Which is better?
Edsall vs. Leach. It is a solid debate and one that will continue as long as Edsall is coach. It was also an incredibly important decision for our football program that we will look back on and discuss, analyze, and scrutinize, no matter which way it turns out.
There are certainly some RE supporters here, but I think many of us feel as though Leach would've been the better hire.
However, things done changed with the hire of Locks. I know my views on (and hopes for) the program are very different with Locks onboard.
So...
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Leach has had far more success
at a higher level than edsall and they have both had success with 2 and 3 star recruits. Big 12> Big Least. Intangible is that leach puts way more butts in way more seats which equals money and getting out of debt.
All that being said, because I am a big time RE doubter, I have been pleasantly surprised at how RE is handling his 1st off season and i have faith in the program getting better.
by Jeffro78 on Feb 1, 2012 3:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
has Leach ever been to a BCS game? Leach had the recruiting area of Texas, while Edsall was stuck in Conn.
You could def. say Edsall was more successful, even though he was much less flashier
What?
Leach’s WORST season ….his WORST was 7 wins…and 10 STRAIGHT bowl appearances..and he did it in a state where he had to recruit against Texas, Texas AM and OK….who exactly were the competing programs in CT?
by TerpfanMA on Feb 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what good recruits came from CT?
I don’t disagree with you that Leach is the better coach, but I think Md1206s point was that Texas is full of football talent whereas CT not so much
Also butts in seats
Is very tangible, see ticket sales
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by RedTurtle on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dream Team
Put Leach and Locksley together. THAT would’ve really filled some seats at byrd…
And Randy Shannon
Mike Tice coaches the O-Line and LJSr coaches the D-Line
After my vote for Edsall...
It’s a dead heat at 43 votes to 43 votes.
Honestly, I expected it skewed significantly for Leach. Only time will tell if Edsall was the right hire, but I REALLY like the direction the program is headed.
@kckb8 ... #getatme
Also nice to not have to worry about...
all of this Craig James baggage. He would have been in a thorn in Leach’s side, and by extension, MD football’s side.
@kckb8 ... #getatme
Grass is always greener
Lets see what Leach and his staff do at WSU. Here is an article on his class thus far. A few 3/4 star WR’s and a 4 Star RB. Not to shabby.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/01/2007870/wsus-leach-brings-in-receivers.html
by Charlotte NC Terp on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions
I think Locks is the kicker as to why RE is getting so many votes.
I think a straight up or down, Leach vs. Edsall, Leach probably blows Randy away, if I have a pulse of opinion here on TT. If Crowton and/or Bradford were still around, not even close.
Yeah
Who hired those 2 guys? I guess we will give Randy a mulligan on Crowton….and another mulligan on Bradford (yes we know Don Brown left late)……and another mulligan on Tate and what happened to Obrien…..he actually deserves a mulligan for the whole season…so lets just consider this a do over
I have never been so excited to get to 4 wins as I will be in 2012
But dont forget….I love Randy
by TerpfanMA on Feb 1, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, you are my new favorite poster!!
Because I love Randy too!!!
But seriously, I wouldn’t say RE deserves a mulligan, because what’s done is done, and what happened last year is already on the books forever. My opinion is, you’re right he had a very poor and rocky start(from his hires to his record), BUT passing final judgement on a new headcoach after one season(miserable as it might be) is far from fair. He’s made some changes, and looks like this class is better than we could’ve hoped for after the 2-10 disaster. Hoping for some obvious progress next year.
i get it
we have no choice but to see what happens it will be what it will be….i am just annoyed because i (along with most others) saw a 7-9 win season last year which should have helped recruiting and put us in a solid postion for a 9-10 win season this year with Danny Obrien at the helm….now it looks like we will have to be happy with 4 wins and potential promises (dreams) of 6-7 wins years down the road
serious question for you
Can you name 1 MD football coach who had a lousy (pathetic) first year and then ultimately was successful?
So goshdarngood to see you here
Regards -
-hgr
Hello Hugh
You as well……although I sense that my feelings towards Randy Edsall will get me banned here in short order so it may not be for long…
well, present your developed thoughts and don't cycle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUtR8ODxh2A
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
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by 1 proud terp on Feb 1, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Deja Vu.... All over again.
Why do people gotta kick a brother when he be down? LOL.. Come on now! I heard RE has been on house arrest for the past two months for the crime of killing our 2011 season. But he has done his time and is reformed. He has seen the light and will lead us to the promise land………. Can I get a HALLELUJAH!!!
