First Look at Maryland-Virginia Tech: Terps Try to Stop Losing Streak Against Hokies
You know what sucks? Losing streaks. You know what also sucks? Being sub-.500 in the conference. Maryland, after their loss to Duke last night, knows both.
Good news: so does their next opponent, Virginia Tech. The Hokies have dropped five of their last six and stand at 1-4 in the ACC, a worse mark than Boston College. Hosting VPI is about the best tonic Maryland could've wished for in this trying time, especially with a road trip to Miami and a game against North Carolina right around the corner.
Which isn't to say they'll be an easy win. Tech is one of those ACC teams that just doesn't make any sense. (I feel like Maryland is the only ACC school dedicated to consistency anymore.) Expected to be one of the conference's better units, they had a so-so out-of-conference showing, notching only two semi-impressive wins - both against Oklahoma State, weirdly enough. But that was vastly preferable to their ACC start: they dropped their first four games in the season, two against teams they definitely should've beaten (Wake Forest and Boston College, for God's sake) and two that were more understandable (Florida State and North Carolina). They were never truly embarrassed in any of those games - all were by three or less save for the 14-pointer to UNC, which isn't that bad - but that didn't stop anyone from writing them off.
So then they turn around, go to Virginia, and beat the two-loss, #17 Cavs in their own building. (And no, neither team scored 50. Why do you ask?) Is it too much to ask for an ACC where the bad teams are bad and the good teams are good? Gah.
Anyway, Tech returned to the hardwood action last night, hosting BYU. And, much like their previous four losses, it was a close one that they easily could've one but dropped in the end, only a Brock Zylstra three-pointer away from a win. So ... yeah, I'm not sure.
One thing I do know for sure: no more Malcolm Delaney. Everybody dance now.
Oh, wait, Erick Green is still there. Darn. Almost.
Anyway, yeah, Seth Greenberg lost the engine to all of his previous teams, the Baltimore-bred combo who was admittedly pretty fantastic at this level. (Cue Terrell Stoglin comparisons.) The big question at the beginning of the season, then, was who could replace the guy who basically was Virginia Tech basketball for the past four years.
The answer, of course, was "no one person in particular." But the biggest role? That went to Green, basically Public Enemy #1 after his randomly awesome performances against Maryland last year. I'm sure you remember him, the anonymous sophomore role player who exploded for 24 and 20 points, respectively, in his two games against Maryland last season. Green, now a junior, is now the most important cog on the team, both the lead guard (3.1 assists per game) and the leading scorer at about 16 per game. He couldn't play against Boston College due to injury, which was a huge reason Tech lost that game.
The supporting cast is probably better than anything Delaney ever had in Blacksburg (although his chucker tendencies made that hard to judge), though still far short of most elite teams. (Not Maryland, though!) Dorenzo Hudson never really took that final year leap they needed out of him at the 2 spot, averaging about 12 points a game - which is nice, but still down from his 15 a game in his junior year. And there's still plenty of talent elsewhere, especially in the form of former five-star Dorian Finney-Smith, whom you'll recall Maryland wanted badly; but DFS has played more of a bit part, averaging 6 points and 7 boards in nearly 30 minutes a game.
Seth Greenberg has the team working its hardest on the defensive end, with the 10th-best defensive eFG% in the country, second in the ACC behind Florida State. Even scarier: they're the best team in the country at defending the three, with teams hitting only about 25% from deep against them. That's crazy good, and Maryland will again need to look to get inside. Tech lacks a true enforcer in the middle and should be vulnerable to penetration or post play - at least, a lot more vulnerable than from outside, where literally no one is statistically better. (Nick Faust, your time to shine.)
The good news is that the rest of their defense isn't FSU-like. They don't force many turnovers at all, nor do they rebound particularly well, a function of their lack of size. DFS is a great rebounder, long and athletic, but he lacks strength and gets outmuscled; Victor Davila and Cadarian Raines, the only other two with size, are each averaging less than four boards a game. James Padgett needs to have a big garbage game.
