exploit his strength in the DMV area obtaining talent until he has enough cache to go up against the big boys.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Occam's Razor, Ben.
IMO, this is far less of an issue of Randy being a sadist, and much more about him protecting his image.
He is, for better or worse, a guy who presided over the complete regression of a QB we all expected to be one of the best in years, maybe more.
Ask yourself who has the most to lose if DOB and Franklin reunite and Danny has a great season?
It has nothing to do with Franklin poaching Danny.
Gary Crowton?
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It sure doesn't seem to be hurting him that much, by all accounts
Since half the comments right away have been “hey, every coach does this”.
What he would gain if he let Danny go would have paled in comparison to the egg on his face if Danny blew up at Vandy with Franklin.
What he loses here is minimal because the people who already dislike him just add another log to the fire and it’s nothing new, while analysts point out that coaches do this all the time. Upside is he avoids the (possible) problem of looking like he pushed out a great player and gets to kick Franklin in the jewels at the same time.
As a decision-maker it’s a smart decision.
As a guy who talks a lot about integrity and doing the right thing for these kids, building a value system, etc, it’s totally hypocritical.
Honestly, I think all we can do is wish the guy well.
I don’t think DOB had much of a choice, and if I was in his shoes, I’m not so sure I wouldn’t have made a different decision. He’s a talented player, and he was very likely going to ride the bench. We can look at his leaving in a “life isn’t fair” way, but frankly expecting DOB to just sit there isn’t fair to him.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
I was thinking the same thing
and take comfort in Imagining what it would be like if the Diggs thing had gone the other way.
If Randy Edsall had any self confidence in his own abilities he'd let Danny go wherever he wants
Danny OBrien never committed to play at Maryland for Randy Edsall and his previous band of retard coaches. He committed to Ralph and to James Franklin. Edsall comes in and installs an offense that wasn’t the one Danny committed to either, and it was an offense that wasn’t very good (I believe the OC from last year isn’t even in college football anymore).
So, with that said, why not let him go to Vandy? It has no effect on Maryland as they’ll never play each other. Randy is being petty because he’s a crap coach who’s never going to be able to carry James Franklin’s jock as a coach and he’s jealous that great players want to play for James Franklin instead of him.
Oh yeah and I could care less about Stefon Diggs. I’m still not renewing my tickets until this hack is gone.
Did you read what you wrote?
Sounds like a girl bashing a boy after he dumped her.
Scrambled but hopefully coherent thoughts
I don’t approve of RE as much as the next guy (not necessarily you, but the guy next to you), but if RE and Maryland rattles off 5 10-win seasons in a row, can we still hold you to not renewing season tickets until he is gone? All I am saying is maybe step back from the hyperbole.
Also, the recruits sign their LOI to the schools, not to coaches. The recruits know that coaches can change for just about any reason, so in a way its something that should always be in their mind when deciding on schools.
I don’t think RE is being a petty coach, I think he is being kind of reasonable as a D1 coach, but even still I’d let DOB be able to go to Vandy if he wanted.
Maybe I'm in the minority
But I feel DOB regressed a lot last year, was some of it the new offense? OK. Was some of it, the lack of two NFL caliber receivers? Sure. The problem was, he looked like McNabb out ther throwing worm burners and 5yds short. Going into next season, there was going to be a QB competition, plus DOB still has to get his arm healed which would limit reps. I’d rather have CJ going into spring/next season getting all th reps so he might be ble to improve his accuracy. Give CJB a chance, everyone was willing to give DOB another chance last year when he was regressing. CJB just might surprise people.
Is DOB really that good?
Why are we so hell bent on being discouraged on DOB leaving the program? I was never really impressed, to be honest. And for the sake of argument, let’s say he was that good. If the kid doesn’t want to be here, then good riddance. I’d rather have a half talented QB in there who wants to be here, than a more talented QB who’s going half-ass.
Aside from CJB.. I’m not too familiar with the other 2 QB’s on the roster, Joseph or Smith. Is there any chance that Hills or Rowe (or both) could actually see playing time as true freshmen?
