Miami Tops Maryland in Double-Overtime Barnburner, 90-86
by Ben Broman on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 PM EST
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PrintWith Miami missing star big man Kenny Kadji due to an unexpected head injury, Maryland went into the BankUnited Center with a great chance to grab a crucial road victory - their first of the season, and their first ever at Miami. Instead, we saw one of the strangest, most exciting games in recent memory, featuring four technical fouls, a Mark Turgeon ejection, a 23-7 second half run from Maryland, 33 points from Terrell Stoglin, a missed offensive goaltend, a 35-foot three-pointer (not from Stoglin), and two overtimes.
The end result? Sadly, a continuation of the Curse of Coral Gables: Miami nipped the Terrapins, 90-86, in a two-OT barnstormer.
Normally I write the recap here, but, uh, well, just forget the first half ever happened. It was sloppy and boring and painful. Maryland entered the half trailing by 11, that's all you need to know.
Anyway, they cut the lead to five within minutes, and though they were unable to string together a big run, fought to stay within striking distance for the first ten minutes of the half; about halfway through the half, they trailed by only four. But then things started to get really weird. Maryland, down 11, pressed Miami on the inbounds with around 7:00 left; Nick Faust got the steal and appeared to convert a layup through contact. Faust was called for the charge though, and Mark Turgeon kind of exploded, drawing two quick technicals and an ejection. Miami hit three of the freebies, and Scott Spinelli took things over for the Terps.
What happened after was ... somewhat incredible. Maryland, clearly energized by their coach's passion, was trailing by 11 with about 5:00 to go. But Faust was fouled while attempting a layup, and embraced by Reggie Johnson on his follow-through, with Johnson being called for a technical. That gave Maryland four free throws and the ball - the Terrapins made all four, and then a putback lay-in by Ashton Pankey ensured a six-point possession that cut the lead to five. All of a sudden, it was a game again.
After Turgeon's ejection, Maryland went on a 27-7 run - and three of Miami's points came from the free throws off the two technical calls. Terrell Stoglin hit a jaw-dropping, game-tying three-pointer with 1:03 left, and that would ultimately take the Terrapins into overtime.
What followed is difficult to describe. It was largely a back-and-forth battle for much of the OT period - though Miami got an incredibly lucky bounce when Trey McKinney Jones' 35-foot three-pointer found the bottom of the net - and dueling missed threes in the final few seconds sent the game to another overtime. That period opened with a blatant missed offensive goaltending call, and Maryland never got back around to seriously contending after that. They simply didn't have the legs anymore. Too many missed box-outs and too much sloppy execution - the adrenaline fading, perhaps - doomed them in the final overtime.
There is much and more to discuss from this one - how was the officiating? was Turgeon's technical decision good? how awesome was Scott Spinelli? how well did Alex Len play? was this Nick Faust's coming of age? - and we'll get to all of that, in due time. But there's too much adrenaline flowing to properly address it so quickly.
I'll say this: it hurts to lose, as it always does, and in this game in particular, because Maryland was so close to a win that would've obviously meant so much for the program. In that sense, it's upsetting. But look: Maryland wasn't the better team. They didn't have more talent, or more experience, or the better resumé. They're obviously very far away from where they should be in terms of execution - it's clear, in reflection, that Mark Turgeon has every right to be exasperated with their performances, as he has been often. Maryland isn't, at least not yet, the sum of their parts. (Maybe they are, but I have a sneaky suspicion not.)
But you can never fault effort, and particularly not tonight. It might've taken Turgeon to light a fire under them, but when push came to shove they pushed back. The second half run and two overtimes, during which Terrell Stoglin basically willed points onto the scoreboard, were sights to behold. This is still Gary Williams' roster, mind you, and they have Gary Williams' heart and Gary WIlliams' fight. That was obvious tonight, and good to see. But they responded to Turgeon, as well, and that says something about him and this team. I saw someone say it in the GameThread, and it's a great point: he unquestionably has their backs, and they responded by having his. There's trust building by the day, and that will only lead to good things.
