Len Injures Ankle as Temple Tops Maryland at the Palestra, 73-60
by Ben Broman on Jan 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST
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PrintTerrell Stoglin scored 20, but Alex Len had to leave the game with injury and Temple got a combined 40 points from Ramone Moore and Khalif Wyatt, as the Owls topped Maryland 73-60 at the Palestra.
Stoglin had an even game, with 10 points in both halves and a relatively efficient 6-13 performance from the field. Pe'Shon Howard pitched in 15 points in an up-and-down showing. Len left mid-way through the first half with an ankle injury and din't return, which hurt Maryland's frontcourt advantage. Wyatt, Moore, and Juan Fernandez accounted for 54 of Temple's 73 points, largely thanks to a combined 7-16 shooting performance from beyond-the-arc.
The first half was one of the sloppiest twenty minutes of basketball I've seen this year - and that's saying a lot, because I've watched every Maryland game. The Terrapins had as many turnovers as made field goals (10 on both counts); Temple, with 8 TOs of their own, wasn't much better. Maryland entered the half only down three at 32-29, largely thanks to 10 efficient points from Terrell Stoglin. The biggest story of the first half might actually have been Alex Len, who left the game midway through the first with an ankle injury and wouldn't return.
The Owls came out of the gates firing in the second half, scoring eight consecutive points to push their lead to 11. Maryland would fight to keep it close, and eventually was rewarded: a 9-0 run (part of a larger 16-5 stretch) would bring the Terrapins within one. Temple came back with a run of their own, scoring six unanswered to push the lead back up to seven. Maryland would make some shots down the stretch - including a few big threes - but Temple had an answer every time. In the end, the Terrapins just couldn't string together enough positive plays, and Temple held on for a 13-point victory that, frankly, wasn't quite indicative of how close this was at times.
This is a more frustrating loss than Maryland's had to suffer in the past. I'm not sure Temple was that much better in terms of roster talent than the Terrapins; the problems here were more in terms of execution than anything else. Perimeter defense. Free throw shooting. Rebounding - dear Juan, rebounding. Temple was the better team and deserved to win by a fair margin, but Maryland had their shots to win and never took them.
A few stats: Maryland shot 57% from the line. They turned the ball over 16 times. Temple shot 41% from three. And, most damningly of all, the Owls matched Maryland on the glass: the Terps had a small 28-27 advantage, but only because Temple took more shots. The Owls won the offensive glass, 8 to 7, despite being a mediocre-at-best rebounding team coming into the game.
The injury to Len hurt, sure. It hurt it a lot. But Maryland still probably had the better frontcourt, and never looked to utilize it. Temple's guards were too good to let them win the battle in the post, too.
I haven't seen word on how long Len will be out. If it's for any serious period of time, Maryland's frontcourt just took a huge blow. Things will probably be largely, or perhaps entirely, dependent on guard play, particularly Stoglin and Howard. But major changes will need to be made regardless of Len's status. We know that things have gone too far to expect much better free throw shooting. That's obvious. But turnovers need to cut down. There needs to be more offensive movement. (More on that in a minute.) And perimeter defense needs to continue to improve - rotation was sloppy against Temple, and letting snipers have space on the ball is a recipe for disaster.
No Terrapin looked truly good. We saw a lot of bright spots and a lot of negatives, almost right down the line. Look, for instance, at Pe'Shon Howard. We've been crying out for a secondary scorer, and today Howard came up big: he had a huge 15 points, many of them coming while Stoglin was on the bench in foul trouble. That was important, and a good sign.
But he failed at his perhaps more necessary point guard duties. Far too often he was the only player in a possession to touch the ball. He launched multiple unnecessary threes, one of which was a worse shot than anything we've seen out of Stoglin all year long. He had only a single assist (to two turnovers) and struggled to control the pace. That's what Maryland really needs out of its point guard right now, and it's where Howard has struggled.
I'm actually having some trouble figuring out what Mark Turgeon wants Howard's role to be. Is he supposed to be that secondary scorer? Or a true point guard? Because I think he can be one, or he can be the other, but I'm not sure he can be both. When Maryland looked for him to get points, he basically just looked like another Stoglin. Everyone's standing around and watching him. I can deal with that for one guy, but not two. If that's going to be him, then the Terrapins need to find another true point guard who can, in fact, control the pace and get the offense into its sets.
