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On Maryland's Post-Feeding Problem

Our friends over at Rush the Court published an interesting piece a few days ago, just before the Duke game, on Maryland's failure (or unwillingness) to get the ball inside on a consistent basis. It's not something that's new to any Maryland fan, but it's always god to get some statistical backup for what our eyes are telling us. They took a look at the number of field goals attempted (and FGA minus offensive rebounds, which is valuable when considering someone like James Padgett) among the ACC's major frontcourt players, and ranked them on those measures. As you might expect, Maryland's three primary big men are all at the bottom of the totem pole.

It's an interesting topic and worthy of more thought, particularly after the Duke game on Wednesday night. The Terrapins had success, particularly in the first half, in getting the ball into the interior and attacking the rim, and their inability to replicate that in the second was a big reason for their offensive slowdown.

Let's update RTC's numbers to be accurate through today, while also adding a rough attempt at a tempo-free margin and a few other notables: (all numbers are per game)

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This is only a sampling of a few players, mind you; if you want to see all of the players, which includes a few combos and a few guys at the bottom of the playing time spectrum not included here, you can check them out in this here Google Doc.

These are hardly perfect measures, mind you; in fact, they're exceedingly imperfect. Do you include combos or face-up fours, like C.J. Leslie or Milton Jennings? How do you account for putback opportunities without robbing players of shot attempts (given that not all offensive rebounds result in shots, even if most do)? I'm not sure. I counted, in the end, players who play the 4 the majority of the time for their team, even if they don't play like traditional 4s; and subtracted offensive rebounds from shot totals, which might rob James Padgett of a half-attempt a game, but is necessary to try to equalize things. When you try to measure this sort of thing, though, without advanced shot data, you do the best can.

Anyway, point here is: Maryland really doesn't look to its post players. Like, at all. In fact, let's attempt to quantify it even more, adding up the totals and seeing which teams as a whole look to the post the most.

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Now, again, I couldn't count every player, and so to be fair cut it off at 15 minutes. That shouldn't have a serious impact, though, as you reach a point of diminishing returns in regards to people playing about 8 or 10 a game. (You'll notice that the two teams at the top of the chart have two players who pretty easily qualify as 'tweeners in C.J. Leslie and Travis McKie; I counted both. Taking them away would obviously drop their teams.)

The verdict: aside from Virginia Tech, which has only two true post players averaging 15 minutes a game, Maryland gets the ball to its big men less than anyone in the conference. (And VT's third big man, Cadarian Raines, averages literally 14.9 mpg; if he were included, VT would be above Maryland, even if you wanted to include Berend Weijs with the Terrapins at 12mpg.)

And, as RTC points out, it isn't as though Maryland's big men are entirely ineffective. Statistically, their offensive efficiency ratings are quite high; Padgett's is still the second on the team behind Terrell Stoglin, and Ashton Pankey's is quite high as well. Alex Len is still developing, of course, but he rarely takes bad shots - his true shooting percentage is the best on the team. They're all imperfect - Padgett is a black hole, Pankey often drifts and is sometimes invisible, and Len is extraordinarily raw - but with Maryland's offense struggling at the rate it is, aren't they worth more of a look?

Look at the Duke game as a great example. Bob Knight remarked several times how well Maryland was attacking the rim, and he was right: they were going right at Duke and getting high-percentage shots as a result. Sometimes they dumped it down to Padgett or Pankey and let them work, but more often it was the perimeter players penetrating into the lane. Pe'Shon Howard was great at this, getting past his man more or less at will and then dumping it off for easy dunks or lay-ins. Terrell Stoglin did it as well, and even Nick Faust showed his ability to blow by a man.

In the first half of the game, Pankey, Padgett, and Weijs combined for 11 shots and 6 free throw attempts. Maryland scored 34. In the second, the three plus Len accounted for only 5 shots and 4 free throw attempts. And, you guessed it: point total dropped to 27. The problem wasn't turnovers - they stayed constant - or offensive rebounds - Maryland actually had more in the second half. It was FG%, and that was a direct result of getting lower-percentage shots from guys like Stoglin and Faust instead of those easy dunks. This isn't to say Maryland just decided to abandon a successful strategy; to be sure, Duke's guards woke up a bit and tried to cut off penetration, but you would've liked to have seen a more concerted effort from Maryland to get looks inside, instead of Stoglin and Faust settling for outside jumpers.