Maryland isn't a perfect team. They're not a very good one, in fact, and almost certainly NIT-bound - if that. But they're a gritty team, and a team stacked with potential. Wait and see where they are in a year. The early returns, at least to me, are promising, if frustrating.
We'll have more tomorrow.
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Running the Offense
One of the biggest bright spots to me was seeing how we should be correctly employing Stogs. When he was the focal point of our plays, coming off of screens, we saw two things: either he got open for an open shot (automatic points), or Pe’ was able to find a man free if the defense adjusted to Stoglin. Stogs can be just as dangerous off the ball, if not more dangerous, than he is with the ball in his hand and dribbling for ten seconds for a contested pull-up. If this continues this year and into next, we could be looking at a dangerous, complete offense, instead of the One-Man Stog Show.
Didn't someone in the game thread call double-overtime before the game even started?
Whose job am I supposed to call for now?
11 points, 5 boards – 15 in 28 minutes…
…and let’s have some fun…UMD 88-86 double OT!!
by curterp on Feb 1, 2012 6:14 PM EST
by discuit on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heartbreaker
Frustration… anger (35 footer and missed goaltend)… disappointment
I like Spinelli, the man deserves some credit for gettin us back into it.
Did you see his "spinelli shove"?
Every time someone would sub in he’d give them a little push on the back.
Cute.
Spin, tonight, became easily my favorite assistant over the past decade
More than Patsos. More than E$. Easily more than Bino.
Give the man a coaching gig.
Yep... i didn't see anything i did not like from him
Except i would have liked to see a timeout called at the end of… first overtime i think? When Pe’ had ball with a couple seconds and had to take a deep shot… would have liked a TO to draw something up.
Was thinking the same
We had about 4 secs. left, definitely enough time to draw something up.
Aside from the 35 footer
Thats the one play i wish we could have back the most… even more than the non-goaltend call
Good write up Ben
Its tough to digest this loss but there is no reason to give our hopes up. We just played 50 hard fought minutes and unfortunately ended up on the down side. This is a Miami team that is a bubble team for the NCAA and were just not there yet. To end on a positive note this gives us great momentum for a mammoth upset against UNC at home. Go Terps!!!!
by proudterp on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Ben
I quickly read through your re-cap and didn’t see your opinion on the initial charging call that lead to Turge getting booted. You agree that it was a terrible call, yes?
Just my two cents
the Miami player slid under him but it was so bang-bang that I can see how the ref blew it.
Honestly Turgeon’s reaction was a build up of numerous plays where the our guards were getting murdered going underneath.
BS call
Why I didn’t like it was that the defender was not square to the basket (meaning he was sideways to Faust, who was attacking the basket head-on) and he was moving TOWARD Faust when contact was made. When two players collide under such circumstances, it’s rare that a charge is called, because generally the defender hasn’t established good defensive position.
I saw what you describe
I also can’t recall a charging foul being called when the defender is moving into the path of the offensive player from the side. However, you almost always see a foul called on the defender when contact comes from the side and the offensive player is in the act of shooting.
That's exactly what I saw
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I never really saw a half-decent angle.
However … I’ll say that what I did see was Nick lowering his shoulder and making contact in the Miami player’s chest. Was the Miami guy set? Don’t know. And I’m pretty sure he had a bit of a glass … uh, ribcage in going down so easily.
But the shoulder was lowered on Nick’s jump stop, and that’ll usually get the call. In my interpretation, if they were saying that it was Nick being out of control through lowering his shoulder, then it doesn’t matter what the Miami guy did and I can understand the call. (Note that I could understand it going the other way, too. Officiating is an art, not a science, as much as we don’t like to hear that.) If they saw the Miami guy simply had position, well, I’m not sure about that.
how could he have position...
when the t/o happened at he same time pratically. He had D position when we just stole the ball??? Not sure sliding = position especially if he obviosly did not know he was playing D?