Short answer
No. He was the starting QB of a mid-low school in a mid-low conference and performed, for the most part, in a mid-low way. Don’t know what all the hype is about. Do people REALLY think DOB would be the starter at MSU, or Stanford? You’re out of your f’ing mind if you think that.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
seems like this degenerates into 2 camps
1) Those who think Edsall is making a poor decision in impeding DOB
2) Those who ridicule those who believe #1
I'd say 3
1, 2, and 3) Those who think its a reasonable reaction to someone who could’ve possibly been trying to convince DOB to transfer and come to Vanderbilt.
It happens in college football, so I don’t have a problem with the decision to block Vanderbilt.
Besides, Stanford would be a much better option for DOB. PAC12 is a more offensive conference, so DOB could let it fly in a West Coast Offense and not have to worry about the defenses from LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas A&M.
JF has a returning QB from a 6 win bowl eligible team
any insinuations that he improperly did anything with DOB is paranoid…..and lets not forget that DOB is just one of 25 players who made the decision to get away from Edsall…they are leaving in droves and going to a number of different schools……
The chances are much greater that DOB sought out JF than the other way around
Because...
6 win bowl eligible teams are what everybody strives for??? (Insert UMD 2011 season joke here)
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
2 cents
I don’t think losing DOB hurts us that much. He was ACC rookie of the year as a redshirt freshman and I suspect one of the guys we have coming in might be able to do the same as a true freshman.
As far as DOB versus CJ goes, the NFL has had numerous unathletic QBs that were highly successful because they knew where to put the ball – that’s a pro style offense. There have also been numerous very athletic QBs that have failed miserably. It all comes down to fit.
I suspect DOB is doing the right thing for him, and it really won’t hurt us that much, but it certainly doesn’t help from a perception perspective.
Fear the Turgle!
Now can we get back to basketball??????
Fear the Turgle!
but pe is gone.
i think b-ball is as well. i hope im’ wrong but i can’t see us beating uva twice, and beating unc, beating both bc (ok i can see that) and g tech (road game could be close) then also miami at home (who unfortunately is a better basketball team than us. its more depressing than DOB transferring lol.
I hope to hell i’m wrong 100%.
and lets not forget
The biggest reason RE has to deny DOB to Vandy?
RE knows that people are looking at JF as another 1st year coach who actually was successful …so he proves that you dont need massive transfers and horrible WL records as a new coach……to be sure, RE doesnt want anything to happen that could benefit JF even more
by TerpfanMA on Feb 13, 2012 7:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Get off of Franklin's nuts.
He had a decent year, snuck up on some teams. Do you really think the SEC powerhouses will let that happen again? His stock is about to fall faster than Netflix after they tried to change their billing. He was never really impressive while here at UMD. Do you remember the outrage that we let him go after Fridge was fired??? me neither.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hindsight
is 20/20 my friend. RE wins 7 games and JF vs. RE isn’t even a whisper.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
So is Danny still taking classes here?
Did he really graduate in 2 years? Could anybody pull 60 credits a year with the time thye need to dedicate to practice, working out, film study, travel, etc. If he’s finishing up this semester, that will be really awkward for him on campus. Sorry to see him go, but I’m torn about whether he should be able to go to Vandy or not. On one hand, let him go, on the other hand no way. Gotta wonder why you let ACC ROY get away…
He was redshirt freshman
So it’s really 3 years. Depending on how many credits he came in with, yeah it’s entirely possible with summer classes
Good luck Danny, Terp Fans stop bitching?
Good luck to Danny and wherever he lands. Next man up! CJ or whomever! Bitching isn’t going to gain anything. I’ve made my decision years ago as a fan I was “All In”! I don’t agree with some stuff but I will not lose sleep over this. Looking forward to next season.
+1
Well said. I am giving Edsall my full support until the end of next season then I will reevaluate. This football program isnt going to go anywhere no matter who the coach is with fan support.
by kwb20 on Feb 13, 2012 7:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Talking Head(s) - Stop Making Sense
too much sense – stop it or you’ll get the crazies on you
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Edsall needs to give the "Funerals end today" speech.
