BC ... thoughts on the future
First off, pack the house this Thursday for BC. The team needs the crowd to pick them up and help bring them back together. BC is no push over, they beat FSU and barely lost to VT after leading the whole game. We should win, but it will be a fight. I'd like to see Stoglin flip the script on the Duke aftermath, play the perfect Turgeon-style game and finish with 22 and 8 and only 2 turnovers on over 50% shooting. Turgeon and Stogling have a big man-hug at the end and Turgeon lavishes praise on Stoglin in the post-game ........
That'd be nice for the short-term.
I had another thought today, though, for the long-term. I came of age when Gary went to hist first Sweet Sixteen in '94. Going to the tournament 11 straight years, with 7 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Final Fours, and a National Championship, you come to think that it is our birth-right for Maryland to have a premier hoops program. Even when we have struggled in recent years, we have had enough success (04 ACC tourney, big wins during streak in 07, the whole 2010 season with Vasquez) that I always just assumed Maryland would be back on top soon enough. A second National Champion was a matter of when not if.
But ..... I know we have a few good recruits coming in next year, but is next year's team really going to be THAT much better? Cuse and Pitt are joining the ACC .... There are plenty of examples of programs that were won it all once and just never made it back to the top and went through long droughts. NC State, Louisville, Georgetown, Arkansas, Indiana ..... depends on how exactly you define success, but a return to glory is not guarenteed.
Depressing thought. What if we were a middle of the road ACC program for the next 10 years? It would have sucked to have been a Clemson or UVA or NC State fan the last 10 years.
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Clemson, who has been in the ACC since its inception, has never won the ACC tournament and has one the regular season ONCE!!! FSU, which has been in since the early 90’s, has never won EITHER! It would suck to be just another ACC team. We need to return to being the unquestioned third best program in the ACC and going toe-to-toe with Duke and UNC year-in and year-out for the sake of my sanity.
I feel you about the recruits.
The expectations for Shaq and to a lesser degree Layman are through the roof. People are expecting Shaq to be that missing piece of the puzzle that creates a Sweet Sixteen team. I’m sorry but he’s not. He’s a (very) big man who has only been playing organized basketball for a few years. He’s going to be raw and he’s going to struggle like Nick Faust has. Plus being a big man isn’t the easiest position to play as a freshman (look at Len). Next year we also won’t have a leader. Mosley will be gone. Who is going to take over? Padgett? Stogs? Are those the guys you want to be leading a young team?
I think this team will be a bubble team a best next year unless Turgeon can pull some amazing hidden recruit out of his ass. If we get the Harrisons or Rysheed and Stan in 2013, then I think our team will be a shoe-in for a tournament spot
by terpfan812 on Feb 13, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree with most of this (recruits)
We have some great recruits coming in next year who will give us some depth at positions where we need it.
Shaq – Shaq gives us the true center we have been missing. He is a HUGE interior presense who, when combined with Len at the 4, will clog up the entire interior for the opposing team. This is the drawback, which many seem to overlook when they think of Shaq because everyone looks at his size and salivates. As terpfan pointed out, he has only been playing organized basketball for a few years after coming to the US from the Bahamas. I’m not knocking his game at all, but he will probably need his entire freshman year to learn the system and what his role is in it. Dude is also massive, he’ll probably get 20 or so minutes a game, a la Jordan Williams freshman year, and need the off-season between his freshman and sophomore years to lose some weight.
Layman – Layman is a huge wing player, who has reportedly grown to 6’9". But make no mistake, he is more of a 2 than a 4, he is a true wing player who has no business on the inside trying to be a 4. Laymans recruiting reports show that he has a “feathery” touch from the 3, which this team desperately needs. If all that Layman does next year is play as a situational player who comes in to drain some shots from the outside while he acclamtes to College ball, we should all be happy. He is putting up huge numbers, both points and rebounding, in his high school league, but he is most definitely playing against inferior talent when doing it. As with Nick Faust, we need to temper our expectations a bit and let him translate his game to this level.
Seth Allen – Seth at this point is a bit of a mystery. Turge recruited him as a PG, I believe with the expectation that he was going to be playing the 1 throughout the summer AAU circuit and his senior year of high school to develop his skills more. Injuries happen, but it has limited his development there, so your guess is as good as ours if Seth is going to still play the Point. In high school and AAU, he was a 2 guard who had a nice 3 point range (you can youtube the videos), so that is something we need as well. The reports from the John Wall Breakout Camp was that he could score at will, so that is always nice to see. I’m thinking he will be more of a backup 2 guard more than running the point, but that all depends on if Turge finds a PG late in the 2012 class from the JUCO ranks. I think at this point it is safe to say we’ll be waiting for 2013 for that true PG we desperately need.