That's what I'm saying, sort of
See, I’m not sure he had position per se. But that’s a fallacy a lot of fans fall into. You don’t need to “have position” or “not be moving” to have a charge called. A charge can be called if, for example, an offensive player is out of control, or uses an arm bar (technically they should call a push off but you see “charges” called in that scenario). And I think that’s what they said happened with Nick (lowered his shoulder). In which case it doesn’t really matter where the defensive player is, because the call had nothing to do with him, except for the fact that he was the one who got hit.
I agree that you can be moving but I can't recall a charging foul being called where the defender didn't have position
Ramming with a shoulder or using a forearm are usually just called contact fouls.
Once the shoulder drops
They will call a charge 9 times out of 10
The defender doesn't have to have position
If the offensive player drops his shoulder into the defensive players chest, it will be called a charge. The defensive player’s feet can still be moving because when the offensive player drops his shoulder, its considered gaining an unfair advantage, which is the definition of a foul.
Huh?
If the person with the ball commits a personal foul, it is a player control foul. There can never be free throws after it. Ever. There is no other verbiage to describe it. Sure you can get called for hooking or holding or arm barring or running into someone, but it is all the same foul according to the rule book.
There are no other fouls (other than technicals) that can be called. Same thing with team control fouls as of a few years ago. Loose ball (no control) fouls can result in free throws though.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say.
You won't get an argument from me on your points
I am trying to figure out what type of player control foul was called to understand what set Mark off. Did the ref really call a charge? I agree with others that Mark’s reaction was caused in part by cumulative frustration, e.g., Terrell was manhandled throughout the first half with few fouls called. So, maybe calling any player controI foul for the contact that occurred would have set him off. My point is that calling a charging foul on Nick given the circumstances and contact that occurred showed very poor judgement by that ref. I just haven’t seen it when a defender is coming from almost a right angle and comes into contact with the offensive player.
McKinney's 3 was the heartbreaker
A 35 foot prayer doomed the Terps, among many other poor plays by us.
Great great great
great great game. Definitely plenty of mistakes, but tons of positives as well. This team grew up a great deal tonight and that growth will pay incredible dividends in the future. Proud of the team for their effort and their play. Fear the turtle!
"Stacked with potential"?
Seriously? This team is not that good. There’s a handful of guys with “potential”, but stacked? Give me Stogs, Faust and maybe Parker and Len…keep the rest. We will get much better with Shaq and Layman, hopefully, but right now we are pretty bad.
wish I could wait that long.
unfortunately I’m hooked on Terps, eff me!
by 1 proud terp on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
They’re a couple of years out, but I think Padge and Pankey have room for growth as well. I agree that they have lots of potential. You can’t teach the grit.
by Charles2 on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Padge has maxed out on his potential, he is what he is.
Pankey could improve, but I haven’t seen his heart yet. Great body, would love to see it put to use.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see about Padge
He’s really only learned to settle down and convert under the basket this year. If he can add a mid range jumper to his game (ala Dino), he will go to another level. With his quickness a jumper will help a great deal.
The same goes for Pankey. The game just needs to slow down for him. This is basically the first time in two years he’s had the opportunity to play competitive b-ball. He’s back in a big way and I only see a tremendous upside. The same comment about the jumper applies to his game.
I would love to see Padge develop into a Dino type.
Dino had much better hands though, so not sure it’s possible. I give credit to Padge for doing what he’s doing, scoring garbage points, but he shouldn’t be starting on an upper-level ACC team, which we are not.
I’m giving Pankey a pass because of his injury. It’s just frustrating to see him being tentative when it looks like he should be a monster in the post.
by 1 proud terp on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
We'll just have to see
I’m not sure about the better hands. I just know that Dino worked and worked and developed. I get the same sense from Padge. People wrote him off before this year and I think he’s made marked improvement. I don’t think he’ll stop growing. Plus he does more than score garbage points now. He posted up and scored a few times down low this game and at different points this season. I can’t really say if he’d be starting on another team. He’s starting on this one and I think he’ll keep getting better.