The transfers are gone, the losses are over with , the disaster of 2011 is over. Its time for 2012.
OT Quick question
Did PSU essentially “steal” that from Marshall?
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
This thread would not have had to go through all this tampering yes/no discussion
If we knew that KP had his #UA connections in contact with Det. Lester Freeman, and they’d been triangulating DOB’s cell down in CP. Gotta be – lmao
Secret Weapon
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
We need a QB thread...
educating us about CJ, the QBs behind him, and the possibility of one of those guys competing with CJ for the job…
I'll give you the readers digest version
it’s CJBrown and a bunch of true freshmen
I like Turtles!
Follow @HarryHareBear
I bet NO-ONE would block Edsall from leaving!
Actually, most people would HELP Edsall leave even to Vandy or any ACC school he wanted to go to! So it goes to show who is thought as having more worth:
DOB >>> Edsall !
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
by Hey Yo! on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you put every other coach in all of football, Peewee to NFL
and I had to pick one out of a hat or keep Edsall, I’m going to the hat 10/10 times.
I like Turtles!
Follow @HarryHareBear
by RedTurtle on Feb 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
sad but true!
really, NO-ONE would or want to block Edsall from leaving here! Actually I wish he would leave for FSU or VT; party at my house!
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
NO!
We have momentum going. If you keep talking like that, I’m going to accuse you of tampering by encouraging a move to leave!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Accuse me of tampering
by the time the NCAA gets around to investigating, Edsall will be coaching Towson Hoops*
*The only place on the planet he might be considered an upgrade.
I like Turtles!
Follow @HarryHareBear
a different view
i think that randy wants no part of old regime. he wants to do things his way with his players.i personally have no problem with that, if successful.i think this is why pickett played as much as he did last year,he was randy’s first recruit.in my opinion,unless brown tears it up next year, you will see one of the freshman starting by week 5 or 6.
my only problem with this is that the fans are going to have to sit through at least three years of bad football, and the fact that he doesn’t seem to care about the kids he inherited.
I actually think
That with a full spring and camp, taking all the snaps, CJB will surprise people
It's a logical move
As many have said it happens throughout collegefootball. Sure there is never going to be evidence that Franklin tampered but it must be assumed I mean wouldn’t you…. We still can’t measure the guy off of 1 year it goes to our culture were we think things can be defined after a few results give him another year and off season and then lets judge everything as a whole. Do I think the RE isn’t right… yes but I need more than a 2-10 season and a couple of questionable decisions regarding staff and transfers
Still don't see the upside to this
No one has answered how banning Danny from going to Vandy helps Maryland? Does it hurt Franklin and Danny? Maybe. Will it stop the negative recruiting that is allegedly going on with Franklin? Hardly, if anything it will get worse.
Someone needs to give Randy a GPS app to help him find the high road…
Exactly
College football is cutthroat, and we can’t let a QB go to our old OF coordinator. It’s just bad for business. It helps us in showing that we are not some bitch ass program that let’s guys go to places that they may have been recruited to while at MD. Does it seem macho… yes but that is the game we play
by alphaterp343 on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Nick Saban or Urban Meyer
It’s in one of their urinals as a spinning target.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Huh...
If I were them I’d keep my Natty’s above the urinals. Just to remind myself what taking the “high road” DOESN’T get you.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Rangooned
RIP Lennie Bias
Turgeon General, Fear the Turgeon, in Turgeon we trust.
Lesean is the "Real Slim Shady"
Getting tired of the soap opera drama. Day after day...week after week....
This past football season has gone on entirely way to long. Even with a very good recruting class coming in, it will probably be mid season until this team starts to “gel together.” Plus the fact that Edsall will probably have to start quite a few freshmen again due to all the transfers and graduation. Personally, the loss of Rowson is the one transfer that hurts. Everytime I saw him on the field he never quit and showed a very promising future.