Stoglin was Stoglin - he looked very good most of the time and had some utterly boneheaded plays at others. I'm fine with that - he's good enough to do it, and Maryland relies upon his scoring ability. Nick Faust is a more interesting development - it looks like he's finally figured out that he's at his best off the dribble slashing toward the rim, and he actually does look great in that facet. But his free throw shooting is obviously still developing, and his stroke is still not good enough for him to make even open jumpers. Still, this was another step in the right direction for Nick.
Sean Mosley will be a point of contention. Offensively, he was awful. And I mean worse than we've seen before. He bricked a dunk, missed a few open layups, and finished the day 0-5 from the field. Then again, he also had 10 rebounds (sometimes the only guy on the floor to look active on the glass), with two steals and a charge or two. Mosley is who Mosley is - he's going to have the occasional big offensive day. But he won't do it regularly. What he will do regularly is play good defense and rebound, and he did do that again today.
And while we're on personnel, interesting side note: Berend Weijs didn't play in the second half. I don't know why.
Maryland had their cracks to win, but I don't think they deserved to win in any sense of the word. Temple did, even though I'm not sure the Owls are really that much better talent-wise. So it hurts, again. We knew this was going to be a tough year, and these are still building block games, but it's tougher to be optimistic in the face of tough losses like today and Tuesday night against Florida State. Improvement is still a key, and that's what you have to look for the rest of this season.
Things get much tougher this week, with the Duke on Wednesday. If things are going to get better, it'd be nice if it happened quickly.
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Aquille Carr and Patterson is playing on Comcast
if you’re in the DC area. Dude is quiiick.
I'm can't figure out
how basketball players who are talented enough to play top-level, D-1 ball, can collectively hit less than 6 of 10 from the line. Does anyone have an explanation?
If you're not naturally good at it
it comes down to practice. If you dedicate a solid 15 minutes to doing it every day, it’ll become muscle memory. Turge should force this on them, it’s the easiest and most efficient way of scoring points >.>
I remember one time couple of years back Hayes missed a free throw badly, called his dad up after the game, said something has to be wrong with his form, and got to work on it. He was already good at FTs (90% good), but he still took the time to make sure he was on top of his game; our players that brick every other FT should take a page out of his book.
I don't know and you can't blame Turgeon really
3,000 FT each practice seems like enough to me…
and some have gotten better:
Remember Padgett at the beginning of the year shooting FT’s and now he is decent (not great but not awful),
Faust has generally been a lot better (same as Padgett)(although he still has off nights like this one)
Mosley is most of the time money
Stoglin is most of the time money
Peshon isn’t bad
Parker has gotten better
I don’t know the explanation for it and I think this was a really bad night for FT shooting as well…but I have seen a little improvement in certain players. Some players no matter how good they get in other parts of the game just can’t shoot FT’s consistently (see Shaq as example)
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 21, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
We have one of the nations best #FT/#2PT
And i’m pretty sure its not cause we dont get enough field goals off. This means its even MORE imperative that we sink our free throws since more than almost any other team that will be a significant part of our offense.
by db0255 on Jan 21, 2012 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Parker looked good IMO making a bunch of smart decisions and a few good offensive plays and seems to grow each game..
Otherwise good post….
Also, even though he didn’t score a lot I thought Padgett did some good things and made some good offensive moves. Faust also wasn’t awful but wasn’t great either, same w?Peshon..
Stoglin was a beast..even though he took some poor shots we wouldn’t have been close w/o him.
Pankey looks like he’s completely lost any confidence he had starting the year and his defensive rotation is terrible..Mosely was bad as well today.
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
Parker is one of the bright spots of every game
Looking more comfortable, is shooting better, hustles for rebounds, and helps the team out in any way he can. I’d like to see him be more aggressive .
by tumi on Jan 21, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
Pankey’s lostness is due to the fact that he gets swung around from 4 now to the five and doesnt get as much playing time. He’ll get back into it.
by db0255 on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
whats the difference between 4 & 5- really?
He’s lost because he’s got marginal skill right now, and his greatest asset is strength. 4&5 both play on the block, post-up and rebound. Not a lot of difference. If you dont have an offensive game, it really doesnt matter
Pankey does look lost
Looks disinterested on offense and clueless on defense. His pick and roll defense is particularly bad and he got burned a couple times today.
