Mid-Term Grades: Basketball 101
by curterp on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM EST
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PrintWe're not quite half way through the season, preparing for the ACC schedule. What better time to evaluate how well everyone is doing?
If memory serves, back in October we were discussing what we expected out of each of the players. Ashton Pankey was an unknown quantity, coming off leg surgery and preparing to play for the first time in two years. How much would James Padgett progress? Would Sean Mosley, Berend Weijs and Mychal Parker show dramatic improvement? What would Nick Faust be able to contribute? We weren't sure when Pe'Shon Howard might actually be able to play, and Alex Len was a big (literally and figuratively) question mark. Finally, would Terrell Stoglin be able to improve upon his freshman performance?
So, if you were Mark Turgeon, what grade (A through F) would you give them individually and as a team? And, how do you expect they'll fare - individually, and as a team - against ACC competition?
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Team Grade: B+
(all grades compared to expectation)
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A-
Howard: B+
Len: B+
Mosley: B
Parker: B-
Pankey: B
Padgett: C+
Faust: C
Weiss: Ugh.
I’m looking forward to some good things from this team, hopefully a decent NIT run, and a .500 mark in the ACC.
Weijs*
I was really hoping he’d at least bulk up a little bit, maybe that would help him on offense with getting position enough to at least get ball movement going in and out. And more importantly, I wanted him to improve on the defensive end with some blocks (he had 1 block per 6 and change minutes last season, this year it’s down to a block every 16 minutes).
Wow
1 block every 16 minutes? Am I the only one that thinks that is pretty solid? And how can you have Faust even passing. He can’t shoot. He forces shots way to much. His defense is average at best. There isn’t much for this kid to be proud of thus far. I know he’s a freshman but he’s playing like a freshman in high school
by Ashmed21 on Jan 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't disagree more about Faust
The place where he significantly disappointed with respect to expectations is shooting. Remember, he was a kid who was thrown into playing a lot of point guard (and probably a lot more minutes) early on because of Pe’s injury – a position he hadn’t played since 7th grade. I think this has compromised his transition from HS to the speed of the college game. But he’s contributed in a lot of other ways. I don’t think we should be too disappointed with 7.5 points, 4 rebounds and almost 3 assists per game, a positive assist to turnover ratio of about 1.3 and leading the team in steal at about 1 per game that he’s producing.
those stats are so inflated
First of all he averages 30 minutes per game, so those stats really aren’t that impressive. Next, he has shot 103 times, so the 7.5 points per game is actually terrible. Mosley has shot about the same amount and averages 3 more points per game! 20% from the 3 point line and a 31% FG against awful competition is not going to cut it. Not to mention he is shooting 55% from the free throw line. I’m very concerned about him when we start facing good competition in the ACC.
Agreed
I’m seeing Weijs get a bunch of D’s and stuff, and it makes no sense. I mean—he isn’t very good. But I didn’t expect him to be good. I expected him to be able to eat some minutes every now and again without having us get killed inside when he is in the game.
He has done that. Not much more, but he is a serviceable backup center that will block a shot and make a layup if he is open.
Because these are supposed to be scaled to expectation, I think he lands right on the curve—neither over or underperforming. (In fact, the only underperformers I have are Faust and Parker—and Faust is probably mostly due to inflated expectations).
Scaled to expectation?
You make a pretty good point here that I’m sure responders took differently. It’s one thing to rate on objective productivity figures given the amount of minutes played, it’s another to rate on expectation (coming into the Maryland program generally or coming into the season specifically).
If that was the case, we’d be seeing a lot more C’s and D’s from Mosley (was he not the 2nd highest scoring Maryland HS basketball player coming in). For Weiss, if you rate him on objective numbers, he’s in the C/D range; if you rate him on the expectation that he is a serviceable backup center for this season, he’s more in the B-/C range.