It seems to me that Maryland Football has made the headlines, mostly in the negative fashion in the past 12 months or so. And, I like Edsall and want nothing more than for him to succeed along with the program. Just don’t think we will even get to 500 this year. Hope i’m wong…. Go Terps!
Funny
Rowson is pretty much the one that you could ‘unattribute’ to Edsall. By all accounts, he was just really homesick. Not much anyone can do about that. We can’t emulate the weather and people of GA up here in PG County. To each his own.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Blocking Vandy
Picture this: your girlfriend tells you she thinks you’re not right for her anymore, that she wants to see other people. If she broke up with you and immediately began dating her ex-boyfriend, wouldn’t you be a little suspicious?
I don’t blame DOB for wanting to leave a team coached by a guy who didn’t recruit him (Edsall). And I don’t blame him for wanting to play for a guy who did (Franklin). Edsall could take the high road and let DOB go play for Vanderbilt, but wouldn’t that just enable any coach to try and poach his former player throughout the season?
At the same time, it’s hard to totally disagree with the ordeal: Locksley has some guys coming from New Mexico.
This thread is ridiculous
It is Edsall haters vs. those who realize he won’t be bought out so they are giving him a chance.
In my opinion, for whatever that is worth, all of you Edsall haters are as close to being a non-fan as there is. You may claim it is your deep love and passion for MD that is making you post the way you do, but you need to look at this from a rationale standpoint. MD Athletics just cut programs, they don’t have the money to buyout his contract AND hire another quality coach to replace him. We are stuck with Edsall for the next 3 years whether you like it or not. Are you going to sit here and bash the man for three years straight? If so, I think many of us are going to have to find new boards, because this is getting absolutely effing ridiculous. You guys are hijacking every single thread where there is even the smallest opportunity to blame Edsall or otherwise compare to him.
I’m not saying the man is a great coach, but we’re stuck with the guy. He just made some quality hires, and we’re landing great recruits who buy in to his system. Any true fan would give the man a chance, no matter what they’re initial feelings were on the hire.
If you can’t get over your bitterness that Fridge was bought out and you didn’t get the coach you wanted, then I don’t know what else to tell you. But I can tell you its getting really F——-g annoying reading almost every thread and seeing you all hijack it for your Edsall bashing purposes. Yes, I’m calling you out TerpfanMA and ador20. Both of you are the absolute worst at doing it.
/endrant
by djcarv2005 on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I just see it
As white noise, you know who has an agenda and ignore whatever they have to say, because it will eventually come back to Edsall bashing. I got my venting out at the end of the season, changes were made, let’s move on.
agreed, same here
The majority of us got it out at the end of the season. I don’t think any of us agree that he is the right man for the job, but as of right now he is the only man to do the job. Changes were made, we can see if that helps the problem. Everyone needs to move on, because there is literally nothing that complaining on this board incessantly in every thread will do about it.
Well said.
Were there times during the season I wanted Edsall gone? Yes. But they were emotional moments. When you step back and look at it, you realize that, like you said, we are stuck with him. The sooner people accept that, the sooner we can start embracing this football program again. At least give Edsall this season to prove himself. We just got some solid recruits, and despite what people like to think this team does have potential. Edsall is our coach, so I’m going to support him. I want to see this team succeed. I’ve got 2 more years at this university, and I still think I can see a winning team as a student again.
Yes, we are stuck with him. I'm not on here as much--but I understand you frustrations. The thing is--
The losing would be much easier to take with Edsall as the HC if he wasn’t such a douche. Agreed?
Losing is never easy to take.
Would anyone be complaining if we went 11-2 last season with Edsall’s same personality?
Nope. But thats a woulda coulda shoulda what if scenario. When it happens I will shut the fuck up and cheer.
The likelihood of an 11-2 season with Edsall as the coach? My guess is it’s not going to happen.