I agree about Pankey.
There is more to come from Padge
if he plays opposite another reliable post-player. Hopefully Len or Shaq. Padge is always getting blocked from the weak side because teams aren’t scared of Len or Pankey hurting them down low.
If teams have to honor our weak side post man when Padge is doing his 10 sec post up (lol) he will get his points.
Padge committed two boneheaded, freshman type turnovers
Hit the bottom of the basket on an attempted inbound pass and threw it right to Miami on a weak lob try to Len in the post. He has no excuse, just dumb plays.
Pankey missed three easy layups – one was a clanged dunk. His head is just not in the game at all times. Likely a maturity issue, but those types of misses are killer in a game as close as this one was.
On the inbound play
There was no entry help coming to get the ball in and the Miami had his man locked. We should’ve sent a 2nd guard down to receive the inbounds, not totally Padge’s fault. I agree he makes mistakes, but that one wasn’t all on him.
The effort was awesome
And the fact that we came back from 16-points down in the 2nd half to tie it and force OT is incredible.
But, better team or not, we should have won this game. We had a chance to win it at the end and failed. We had a chance to make some plays in OT and failed. We had a chance to beat them in 20T without their top 3 players and failed.
I don’t think we’re the more talented or better team, but after the comeback, we should have won and we didn’t, and that’s why this one hurts so much.
What?
I get a video of Hester returning a punt against Duke.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
What I don't understand
Is why did we not just keep pounding it down low after the big guy got fouled out?
I noticed they were looking for Len in the OTs, but he just wasn’t open. But we should’ve had Padge on the weak side, or us looking to penetrate and dish or something.
Great effort though, and I’m not mad at them for losing. Coming back and staying with them late should stick with them.
Absolutely agree
How many touches did Padge get in the second half and OT. He was doing very well in the beginning of the game. They should have fed the post to Padge all night.
Because we don't have a reliable post player/game
In OT you have to go with what you know works and for us its giving the ball to Stoglin and letting the offense flow through him.
Spinelli went away from 2 forwards because Miami went 4 guard almost 5 guard actually and he was worried about getting burned on the perimeter.
Stogs was 6-19 from 3
I don’t think that was really working. I love Stogs, but that’s not what we needed to close the game out.
But whats the other option?
Honestly its the best one we have every game. Someone else needs to step up. Every other games its mosley but otherwise its Stoglin or bust.
Drive it
Stogs was totally settling for outside shots. He’s a quick guy, I wish he would’ve looked to get into the paint more. Even if he doesn’t get a shot out of it, he’d draw so much attention that someone will be open.
Driving opens up things a lot, and we really weren’t looking to do that late in the game. Maybe the legs weren’t there or something, I dunno. Looking at the numbers, Stogs, Pe (!?) and Mosely all had more than 40 minutes.
He can hit them though
I thought the end of the game was pretty much just as good as we could have drawn it out. Peshon taking 8 seconds to get a layup was underratedly atrocious, by the way.
Those were the quickest guards UMD has seen all season
that Larkin kid was lighting fast. He took Pe’shon lunch twice before he even knew what happened in the first half.
True
That’s a good point. Still, pass around or do whatever you need to, they needed to get the ball in the paint more down the stretch. Stogs had lost the legs in his shot towards the end and probably should’ve looked for something besides an outside shot on like maybe 5 of those in the OTs.
This
Stoglin wasn’t getting much space when he did drive.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
They were fronting Alex late in the game.
Alex should have done more to push his defender toward the foul line and hold him off with his forearm so the ball could be lobbed to him for easy dunks. He did it once and James tried to pass it to him. However, instead of a deep lob, he threw a little pass that was easily intercepted. I think Alex will get a lot better if he keeps getting minutes like he got tonight and the team will get better at feeding the post.
This was a really painful one to drop...
… But seriously, imagine this team in two years if Stoglin stays. There’s a chance he could be a top-5 scorer in the nation for 2 more seasons after this one. I mean, plus Shaq/Layman, this team is already scary next year.
