Maryland Terrapins @ N.C. State Wolfpack Gameday Guide: Terps Start ACC Slate With Raleigh Roadtrip
What: The Maryland Terrapins (10-3) begin their ACC season on the road with the N.C. State Wolfpack (11-4)
Where and When: RBC Center, Raleigh, N.C.; 6:00
Where to Watch: ESPNU; I would expect you could fish around for a stream (FirstRowSports, etc.) if you need to
Line: Vegas: Wolfpack -10 KenPom: Wolfpack by 15, 12% chance of Maryland victory
Gameday Reading: [Our preview] | [Terps' expectations heading into ACC slate] | [Quotes from Turgeon on his ACC debut] | [Pankey adjusting to new role]
Storylines/Notes:
- And the starting lineup is...? It's a good question. If Maryland stays with their usual starting five, 6-0 (maybe) Terrell Stoglin, whose defensive play has oft been questioned, will be forced to guard someone at least five inches taller than him, if not six. I wouldn't be surprised to see Stoglin start off on the bench to try to reduce the amount of time he has to play mismatched.
- Just how good is Alex Len? Len has looked like a world-beating, top-five-type recruit in his first three collegiate games. His first three collegiate games, though, came against Albany, Samford, and Cornell. He was the tallest player on the floor by a wide margin, and frankly should've done about as well as he did. His challenges will be much greater this evening, when he has to go against multiple talented big men.
- Going for double-digits. Maryland has won nine straight against N.C. State, dating back to 2007. (Seven of them, for what it's worth, came at the hands of Greivis Vasquez.) A win tonight, and they'd have a ten-game winning streak over the Wuffies.
- Gary-Yow Bowl, Pt. V. Maryland won in the first football game and the two basketball games, only suffering their first loss to Yow's Wolfpack after Randy Edsall blew a gigantic lead in the final game of the 2011 football season. This, though, is the first basketball matchup since Yow made her famous "sabotage" remarks about Gary Williams. So there's certainly some extra fire in it for the fanbases, if not the teams.
- Welcome to the conference. So, it's Mark Turgeon's first ACC game ever. Hopefully he starts it off with a bang. As an interesting sidenote, it starts off against a team that once wanted him badly.
The Opponent (An Overview): N.C. State comes into the game 11-4, having won five straight and demolishing their last opponent, Delaware State, to the tune of 78-44. They're ranked 50th in KenPom, 62nd in RPI, and 54th in the Sagarin ratings. They're for my money probably the third-most talented team in the ACC, with a host of former four- and five-stars dotting their roster. They're not a particularly quick team nor are they particularly slow, at 142nd nationally in raw possession numbers, and go only about nine-deep on a regular basis.
Expected Starting Five:
| Maryland | N.C. State | |
|---|---|---|
| Pe’Shon Howard, So., 6-3 | Lorenzo Brown, So., 6-5 | |
| Terrell Stoglin, So., 6-0 | C.J. Williams, Sr., 6-5 | |
| Sean Mosley, Sr., 6-4 | Scott Wood, Jr., 6-6 | |
| Ashton Pankey, Fr., 6-9 | C.J. Leslie, So., 6-8 | |
| Alex Len, Fr., 7-1 | Richard Howell, Jr., 6-8 |
I went with Stoglin at the 2 and Pankey at the 4; it could easily morph into Mosley at the 2, Nick Faust at the 3, and/or James Padgett at the 4. State is more or less set unless they pull a shocker and play Tyler Harris or DeShawn Painter, but I wouldn't expect that.
Four Factors:
Red on red is obviously lame; Maryland is on the left, State on the right. (You can mouse over the bars to find out.) State has an advantage in every category save free throw rate, which of couse doesn't matter for Maryland because they don't hit their free throws anyway.
Matchup to Watch: The answer here is pretty easy, given their long-standing rivalry: Ryan Harrow vs. Terrell Stogl...oh, that's right, Harrow transferred to Kentucky. So that worked out well. With Stoglin unable to "cook" Harrow for third time in his career, we have to focus elsewhere, namely: Alex Len vs. N.C. State's frontcourt. If there's any position where Maryland could have a significant advantage, it's there. We don't know how good Len is against other ACC-level bigs; if he's just as good as he was against the mid-majors, Maryland has a viable chance. If N.C. State comes out ahead here ... well, it won't be so nice.
Keys in Cliches:
- Hit open shots on the perimeter. Uh dur, yeah, I know. This is like saying "score more points." (Which is also a good idea, by the way.) But fact of the matter is that N.C. State is one of the worst perimeter defense teams in the country and get lit up somewhat regularly. If Maryland is going to pull the upset in this one, they'll need to hit the open shots they inevitably get - and not just Stoglin, either.
