Issues at the Point, now and future.
by power296 on Feb 12, 2012 3:04 PM EST
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PrintFirst post on here, so the format and whatnot wont look good but be nice I'll figure it out. I was just having some serious concerns about the point guard position. We expect that with next years strong recruiting class, lack of loss, and maturity of current underclassmen this team will be a strong contender in the ACC for at least the next few seasons.
I myself agree but am skeptical about our point guard woes and leadership.
I'll start with the point guard problems. Our only true point this season is MVP' Howard and we all know he is out for the year with a torn ACL. That is an injury that costs him valuable experience and may not even let him be back full strength by the start of next season due to the timing of the injury. EVEN if he comes back from day 1, 100 percent healthy, he is our ONLY point on the roster.
We currently have 9 guards.
4 are walk ons.
P' is hurt and our only 'true' point.
Parker is perhaps the most out of control ball handler on the face of the planet (good game vs duke though, but not a point G)
Losing sugar sean this season.
That gives us Stoglin, Faust, and the incoming Seth Allen next season so far. All three of them are suited to play shooting guard, not the point.
This seriously troubles me that all we have to count on for consistant play is a guy that just tore his acl, I dont really feel comfortable with stogs or faust at point, Id rather have them elsewhere and I certainly dont love the idea of a freshman leading this team and having growing pains as a starter instead of easing him into a winning team.
What do you guys think? Peshon isnt a guy that plays 40 minutes a game especially coming off that injury? Who steps in?
SECOND issue, leadership and Turge controlling the team amidst turmoil.
If you havent had time to check out terpskin's post: http://www.testudotimes.com/2012/2/12/2793157/thoughts-on-stoglin-turge-dynamic
Check it out.
In addition to the tweets he posted that stoglin said I found this one:
@AndricBooker I'm kalm, I'm just frustrated brodii, my own teamates was like t ask him wht up.
and a few others that are borderline disrespectful (not written by him, but retweeted, like this
: @tstoglin12 Go ham, you have #TerpsNation behind you. You don't bench your best player unless you want to lose.
Retweeted by Terrell Stoglin
I may be blowing that out of proportion but I found it troubling, discuss your thoughts
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This is a big problem
The worst part of it is: Peshon growing into his potential and figuring how to be a real ACC PG was our only hope next year for the position. Now he wont be able to play and improve at all between now and next yr. So essentially we have him coming back next yr at the talent level he was at this year or possibly lower after a long break. This is not good, I’m worried about him as the starter just as much as who is behind him. We also desperately need an consistent outside shooter besides Stoglin next year and I dont see anyone to fill that role. These seem like 2 HUGE holes going into next year that should temper everyones expectations that this team will be markedly improved next season.
about the additional outside shooter..
I agree. part of stogs growing up is knowing he has another shooter to rely on so he knows he doesnt have to heave up junk to keep us in the game. Allen is supposed to have a decent shot, but so was faust and while his shots are questionable, I see improvement. But hes stil sub 20% from deep. We need help
outside shooter
Aren’t both Layman and Allen supposed to be pretty good 3pt shooters?
by Memphis Raines on Feb 12, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
#1 Point Guard
I’m more worried about Pe, our #1 PG then I am anything else. We can find someone to play point while Pe is on the bench. It will most likely be Seth Allen, or someone else not on the roster yet. But Pe needs to get better. He needs to play better then he played this year. I think we are going to have the roster next year to win some games. Stogs is much better off the ball. I think Faust and Parker are both going to grow into some really solid players next year. Len hopefully will be better. We need that distributor that can run plays and find the open guy. Pe struggled really bad this year. I think he was horrible most games, I wasn’t as easy on him as many on here have been. We need to worry about him, not the guy coming off the bench to play 10 minutes.
by Brendan Plutschak on Feb 12, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions
Well Pe
who already wasnt blowing by people, will be even more slowed by the acl. I understand people love peshon here, but he really isnt that good right now. As much as I dont like to say it, it is true. I just think he is a poor levance fields from pitt a couple of years ago. Dont get me wrong, our season was just killed without him but he is really a back up pg. And Stogs gets killfor over dribbling (which he does). but peshon over dribble s a lot as well. But we will never get to know how he was going get to next year and good he will be his senior year.
agreed with both above...
thats why our situation is more dire…the guy we are relying on to come back from an acl hasnt been that good to begin with. Anybody know whats left for PG’s in ’12 or if we even want to eat a scholorship on whatevers left?
You're spot on about Howard being a back-up PG - after all,
he wasn’t the prime recruit from his class at Oak Hill.
What about Cassell?
He seems to be tearing it up lately and getting serious high major looks. He could come here and get decent minutes right away if he moves to point (if he can play pg)
by mariolucasforthree on Feb 12, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions
Not a traditional PG
He could potentially get minutes I suppose depending on how Turgeon views him versus Allen and Parker. He seems to have a solid shot and ability to score, but by no means is he the pure PG that is going to come solve the problem.