We got to watch Len, Faust, Howard, Stoglin, Padgett, Weijs and others grow up before our eyes tonight. With only one true senior on this team, this team has a ways to go before it reaches its potential. Very exciting.
He's #15 in 3's in UMD history already
And will be top 10 before season’s end. Including tonight he’s at 91. http://www.terrapinstats.com/bb/topCareer.cfm?stat=3fgm
the thing working against him though, is the lack of postseason games. even if we start making it there, I don’t expect this team to go deep
I also don't think he'll end up shooting this much ...
When the other guys on the floor start being able to score, which better start happening soon
That is a great stat
Faster to 500 than Greivis.
855 career points already — He’s only 265 points away from the #20 scorer in UMD history. With a few postseason games (ACCT? NIT?) he could climb pretty high by the end of the year.
Inside MDSports did something about this a week or so ago
Basically he’ll have to average 20.5 ppg or something like that for his remaining 2 1/2 years to be the all time scorer.
Pretty incredible
Think that’s more than conceivable.
Wonder if he’ll end up staying, though.
that's 57 points if he makes all of them
…might as well shoot that many. risk/reward you know?
They didn't say it on TV,
but my girlfriend was listening on the radio and they said the coaches were wearing shoes for some assistant coach who has cancer… Not sure on the full story though.
Let's compare
Sophomore year to sophomore year.
Kemba: 14.6ppg, 40% shooting percentage, 5.1 apg
Stogs: 21.3ppg, 43%, 2.1 apg
Kemba obviously better supporting cast and more of a pure point, so tough to compare. But Stogs appears to be equal.
From a scoring perspective
Stogs is a better shooter (atleast from deep), but Kemba was better at attacking the basket. Stoglin certainly isn’t bad at it, but Kemba was ultra savvy at getting to the hoop.
Here's a positive
We had 1900+ comments for the game thread, is that the most ever?
Only posts made in regulation time count.
All others must be deleted.
Most frustrating play for me
Was actually a boneheaded play by Ashton Pankey. Spinelli was protecting him by getting him back to play def early and there was one play where you clearly see Spinelli yell at pankey to get back only to have Ashton bite and try to guard one of the guys bringing it up the floor and leaving someone else to defend a 2 on 1. Also, how many times did we get called for push off fouls when we were on the defensive rebounding end? I think you have to make the adjustment and properly box out right?
I think Spinelly tried to ride the Len train a little too long. Should have gotten Padge back in and ran some offense through him.
Dont know how you do it Ben
After games like these I’d say, fuck it… I’m writing this tomorrow
He's a pro
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Ha, it's always a temptation
But I know I have to write it anyway, might as well get it out of the way now.
I predicted a dog fight like a month ago, but damn
I am upset we lost this game, but I can appreciate the effort. Look before the game we were a long shot to make the tourney and now well i’m not gonna stress it anymore. Over the last couple of weeks though I have struggled with the thought of us making the tourney next year. I just wasn’t sure, but after tonight performance I have elevated my expectations for next year to making the big dance. We will control the boards with Len, Padge, and Shaq. We will finally have a 3pt shooter in Layman. Will have a improved Parker and Faust. Only question is Seth Allen better than Peshon or can we land a good transfer PG???? That is the key to making it to the dance before the end of the regular season and sweating it out on Selection Sunday…
tough loss but at least some terps showing out in the nba tonight
Jordan Williams finally got minutes and had 9 pts 8 rbs. Plus Greivis had 20 pts, 6 rebs, 12 ast off the bench
Brian Scalabrine>Andray Blatche
I had no idea he was back from the D league
Good to see he’s getting rebounds.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
But seriously...
we smelled blood in the water and I think we said “we’ll TStog will finish them off” when as a team we could have… darn it!!!
Had them where we wanted them...