There was a similar phenomenon against Temple, the best three-point defense team in the country. Maryland's four big men accounted for six total attempts in that game, and not a single free throw. Obviously the fact that Weijs and Len combined for only 10 minutes hurts in that regard, but it's significant regardless. Shooting 16 treys against a team defending them at about 25% on the season isn't going to win you many games.

Obviously it's much easier to advocate something like this than carry it out. Teams like Temple and Duke are talented and well-coached, and aren't likely to bend to an opposition's will. And, as I've said, all of Maryland's post players have big holes in their game. It's not likely that you can dump the ball down to Padgett on a regular basis, because there's still like a 30% chance he travels and a solid 90% chance you'll never see the ball again. The same is true for Pankey, who seems to come and go, and even Len, who can't even hold onto the ball anymore.

But natural-born slashers like Howard and Faust can at least look to exploit the defense and get their big men some easy throwdowns. And it isn't as though we haven't seen any offensive development out of guys like Padgett and Pankey; both have dropped 15+ at least once this year. That's enough for me to feel comfortable giving them a touch down low every few possessions. And, of course, there's Len, who remember looked fantastic in his first few games. That form has disappeared lately, but it isn't gone from him entirely.

Maryland's offense is still a largely inefficient unit that's overly reliant on Terrell Stoglin. More post touches might not fix that entirely, but it's likely worth a look to try at least to mitigate the problem.

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I’m a big fan of statistical analysis in sports, and it’s always great when the subjective observations match the reality.

On the other hand, simple stats can hide things. Padge’s conference-leading offensive rebounding for example. He only has that many offensive rebounds because he’s grabbing his own misses! -sometimes multiple times per possession. Most big men make the layups that he misses over and over.

by discuit on Jan 27, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Without question, this team needs to do more of what they did in the first half against puke

However, here is how I see it. When a team decided to take that away defensively, such as I’m sure coach K decided to do at halftime, we don’t have anybody that we can lob the ball to and tell to go to work. Padgett is the closest thing we have to that, and that really is not that great of an option. Should the guards still do it from time to time? Absolutely. But my point is this: without a bonefied low post threat, the guards just aren’t going to toss the ball into the post with much frequency. In other words, if this team still had Jordan, I guarantee you that our percentage wouldybe much higher than second to last in the acc.

by T Free on Jan 27, 2012 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Excellent Post Ben.

above and beyond the call of duty. The whole hands thing – Len looks like he has great hands but then several passes seem to go right through them. Padge has shaky hands at best. Pankey the same. Weijs seems the shakiest of them all.

What drills, preparation, work can be done to improve that element of the game – catching the ball in the post? JW had excellent hands and even he bobbled some passes. I’m not asking about finishing or dumping off to an open man once the ball is caught. I mean just catching the ball confidently and effectively? Clearly some part of it is bad (or to be technical “wtf?” passing). Is it something that can be improved dramatically over the course of a season on a team basis or over an offseason on an individual basis? I recall hassan fofana who had size, was mobile, but could not hold onto the ball (much less shoot it) to save his life.

If one can improve their FT% through repetitive shooting, couldn’t they train their hands to catch better? I never played competitive BB so I am asking out of ignorance.

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by HughGR on Jan 27, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not a coach or a basketball guru

But I imagine that hands, while difficult, are certainly something that can be developed. There are two real aspects, you’d think – strength (so the ball doesn’t get knocked out) and softness (the ability to cleanly catch a ball). You can definitely improve strength and I imagine they’ve been doing that since he’s gotten on campus. Some guys, like Jordan and from everything I’ve heard/seen Shaq, just have soft hands and some (Padge) don’t, but a big part of that is hand-eye coordination and that can definitely be improved as well. You see drills being done all the time trying to react to and catch a tennis ball (or a ball about that size). It’s just a matter of finding the right drill and doing it enough.

by Ben Broman on Jan 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It also seems like

Whenever a big man sets a screen, the guards cannot hit him on a slip or a roll. I hope that Howard’s newly found willingness to shoot gets defenders to guard him closer so he drop a dime off a pick and roll.

by musicturtle on Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

That problem is two fold though

half the time the bigs aren’t looking for the ball off the pick and roll, and the other half the guards aren’t looking for it.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 27, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys like JJ Reddick (Duke) and Greg Manning (MD)

make the inside game a lot simpler to establish. MD needs a reliable outside threat,
and then everything will fall into place.

by nonstopjoe on Jan 27, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

But we have Stogs - doesn't he qualify?