I disagree on Stoglin. Today, although he hit a bunch of shots, he took way too many shots out of rhythm and he simply refused to play within the offense. It’s frustrating to watch knowing how good of an X’s and O’s coaching staff we have.
sloppy, sloppy sloppy
It was there for the taking. The TOs killed us again.
Perimeter defense need to be tighter.
The most promising thing I saw was how we ran a lot of half court sets. Opened up decent shots.
Losing Alex changed the style of play, but we adapted and tried to fight through it. Temple’s 3’s in the last 10 minutes were timely and costly.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
forget about this game guys
ITS DOOK WEEK
LETS GO
ugggggghhhhhhhh....... i'm so sick of dook week being the only thing we get excited for.
We might get a$$ raped in that game too. Can’t say I’m too excited for the game. I’m definitely cool with this being a rebuilding year. I’m definitely patient. But it doesn’t mean I have to like it at the same time.
Duke week hahaha!
Was at the game. Me thinks a game in Philly every year is a good idea a la a game in Bmore. Great sports town, great hoops tradition, fertile recruiting grounds exposure, great Terp fan base up here and willing to travel since its b/w home base and NY/NJ the other home base, Palestra almost had a Cole vibe in the 2nd half too!
Sweaty and cramped like Cole, for sure. But it’s an awesome building and I had a great time
by discuit on Jan 21, 2012 2:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Today was a perfect date
I went with some Jersey friends who were on their way down to CP to move back in tomorrow.
The crowd sounded like maybe 25% Terps
Thanks to all of you who went to cheer us on. Too bad there wasn’t more to yell about.
by Snappin Terp on Jan 21, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Moseley
Was an achilles heal today.
Stoglin was pissed off and looked ready to throw at the end . Wonder if losing 3x was too much for him… the game, Len and Dalonte.
I agree re: Mosley
Made some really stupid passes trying to get the ball inside and missed the breakaway dunk when he should have just laid it in.
This team is not getting better
It reflects poorly on the coaching of MT. He needs to show more especially with respect to defining players roles.
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 2:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I 100% disagree. This team has improved a ton....A bunch of players in particular have improved throughout the season
Players I could say that I’ve seen from the beginning of the year to now make significant improvements with respect to their roles:
Stoglin is making way better decisions than he did earlier and getting teammates involved but still carrying the scoring load
Parker has improved
Faust has improved
Padgett has improved
Mosely, Peshon, Weijs I am not sure are improving that much as the season goes along per se but they are still contributing within their roles which I think Turge has defined pretty well.
Pankey and Len I have seen not really improve but I think there are some other circumstances and Len still is a shot changer on defense and still learning the game.
They could play better defense at points but that is sometimes effort on the part of the players, I wouldn’t blame Turge for that. Sure he’s made some mistakes but I think generally he is moving the team in the right direction.
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 21, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nope...sorry
The TEAM is still not playing as a TEAM. Instead there are turnovers, bad passes, bad decisions, and more 1 on 1 than a street ball game.
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.....sorry
Right, because Turge can control everything about the players on his team:
He can stop Peshon, Stogs, Faust, etc. from making a bad pass or taking a bad shot
He can make the team hit their free throws
He can make them give effort on the defensive end
He can control if they work hard to get an open shot or if they settle for a bad shot
He can make them hustle harder to get rebounds, steals, play defense, etc.
Come on! At some point this falls on the talent and the will of the players, and I’ve seen improvement in certain players in respect to what Turgeon wants and they are helping us improve as a result of it. This is a young team, If you expected us to be at the top of the ACC and winning these types of games all the time you are expecting too much
But if you watch the games you’ll notice we’ve come a long way since the beginning of the year when we were squeaking by Radfords, to beign competitive with good teams where they have to go on shooting streaks to beat us (a la Fla St and Temple).
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 21, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like MD does not practice with basketballs.
All those things that you mention a good coach can improve, not control, but improve.
I’m not saying MT is a bad coach, he is just not coaching very well this year.
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would tend to agree
However for some reason I think its not his fault. He’s said this is the most depleted e’s seen a team. The players like him…he’s had results before and recruiting will get better.
I dont see much downside here!!!
by db0255 on Jan 21, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Coaches coach...
…it’s the players who need to execute. IMO, the players have shown they’ve been coached well, they just don’t execute consistently.