I don't see what weight your guess holds
Considering maybe .01% of the fanbase would’ve thought we would finish 2-10 in the week after the Miami game. I’m not going to guess at how this team could do in a few years until I see A) how this season goes with the new coordinators and B) if we can start regularly locking down some of the top DMV recruits with Locksley in the fold and Diggs on board.
I think more than .01% were calling the win vs Miami a fluke. Just a guess though.
And Locksley has nothing to do with Edsall. I would honestly prefer him as a 3 year interim head coach to Randy.
I'm not talking about whether it was a fluke or who thought that
I’m saying that I don’t hold much water to you saying that Edsall can never get this team to 11-2, when we don’t even know how long Edsall will be here.
Also, Locksley has to do with the PROGRAM, who last time I checked Edsall is the head of. Meaning that Locksley is a key part in this teams’ future success or failure, which is the pressing issue here.
I dont think this team will get to 11-2 with Edsall as the HC based on his first year here.
And what I was trying to say with Locksley is that I would prefer it if Edsall is NOT the head of this program.
Yes, we know you would prefer that.
And you know what? So would I. But my preferences don’t matter, and the fact is that we don’t have the funds to buy out Edsall and hire a better coach with a big price tag. But I can take solace in the fact that this program has made changes that I think are positive (namely the firing and hiring of the new coordinators). We are stuck with Edsall, so the way I see it we should give him his support in 2012.
Also, going back to my earlier point, just as you don’t see us going 11-2 based on Edsall’s first year, no one saw us going 2-10 after Edsall’s first game. Basically, it’s too soon to tell. If programs were sunk after one bad year, the NCAA would be incredibly boring.
Not great either
But I wouldn’t go as far to say that I’d want Locks as a 3 year interim coach
I also
Don’t think RE was/is the right hire, but we are tuck with him, o I’m hoping I get proved wrong
But rooting against RE is rooting against UMD.
B/c he’s the head coach. You don’t have to like him, but you don’t have to hate on him either. If you think he’s a douchebag for blocking Vandy, then I can appreciate your opinion. I don’t agree, but that’s cool. But if you can’t at least give him some credit for the changes made after last year’s failures, then you aren’t being rational.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sure,
I will give him credit for Locksley….great move…but he comes across as a jerk and this move with DOB further solidifies it…people appreciated RF and they appreciated DOB and Edsall is trashing both for no good reason other than his own image…..
Say what you will about tampering but I believe this has more to do with comparisons drawn between 2 first year coaches, one of whom was very successful and one who wasnt and this is about ensuring that the successful coach doesnt get another leg up on Edsall
I didn't want RF fired, preferred to have him finish out contract.
But that’s water under the bridge now, RE played no role in Ralph’s situation.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
You know...
Gary was kind of a dick too, right?
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Glichrist was not the only player...
that wanted out of Gary’s house.
Besides, Gary at least had the opportunity to start from scratch in terms of building a roster with players that would thrive with his personality. Edsall is clearing out the folks that won’t put up with his demands, so we’ll have to see how it works out.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he wasn't a douche
As Ben stated above, he is a self-righteous ass. Does he need a PR assistant? Absolutely.
But you guys need to get over it, the man isn’t leaving no matter how much he is complained about on here. It currently costs $8 million dollars to buy him out, it drops $2 million each year. We also have to pay him for any bonus’s that he had a fair shot at receiving (if academics were in good order, he had a realistic shot at receiving that bonus).
We’re all pissed that the football team went 2-10, but a dramatic fall-off is expected when such a radical coaching change happens. We went from Ralph, who was very lax with the rules (see academic probations and practice time lost) to Edsall, who is a very strict rules guy. Players are going to leave just because of that. More players are going to leave because they don’t like the new system being installed. Such is the life of being a college football fan during a coaching change.
But any fan will get behind there coach and football team because they want them to win. You can inwardly hate the guy and hope he gets fired the moment the school has the money, but be prepared for the same type of change all over again.
Edsall has two recruiting classes worth of his players, give him this year and next and then we can be the judge of whether he is successful or not. Given his recent recruiting success in hte state, I’m not ready to give up on him, because with that talent almost anyone can win.