So….we’re a young team. People can have lofty expectations, we’re all guilty of it, but there is a point when we need to look at the reality of it. We’re giving 3 freshman major minutes this year, and I’m going to go ahead and count Parker as a freshman and say he is getting some bigger minutes too. You can’t hardly say he got any experience as a freshman with Gary, and probably should of been redshirted.
It’ll be the same next year, with Cleare, Layman, Allen and (insert random guards name we’ll recruit here). They’ll need to mature, but 2013 is the year we’ll really breakout. We’ll have the experience then, and we’ll (hopefully) have the true PG we actually need.
That is my Monday morning write up…and not even sure how I got the energy for that.
I don't disagree with you assessment on the individual level...
…but basketball is a team sport, and the dynamics of the TEAM will change based on the other players on the floor. How will having a huge presence in the paint (Shaq) impact opposing defenses. How will have alternative scorers affect the quality of Pe’Shon’s play. Will defenses be able to focus as much attention on Stogs when there are other scorers on the team? With additional bulk, confidence and experience, how will Len change opposing defenses? Will having additional scoring options have a positive impact on Stogs’ game and attitude?
There are TONS of additional dynamics that could take place the make next year’s team MUCH better than this year’s team, and you can’t discount the importance of those team dynamics.
Oh, I didn't mean it to appear that way
I think I even said that having Shaq and Len in the game would greatly alter how they think about driving to the basket.
There are a lot of considerations, and a lot of ifs to take into account for next year and how the team does. If Layman or Allen can come in and there scoring ability translates immediately then obviously that changes things. If Faust can figure out his shot, or Parker continues to develop, obviously it changes the dynamics of it. I’m just taking the route of tempered expectations since a lot of those ifs rely on the freshman performing well, and after this years over expectations of Faust I think it is the right route to take.
I’d love, love to be wrong on it though. I’d love if Faust figured out how to shoot more affectively, or even if he became smarter with his game and figured out that he can take just about anyone to the basket. I want the team to succeed, I just think that there is a much, much better probability of that in 2013 with next years freshman having a year of experience than there is in 2012 with three freshman coming in, 2 of which are expected to garner a lot of playing time.
I'm all about tempered expectations.
All of us on this board talk about the individual capabilities of the 3 players coming in next year, and I think Faust has taught us all a lesson about overblown expectations. My only point is that team dynamics are more important than individual capabilities, and we never really know how those dynamics will play out.
IMO, the 2002 Natty team proved that point…idividually, there were no GREAT players individually, but they played exceptionally well as a team.
+1;
That team had time to grow together & develop Chemistry; LB had hands of sone 1st 2 years, Juan was limited, Wilcox got 6-7 minutes as a freshman because he had to learn to play within some degree of structure. Thank about that level of talent sitting on the bench … Gary must have been chomping …; And the final ingredient was Byron Mouton; he brought maturity, a quiet confidence, and the ultimate “team first” that Danny Miller lacked. Add Taj, Drew, Ryan as very capable role players who all were game heros at some point over that 2 year run, and there you have it.
Patience for Terp b-ball is always going to be hard give our taste of success and the seemingly never ending run UNC and Duke have going, but our day is coming. Enjoy the progress of this team/era like we did with the past core players and we’ll all look back and enjoy the future success even more.
Sort of like??????
Tim Duncan, maybe? same resume, same neighborhood, you just never know.
The other thing about BC
As talent depleted as they are this year, they actually have some decent freshmen pieces to build around going forward. I think they have 4 freshmen averaging 8-12 ppg a piece. It was actually a little sobering— as much as we talk about our young pieces, a team like BC might have just as much in place for upcoming seasons.
We need a packed house Thurs to get this team fired up for this game. Last thing we need right now is to drop one of the few gimme games left on our schedule.
Parker
Anyone else think that Parker should be starting? I personally like Stoglin, Faust, Parker, Mosley, and Len…. gimmie a 4 guard offense with Len as the anchor. Also, I have Mosley bring up the ball….. reason being that either the opposing teams PF will be guarding him or they will swith the PF onto Parker. Either way we move their PF off the block.
You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it
by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions
the 4 guard line up
only really works if they can hit threes and we only got one guy who consistently can hit threes.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly Murland
Can’t go that small if they have no reason to respect your outside shooters.
Need to go to a 4 guard lineup to help stoglin
If we go small Mosley and Stoglin can hit the outside shoot. Move Mosley away from the basket and replace him with Parker who is better at cleaning up around the rim. Parker had a great game against Duke. This also helps with spacing inside with Len.