Offensively, they rely a lot on Green, one of the most efficient players in the conference. Hudson is easily the second option, and after that they look to DFS, Davila, Robert Brown (a freshman 2-guard) and Jarrell Eddie, a sophomore three. Green can get his points from basically anywhere; the others are a bit more specialized. Hudson isn't a good shooter and is more of a pure slasher; Finney-Smith has been a bit of a garbage man; Brown takes about four threes a game (making only one) but will get most of his points off the bounce. But Eddie is the one who scares me the most, behind only Green. A long 6-7 sophomore, Eddie is hitting 49% of his threes this season. He's selective with them - only about three a game - but if he gets an open look there's a very good chance it's going down.
They're really not a particularly great offensive team. The goal is to get 1 point per possession; VT hasn't done that in a month (though they came close against UNC). They're passable when the defense is really ticking, but not fantastic. The biggest worry probably comes from the three - this isn't a team with quality interior depth, and guys like Green and Eddie can heat up fast from outside.
As with every team that has such disparate results, it's a fair question to ask what changed from when Tech was losing to Wake/BC and then winning against Virginia. Green's presence had a fair amount to do with the loss to BC, if you're wondering, but the other big answer: defense. Teams like Wake, FSU, BC, and BYU have been right at about a point per possession, which was good enough to beat Tech's more stagnant attack. Their offense was basically as good (or, rather, poor) against Virginia as it was in the other five losses; the difference was the defense clamping down the Cavs uber-efficient offense more than anyone else has done all season. Yes, UVA's offensive efficiency was at its lowest all season in the game against VT. They shot, incredibly, 1-14 from deep. For a team that relies so heavily on slow pace and precise execution, it's impossible to win with that number. They were even able to keep Mike Scott more or less in check. Let that be a lesson to you of what VT can do to even the most efficient of offenses.
Maryland, in response, needs to know that it has to go inside. If they play offensively like they did in the second half against Duke, they won't be in the game. They need their bigs to step up with strong offensive showings, because they're there to be had against VPI, and the guards need to constantly look to get inside and to the rim. The Hokies have the worst defensive FT rate in the ACC - that is, they foul a lot. We've seen how Maryland can struggle from the line, but that might be their best chance at this one, especially if the guys going to the line are more of the Terrell Stoglin, Ashton Pankey, Sean Mosley mold and less of the Nick Faust, James Padgett mold. (And I love those last two, but god do they have ugly FT strokes.)
More coming throughout the week. For now, I actually kinda like Maryland's chances, so long as they don't try to get cutesy on the perimeter.
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Crowd Saturday
Last night when Gary said “you guys won a lot of games for us over the year” — he wasn’t exaggerating. It’s so important for us to keep up momentum this weekend and not have a dead building. Obviously it won’t be a Duke atmosphere, but we need to fill Comcast and get our guys through this game. A letdown from Duke is almost inevitable but we can help it by being loud on Saturday.
The return of Robert Ehsan
I hope no one actually yells “Sucks!” after they announce him. . . I liked him a lot.
Agree.
I hope the students are smart enough to cheer for him. Who knows, he could be Turge’s eventual replacement…
@kckb8 ... #getatme
Rob was who I thought would get the job
Heck of a recruiter, kids can relate to him because he’s only a few years removed from where they are. He will be a head coach very soon
Wait, you thought that the University of Maryland would hire Rob as its new head coach to replace Gary? Talk about setting a kid up for failure.
Speaking of failure
Look at the condition in which Mark Turgeon left the program at Texas A&M in and compare that to the condition the program was in when he got the job.
the program was fairly solid
BG had a solid set of recruits coming in. Actually, Turge had to combat those that said all he was doing was winning with BG’s kids.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 28, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
All he did was win with Gillespie's kids
Gillespie left Turgeon with one of the most talented teams in the country and they underachieved. 8-8 in the Big 12. Josh Carter, Joseph Jones, DeAndre Jordan, Donald Sloan. Jr. Elonu, all of those guys are NBA caliber guys. And those are just the guys I can name off the top of my head. Turgeon won with Gillespie’s kids. The last class that Gillespie signed graduated on 2011. Holmes, Walkup, etc. I’m not sold on Turgeon after watching what he actually did with talent at A&M.
Skepticism can be healthy, it's good to have someone keep us honest.