Oh, and for the record tw10
I didn’t put your name in because your a one time offender, ha. The other aformentioned names do it consistently in every thread
oh get over yourself
Your post is such nonsense I am not even going to read it….I just saw my screen name in it and knew it was garbage…go drink some koolaid
by TerpfanMA on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I find it ironic
That the guy who keeps acting like anyone who disagrees with him is automatically wrong is telling someone else to “get over themselves.”
you find it ironic?
Well, let me clue you in…..there is no right or wrong here…it is just peoples opinions…
some see 2-10 and see an arrogant coach who the players dislike and leave the program in droves and say he is a bad leader and should be replaced….
Others see it as we need to give him time to do it his way……
Whatever happens happens…it is just opinions on the best way to go…..I think at the end of the day, we all want a football program that we can be proud of and is competitive in the conference
by TerpfanMA on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well now you're singing a very different tune..
If you scroll a bit up, you said that the only people in this thread are “Those who think Edsall is making a poor decision in impeding DOB” and “Those who ridicule those who believe #1.” Are those in the suggested “ridicule” camp supposed to take kindly to that?
Im joking, chill out. You seem pretty upset by this thread.
I read some of your posts above and I agree with some of it. When it comes down to it all of us here want us to see this team win games.
No offense,
But if you read your earlier profanity-laced comments you seem pretty darn upset. You come off like you have a personal agenda against Edsall and you insult the guy as such. I’m just trying to debate here. I’m not “upset” by this thread. I want to see this team win games too – I’ve got 2 more football seasons as a student so obviously I’d love if they weren’t spent going a combined 4-20. But Edsall is not going anywhere right now, so I don’t see the point in constantly hating on him as some on here like to do. If we go 2-10 next year, you can bet I’ll be on the fire-Edsall bandwagon. But do I want this team to struggle, just to see him fired (like you said above)? No way. I want to see what happens this season. Every recruit this year came knowing that Edsall is the head coach. Here’s his chance.
True, It's because I feel like the guy has a personal agenda of his own.
Does that make sense? As a head coach of a major program you should make an effort not to come off as a complete douchebag—especially coming off a 2-10 season. A quick look at the transfer count shows that the player support isn’t great either.
I see things from your point of view, and part of it is that there are a lot of other people here who do nothing but bash edsall…I haven’t been on lately so I haven’t been following football lately. I didn’t know DOB was thinking of transferring—-so yeah, I was a little upset when I heard he did, and when by stopping him from going to Vanderbilt I see that as a personal, unnecessary jab at Danny.
You are more level-headed than most of the people arguing either way.
I thought a lot of the comments by Custos were ignorant, so a lot of my comments do seem angry.
I think Edsall needs someone to handle PR for him
I’d like to see us get through next season without anymore “minimizing expectations” remarks. As for transfers, Edsall definitely brings a style different than a lot of coaches, with his discipline and whatnot. With the way players had much more freedom under Fridge, you knew there would be people who would transfer because they didn’t like Edsall’s way. Does that make Edsall right? Of course not. But that’s why I think it’s important that we see what Edsall can do with his recruits. Everyone coming next year did so knowing that Randy, not Ralph, is the HC here. I believe Edsall should get a chance to coach his guys (it’s also assumed that at this point, anyone who wanted out is out), and if he is still sub-standard, then we’re going to have to take a long look at this program and if an Edsall buy-out is the best option despite the cost.
As a NY Giants fan, I can somewhat relate this to Tom Couglin, who also is big on discipline and rubbed players (and fans) the wrong way at first. But now look at them, winners of 2 of the last 5 Super Bowls. (note: not saying Randy’s going to lead us to greatness) Sometimes it also takes players a little bit to adjust to a new tougher regime – some of the Giants players initially didn’t buy in, but did later. Edsall needs players who are going to buy in. It’s assumed that all the recruits do, and that anyone who had serious issues with him is gone. So let’s see what happens now. I’m hoping for the best!
