Maryland Minute - 01.30.12 - Is Terps Guard Terrell Stoglin Helping Other Teams With Poor Shots?
by Dave Tucker on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM EST
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Tracking the Terps: Does Terrell Stoglin play 'for both teams?' - herald-mail.com
Interesting comment by Seth Greenberg about Terrell Stoglin after his team's 73-69 loss to the Terps on Saturday. He basically said Stoglin is good, but some of his bad shots let Tech get back into that game.
WaPo's in-depth profile of Shaquille Cleare
Whoa. Good stuff. Shaq seems like a really likable kid, a giant teddy bear of a center. Maryland is a very good place for him, I'm guessing. -Ben B.
New Terps defensive coordinator Stewart to earn $350,000 - Washington Times
The only thing that ticks me off about this is the radio and tv appearance stuff. If he's not allowed to make them, it's ridiculous and someone in the AD's office should be fired for letting this happen again.
Former Terps offensive coordinator Gary Crowton to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers - baltimoresun.com
Gary Crowton went to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. That should tell you something, Edsall, that no one wanted him and you probably shouldn't have hired him in the first place.
ACC basketball report: Terps’ Len experiences growing pains - Sports and stuff
Interesting piece on Len's growing pains.
Terps Football: Combining the Recruiting Rankings | Baltimore Sports and Life
Chris over at Baltimore Sports & Life takes a look at the combined Maryland recruiting rankings for football.
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Completely off topic
Have you seen (and I’m guessing you have) Blake Griffin’s dunk on Kendrick Perkins last night? This comes after his dunk on Timofey Mozgov. Incredibly athletic and sick…but does anyone else feel like it was more like he “threw” the ball through from above?
Sad thing is, the time I spent ooh-ing and ahh-ing over these clips is the most I’ve been interested in watching the league this year. Literally. But I digress.
Griffin = stud pony
SG - Whiny Hypocrite
So he can take some jabs at Stogs, but when Shaka talks smack saying his team is better than his squad, he shuts up – in the Alex Len article:
“Virginia Commonwealth coach Shaka Smart created a bit of a stir Monday when he said on the Colonial Athletic Association’s conference call that the best teams in Virginia are in the CAA.
But Virginia Tech coach Seth Greenberg, for one, wasn’t in the mood to debate.
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion," Greenberg said. "I’m sure Shaka is doing what he needs to do to promote his league and his program. I’ll talk about ACC basketball, our program. I won’t spend outside energy discussing anyone else’s program."
So now the cat’s got Greenberg’s tongue? Chicken! He should have responded like he does to every other single thing. Yeah, talk about ACC bball by criticizing Stogs. SG should worry about why Eric Green isn’t producing like Stogs.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Shaka was half right
VCU and UVA are the two best teams in VIrginia.
Jan 30th was my B-day
So of course it’s an awesome day to be born!
I see your Jan 30th b-day and raise you a Jan 31st one.
Let’s hope the Terps give us all slightly late presents with a win tomorrow night.
I see your Jan 30th b-day and I'm right with ya
Hit up Bobby’s Burger Palace with the boo last night
by bloodwatermission on Jan 31, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Shaq Cleare
I didn’t realize how much Shaquille Cleare loved Gary Williams. Gotta love a recruit who shies away from the shadier side of recruiting.
by Hardman on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Even if Stoglin does end up helping the opponent with some of his shot selection, he’s still by far our best offensive option. Live by the Stoglin, die by the Stoglin.
SG is such an asshole...
who won the game jack-ass?! Did Stogs’ 21 second half points go in our bucket or his?
by WherestheBison on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
VT plays for the opposing team
to the tune of a 1-6 ACC record. MD = #Winning
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Follow up to the Cleare WaPo article
Prisbell posted extra thoughts not included in the original article. Worth a read.
by terppride on Jan 31, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jeez. There's ANOTHER story from Prisbell from Shaq
He’s milking this cow for all it’s worth, and I couldn’t be happier about it.
Shaq relating himself to Oher & "Blind Side"
Very Interesting – I like it
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 31, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
And Yet Another....
Let him milk away.
r-hgr
the more I read, the more all of us should know
Turge has similar strengths as Gary as a coach. I do not want to turn it into a whole comparison discussion, but merely celebrate the many great qualities as a coach and person we’ve received when Turge came aboard – we are most fortunate. Shaq is our bonus!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hate on SG, but he is right
Let’s all be honest here – Stoglin forces shots. It was fine when we didn’t have other offensive options earlier in the year, or when there is 5 seconds left on the shot clock. But in the flow of the game, firing up ill-advised shots from the top of the key are not helping the Terps on the defensive end. Sure, he may make that shot 50% of the time. But the 50% of the time he misses or if he is stripped, its a fast break the other way. Two points for the other guy. I love Stogs as much as the next guy, but our team hurts on the defensive end in a big way when he does this. Especially since Stoglin himself puts in little-to-no effort on the defensive end of the floor 75% of the time. He showed flashes of great passes and working within the offensive, and I think that’s when we’re at our best.