Other coaches who had pathetic first seasons at other BCS conf schools...
…look at the 2011 Terrapins and say “Damn, at least we weren’t that sh” and walk away with a smug sense of superiority.
r-hgr
Well
When Jerry Claiborne start out 5-5-1, you probably would have wanted to run him immediately. You probably would have been bitching about Curly Bird’s inaugural 4-4-2 season as well.
Your tiger stripes, well, are your stripes – they’re not only hair, but in your skin…someone pissed in your Cheerios at a young age, and you never recovered.
Eeyore is your “optimistic” friend…
Steve Jobs was just a pain in the ass, whiny, stickler for details…
Confucius was just a 7’2", wanna be baller…
Gettin’ that bowl of crow ready for you…
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
5-5-1 vs. 2-10?
2-10 is worth complaining about…it was fetid. Maybe the right guys were gotten rid of and superior replacements hired. But the one who was ultimately responsible remains. 2009’s 2-10 season was much more tolerable. 2011 was beating after successive beatings. At some point, shouldn’t Randy have gotten the beatings to stop? So are you comparing RE to Steve Jobs? I thought RE compared himself to, y’know, TFMA’s guy Belichek…..
I do expect better, but getting excited about a 4-8 season just isn’t in me.
R-hgr
silly nonsensical post
Besides the phony assumptions it is based upon it completely ignores the fact that many people who dont like Edsall also really like Turgeon….so just calling people negative who never see anything positive is ridiculous……perhaps what is closer to the truth is that Turgeon is a good coach and Edsall really isnt….yes we are stuck with him for a few more years but that doesnt mean he is good or right for UMD…hopefully Locks will be able to cover for Edsalls inadequacies…I know Edsall hopes so
OK - Confucius was about 6'6" - lol
You’re attempting to set up Coach Edsall in the lose-lose position.
If he keeps losing – well then admittedly, any winning seasons at UConn were a fluke and he’s a bad coach.
MA: “hopefully Locks will be able to cover for Edsalls inadequacies…I know Edsall hopes so”
Thus: If Edsall keeps winning through the 5 years, you still don’t give him credit, stating the OC/DC, line coaches, luck, the players every other thing you can cite, was the reason.
If it’s not the case and you begrudgingly will give Coach Edsall his due if he starts winning and finishes his 5 years strong, then I’ll at least know you’re not a serial hater, just a guy that’s a major “Joning Schadenfreuder.” If you do cite every other reason when he wins (and it bothers you), then you are a hater by definition.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Put some numbers in there..dont just say starts winning or finishes strong
If Edsall exceeds either what Fridge did his first 3 years or if he exceeds where Fridge was his last year, I will give Edsall his props and publicly apologize for my criticisms of him….
Do you think it is unreasonable to expect Edsall to perform better than Fridge?
If you fire Fridge who went 9-3 and replace him with Edsall, why is it unreasonable to expect Edsall to surpass 9-3 within 3 years?
A lot of mixed content in your post
First of all, not to brag too much about it, I was one of the outliers who wanted Fridge to stay for only one more year, and keep Franklin on – look it up in my comments…
Dec 19, 2010:
“In the End”:
We’re all Terps fans who want the best for the team. However, we disagree on how to get there. It’s obviously a timing thing. The group of guys we have now are talented and hard workers with good attitudes, otherwise they would not have been able to turn things around this season.
But I do not know why (because our AD would not comment on it at all) coach Franklin was simply let go. I wish our AD would publicly come out and say that he did not believe he could get it done at UMD as Head Coach in 2012. I think he would have, and Fridge thought he’d be a good HC too. But college sports is a rough business – even old alums get thrown to the curb.
by bball purist on Dec 19, 2010 5:20 PM PST
AND
“Yes, raw deal – it was a no-brainer”:
for a new AD to evaluate things by letting Ralph do his last year, bring in James for a three year deal, and then evaluate things. But no, supposedly knowledgeable people tied to the athletic program knew better and said Franklin couldn’t get it done. THAT is the part that is not being addressed because Anderson revealed this indirectly when he said Franklin would have been a candidate for the job after 2011. If Franklin stayed and the Terps went 9-3 or 10-2 with this large group of returning players, Anderson would have been up the creek. Franklin blinked, took the boneyard nowhere gig, and he made it easy for the "business people" in College Park to have Anderson put his early stamp on the program. Except to me, it’s a stamp of shame, not honor. He turned a cold shoulder to Coach Franklin, who I hope proves the AD wrong – it’s just that Vandy is the school with good academics and a horrible football program.