I'd write a longer reply but I need to do this paper :P
And no i dont write like this for school…
But Tom Coughlin is a good comparison, although I think he has some leeway because he is a senile old man. Can’t argue with the results. Wish my Skins could make the playoffs.
It was fun though Mr.Terpsfan sometimes it’s hard to believe we are both rooting for the same team, huh?
It's Ms. Terpsfan haha
But yes. We can agree to disagree on certain points, though I think we’ve reached a mutual understanding and are on the same side of some aspects. It’s hard being a Terps fan sometimes, that’s for sure, but hopefully we’ll have a lot more to cheer about in both football and basketball next season.
Coughlina
Also knows how to step in shit and come up smelling like roses, everytime he is on the hot seat a his job is on the line if he doesn’t make the playoffs, he wins a fucking super bowl. If I’m the owner, I have him in my office after the parade telling him his job ison thelline and last season was unacceptable. Sorry I’m a sour Philly fan.
by PhillyTerp on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I’m the owner, I have him in my office after the parade telling him his job ison thelline and last season was unacceptable.
There is iced tea all over the keyboard and my desk. Thanks.
So I guess by my reasoning
Edsall will win a NC next year……
If I wanted info on a new company
I wouldn’t talk to an disgruntled ex-employee
Most disgruntled ex-employee's are disgruntled because they were fired.
I partially agree with you Philly…their opinions are gonna be a little geared against the university right now, but its for a good reason.
What's the reason?
None of them have (or will) ever come out publicly with specific complaints. Garcia was the dummy that took to Twitter with a passive-aggressive comment that reflects more on him than anyone else.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Others including fans do not trust randy edsal
by silverhammer on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed!
I was hoping against all odds that Danny would be a Terp for life! Needless to sat, like most fans, I too am disappointed. It’s time to cut the chord, and move forward. Best wishes Danny! Hope you find a program where you can shine and rediscover your touch.
Next year, we have a challenge at QB. CJ is a poor passer. Hope he spends the offseason bulking up and improving his passing game — especially, his intermediate and deep ball accuracy.
I am also hoping that the Freshmen QBs really challenge CJ for the starting job. Who knows, we jjust might get lucky and find a Danny clone. Wishful thinking I know … but, hey!
On a side note, what’s the actual total of transers? Something along the lines of 26 or so?! And, that just isn’t acceptable. It reflects poorly on the coach, and certain puts us in a pickle – can someone say “rebuilding?” Yup! Randy, you got your wish. The program has taken a significant step backwards on your watch. Let’s hope you can turn things around. If not, I hope you have the integrity to resign!
Terp nation deserves better … there I said it!
Well technically
When he graduates, he’ll be a Terp for life. By all accounts, he LOVES the school. Enough so to finish his undergrad regardless of football status. Until he “burns his diploma”, DOB is a Terp to me.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Hell
Mayne DOB told RE that he wouldn’t transfer if he knew he was going to be the starter, and RE told him it would be an open competition. Thing is we don’t know, but I do know the growing feeling within the program was it would be the CJB show next season.
Am I missing something?
If DOB is graduating and will be a grad student with eligibility next year, why does he need permission from Edsall to transfer in the first place?
Same situation as RJ Dill...
NCAA rules, man.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Forget about tampering....
Edsall had to establish the precedence that players transferring arent going to be able to follow an assistant. IF Locksley leaves in 2 yrs to go to East BF St, anybody want Diggs, Brown and Reid thinking they’ll just follow him?
Doesn't matter
If the kids came to Maryland with the promise that they would play for Locksley, they should be allowed to leave if he left. That would be like a kid going to Maryland to major in marketing, and then Maryland eliminated the marketing major a year after they got there. Let the kids go whereever they want to go. No point in holding people hostage. It doesn’t look good to future recruits too
18 y/o’s aren’t allowed to do a lot of the bullshit ‘adults’ do. But thems the breaks, right? Your example would only be accurate if the kid was getting a full ride for marketing? And as for future recruits, none of the top-tier kids we all covet are going to be remotely fazed by this. It’s the exact same thing Urban, or Nick, or Les would do if one of their assistants/ex-coaches left.