- Control the glass - or at least tie the battle. This is a really interesting battle for me, and I sort of alluded to it above wit the Len-vs.-State-frontcourt thing. N.C. State has the second-best offensive rebounding % in the ACC, which you'd think would be problematic for Maryland given their middling defensive rebounding stats. But they've looked a seriously better team on the glass since the emergence of Len, and they might be able to go toe-to-toe with the Pack on the boards. That'll be intriguing.
- For all that is holy, please make free throws. If you were watching the Duke-Georgia Tech game yesterday, you probably noticed that if Georgia Tech made its free throws, it would've won the game. That's one of those things: if you're going to pull an upset in the ACC, especially on the road, you have to hit freebies. We know that's been a kryptonite for Maryland in recent years.
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So Many Subplots Today
Vegas has us as the underturtles. Lets prove them wrong and extend our winning streak over state.
Big day in the Tarheel State for Maryland hoops.
Women in Chapel Hill @ 1 on FoxSports South (channel 420 on Dish in the South). Men in Raleigh @ 6 on the U. A ’Terps fan delight today.
Id say this may be one of the more important games of the season. I think NC St. is sort of
that cut off from top 4-5 teams to everyone else who is just average at best.
Stoglin is the key...
He must prove that he can create his own shots against taller opponents and continue to lead the Terps in scoring.
I expect state (and everyone) to focus on shutting Stoglin down. If he is unable to rise to the challenge, we will be in for a long season.
Go Terps!
by VCTerp on Jan 8, 2012 8:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And talk of Stoglin not starting...
because of the other team’s height is ridiculous.
Go Terps!
by VCTerp on Jan 8, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying it necessarily will happen
Just that there’s a height mismatch and I wouldn’t be surprised if it did. Turgeon flirted with benching Stoglin before, remember, and had to be talked out of it by Stoglin himself.
Frankly, I'd rather see Faust start at the 2
and Stoglin off the bench, and Mosely at the 3.
When State played
Indiana, they stuck Jordan Hulls (generously listed at 6’0") on Scott Wood. Wood, despite being taller than many of the people guarding him, never takes advantage of it. All Stoglin would need to do is stand out at the 3 point line with him.
by PACKHOOLIGAN on Jan 8, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that Stoglin is a must start
He is our best offensive player without a doubt. If you want the terps to go down by 10 points early in the game then yeah you start Mosley and Faust.
How many times this year has Stogs gone scoreless (or scored very little) early in the game?
Granted, this is stiffer competition, but having Stogs start on the bench might motivate someone else (Mosley, Faust, Len) to focus more on getting their shots and hitting them.
Just a thought…
Stogs is the leading scorer in the ACC/6major conferences
The argument was that he was a defensive liability. I think Stogs will be fine today. Hes a must start with his offensive prowess.
A Couple Intangibles...
Terps as underdog was Gary’s motivational specialty…let’s see how Turge does…I like them a little more this evening because of that factor…State has a lot more to lose – new coach – first ACC game (and at home) – a lot of pressure on them and Turge is the better coach…Like us to squeak one out!!!
Don't forget the Yow factor could be a motivate them to prove something
and possibly lift any pressure they might normally feel in the same situation.
What?
There’s not a player on either roster that could give a rat’s ass about Debbie Yow v GW. I live in Raleigh and I can tell you (1) no one down here talks about that anymore and (2) the Pack is playing really well and they believe in their coach. I’d love to see the Terps pull this one off but this ain’t Sid Lowe’s Pack anymore. This will be a very tough game for us. Len has to play great for us to have a chance.
I hate these state A-Holes.
I want us to win so badly, it looks unlikely though because its a road game. If we were at home i’d feel more confident.
Mosley needs a game like he had against Cornell
And we need to stay in front of Lorenzo Brown. I saw State play Campbell and they barely won. It reminded me of the Terps own battles against our cupcakes. To me, my impression of State is they’re really athletic but really lazy. We have the better coach so I’m hoping we can spring the upset tonight. State did beat Texas, though. Really no bad losses unless you count Stanford.
That Notre Dame victory is starting to look good.
If a player doesn't chose Maryland it doesn't make him a bum
I really feel like 10 minutes in we will know
What type of team we have for this game. If we play like crap right out the gate we aren’t going to win. We have no chance. But if we set the pace and play a game NC State cant really keep up with, we’re golden.
UCLA who?
Md by 4
I’m feeling it. Let’s go
by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 8, 2012 9:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
nc state by only 6
but i want this game SOOOO bad.
maybe turgeon gets this gane after knowing the yow storyline. i think padgett or pankey may be the guys who show well today that we least suspect. and based on how they have played, the terps show that even if they are down they can fix their woes in the second half of a game. colorado and notre dame ARE looking good, but if the rest of the acc is so up and down [like FSU, and clemson] then we will still have trouble getting anywhere.
i don’t think this game shows how they will be for the rest of the season because they are and have been pretty inconsistent for some time now. let’s appreciate the baby steps. game by game. 7-9 is a success.