Anybody else think we kinda took the foot off when DScott fouled out? We shoulda killed them at that point if we had the killer instinct. Young team…
burn time...
i was surprised M Parker and WEiss did not get more. FT???
Bottom line
We battled and couldov/shouldov got a W. We did not but how many expected us to be this close in this game? We are becoming a TEAM.
the last OT
we needed to score first. If we would have… who knows. It was pretty clear we tried to get it inside but…
Just got the most points for...
most posts in a row!!!
Postgame quotes?
Anyone hear anything from Turge, da Spinn Doctor, anyone?
Stoglin 9-26 and Mosley 1-7
I was tuning in and out so may have missed some key aspects of the game, but really wonder sometimes whether Stoglin’s play is as much a curse as a blessing. That’s so many shots that could have gone to better-positioned players, especially if we had been willing to work it inside more (or was the game plan really just to free up Stogs on the perimeter?) Also, Mosley let go of another opportunity to be a senior leader and a difference maker in such a close contest. Sigh. At last we did battle back in a grand fashion for once. Maybe this new aggressiveness translates into future play.
Please let it transfer into future play...
But our O seemed to defer to TStog. To be a good team we gotta have other options.
Seth Greenburg, is that you?
Agree, Stogs was huge, but should’ve looked to move the ball around a little more.
Dunno why we stopped giving Padge the ball, even if they did have Len on lockdown in the extra periods. That game was totally winnable, and this would be driving me insane if it was any other year. Because it’s this year, however, I love that we fought for it.
I dunno
I watched the game closely and it looked like everyone else was sleeping on offense. Getting the ball to Stoglin seemed right and he was really, really hot at the end of the game.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Also Spinelli killed it
How did A&M let him walk he would have been a great hire after Turgeon. Oh well their lost.
Glass hands
Love the freshman, but would someone please start keeping a statistic on how many offensive rebounds Alex has ripped from his hands on the blocks?! Gotta believe it is experience, but he has hands WITHOUT Velcro…..
by A Brackish Water Turtle on Feb 2, 2012 8:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Four Things I Learned...
1) Pe’shon = Early Grievis + the bad Gilchrist
2) Len has potential, but I don’t want to hear anyone else say ANYTHING about “lottery pick” until he can start hanging onto rebounds
3) Love Turge’s fire. Wish he hadn’t gotten run, but the ref was too quick on the second tech…not Turge’s fault
4) That was probably the win we needed to make the NCAAT. Think we’re good to play a couple rounds in the NIT, though
Word on Turge's fire
But we gotta keep the faith. no? Likely our destination but we got Stogs jumper, no?
I dunno about how quick the technical was, but when they showed the slow-mo replay of Turg going off it looked like he used some choice words that would have gotten anyone a tech.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
And a bonus...
5) If they ever make a movie about the 2002 National Championship team, the role of Jimmy Patsos will be played by Scott Spinelli.
Hey boys!!!!
we got da tarholes to take our anger out on.
How has nobody mentioned
that dunk by Faust??!! That thing was absurd! I was so hyped after seeing him throw it down like that. You could tell how angry he was and how bad he wanted to win. Hope he can play with more aggression from now on like he did tonite.
Parker tore it up too
His second oop and Faust’s baseline dunk were both nasty, and you could tell by Nick’s face that he wanted it. Good call.
+1
highlight reel dunk
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
"was this Nick Faust's coming of age?"
He slammed, he slashed, he soft touched.
A very nice menu.
Faust
He sure did charge a lot too…except for the Turge call. NOT charging.
Were getting close with Len learning how to use him & we should of used Padge more instead of getting in our one dimension rut (outside shots only) offensive like we do but...
Len got 4 blocks 7 rebounds and 11 points…he catches bounce passes the best right now… and we obviously need to practice the lobs with him but otherwise pleased that he had a marked improvement of a game. This game should give us some determination for Saturday. If we can beat UNC Saturday we can start the bubble talk again!