"It’s hard to be good. It’s easy to not be good." -Coach Turgeon
Locksley 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Terps, except through me."
Well no
I’ll put it this way. If you go to McDonald’s bc you love their fries, wouldn’t you want to leave if they were out of fries? That’s the reason you went there in the first place. Yeah coaches do it, but it doesn’t make any sense. Kids need to start having these things written in their scholarship papers or have other contracts with the universities. It’s not fair to kids. A coach can leave at any time, but kids have to sit out, and may not get to go where they really want to go. It’s bs
DOB will NOT be an NFL QB
Let’s just get that out there. His development stopped and his upside is limited.
Yeah...
all this talk about Danny and the NFL was just Maryland fans overvaluing their own talent. Danny’s a small kid and lacks the mobility he’d need to keep himself out of a wheelchair in the league.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well . . .
You’d have to think RE won’t release DOB to Vandy because he’s worried that a DOB success story would be a PR nightmare.
It’s pretty classless for UMD to complain about tampering – either you turn Vandy in (‘cause you have, you know, evidence) or you stuff it and go win with what you have. This is just RE, once again, whining "it’s not my fault." So you can believe whatever you want, I think the guy has a track record that makes it pretty easy to parse his statements.
Why bother bashing anyone? Guys transferred, whether you think RE was a great hire, he’s the coach, get his guys in here and we’ll see how they do. THEN we can fire him or maybe the team will get better – I hope for #2, expect #1. Want to question whether I’m a UMD fan? Wipe Locks’ jizz off your face, realize that his recruiting has lead to exactly 1 season with more than 8 wins (which IS the measuring stick) and go watch the Terps. I don’t have to be irrational to support the Terps, I can root for them all the time and hope they make good moves that lead to more success (which leads to calling them out when they f up, sorry dj).
Good luck to DOB and go Terps. Hope CJ to Diggs is the key to the ACC!!
This reasoning is completely rationale
and I have nothing wrong with it. When you go into other threads and hijack them criticizing Edsall for the smallest things is what pisses me, and frankly just about everyone else on this board, off.
You just stated a complete 180 of your normal stance of fire Edsall. You just stated that you are fine with getting his guys in and lets see how they do. You expect him to get fired, although you’d hope for the opposite. Welcome to the rationale world of our thinking. Glad you finally came around.
Really?
You should try reading my posts first. I’ve criticized Edsall (and you by extension?) for being an idiot and doing/saying idiot things. I think (with a LOT of evidence) that UMD’s OC/DC are WAY overpaid.
And I’ve criticized Kevin the genius for not being willing to spend $25 or so to keep a top women’s soccer coach right after blowing over $1million on new football assistants (in an “austerity” environment).
If any of this pisses you off, good for me, I guess. But where’s the “180” here?
Knew you couldn't stand me agreeing with you for once
There is the dmor20 that we all know to ignore.
and I'm glad it's up to you
to decide which post/posters have “nothing wrong” with them. You da man, I guess.
Hey...
Didn’t JF leave this program? If he wasn’t fired, then whats the big deal about being upset regarding poaching. People say he recruited DOB and they have a connection – well, where was this undying connection when he LEFT! Edsell didn’t fire the guy, and Edsell started DOB and went from there. If you don’t make the plays, you give someone else a shot. I DOB was 6-0 and benched, then lets talk! I knew the minute his butt hit the pine there would be a problem. Does my ‘knowing there would be a problem’ mean I think RE did something wrong – no, it had more to do with me thinking todays players think something is owed to them beyond their scholly. Okay – problem solved. Goodbye and good luck!
Problem is
If they were in contact, JF might have had an influence on the commitment DOB had to the UMD program. It sets a bad precedent if you let other coaches influence the commitment your players have to the program. I haven’t agreed with a lot of what RE has done, but I agree with him here.
This thread is kind of silly
But it was a great way to spend the first couple of hours at work this morning.
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