There were all these cowardly whisperings about Coach Franklin not being a good play caller, but this year our more experienced, tenacious guys exceeded their goal they set with Fridge. They set a 7-5 record and bowl game as their goal, and they achieved it. And for being such a bad 5-3 third best ACC record team, Fridge AND Franklin were shown the door. Make no mistakes, Anderson gladly let Franklin go to Vandy w/o a fight. What a sham…20 seasons in a row with season’s tix, and now this…disgraceful the way it was handled – the AD should be accountable for this next move. If it doesn’t work out, he should resign or be bought out – it is only about winning after all, but it doesn’t count with Fridge’s or James’ guys – have to wait 3 years, right?
by bball purist on Dec 21, 2010 7:50 AM PST
You set things up again for Edsall to “fail” according to your “standards,” but I answer your questions:
“Do you think it is unreasonable to expect Edsall to perform better than Fridge?”
>>>>>I expect Coach Edsall, if he’s here 10 years, to perform as good (at a minimum), and actually slightly better, than Frdige. That means:
Fridge – 10 years75-50, 43-37 ACC record;
(1) outright 1st place ACC finish; (2) outright/ties for 2nd overall in ACC; (2) 2nd places in Atlantic Division.
So yes, I expect him to meet this performance, and would hold KA’s feet to the fire if he didn’t come very, very close to this in worst case scenario;
“If you fire Fridge who went 9-3 and replace him with Edsall, why is it unreasonable to expect Edsall to surpass 9-3 within 3 years?”
>>>Fridge was 9-4 including bowl win. There are some reasons why 9-4 with a bowl win might be harder to come by now than in 2010. For example, Clemson has been bringing in a lot more top recruiting classes with Dabo, Jimbo has FSU back on track, UVa is tougher, etc. That being said, I do expect an 8 win season by year 3, depending upon that year’s schedule. I only have us pegged at 5-6 wins for 2012, so 8 represents another 3 game climb for 2013 – I think it’s reasonable.
Q: If Edsall exceeds either what Fridge did his first 3 years or if he exceeds where Fridge was his last year, I will give Edsall his props and publicly apologize for my criticisms of him…
You try to appear to be the big man ready to apologize if Coach Edsall starts winning, but you choose Fridge’s fantastic 1st 3 years. There’s MANY reasons why that happened at the time, bringing great joy to all of us (you too I assume?), but you again set up mostly anything RE does as a 99.999% chance of failure. So if we win 6 games next year, and then 8-9 games (9 incl. bowl victory, 8 w/ bowl loss) in 2013, you won’t give RE props for turning it around during his tenure (even if arguing he caused the 2-10 downslide)? It seems like you would, so I’ll give you the chance to address a 6 and then 8-9 win season in 2013.
BTW, were you a supporter of the Fridge to Franklin continuity choice that I first wanted? I think I was in the minority. Some did want Fridge extended, while I was more for bringing JF in as I wanted a more dynamic recruiter sooner rather than later.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
At the end of the day after all the excuses about FSU recruiting
have been used up, I look at Edsall this way:
I used Fridges 1st 3 years to prove that a new coach can win right away
I used Fridges last year to show what Edsall was given..
So, if after 3 years on the job, Edsall cannot get us back to where we were before we started, I will consider that sub par performance….if you feel differently, then I think your standards are too low
We found common ground
That way things look right now, expecting a build up to at least 8 wins in the regular season is a reasonable expectation for 2013. After next year, I believe that will be a bar set by many.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
RE is behind the eight-ball, no doubt, after last season.
But with factors such as not being able to afford his buy-out, and his willingness to assess failures and make corrections(Crowton & Bradford), I find it tedious to bash at this point in time. He’s not going anywhere right now, and we are building towards next season, so I will let my optimism ride.
let it ride!
Instead of the fans who continually protect themselves from disappointment, if there looks to be some valid reason for support and hope, one should latch onto it and enjoy the ride, and then deal with the disappointment if it doesn’t work out.
The “I told you so” people usually don’t stand up and be counted. They’re just hiding in the bushes waiting to attack as the next opportunity arises.
I hope they’ll be big enough people to give credit where it’s due if the turnaround happens. I suspect they’ll bitch and moan and say "Leach could have done it a year sooner, or some other “good” reason." That will expose hating for the sake of hating – they may not like to read me stating this, but it’s generally true for most – an insight into their psyche.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
so
So what does your insight into our psyche say about fans like me that dislike Edsall but really like Turgeon?