This game was a MUCH WIN for me, but i'm proud of our guys
Because i saw the fire and passion in these guys eyes for ONCE. they really wanted to win, and didn’t give up. They had so many people fouled out, we should’ve won. we should’ve handled it in the first overtime. I can’t be disappointed, because we finally played our hearts out. I’m sorry but i feel like alot of calls are bullshit against. In Florida especially. But regardless, we still had time to put it away and simply couldn’t. I just wish our guys can fight that hard ALL the time. That was amazing to watch us go so hard after turgeon got ejected.
I think Sean Mosley’s offensive foul at the 2nd OT kinda ruined us a bit. He’s so inconsistent with points, but i still love him though just cause he will hustle for that ball.
Terrell was amazing, as always. Maybe too many shot, but he came through when we needed him.
I think Alex Len is not good in clutch situations. He def needs to hit the weight room this offseason. He’s too weak to go against bigger guys. has trouble handling the ball. I see potential in him though.
I’m one of Pe’shon’s biggests fans, but tonight was truly hit and miss with him. It’s weird how last year he was like the best in 3 point percentage and now he’s not as good anymore. I’d much rather him drive to the court. I don’t however think’s he’s as bad as people here make him out to be, he still needs to work though.
Pankey would’ve got and held onto ALOT of those rebounds Alex lost. Same with padgett.
WE NEED TO MAKE OUT LAYUPS, they were a bit of a problem, rather than free throws.
Either way, i’m still proud of this team and the way they fought tonight. That showed that they have heart and that’s all i can ask for. i pray to GOD we can get an upset, preferably against Duke and at least 1 against UNC.
I completely agree on lay-ups
There have been sooo many missed this year, its infuriating. Padge is leading the ACC in offensive rebounding because he’s always grabbing his missed lay-ups, it seems like. Faust has missed his fair share this year too.
Weren't able to seal it, caught some bad breaks...but dang if we didn't play with some singnificant more fight tonight!
Both Peshon and Stoglin should and will be able to play better than they played tonight…now if Turgeon can magically get the back court ironed out more (less dribble turnovers- Peshon) and (better FG% and/or more looks to the guys down low- Stoglin) we should be in good shape. Overall this game was a significant step forward in terms of playing with fire. Really looking forward to seeing what this team is able to achieve this season. Saturday’s game with UNC could really be a rite of passage for us. Our guards need more confindence in our bigs and need to have the will to get it to them in decisive ways. If Turgeon can achieve a balanced high low attack with this team I will be stoked. I think we’re getting close- Len and Padgett are emerging now with what they can do offensively.
Sorry BIG BEN for the langue
We got FUCKED, as if we were playing in DURHAM, N.C. I know the officials are fair, but now were 0-6 at Miami. Aren’t we a charter member of the ACC ?? Don’t we deserve some questionable calls ??
The ACC brought Miami in for football, not for there fan base of 4,000 at basketball games.
I can’t wait till the NCAA decides what to do W/ that mess in Miami football, it hasn’t gone away.
Even though we lost, none of us could say that wasn’t a great game.
After counting the loss, the biggest disappointments for me
were the Terps poor execution or choice of play on the last possession of regulation. The last possession began 35 seconds left, had a distinct advantage inside and still the best the team could manage was an off balance 3 by Stoglin. This was followed by the inability to use the inside advantage on both OTs. I know the Terps don’t have the best finishers but Miami really showed us how to do it, spread the floor, drive to the basket get a hoop, a foul, or a dish for an easy layup or in the case of last night’s game should have been some easy offensive rebounds. Sean disappointed me a bit, too. He needed to show some senior leadership so the team’s not standing around waiting for 12 to do it all. Plus he made a bad decision on the fast break when he picked up the charging call. He needed to pull up for a mid range jumper and should know that. Padge had a bonehead TO, too when he didn’t run the baseline after a made FT when Miami pressed and his inbounds pass hit the bottom of the backboard. He’s a junior and should know better. Lots of lost chances to win this game. SIGH.
Just caught some bad breaks
I think there’s still a lot to like about this team.