Not all Turges fault
You can blame him for team defense sucking that’s about it. He can’t press (not enough body’s) rebounding is something you want to do. Ft shooting is something you get right on your own time.what is he not doing? Players need to step up
If a player doesn't chose Maryland it doesn't make him a bum
No
you cant get mad at him for us giving up baseline almost everytime
by MurlandTerps on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Several comments on today's game
1. Why did Turge let his players dip their hands in novacaine before the game? No Terp player had ANY hand strength the whole first half.
2. Our team seemed completely disorganized the first half. Very little teamwork or good passing. Too much 1 on 1 play.
3. Why let P dribble the ball down court possession after possession , never pass and shoot a very poor shot?
3. It was very obvious when Alex turned his ankle. Yet Turge kept him in for another 2 possessions before taking him out. Why?
4. Pass at least 5 times before taking any shot. Our teamwork today was AWFUL. We never had any offensive flow
5. Start Pankey and let him play 13-15 minutes each half. Let him get better by playing. He’s the best board pounder we have.
6. Didn’t play Weis the whole second half. Why? He’s the tallest player on the court with Len out.
7 Parker was our best player today. And you’re right, Faust is a much better shooter off the dribble. Ste him up as he crosses the lane.
Just some thoughts from today’s game, which I think is the worst game we played all season. If we play our A game, we beat them.
Worst game?
Turgeon disagrees. In his post-game radio comments, he said that this was the Terp’s best game in terms of playing as a team. He cited stuff like sloppy individual play and missed opportunities for the loss. He seemed well satisfied with the game. He could be spinning, but that’s not something he’s done at all so far this season. Who knows, maybe he instructed Howard to take all those first shots after crossing mid-court.
As for Len, based on his recent play, he’d be my first choice if there had to be a starter sidelined by injury. Yes, his body would be missed in upcoming games, but the NYC frontmen are outpacing him recently on most all fronts but blocks.
by Runningcloud on Jan 21, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I do put this game on Turgeon... at least by not using instances of bad play as teachable moments
I can’t understand how it can be this late in the season and players (especially anyone not named Stoglin) thinking they can just jack up threes without any ball movement or any attempt to break down the defense. MT can’t necessarily control what a given player does on a given play, but he can respond forcefully to bad play by calling a TO and benching players immediately after that happens (and then talk in their ears the whole time their on the bench, like Gary would have done ;-) ). MT should have done that the second time Pe’ dribbled the ball down and threw up a God-awful shot right away.
by Terpmenacestan on Jan 21, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Who was jacking up 3's without any ball movement besides maybe Peshon
Sean Mosley was 0-1 and Faust was 0-2….wide open shots they missed (hardly what I would call jacking up 3’s with no ball movement especially Faust compared to how many he usually shoots that miss everything)
Peshon even was 1-5 but some of them were good looks he just wasn’t knocking them down (Now I don’t think he should be taking 3’s until he gets his form back but they weren’t all bad shots)… also it isn’t that late in the season for him he is still rounding into form…
Other than that no one took 3’s in the game….Stoglin was 3-8 from 3 and I will live with some of those crazy shots from him…
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 21, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would think those who feel Len is the greatest thing since pay toilets
are crawling under a rock.
Replace that with Faust and you've got my sentiments
At least Len is 7-1 and can alter shots/play style by standing still with his arms up.
Team has improved but not our bball IQ
You could see the difference in spades with their PG Fernandez vs P
Isn't bball IQ part of improving???
If anything that is controllable by MT
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Contollable?
Only during practice and by subbing out poor performers during the game. Plus its not entiely his fault until the recruits we call SA’s are his. Still plying with Gary’s guys and the BBall IQ under his tenure crested and never re-crested as even GV was prone to make freshman mistakes with the volume of his touches.
We need better thinkers and decision makers cause bigger stronger faster doesnt equal smarter.
Gottfried is playing
with Sidney Lowe’s boys, and look at the difference, even in just the mentality alone, never mind the actual improvements. Maryland’s players should be playing better than they are, especially against Temple. And don’t give me that “Temple beat Duke” crap either. Clemson smoked FSU by 20, and FSU has beaten the 2 blues, so does that mean that Clemson will beat them too? Hell no. Maryland s better than Temple, just not tonight.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 21, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Weis
The Terps went small lineup through much of the 2nd half to counter Temple’s three guard attack. Padge and Pankey just subbed for one another but Weis should have spelled them in the 2nd half. This may have contributed to sub par rebounding. Parker was a beast again, almost a routine for him now. He needs to play more.