Team Grade B+
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A
Howard: B-
Len: A-
Mosley: B-
Parker: C+
Pankey: C
Padgett: C
Faust: C
Weiss: C -
Auslander: A++++
Team b-
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A
Howard: A-
Len: A-
Mosley: B-
Parker: C+
Pankey: B
Padgett: B
Faust: C
Weiss: D
Great idea
Team: B
Turgeon: B+
Stoglin: B+
Howard: B+
Len: A
Mosley: B
Parker: C
Pankey: B-
Padgett: B
Faust: C+
Weijs: C+
Team B+
Turgeon A-
Stoglin B+
Howard B-
Len A-
Mosley B
Parker C-
Pankey B-
Padgett B+
Faust D+ (I know. Pretty harsh)
Weijs C
by nhlnflnba18414 on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Team B
Turgeon – A
Stoglin – B
Howard – B
Len – A
Mosley – B+
Parker – C+
Pankey – B
Padgett – B-
Faust – C+
Weijs – D+
Thomas – C+
Auslander – B
Overall Team - B
Defense (Pre-Len) – C
Defense (Post-Len) – B
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: B+ (still takes stupid shots)
Howard: B
Len: A-
Mosley: B
Parker: C
Pankey: B-
Padgett: B
Faust: C
Weiss: H (yes, my scale goes that low)
Auslander: B+
Ranson: A
Hill: A
Spinelli: A
Johnny Holliday: A+
Jalen Tabor: A+ for 20 years!!!
At least Berend doesn't average 2 airballs per game.
He also plays good defense and doesn’t really do anything wrong. He just doesn’t have the game to do much of anything on offense.
You also spelled his name wrong, btw.
Team: B
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A-
Howard: B-
Len: A-
Mosley: B-
Parker: C
Pankey: C+
Padgett: B-
Faust: C
Weijs: D
Team: B+
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A-
Mosley: B+
Len: B+
Padgett: B
Howard: B
Pankey: B-/C+ (Strong start but has since fizzled. He also seems to be getting lazy)
Parker: B-/C+ (Started as a C range but has played much better lately)
Weijs: C
Auslander: C (Not that good, but gets a boost as a ‘walk-on’)
Faust: D
Faust has played better than I am giving him credit for but, given expectations, he’s been lousy. He can’t shoot, he can’t finish at the rim, he’s average on defense, he makes bad decisions, and he has been lost on the court way too much. I know he was forced to play out of position and got more minutes than he probably should have with Pe’Shon out but he’s struggled because of more than just pressure. His fundamentals need A LOT of work.
I gave the team a B+, but only because they’ve played above my expectations. Realistically, they would probably get a B- or C+ because of two blowout losses and close wins against mediocre opponents.
Forgot Jon Thomas...
I give him a C+/B-. He hasn’t been outstanding by any means but he has generally played responsible basketball when he’s been in and he knocks down a good amount of his open looks from beyond the arc, which only Stoglin and Howard (and at times Mosley and Parker), have also done.
Team: B+
Turgeon: A-
Stoglin: A-
Howard: B-
Len: A
Mosley: B
Padgett: B
Pankey: B-
Parker: B- (wasn’t expecting much of anything, somewhat pleasantly surprised).
Weijs: C
Faust: C
Since you said Turgeon...