But seeing as how Turge has done a great job so far with a young and depleted/injured roster, I can’t wait to see what he does when this group matures and the reinforcements arrive over the next few years. If Turge was a stock, I’d be buying, and I’d be happy that guys like you are out here being skeptical…it would allow me the time to gather up even more money to buy stock with, before he blows up. lol.
by 1 proud terp on Jan 29, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a Turgeon fan
I was a big GW fan. I think he underachieves. Let’s see what he does when he gets talent to College Park
I love Ehsan
as much as the next guy. But can you imagine how much worse off we’d be right now with him? I think we’d have 8-9 wins at best.
We're all entitled to think what we'd like about things
but it’s pure conjecture. And imho, the odds of you being incorrect would have been pretty high.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 28, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I could say the same to you
The difference between my opinion on the matter and your opinion on the matter is that I’ve actually seen Turgeon and Ehsan coach over the past 5 years. I’ve been watching Turgeon’s teams and hearing about Turgeon since he was at Wichita State. The guy is not the great coach everybody is making him out to be. The people at A&M will tell you the same thing
Ok, I know I said it would take me a long time to get over the duke game
but, I lied, I’m over it. Time to focus my hate on Gerber Baby Greenberg! Behind Ratface, easily second most despised HC in the ACC.
F Tech.
ughhhh - Brooklyn man....

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 26, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm SO gonna turn that picture into a meme
by db0255 on Jan 26, 2012 7:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I support this motion
I want more Angry Turgeon.
by Ben Broman on Jan 26, 2012 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
okay
I’ve been fishing after watching his double fists and stomach level punches during the game – I can’t get enough of Turge! Here’s a few good ones:




Turge – break into In Living Colour Chorus: “I Ain’t No Glamour Boy…I’m Fierce!”

Dustin – Turge “Clone”


ummmmmm….yummmmm….


"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
btw
why didn’t a student snag that Duke poster and tear it up?
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
For real...
Or at least “accidentally” spill a drink all over it. And the guy holding it.
@kckb8 ... #getatme
do it!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
If our on-ball and perimeter defense is as good
as last night – shutting down the vaunted Puke guards, we’ll take care of Green and the Hokies…btw…what the f is a hokie?
its an old old wooden ship from the civil war era
by Maryland1206 on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, a hokie is rooster trained bred for fighting
The ships were named after the cocks (as in male chickens). Yes, this is the University that gave us Michael Vick. cockfighting. let the crassness begin….
Explaining this
really makes me regret my original screen name.
This game shows who the Terps truly are
I think if we can beat Va Tech, we are the middle of the pack ACC team…Lose to Tech and we are in the bottom 4 with BC,GT,WAKE….This game seperates one or the other.
Very true...
… this is now one of those teams we shouldn’t LOSE too. IMHO, it’d be our first really bad loss if we dont win it.
Anyone else
find it ironic that Seth and Erick Green look like they are dancing in that picture? Dancing at VT…yeah right coach!!!
he was suspended for 2 games so he should be out
by Maryland1206 on Jan 26, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
that would be Temple and Duke then.. so he should be fine
by Maryland1206 on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
oh yea I mean out of purgatory you thought I mean out as in out of the game
I really need to word things better
by Maryland1206 on Jan 26, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you meant
Has there been any kind of announcement as to what is ultimately going on with the Hill situation? Mandatory rehab, etc.?
Picture is so disturbing
Lets go out and bag us some turkey..
*All Terp Everything*
by asianterp on Jan 26, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app reply actions
if season ended today would we even be an nit team
by proudterp on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Programming Note Ya'll
They are airing the ’02 Natty Game tonight at 7:00 on MASN
Felt like I needed a game thread on it.
I was getting into it, as if I forgot how it ended, haha. Great memories, that was a hell of a team. Mouton doesn’t get nearly enough credit for his role on that team.
by 1 proud terp on Jan 26, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the '03 UNCWilm Drew buzzer beater
a few weeks ago and had chills down my spine
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, saw that too.
With a frosh Gilchrist coming in for Blake when another set of bad refs put him into foul trouble. Drew’s shot was sooooo pure. UNCW thought they had us, hahaha.
by 1 proud terp on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Didnt read it but I do have this to say. Duke sucks, their students are overrated and a not funny or origanal joke
F**k ’em
by Maryland1206 on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.