I see a lot of folks making excuses fir MT that were not made for RE.
…just saying
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
shut up.
Cause Turge say it like it is and i extremely honest with himself and players. He right now is having the same problems that Gary had with this team last year and we had 3 seniors last year. He cant stop peshon over dribbling and getting an offensive foul instead of just pushing the ball up the floor. He cant stop peshon, padge pankey and len from not cutting off baseline. And I dont even want to start on lens rotation on defense not to mention peshon getting so sucked in on defense that he gives guys wide open 3’s. Also does Turge go under every screen and allow a guard to get off an open shot? No and I know for a fact that he emphasizes all of these.
by MurlandTerps on Jan 21, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
RE also says it like it is...
But he is charged with throwing RF, players, and puppies under the bus.
…and clubbing baby seals
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
did it really take you 7 years to graduate?
because it certainly appears so from your posts
by Asnis71 on Jan 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"Randy Edsall also says it like it is"
Is that a direct quote from the man himself?
Edsall notably dodged the media throughout the season. I don’t know what you’re talking about. And frankly, if you think that Mark Turgeon is a bad coach (which you clearly do), you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
Let me enlighten you
It takes a hell of a lot longer than 6 months to transform a turd into a diamond. Think about it.
I could sense Turg's frustration-as frustrated as the fans are
Turg cannot control the following:
Guys missing wide open jump shots and/or layups (dunks even…Sean??)
Guys missing foul shots
Guys throwing balls away
Guys not executing on defense (getting out on shooters, stop dropping down to help bigs and leaving skilled shooters wide open for easy 3s).
All Turg can do with young players is instill bball fundamentals and particular offensive and defensive schemes/sets. After that, it’s up to the players to PERFORM. Unfortunately they aren’t performing.
Mosley….I have wanted to love this guy from day one and now as a senior, he’s making mistakes the other Freshmen are making. His worst game offensively this year. He just looked out of it, making bad passes and just not confident on his shots (even FTs).
Len…looks like he just doesn’t want to play offense any longer. He’s passing up short hooks or post up shots to try to make impossible passes. He has no clue how to call for the ball after a pick or screen. He NEVER looks to his teammate after he rolls to the basket. Always looking at the basket or at a defensive player. Defensively he’s not being aggressive and shots he used to block, he’s just not getting to. Also his hands have become limp as spaghetti. Can’t hold on to the ball. Not sure what’s going on here (yes he’s a Freshman but he HAS skill).
Pe’Shon…just poor decision making for the most part. He played much better in the 2nd half but had too many TOs in the 1st half and very poor shooting. There are times I’m watching him penetrate to the basket and instead of kicking out to wide open guys (even Stogs), he’s forcing up bad shots. I know Turg wants him to score more but BE SMARTER.
Pankey & Padge…need stronger hands and be more aggressive. Today missed a lot of rebounds because they just couldn’t hold on to the ball.
Faust…still taking ugly shots and still poor FT shooter. He hit his first 2 FT shots and looked like he had a different stroke. Then he reverted back to the old, ugly, weird looking flip up to the basket. Much better when he’s dribble driving so hopefully he’ll do more of that in the future.
Anyway….a very frustrating loss today. We were down by 1 point and we let Temple rattle off 4 consecutive 3 pointers. Some were pretty amazing so give them credit but we knew that was their strength and we didn’t play them well down the stretch. dook is next so may god have mercy on our souls. A loss of under 15 would be an accomplishment. We’ll see what happens……maybe Gary’s night will give us some karma or something.
GO TERPS!!!
by cerratos on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hands as limp as spaghetti
I’m lovin" it! Great comment. Most of our players had limp hands the whole first half. Must have had some Philly pasta last night.
by Snappin Terp on Jan 21, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Mosley was horrible
If he’s hurt, then dont play. Forget about the fact he was 0-5, with maybe 1 attempt in the 1st half Forget the missed dunk. Forget the lazy turnovers. Mosley could not guard anyone today. He could not stay in front of anyone, was late on help, and was late getting a hand-up on the shooter.
Turgeon has to take some of the blame here
I think he’s a good coach and was a nice hire—but he needs to get these kids to play better than that. The players look like they are playing tentative, especially guys like Pe and Len. Turgeon has a quick hook, he hates sloppy play. That’s all great but right now we are still turning the ball over at an alarming rate AND not getting any easy buckets because we play conservative.