Pe – B+
Stog – B
Mosley – B
Padge – B
Len – B+
Parker – B
Faust – C+
Pankey – C+
Weiss – B
From me…
Pe – B+ (small sample size but has made huge difference)
Stog – B- (showed no understanding of the PG role when needed, true shooter this year)
Mosley – B (senior leader still doing little things, still not a scorer)
Padge – B+ (low expectations)
Len – B+ (better than expected)
Parker – B+ (much improved from last year, still plenty to work on)
Pankey – B (wildcard coming into year, still inconsistent game to game but lots of potential)
Faust – D (expected lot, has been worst rotation player by long shot)
Weiss – B- (solid team defender, not many looks or minutes)
Team: B
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A-
Len: A-
Howard: B+
Mosley: B
Parker: B
Padgett: B-
Faust: B-/C+
Pankey: C+
Weijs: C
Auslander: C
Grades
Turgeon – A (I did not expect this team w/ all it’s depletions and dependent on one scorer to be 10-3)
Stoglin – A (Sure he isn’t a point guard, sure he makes bad decisions and controls the ball too long sometimes, but he was the difference, esp w/ clutch shots in much worse record and being 10-3. i have to giv ethe man props)
Len – A- (He’s still learning but a consistent double double threat he looks to be and has completely transformed the team to one trying to scrape by Radford, to one disappointed to only beat Cornell by 8)
Pe’shon – B (Has elevated the offense)
Mosely – B- (Great glue guy. I think he could step up on offense more though)
Padgett – B (Scrappy hustler. Good rebounder. Has been the difference down low in several games B.L. (Before Len))
Parker – C (Flashes of Good stuff. Not a bad 9th man…)
Pankey – C (Flashes but not consistent)
Faust – D (Maybe the expectations were too high. Too many ill advised shots that kill our offense. Defense nto bad either
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
Faust....
needs to see fewer minutes…….is it me, or does his shot not look so good right now? either way, I agree with most the grades above, but would love to see Padgett in the game down the stretch instead of Faust. I love Faust and think he’ll be a great Terp, but he just isn’t ready yet……and if you don’t agree, this kid is suppose to be a 3 point specialist, and I don’t know how many airball to barely hit anything wide open three’s I’ve seen this kid take……they need to just ease him in, and give those 20+ minutes to someone like Padge. We got shooters and players who don’t mind chucking the ball up, what we need is consistent big men play from someone other then Len.
I'm willing to give Faust some slack.
He came in here expecting to play the wing (2 or 3), and winds up playing the 1. As a team player he did as well as he could, and didn’t complain about it. Since he’s been back at his normal position (after Pe’s return), he’s been inconsistent. I could argue that his 3-pointers kept Samford at bay in the second half. His line in that game of 13 pts (3-of-4 on 3-pointers), 4 assists and 1 TO is pretty damn good.
I would certainly like to see greater consistency, but for now, I’m willing to cut him some slack.
Some Faust stats through 13 games (bear in mind he's a freshman):
1) Leads the team in spg
2) Second in apg
3) Leads team in assists-to-turnover ratio @1.3:1
He clearly has not let his lackluster shooting (.311 fg%, .545 ft%, .205 3p%), and the fact that he played out of position for the first 9 games, negatively impact the rest of his game.
I agree curterp
I made some of the same notes about Nick responding to a comment above before I got down the page to this.
Pe'shon....
Is great, I love him, and he makes this team more dynamic……but can he NOT drive to the hoop or something??? all night when the shot clock was dwindling down, or our offense looked like it needed a play maker, Pe’shon was no where to be found, and I thought he was going to be that guy who could make plays off the dribble and take it to the rim or draw the double and find the open man for a sweet assist…….didn’t see any of that last night. It’s a shame because Terrell is so quick and good at getting to the rim and drawing the double, but instead of dishing it to the wide open player for an easy deuce, he try’s to shoot it over two guys……I wish we would combine Pe and Terrell into one player, who would have Pe’s mind set, but Terrell’s skills.
lol
this is great. Imagine if we had two of those Pe/Stoglin hybrids as our two guards.
by nathan.w.ford on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Team B+ (not sure how may had Terps at 10-3 right now with injuries and suspensions
Turgeon: A (great job considering the circumstances)
Stoglin: A (great job as scorer and hitting clutch shots)
Len: A (has contributed more than expected)
Howard: B (good job running the offense but still expect more of him)
Mosley: B (the glue to the team but needs to score more like he did against Cornell)
Parker: C (didn’t know what to expect but has played better than I thought)
Padgett: B- (has been a great contributor down low earlier before Len came back)
Faust: D (probably the most disppointing Terp so far even though he was PG for a bit)
Pankey: B (hope he continues to provide rebounding and D going into ACC play))
Weijs: C (hasn’t done much, just average)
Auslander: B (for a walk on has played pretty good all things conisdered)
Thomas: B (for a walk on has done well to hit jumpers and not hurt us while in game).