Usually we are a first half team…but today we outscored Miami by 11 in the 2nd half.
Good games:
Faust – he played with a chip on his shoulder after Turge left that I would like to see more.
Len- at least compared to the last few games, he did some good things today
Weijs – Why is he not getting more minutes today???? I think he could’ve provided some size to counter Miami
Mediocre:
Stoglin- I can’t tell if Stoglin jacking up bad shots is better offense than anything else. But he did hit some crucial baskets….I think he has a logn way to go trying to learn to see the open man better and pass when he gets into trouble.
Bad
Peshon isn’t a starting ACC PG (I haven’t seen anything to make me thing differently) and it’s killing the team….He makes a lot of bad decisions (for every great pass there is another bone-headed pass), his shot still isn’t falling with any consistency. He provides the team with depth, but we weren’t all that worse with Faust/Stoglin as PG (and that’s saying something)….We need to address this position BAD in coming years.
Pankey also after a good last game became soft again this game.
…The officiating was talked about tonight b/c there were a few key calls that hurt us. One call changes the outcome of the game. It is a difficult job and I understand that refs are human and make bad calls….but it cost us the game.
Battle line drawn
Now the team has to come out against their next opponent with the same skill level. Even if it’s the Heels. Big deal. They trash talk about their money so f m. Stoglin has the touch. If he only shot from outside I’d say that’s a bad dude. His drives in the first half that were blocked better be a learning experience. I saw Howard make a pass off of being cut off but beside that the drives were being forced. It’s better to find an opening than to create it when they’re gonna collapse on you. That’s where coach has to get the ball going cross court not for the three but to jack it up back to the cutter or around the horn and down the middle. You can’t wait til 5 seconds and expect them to open the Red Sea for ya. I liked Len. He’s a good rebounder on the defensive side he needs some help from Pankey and Padge on the o side. I thought I saw Nick with the ball playing point but it may have been Pe. I think the cameras must be in downtown Miami the looks were so awful. What I saw at the close of the half where it got away from the players was the turning point. The comebacks fine. The three’s what can u say. I think Stog can shoot and he knows nobody else is stepping up. Until Parker, Faust and Padgett develop an outside game Stoglin will continue to shoot from outside the arena. He has thick skin and won’t listen. But he’s a team player. You want him when u go down an alley. Parkers alley oop looked good. But there’s more than high lights to winning. I’d say everything else being equal it takes time to work out the kinks but the 15 minutes I saw was a g-d aggressive team that played like they knew what the f they were doing.
It hurts
That we lost that game in a period when questionably their three best players were not playing in (one of whom didn’t play all game).
How to ruin a 3 on 2
With Moseley dribbling straight in to a defender. Typical low bball IQ play.
I also saw two Terps fight over the same board and the ball flew out of bounds. Boneheaded plays have to stop to make up for the lack of offense save for Boss Stogs!
Howard is horrible
He brings nothing to the table. Hes slow, he cant shoot, hes a terrible ball handler, and he gets into bad positions. We have no PG for next season.
I agree with you
How many isos did they run on him with Durand Scott? His footwork is awful on defense.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
It's becoming difficult to watch Len and Pe'Shon play
Len just doesn’t do much right. He doesn’t box out. His hands are inconsistent. He gets pushed around by players smaller than him. There’s no excuse for him not absolutely dominating both OTs after every one of their big guys had fouled out.
Pe’Shon is just irresponsible with the ball. He forces a lot of dumb shit and it’s easy to understand why he’s tied for the lead in TO/G in the ACC. Any time I see Faust or him put up a 3 pointer I cringe.
What can you say about Stoglin? Unbelievable game, but you’ve got to think he’d be able to get up a better shot at the end of regulation. BTW, when’s the last time we saw a Terp shoot 20 3 pointers? I cannot for the life of me remember anyone who even shot 15.
At least we had a good night from the stripe.
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OH
And I was happy to see the Terp press back. Boy, I missed that.
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by John Stephens on Feb 2, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
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