This was a step back for this team. Turgeon needs time to get his own kids but just judging his coaching skills so far I’m not blown away.
Again, I like him and think he will turn this around but he does seem to be getting a pretty free pass this year.
Of course he gets a free pass this year they have all of one playa
A couple of decent playas, a garbage man, a brand new 7 footer, all of one true PG, a decent freshman who is getting the hang of things over time, and a bunch of walkons!
Yes a free pass this year was part of his hire packet when he signed up for his UM medical, dental, and vision plans!
I disagree. I think he used his time outs well, drew up some good plays out of time outs and didn't see too many mental errors as a coach today
The players on the other hand didn’t play well. He looked just as pissed at some of the decisions as the fans did. I don’t see how you can say that’s Turgeon’s fault.
Temple has more experience and is a better team right now that hasn’t had a lot of missing pieces. They beat Duke for christ sakes…..It would’ve been great if we beat them but I would’ve been shocked.
We maybe have a shot at the NIT that’s about it we just don’t have the talent to be a top tier ACC/NCAA team…I want to see progress from this team and I am seeing it from a bunch of players…..
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
by TurtleShel716 on Jan 21, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Optimistic Side
Well…on the positive side, there is zero change Alex Len’s bolts early for the NBA. I think he will ultimately become a 3-4 year player.
I too really wanted to like Sean Mosley. He plays with a lot of passion, but his skill set is just not there.
High Post
Just my two cents, but no MD guard has hit the high post screener cutting to the basket. I watched at least 5-6 times the last two games when Pankey set the high screen and cut down the lane wide open. That pass is open many times during the game for any guard using the high screen. This is also why Pankey and the big men take naps during streches of the game, they are not rewarded for cutting hard to the basket. It’s either a pull up 8ft in the lane or a dunk.
by IUterpfan on Jan 21, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree and the pick and roll is motion offense 101
I would rather see us go inside off the pick and roll for Alex and Ashton rather than the back-to-the-basket low post feed. I think both would do well since they are facing the basket when they get the pass. I think will James do better in the low post.
Our team as a whole is not very good at passing
The big men fail to pass it out to guards on the wings when they’re getting doubled and someone is wide open too.
by aholla30 on Jan 21, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It has to make you feel a little better about our loss to them though
We were basically right with them for a majority of the game. UNC and Duke, who have much more talent than us and more experience, got blown out @FSU and lost to them at home.
You're right Ben...
Our school isn’t located in the state of North Carolina.
by chitsweire on Jan 21, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Now that FSU has beaten Duke at Duke,
the game Wednesday night takes on added significance. Duke can be had, but I’m
doubtful MD has the horses to do it.
If
Turge goes to the diamond press and runs the flex we got a chance…jk but really
by MurlandTerps on Jan 21, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
MT deserves a free pass but nothing more.
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree
Since ACC began, starting to wonder about MT
(See FSU for a reason)
We have talent, too.
I think the quick hook
with a lot players for offensive stuff is making them a little tentative. If it has to do with defense, I dont mind him pullin anyone
by MurlandTerps on Jan 21, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder?
He played NCAA ball at Kansas and took A&M to how many tourneys? I amstarting to wonder about YOU!
by Ardmoreari on Jan 21, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but the wise guys....
….were telling me a month ago, that although Md was in a rebuilding year they were superior to the likes of FSU.
As I said: we have talent, too.
We do have talent
Temple didn’t out talent us today, they out played us—and that is always going to be laid at the feet of the HC. Duke, UNC, FSU, UVA, State—they have more talent. I don’t know that anyone else in the ACC does.
Again, I think Turgeon is a good coach. He needs to do a better job of getting this group of players to play better offensively. They played scared, they look like they are trying to play perfect.
I disagree
It looked like they were playing To make plays and they cant against a better team.
This new coach thing is a process. Hes the right man for MD when needing someone to replace HOF GW.
Patience is more than a virtue its a discipline.
Temple also starts
Two seniors, two juniors and a freshman, compared to us starting one senior, one junior, two sophomores and a freshman.
Experience does have something to do with Temple not making the mistakes we did.