Its always easy to claim that people who dont agree with you are just haters but the reality really isnt so
Pessimism of the Intellect - Optimism of the Will
It’s cool MA, different strokes for different folks. But it’s over and the Fat Lady sang. In fact, the bitch has strep throat because she just wouldn’t shut the ef up. Yameen!!!
by TwerpsNoMore on Feb 1, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dislike 2-10 - yes
But will you dislike him after a 6-6 record next year? As I’ve said, I will be satisfied with 5-6 wins in 2012 – provided RE’s young recruits that are ready to play their 1st year show signs of improvement, capability, and show up to class and stay out of trouble (as much as they can – lol).
But if you are on this board slingin’ your S after 6 wins, then I’ll conclude you have unreasonable expectations given where we’re currently at – I expect you to form expectations based upon today, not August of lat year, or Nov. of last year.
If you’re not a hater of Randy, the proof will be in the pudding next season. Of course, if we win 4 games or less, I reasonably will expect you to be upset with him as the front man of the business.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Leach, but not for recruiting
He isn’t a great recruiter but we would have won more games with him and our program would have gotten some sizzle.
Give the new assts another year
The ESPN website shows WSU has 28 recruits – 0 5 star, 2 4 star adn 8 3 star. MD shows a 25 man class with 0 5 star, 3 4 star and 12 3 star. I guess that means Randy wins? Seriously, they can’t go backwards after last years debacle and with the guys who want to be there on board and the right assts and recruiters in place I think things are looking up.
!!!!!
Mike Leach is not our coach and never will be!!! Who cares about him! Edsall is our coach so people need to deal with it.
Or do what I do
And just forget that the football program exist until he’s fired.
Has worked wonders for me.
by oriolekid on Feb 1, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm NOT an Edsall fan,
but I look at it this way: We know what we have, and we know we’ll have a clean program. Is it perfect? Far from it. But let’s say we got Leach and wound up severe NCAA sanctions. IMO, that’s FAR worse than where we are right now. That would be a nightmare. This is just a bad dream.
No but it is a close call if its a choice between NCAA sanctions and Edsall
I would probably take Edsall over the sanctions but just barely…..and before we ascribe too much morality to Edsall, the record shows that he can bend his own rules when winning is on the line…..example, the 2 WRs who were suspended last season and then magically reinstated before the big game or his hiring of Locksley with all his baggage because he was desperate for recruits….
As much as pride is telling some of us to take edsall.
this is a no brainer, its leach. Its kind of like the miller versus turgeon thing, if we could go back we’d take miller even though i love turge to death. Same here, if anyone could rewind the clock they would take leach.
Silly question
Right now it’s leach, but in 5 years this should be revisited. Edsall has only been here one year. I’m not a supporter but damn give him at least 3 years before judgment. Plus it’s an entire staff that makes things happen… Or is it. See Harbaugh and my 49ers..
by rquidas on Feb 1, 2012 6:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
This an unfair question
Leach is probably one of the top football coaches in the country, his teams win, have top-notch graduation rates/grades, and afaik he’s never run afoul of the NCAA. He also had Texas Tech competitive in the Big XII, so he has coached in the big time for more than one season. As for Locks, WSU signed Sam Jones today – google that.
Even Edsall’s biggest fans have to admit that he’s no Mike Leach. Not in football, not off the field/academically. But he’s who Maryland hired, so all we can do is hope that he maxes out what he IS capable of and more importantly what the players are capable of. Just because I think he’s going to continue to be an epic failure doesn’t mean that I don’t desperately hope I’m wrong. Not to mention there’s an awful lot of daylight between being a good coach and being Mike Leach. The Terps NEED a good coach, it’s not imperative that we get Leach, even if we look stupid because we COULD have.
I hope you believe that you hope you're wrong
Because you glossed over the reasons why Mike Leach was a huge risk as a hire. WSU was very desperate for a turnaround in fortunes and revenue. They know they’ll be flush with cash w/ the new TV contract, and they rolled the dice since they had nothing to lose.
That may pay off bigger than Coach Edsall, but the risk for Mike Leach embarrassing WSU/getting involved in another law suit, etc, is higher. I’m not saying I think he’ll implode at WSU – he may do a terrific job – but we can all see the risk/reward had to have been weighed by Admin when considering who to hire.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
we took a similar risk with Locksley
by TerpfanMA on Feb 1, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
similar? Not really the same
but it is a risk. It’s more of a risk with a Head Coach than a coordinator or other assistant – just the way it is.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Leach no doubt
1. The attention he would’ve brought to the program
2. Better recruits
3. Video below is pure gold lol

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