We are being honest
Stoglin has been much better on the defensive end. The entire team has terrible mental lapses in transition that kill us, both offensively and defensively. Stogs had some of his worst decision making on saturday but was still a key in the win (he scored 28). Also, we have major scoring droughts every game when Stogs is either on the bench or not shooting and he is forced to take bad shots to keep us in the game. If he isnt taking 18 shots and he isnt scoring, we do not have the fire power to win most games. Padgett is a fantastic offensive rebounder and so is mosley. Peshon, Parker, and Faust can’t shoot worth a lick. Padgett is below average finsihing around the basket and len drops everything in the paint. I don’t blame Stogs for taking some of those bad shots because it is our best chance to score.
SG's comments are correct
But…opposong coaches do not talk about other team’s players unless in a postive way. Low class in my opinion.
agreed
especially when that opposing player is going to tear up your team the next two years
by OldLineLeader on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to bet SG will not be there next year
Hopefully this is the last we have to deal with him
I disagree about the defensive effort....even Turgeon has said he's improved a lot in this area.
He is our only consistent source of offense like it or not……
He’s going to take some ill-advised shots because until someone else consistently steps up he is going to try and carry the team. I don’t fault him for some ill-advised shots which he has generally taken fewer of as the season goes on…
Even though he scored a lot I don’t think the VT game was his best in recent memory….People harping on him forget that we would not be anywhere close to where we are without Stoglin… Sure he makes bad decisions, but he’s earned the right to take bad shots from time to time….
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
People forget that a lot of times
We’re asking him to take those shots. No one else can really create his own shot. Sometimes he just has to take those shots, it comes with the good and the bad.
RIP Lennie Bias
Turgeon General, Fear the Turgeon, in Turgeon we trust.
Lesean is the "Real Slim Shady"
by dterpfan on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No one is asking him to take a shot with 35 on the shot clock (literally) when we have a lead with three minutes left.
I agree 100% that he is our best scoring option, but his decision making is really horrible sometimes (exactly like Greivis at the same point).
Only as as a scorer and only as a scorer is TS
ahead of GV at the same point. GV threw up a TON of wtf shots at this point in his career…ones that did not hit. But GV was much better defensively (and longer) and has much better assists. Our bigs inconsistency at hitting shots from point blank off of a great pass has hurt us this year – and everyone could point to any game to see examples of this (some of JP’s offensive rebounds and putbacks came off of great passes from TS).
TS is a keeper. Its up to MT to coach him, but he is a serious keeper.
r-hgr
like i said
comes with the good and the bad
RIP Lennie Bias
Turgeon General, Fear the Turgeon, in Turgeon we trust.
Lesean is the "Real Slim Shady"
A sad cry for attention, Dave.
Ok, I’ll say it, Happy Birthday, bro!!!
He's a Sophomore
& is expected to carry the team. Where would the Terps be without him? Yeh, he jacks up some ill advised shots. But he also creates & hits a fair amount of shots as well. Many of us Turtle fans have been hoping for a pure scorer for a few years now. If you recall, Mike Jones needed some persuading to get his defense up to par with the rest of the team. Well, we’ve got a scorer now & I think the rest of his game can still be molded into making him a better all around player.
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Greenberg is a dildo with ears
to quote Bobcat Goldthwaite. He should worry about his own sorry ass team sitting in last place and stop yapping about the opponents. BTW, it was our overly generous defense in the last two minutes that made that game close. Sure you don’t want to foul, but make them throw a pass or at least change directions before you give them the layup.
by terpdbb on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Dave, I thought Crowton was sort of forced on Edsall by KA.
Didn’t RE want to bring in his OC from Uconn, but got nixed because KA wanted to bring in a name with more splash?
TS
Stoglin is young and still learning. He’ll be fine. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of this was SG trying to get into TS’s head. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Ehsan kind of pushed him to make the comment. Stoglin’s pretty tough and has a scorer’s mentality, so I doubt this will have the desired impact. If anything, he may score 40 on VT the next time around (on above 50% shooting).
Anyway, Greivis really had his ups and downs in play his first couple of years as well. It’s to be expected. I’m fine with the growing pains. I’d rather him be confident than timid. As long as he starts to learn to incorporate more of the team into his “flow,” the Terps will be fine.
i think rob should have helped Seth out BEFORE the game
and b4 Stogs dropped 28 on them! lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
stogs is leaps and bounds better at this point in his career than GV was
besides maybe passing ability
He's pretty much only better in scoring
GV had better passing, rebounding, and defense.
No, no, no, Greivis' and Stoglin's sophomore stats
Greivis
17.0 ppg 6.8 apg 5.7 rpg 1.55 a/to
Stoglin
21.3 ppg 2.1 apg 3.4 rpg 0.9 a/to
GV has the height factor...
in his corner, helping on the boards and D.
by Terp2B on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apples to oranges, sadly.
Both fantastic players. One is a 6-0 2-guard. The other was a 6-6 point. I think it’s best not to compare them.
SG is just sad he doesn't have a scorer
of Stoglin’s caliber on his team. Yes, Stoglin forces some shots, but as others have already noted, he’s just a sophomore. Not to mention, has there ever been a pure scorer who doesn’t force some bad shots? Stoglin will always take some bad shots. As he matures, he’ll take fewer, though.
by Jason Middlekauff on Jan 31, 2012 7:11 PM EST reply actions
Four words for Seth Greenburg
Wire-to-Wire Victory
VT is history. Let’s get ready for the U!
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