It’s posts like this which make Duke fans hate us. I know you don’t care, but the basketball knowledgeable fan at Duke, thinks you throw batteries, bottles, get belligerent, and start riots with the only words in your vocabulary being “Fuck Dook”…come on man.
The ACC Network… varies a lot. Locally on Fox 5, online at theacc.com, ACC territory television listings
such an important game
with a win here and @miami, all of a sudden were 4-3 in the acc
and then if we were to somehow, someway pull off an upset vs unc…
got to stop with this wishful thinking
Looking way ahead to UNC
We need to go straight at Kendall Marshall. Maybe start Stogs at the PG spot, force Marshall to guard him and get him in foul trouble. Stogs can beat him with ease, and they have no back up PG that would be able to handle any sort of pressure.
I think Gary and Turgeon might go in different directions (hypothetically) with- Stoglin @ point guard
Bottom line if we put Stoglin at point with Parker yes Parker at the wing and Mosely or Faust at the other wing than add Len and Padgett down low that is our best five in terms of quickness, steals, and rebounds and all. Particularly with both Parker and Faust playing together that would give us two players that have that perfect sized athletecism that you look for on the perimeter and in the open court. Also someone pointed out in the last post during the stretch we went cold he felt like Stoglin wasn’t getting the ball enough. The other thing is Parker is not getting enough minutes for the contibutions he is giving us…if you factor in minutes played he’s probably leading the team in rebounding. Peshon offensively is picking is doing better the last couple of games but still has this tendency to get caught in the air. He will get better like everyone else will but it is important to note the value in having more than one configuration or shall I say more than one combo guard able to lead the offense. The more versatility we have the better. We’ve got enough talent to most likely beat the teams we should beat but in order to steal some of these big games this team needs to devirsify it’s line-ups and find ways to aggresively be the ones that puts the other team in these second half droughts we’ve let ourselves go to.
Best lineup
I think you’re right. I like Parker and Faust at the 2 and 3 with Terrell at the point. And I also don’t think Turgeon is using Mike the right way. Run some plays for him, get him in the lane. He finishes well at the rim. He could be a 16 and 7 a night type guy with good minutes. Sean is playing well, but Mike definitely needs more minutes.
When compared to hiring Rob Eshan as head coach at the University of Maryland only 5 seasons after being a graduate assistant, this is an almost reasonable statement, so I will cut you some slack. But I just can’t imagine watching Maryland play with Sean on the court and watching Maryland play with him on the bench and coming out thinking that he shouldn’t start. I literally have no idea why one would think that.
There is nothing that Sean does better than Mike...
On a basketball court. Mike is a better defender, a better rebounder, a better shooter. Mike gets limited minutes and isn’t able to do much with the time that he gets. But every game there is a play or 2 where he shows flashes of what he can do. I didn’t think GW used Mike properly and I don’t think MT is using him properly either.
My apologies Sean Mosely
You are the man. Lol it’s like he heard someone bashing him. Wow. Dude really changed my view on him yesterday
just saw your comment earlier
great minds think alike
And BOOM goes the dynamite
one of my better shops if i say so myself….
by db0255 on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
funny rec'd
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
wheres the rest of the band...
“Bino’s out in the crowd getten some ‘hot’ #’s – I mean recruiting, and Hill went to get drin…. – I mean, bathroom…”
Didnt think this needed a FanPost but Stefon Diggs is making MD his last official visit
this could easily be just because we’re right down the road but atleast we’re getting one. He is supposed to be deciding Feb. 10. Saw this on twitter from Mike Farrel of Rivals
VT and Greenberg
Bad enough that Rat Face from Duke gnawed on the officials all night. Now Whiney Ass Greenberg comes to town. All this guy does is whine, cry, and complain about not being a part of the NCAA tourney; nevermind that he plays no one outside of the ACC. MD needs this win bad; but the big guys (what there are) need to step up.
Seth's Picture
Is it me or does it look like Seth and Green are about to do the waltz? We should send this to Tosh.O and let him do a gay rant.
by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 27, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions
Harrisons
Didn’t want to make a whole new FanPost, but the new rankings are out for Juniors too and Andrew stayed put at #4 on ESPN but Aaron made the jump from 8 to 6. Officially would be the best brother combo get ever

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