We need to have someone not name Stoglin bring up the ball so he can come off screens and be the scorer we need him to be.
You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it
by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
We don't have the overall depth to do a 4-guard lineup.
At least not for a full game, it could be used in short instances, but you need a lot more quality guards then what we have now to do it over the course of a game, otherwise you’d were everyone out.
However, next year could be interesting, with four of Stoglin, Howard, Faust, Parker, Allen, Layman, Cassell (assuming we get him) on the floor at all times, complimented by one big man (Len, Cleare, Padgett), I could see that working.
by FearTheTurtle on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I like the athleticism out of that lineup
I particularly like when Faust and Parker were on the floor at the same time, they seemed to be on the same page with each other. They fueled the attempted comeback before Duke put them away for good.
In case people were worried about losing height by putting Parker in the lineup, he is as tall as Padgett. If you don’t think so, you should of looked closer during the Duke game when they had a closeup of the both of them standing next to each other. Parker can jump out of the gym, so it isn’t too much of a loss. Padgett is good for cleanup on the offensive boards but he is not a player who wants the ball to try to score, he just travels.
Glad you agree
MD looked best when Faust, Mosley, and Parker were on the floor at the same time. Parker has been coming on strong lately. He attacks the rim, is shooting great from the FT line, and hustles. BC is a young team. I come out with a 4 guard lineup and press right from the beginning. They will be in a hostle environment. Get them out of their comfort zone early. With 4 freshman playing significant minutes…. I HIGHLY DOUBT they have ever played in such a hostle place as MD, assuming we pack the place.
You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it
by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Starting with it is OK
In fact, I like it, but you cannot run that lineup too often. Our bench would be Pankey, Padgett, Weijs and then walk-ons ….. why didn’t why did Richmond get in instead of Jonathan Thomas against Duke, btw?
Sam Cassell Jr quote
“It’s great to get the looks that I’m getting, but I’m just going out and playing,” Cassell said. “We don’t care who gets the spotlight. We’re playing hard and getting wins. It feels good to be winning.”
I’ve changed my mind, I like him more now. “We don’t care who gets the spotlight.” Ultimate team player.
Must be true
Just because he said it right?
@nkeninitz
well his numbers reflect what he is saying so ill give him the credit
You just got Locksley'd.... get use to it
by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
It was more of a general point I was making, but Cassell did have a reputation of a high volume shooter for a while. I haven’t followed each game of his terribly closely, but I do understand that he’s had a great season. Still not sure I want him, but I understand the viewpoints of people that do.
@nkeninitz
You can be a high volume scorer with that attitude
There is a difference between high volume scorer and not caring who gets the spotlight. He could be a high volume scorer because that is who he is, but if he doesn’t care if he gets 2 or 40 points as long as they’re winning then I like that attitude.
BC is gonna come down to
Whether we can close out on Jackson, Humphrey, and Daniels shooting the 3. They’re all good shooters but they all have different skill sets for their 3-pt shots. Daniels has the best range, Lonnie is the most accurate, and Humphrey can create his own shot 1-on-1 similar to the way that Stogs does. In fact he’s similar to Stogs in the way they go about their 3s, except for the fact that he’s 4 inches taller and doesn’t have the rest of Stogs’ game.
Len and Dennis Clifford are pretty much the same player, but Len is an inch taller and his skill set is a bit more developed, which should be good for us as long as he stays out of foul trouble. I’ve never seen a 7-footer get his shot blocked as much as Clifford does either, so I think we’re pretty solid in the post, it’s just gonna be a question of whether we can stop the 3s.
I’ve been to almost every BC home game this year, and they’ve gone from absolutely awful to pretty decent at just the right time. I kind of upset that we have to play them now instead of a month ago. We should still be favored but its not the gimme game that everyone thinks it’s gonna be.
stupidity is contagious
I read with amusement last year as fan after fan wrote that Whittington would be of no help to this team. Results are in as he plays major minutes on a Top 10 team at Georgetown, you were all wrong. Sam Cassell Jr. is a powerful 6-4 point guard with a game identical to his father’s. If he comes here he will be the best point that we have regardless of Howard’s condition. I am amazed by the comments (I heard,I read etc.), how about I saw…go to a damn game or shut the hell up.
we dont live near his school
If you’ve been to a game, why don’t you offer up some insight instead of blasting off on people. The only thing we can speculate on his scouting reports, highlight videos and stats. He appears to be a scoring PG at best (best being a PG), so prove us wrong. If you’ve been to the games, tell us how he has played. From all the reports from recruiting analysts, who attend games, he is a 2 guard. Tell us what you saw that was different so we have something else to compare to.
stats are less than impressive
http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND
i feel like alot of players are capable of that

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