team B- [they have stretches of just blah... they still need to care more, but they do get the W's]
Turgeon: B+ [think they would be more effective at a zone with parker or faust up top]
Stoglin: A- [wow]
Howard: B [forces just a tad much & hasn’t looked to shoot a lot]
Len: A [just needs to start dunking on people all the time]
Mosley: C+ [this is his biggest chance to make it happen]
Parker: B [adapting really well. now let’s see some offense]
Pankey: B [just what i expected, needs to be included in offense]
Padgett: C+ [just what i expected, his defensive intensity is terrrrrible]
Faust: B+ [for total game, D for shooting]
Weijs: C+ [doing ok when he gets minutes]
Faust
I give him a B for his play and an A+ for his attitude. Playing out of position and thrown into a tough situaiton as a true freshman he has been playing hard and not complaining.
I think we cannot adequately grade him until he has had a chance to focus on the strengths of his game instead of focusing/practicing on running an offense. I think that he will be one of those guys that is really playing well come ACC tournament time.
I agree with what you're saying about Faust
But, last night was a chance for him to focus on his strengths, and he wasn’t getting it done. Obviously, I wouldn’t want to be graded solely on one paper, or one test though.
I think
Faust needs some time to adjust to playing his natural position. For most of the year he has been practicing playing the PG position and handling the ball instead of playing off the ball. He needs to get used to the flow of the offense from the wing instead of from the point position.
If he is still struggling during late ACC play than I would tend to agree that he is underperforming expectations but he really needs time to adjust and focus on playing on the wing. I would imagine that as he is able to focus more on scoring that his shot and shooting percentages will improve.
Fair enough
I think expectations for Faust may have been a little oversized by a lot of people (myself included.)
This is fun
Team: B+
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A-
Howard: B (incomplete)
Len: A- (incomplete)
Mosely: B+
Parker: C
Pankey: B-
Padgett: B
Faust: C
Weijs: B-
I think you have pretty much almost exactly
nailed my ratings.
Although I could be persuaded to bump Len or Stoglin to an A.
They got the minuses for a couple of things
Stoglin got his because I think he still has room for improvement. What’s he’s done has been great, but I think I want a bit more passing and defense out of him.
Len got his just because I think he needs to be a bit more physical down low. And I fully expect that to come with time.
I'm going to tally the averages around 1:00 est
I need help from the teachers out there, or anyone that remembers.
What’s the point values I should assign for the grades? A+, A, A-, B+, etc.
Point Values
A+ = Dixon GPA
B= Hayes GPA
C= J. Williams GPA
D= Gilchrist GPA
E= Scheyer GPA
F- = Yow GPA
Dittos
Damn – you went and stole my post!
100% agree
by King of France on Jan 4, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nowadays it varies
Up to you. My suggestion would be something like A+ = 4.2, A = 4.0, A- = 3.8; B+ = 3.2, B = 3.0, B- = 2.8. But there are a million different ways to do it. I know we have some teachers on here, I’m sure they have their own thoughts on it.
Don't get their thoughts Ben
They’ve forgotten what a bell curve is…They’d just give out A’s to everybody….
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
From what I would assigned based on what I remember (and it's been a while)
A= 4.0 A- = 3.7 B+ = 3.3
B= 3.0 B- = 2.7 C+ = 2.3
C=2.0 C-=1.7 D+ = 1.3
D=1.0 D- = .6
and F=0
I’ve never seen an A+ given out in college…correct me if I’m wrong…but I think anyone who gave out an A+ should be banned for life from this board…..A+ is perfection (and I don’t know anyone on Maryland Bball who deserves that great of an honor).