I thought they played pretty well
Frustrated Temple’s guards for most of the game. Temple’s guards just showed why they are so highly regarded. Wyatt, Moore, Brown and Fernandez were just better than Maryland’s guards. Maryland had an advantage inside and didn’t use it for most of the game.
Outtalented!
Uh . . . except for Stoglin, which Terp starts for Temple?? The Terps were MAJOR out-talented. And, honestly, Dunphy’s a better coach than ANYONE in the ACC right now . . . so what’re you whining about? I mean, they beat Duke – who definitely has more talent than them . . . UMD, no so much.
Notre Dame is currently beating No.1 Syracuse
30-14. If they can hold on, it would definitely help our already very slim tourney chances.
My disappointment with this team is that I don't like us beating ourselves
We all want to see this team making the most of what we have. However, the problems we are working through are entirely understandable just because of our youth and new coach. Its not as if we had a group of juniors and seniors that knew MT’s system and we’re integrating a few freshmen. Even Sean is effectively a freshman when it comes to knowing the system.
I think we’ve improved a lot individually and as a team. I hope we are at a stage where the team is getting the opportunity to scrimmage without the coach having to constantly stop play to make corrections. That’s when team play goes from being mechanical to being inuitive. However, even intuitive team play doesn’t mean the end of ugly ball. Good opponents know how to expose the other team’s weaknesses so playing well is ongoing effort as we face these different teams.
Great point...
we cannot afford to beat ourselves.
by WherestheBison on Jan 22, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Noone on MD can shoot except for one player
Pretty pathetic for a D1 team playing in ACC
by 7YearGrad on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I bet
if MD was undefeated and blowing everyone out by 30, you would still find something to bitch and complain about. Instead of being negative nancy all the time, why don’t you post your ideas on how to fix these problems. All of the negativity you bring to this board annoys others and accomplishes nothing and I, for one, am sick and tired of seeing posts like the one I’m replying to. I thought Raylew was bad, but you blow him out of the water. Try looking at the glass half full sometimes. You might like that point of view
by terpsallday on Jan 22, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1.
Funny how a lot of people, before this year started, talked about the growing pains we were going to go through. Now that we’re going through them, everybody jumps on the “bash Turge and the team” bandwagon.
We went 7-3 without a big man and a true point guard. We’re 12-6 overall, 2-2 in the A.C.C. Last year at this time we were 11-7, 1-3 in the A.C.C. Our team is, at best, an N.I.T. team. When Turge was hired last year, Faust pulled his commitment and a lot of our fans didn’t want to lose him. Turge busts his ass, gets Faust to recommit, and satisfies our fan base. Faust is going to be a really good player here at UMD; let’s give him time. We have a young team with a new coach; a coach with a proven record who LOVES to coach. He’s recruiting like crazy, is in the running for some serious players, and represents our school with class.
I understand this site gives everyone a chance to speak their mind and that’s definitely fine…the 1st Amendment gives us that right. No one on this board, though, could do any better job than Turge is doing now. He’s the right man for this school.
I know 12-6 isn’t what everyone wants, but it’s where 99.9% of this board thought we would be at this time. Let’s watch this team grown and keep getting better. Still a lot of season left.
by CarolinaTerp on Jan 22, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MT is doing a lot of good things...
1. Recruiting high quality players that have a D1 skill set
2. Showing high level of energy
3. Connecting with the fan base
However, his TEAM is not IMPROVING. That falls on him and him alone. He might be a good coach but this year he has not shown it.
by 7YearGrad on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although I hesitate to agree with 7YearGrad
I think he has a decent enough point here, when he stops trolling long enough to explain his point.
Against Temple I watched Maryland put together the sloppiest half of basketball I’ve seen in years. You can’t necessarily blame Turgeon for players missing shots, or making an inaccurate pass. But you can lay some of the blame at his feet for players taking bad shots, or making stupid passes. We were not out-talented by that Temple team. They just beat us. Players keep making stupid plays? Sure, blame the players. But the coaches are charged with “teaching” the game to the players. Mental failures reflect on both coach and player.
None of that (very mild) criticism of Turgeon is a condemnation of him. I agree that Turge is the right man for the job. But we can still call a spade a spade—he should share some of the blame for the crappy performance on Saturday. Just because he is the right man for the job doesn’t mean his is perfect and above criticism.