@nkeninitz
He is a 2 guard
he may be recruited as a combo, but he’s blowing people up with scoring, not assists.
Don't underestimate the effect
having Shaq and a smarter Alex Len down low will have on on Pe’s play. Pe played better last year because he had a threat in the paint in JWIll, and Stoglin on the perimeter. We have slashers in Faust (and his jump shot could improve during the off-season) and Parker. And we have options on the outside with Seth and Layman. It’s a matter of getting them accustomed to playing together. Pe’s pre-season ijury kept that cohesion from taking place when it should – during the pre-season and early “cupcake” games.
Hopefully Len will bulk up a little by next year, and he should be better adjusted to the college/American game by then. Hopefully Padgett and Pankey will be able to contribute more with another year under their belt. There’s only so much a PG can do when he only has one scoring threat on the team. And hopefully Pe’ will be healthy enough in the pre-season to get accustomed to his teammates’ style of play and capabilities.
IMO, point guard will be our biggest question mark next season, but our level of success hinges on how quickly Pe’Shon recovers from his injury. I think Seth will be fine in the back-up role.
Time...
it’s just going to take time. This team has lots of needs. Some of those needs were addressed with the recruiting class of 2012. Some of those needs will be met by the recruiting class of 2013. Rome wasn’t built in a day. And the Maryland Terps won’t be re-built in a year.
Just hang in there. Help is on the way. It’s just going to take some time.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Feb 12, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions
not gonna be good
if we have to depend on Seth being a good PG next year
i don’t think he’s Trey Burke 2.0
by bloodwatermission on Feb 12, 2012 7:47 PM EST reply actions
No way that Pe' is ready on day 1
His injury will take a year for recovery…at least. There is no way he is ready.
At this point, we need a good juco PG.
Not correct
You obviously know nothing about injuries and rehab. The rehab time for an ACL is 6 months. Especially for a premier athlete with access to daily rehab care. P’shon will be cleared for full activitity by mid-August. That does not minimize the fact that he won’t have played for 6 months, and he will have to trust his repaired knee, but he will be back at full speed by midnight madness. That also does not change the fact that he is not a high quality point guard. However, having good post options will help any point play better. Right now, opposing teams are playing our guards tight because they have no fear of our post players. That will change with Shaq and an improved Len, as well as a 6-8 Layman cruising the permiter.
I trust in Turge
He knows more than anyone else that in order for him to take the next step with this team, he needs at least 2 quality PG’s on the team next year.
I think he will find one before next season begins, either a Juco or a final recruit before next summer.
What if MVP cannot play again? Turge will find a solution, but not this season.
As much as we all love Stoglin...what is making this process a bit uneasy or impatient is we just have real holes to fill here...
We are all used to being a top 2-3 in the ACC team and now to be faced with both backcourt and frontcourt (yes we can use one more true thickbodied post besides Shaq) questions it’s hard to be patient.
The Bigs..It seems plausable that if we can't get Mitchell for 2012 that the combo of Len, Padge, Pankey, and Shaq will suffice for 2012 and than absolutely we'll need a big in 2013
Next season’s point guard situation will probably be a split between Peshon and Seth Allen which based on Peshon’s injury and Seth’s youth and newness to ACC level competition in all honsesty next season may look alot like this season. You hope for the best but you gotta be realistic! Hopefully we land some significant help in 2013 for our backcourt. So I’m thinking next season will likely be a replay of this season with some definite more upside with the additions we got coming in…maybe Seth will surprise and be more but if he and Peshon both have injury problems we definitely need one more option.
Not to mention Pe'shon Howard....
isn’t that good of a point guard to begin with….just saying.
deciding not to get branch makes things feel pretty tough right now...
not sure where they’re going to go after this injury. my brother had 2 acl surgeries. (basketball related) during what was the prime of his career. it takes more than 6 months, make no mistake. there’s a lot of unofficial recovery time to get back to where you were. some players are never the same again and in other cases they come back and are dunking on people more than before like my brother. depends on the body type. … but it took him a full two years to get back to basketball madness. Pe doesn’t have that time.
seth will be on the roster in ‘12. and unless we get branch (haha) or a late signing, then you have to look at seth allen as a potential starter along with faust, stoglin or the short guy (no offense short guy). i think seth is capable, but him being injured a bit also concerns me. seth is a good size and length. wouldn’t mind seeing stoglin at point if he truly could change his game to pass-pass and then go vasquez in the second half. he could easily drop 18 on an unprepared 2nd half defense if he ever approached it that way.
this injury may force Pe to permanent backup status for the rest of his career. this is sad because Pe is a lot better than he’s been given credit. he’s forced to fix a flawed team. and they definitely do not need another guy chucking it up from the perimeter. he probably averages about 4 never-happened-assists per game because guys aren’t handling passes. that in turn leads to making the even riskier/flasher pass to get something done. because of the offensive droughts, he’s forced to force things (at least from a young point guards perspective). we’ll see who gets signed. this definitely hurts things as you have to change his status to permanent backup.
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