Or do we another outside threat as well (which would be nice)?

by HughGR on Jan 27, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Stoglin qualifies as a reliable outside threat.

Though I’m guessing you mean a pure catch-and-shoot sniper. I would like to add one of those as well.

by Ben Broman on Jan 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

need more than one

duke game aside, stogs normally has more 3’s than the other players combined.

by Ttown Funkster on Jan 27, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Reddick and Manning were superior outside shooters -

catch, shoot, swish. That type of threat clears out the middle in a way Stoglin can’t (doesn’t).

by nonstopjoe on Jan 27, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they're different types of players, but Stoglin is a superior outside shooter in his own right

The dude is third in the ACC in 3pt shooting percentage at 40%. If you’re saying he’s inferior to Redick, well, yeah, basically everyone is. If you’re saying he’s just plain not a great three-point shooter, well, no, he’s outstanding. If you’re saying he’s not a traditional one-dimensional catch-and-shoot sniper, I agree with you and think the team would be better served with one on the roster.

by Ben Broman on Jan 27, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

our D on Duke's bigs

sorry if this found another thread but I love that our players didn’t collapse on their bigs and leave open 3’s. if we hit our FT’s, grab a few more defensive boards, and a couple calls go our way we have that game. sure, the one plumlee killed us but better than their guards nailing 3’s. I will assume that was the game plan and it gave us a chance to win. good job turge.

by Ttown Funkster on Jan 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Generally, when Duke goes 3-16 on 3-point shooting it'll lead to a loss.

However, MD’s inside defense was inadequate due to talent differential – allowing Duke to more than compensate. With a year of experience and the addition of Cleare, 2012-13 should see better results.

by nonstopjoe on Jan 27, 2012 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

Alex Len to come off bench possibly

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-alex-len-may-come-off-bench-20120127,0,7218870.story

I think this is a great move by Turgeon (in the sense of giving Len confidence)…..however, I don’t know if I would announce that before the game….If I was coach I would try and screw with the other team who probably think Alex is starting. So they prepare for him starting and then WHAM…

….he’s not starting and they are all surprised and thinking….holy shit…..this team is good enough to have a 7 footer come off the bench….we’re screwed…..IDK…I would think the mind games would be fun as a coach. It’s also Friday night so I’m probably rambling a little..

……but I like this idea by Turgeon. It worked for a while during Duke w/o Len.

"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach

by TurtleShel716 on Jan 27, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

padgett does well when he’s being guarded by someone his size or smaller. whenever padgett and panky play against guys their size and bigger they don’t play well on a consistent basis.

by fkterp on Jan 27, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Ben,

I noticed that they don’t throw the ball inside very much. Apart from Howard driving, the posts rarely touch the ball in the offense. But I think it’s the coaches’ fault more than it is the players’. They don’t call enough plays for the post. When Maryland started to come back in the Temple game, it was because they went inside to James. I think the other problem is there are not enough plays for the post men. All of their points have to come on post moves. In GW’s offense, Jordan got so many points off basic plays where he would come off a post screen and catch the ball in the paint with his defender trailing, and have an easy layup. Turgeon was spoiled by being able to throw the ball to Bryan Davis and David Lobeau at A&M. He needs to have some quick hitters for the post men instead of forcing them to go one on one all the time. And the guards are more likely to throw the ball inside when it’s a called play.

by jdwall12 on Jan 28, 2012 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

Can't wait for Alex to develop a nice hook shot

Just like Bill Russell (yes, I’m old enough to remember his Celtic playing days), Len would be unstoppable and become our main inside threat. That would open up the outside for Stogs, Faust and Layman next year.

by Snappin Terp on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

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