Len is gonna dunk on Leslie so hard
he will be seen visibly weeping on the bench
ACC season baby!
I’ve been waiting for the terps to redeem their acc performance since the ugly end to last year. This game will show what we’re made of and I can’t wait to see what the Turge has in store for State!
Baltimore Sun article about Pe'shon, take it FWIW.
Howard talks frequently to center Alex Len. Here is Howard’ s version of one exchange i enjoyed.
" We were talking to Alex and we said, ‘Alex you’re good. You’ re going to be a pro’.
“He said,’ Are you crazy? I can’t be a pro. Picture KG(Kevin Garnett ) guarding me.”
According to Howard, Len had another reason for not imagining going pro anytime soon.
“He said , ‘I love college. I’m not going anywhere . I’m just going to eat Boston Market everyday.”
- Jeff Barker
by fatchris on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
according to the 2012 recruiting big board
he’s good for four years, unless thats a typo?
I remember somebody saying he only had 3 years of eligibility
That might have changed but I do remember that
ill ask during the game thread
what your saying does sound familiar i was just going by the chart
I'll be really happy with three years of Alex Len
I think he intorduces himself to the ACC in a really big way today.
someone told Alex when he came here that it's the only Boston Market!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 8, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I feel you Len, I loved that boston market too
and lets go to Bentleys...
by johnnyrobs13 on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s just hope the Boston Market in college park stays open the next 3 years.
follow me on twitter! @lynx_the_one
we should eat there to have "Len sightings" lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 9, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Padge should start
Am I the only one who thinks that Padgett has severely outplayed Pankey this year? Dude gets like 5 ORebs a game. I think the reason he has seen the bench so much early on is that he was not a great match up to guard smaller shooting “bigs” that the mid major teams were playing at the 4. If he can’t get out and guard a guy on the 3 point line while still being quick enough to ensure he doesn’t get beat by backdoor cuts, then I can see Turge going with a guy like Pankey or 4 guards to prevent easy buckets. I think against ACC teams you will see an uptick in the amount our 4 bigs play. You will see guys get in foul trouble and you can’t guard guys like CJ Leslie or Mike Scott with Sean Moseley. I hope this happens as I am a huge Padgett fan. Go get em James!!
No you are not the only one. He is the best offensive rebounder in the nation
by a wide margin, although that will surely come back to Earth during conference play.
That’s a good point regarding Padgett’s minutes. I had thought it was Turgeon settling down the rotation and giving Len some extra seasoning minutes.
We all saw Padge’s potential early on, though very few of you will admit it. Yes, he turned it over a lot, but the talent was there. I am very happy with how he’s developed. Now, if he could just learn to box out on the defensive glass…
no no no... lol
I dig Padgett. I really do.
I’ve been a supporter since he got here. but on the defensive end he isn’t very good at all. when he is guarding a long shooting pf he gives him loads of open space to shoot. he has no clue how to defend outside of the paint. he got cooked over and over in the Alabama game and others.
he looks to score too often and has added turnovers to the team and taken away open shots by not kicking it out. he scraps on the offensive boards only. remember that pankey has more rebounds per game than Padgett. Padgett is finally getting floor time and doing well with it. but pankey spaces better, defends better and is more of an intimidator than Padgett. he also doesn’t ever get the post touches that Padgett does and he has already proven he can score from there.
he has ability but needs to work on his game this summer.
by space_ on Jan 8, 2012 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will see more zone defense...
…early unless we get behind…to force slower tempo and neutralize Stoglin’s height disadvantage.
Unrelated: Does anyone know what channel the Wake game is gonna be on?
I’m going on vacation today and want to DVR it!
Streaming live...
I just checked firstrowsports.tv and the game will be there for those who are trying to find a link. Go Terps!
And Ben
If two ACC teams are 10-4 and 11-4 respectively, there can not technically be an upset.
If you define upsets by the team's records
But N.C. State is clearly the superior team, both statistically and by the eye test. And it’s in Raleigh.
heard this 2nd hand. someone close to d o’brien says he is going to transfer. take it or don’t take it for what it’s worth.
Is it too early to start tailgating?
Only 11 oclock here on the west coast, but I could sure go for a good beer (Double Mountain IPA) and some chips! ARGH! I am nervous….
Man
NCSU is NOT that good. We may lose but lets not elevate an ACC to mythical status. This will be a test, but its not so much ours to lose as we’re gonna have to grit it out to win.
Lets get tough, play a full game, and not beat ourselves up before ACC play even starts.
by db0255 on Jan 8, 2012 3:38 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions

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