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 4, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
This scale looks better than Ben's
Yes, I am a teacher, but we don’t have /- scales that go into the GPA where I teach. But an A is 4-3.5
B is 3.49-2.5
C is 2.49-1.5
D is 1.49-.5
E/F is 0-.5 (Don’t think you can get an F either, so I think it’s reasonable to put F as a 0)
So based on that scale, the +/- values that TurtleShel716 look pretty good/reasonable to me.
i give myself A+
I have worn lucky shirt and hat for all games, never fouled out . No turnovers . No missed fg or ft . I am on fire boys!
by valleyterp on Jan 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The grades are in!
So here’s my calculations as of 2:04 est:
I used TurtleShel716’s grading scale since it seemed to reflect what I remember at UMD.
A= 4.0 A- = 3.7 B+ = 3.3
B= 3.0 B- = 2.7 C+ = 2.3
C=2.0 C-=1.7 D+ = 1.3
D=1.0 D- = .6
and F=0
Team: 3.09…B
Coach Turgeon: 3.8666 (6 repeating, of course)…A
Stoglin: 3.59…A-
Howard: 3.04…B
Len: 3.68…A-
Mosely: 2.94…B
Parker: 2.37…C+
Pankey: 2.68…B-
Padgett: 2.81…B-
Faust: 1.87…C (C’s for degrees!)
Weijs: 1.6666666666666666666…C-
Auslander (teacher’s pet)
Only doing scholarship players.
Glad this took me over an hour and I could do it on business time. I’m much more productive on Testudo Times at work than I ever am at home.
by NAmstrong on Jan 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
If we get more posts, I can add them to the totals
Would be great to do this again at the end of the season and compare to the ‘mid-term’ grades.
My pleasure
I do a lot of data entry at my current job. Figured I should spend time collecting data on stuff I care about for once.
Also, a couple of notes. Obviously, this is a very tiny sample size. We only had 16 people give grades. But I think it’s cool to sort of quantify how the fan base is feeling about the players, coach, and team.
by NAmstrong on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Team A+
Team: B+
Turgeon: A
Stoglin: A+
Howard: A+
Len: A+
Mosely: A+
Parker: A+
Pankey: A+
Padgett: A+
Faust: A+
Weijs: A+
Ignore the 2nd Team rating
I C&P’ed it and forgot to delete it.
We're 10-3
That’s 3 wins more than I predicted entering ACC play and basketball is a team effort.
OH just Brilliant, Oriolekid!
you just ruined the curve! now what are we going to do!?¿
Grades v. cupcakes don't mean much.
Let’s see how MD does @ NCSt this weekend – an away game v. a decent opponant.
Can we add snarky comments like on high school report cards
“Nick Faust’s shooting has hit rock bottom…but is beginning to dig”
“Mychal Parker is a good enough athlete to win a gold medal, but he’s so dumb he’d get it bronzed”
“Time will pass, but Stoglin won’t”
Faust getting bum deal
Turg – A (Haven’t lost a game we should have won yet)
Mosley – B (Still disappears sometimes)
Stoglin – B (Seems to actually care about defense since PH is back)
Howard – B (Needs to knock down open jumpers)
Padgett – C (Hands and feet of stone)
Len – A (Everything he was billed to be)
Pankey – C (Disappears)
Parker – B – (Gaining confidence and it shows)
Faust – B – (Shooting is not where it should be but if he bolts when GW retires we are
3-10 instead of 10-3)
Team total – B – I expected them to lose some of the cupcake games so I am pleasantly surprised.
Interesting perspective, Music...
I hadn’t thought about it that way before. Think of how many games we’d have played with 6 scholarship players, and how close those games were.
or where we would be if hawk didn't leave.
him alone would’ve made a huge difference.
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