(As an aside, the lawyer in me needs to point out that the First Amendment doesn’t protect our right to speak on this message board—we have Ben, Ben, and Dave to thank for that right—if they wanted, they could shut down all speech on this board.)
more questions than answers
I had to walk away from this one…too frustrating…turned it off with 3 minutes remaining. We went from the best half of the year against FSU to the worst?
First, when will Turg piece together a full court press? When there are four guards on the floor, we have the quickness. And, what about trying a zone defense? A zone would not have worked against Temple…but why not try it once in a while to change momentum
Maybe it’s not Peshown…maybe the sets we run are too easy to defend. What’s the sense in posting a big man beyond the 3 pt. line for a weak post when defenders slide through easily.
Howard had 15 mostly easy points because Temple slacked off him and doubled Stoglin…they dared him to shoot and to his credit he made most shots. Point being the system is predictable…defenders callapse when anyone besides Stoglin has the ball and challenge the shooter to make the shot.
Len has lost confidence…he’s got to be more aggressive and they’ve got to make the point of getting him the ball so he can take at least 10 shots a game. Also, in the last 2 games he’s gotten in the habit of slaping the rebound out instead of grabbing with both hands. It’s not just about scoring…it’s about building confidence. Maybe Turg is making substitions too soon?
Overall, I’m thinking the sets we run are not effective in finding scoring opportunities for anyone other than Stoglin…and he’s having a harder time finding good shots. He’s as good as Juan Dixon, but without the supporting cast.
hmmm, interesting debate for a Sunday morning waiting for kickoff...
Juan Dixon vs. Terrell Stoglin…
Trade Stogs for Dixon with everything else the same, do we still win that natty?
Do we win the natty in 2001 as well?
Are we worse, and not even win in ’02?
If Dixon was on this years team instead of Stogs, do we beat Temple yesterday?
Discuss…
by 1 proud terp on Jan 22, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
No.
But if JW was on this year’s team we do. Inside threat that garnered a lot of attention down low. We just don’t have that, yet. If/when we do, we’re going to be very tough to stop.
by CarolinaTerp on Jan 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Parker
I agree Parker has become my favorite player along with Stogs……his Stats are close to Faust…….and he is getting less playing time…….Seems that maybe Stogs should be starting at PG…….
No Worries
Remember this team initially had a bunch of walk ons..(unheard of in ACC) and now have 40% of their starting lineup (Len and Howard) just in for the last 5-6 games…..improvement will not be linear but will come in bunches….MT is doing what needs to be done
by TerpfanMA on Jan 22, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought Howard did good!!!
Hello all, long time reader, current UMD student. Thought I’d sign up and finally add some input to this message board. First off, i was mad about that game lol. It just gets so frustrating because we are really good, much better than alot of people expect us to be, but we just make too many mistakes at the wrong times. Pretty much in this game and the Florida State game our defense along the perimeter was slacking, they were given alot of easy 3pt shots.
I actually thought Howard did a much better job this game than his last few ones. of course in the beginning he had made some mistakes, but think about it this way. He missed the first 8 or 9 games, and is just getting back into the swing of things. If he had played the first few games, he’d probably make these mistakes then, and would be really good by now. During this game, he had 15 points, which is more than his last 4 games combined. was 7 for 12 for FGs. Besides the 3 pointers he missed, he seems to be gaining confidence back in his shot. All he needs to do is take care of the ball better and reduce turnovers, also be a little more cautious with his passes and he’ll get there. Oh yea and he has a nice mid jumper, he should do those more.
Stoglin was Stoglin. nothing else you can say about him lol. He’s a beast, he will get his points regardless. Parker looked good, i’d like to see him play a little more.
We need to get rebounds. It’s like we don’t even try to get them half of the time lol. I really hope we can win at least 1 game a piece against Duke and UNC.
I don't judge Pe'shon on his shooting
He did have his best shooting night of the season thus far, and I think that’s great, but for me that’s not his main job. He took a few bad shots without even passing the ball once, which as a PG who’s supposed to be running the offense is no good. This is the same thing Turgeon was upset with Stoglin about, and it’s just as upsetting here. I look for Pe’ to get everyone else in the offense by clearing out open shots for others with penetration and good passing.
In the big picture, I see it as Stog’s job to score and Pe’s job to dish. Every point Pe’ gets is a bonus, just like every assist Stog’s gets is a bonus. On the flip side, I think we need Pe’ to get at least 5 assists or so (and less than 3 TO’s) just as much as we need Stog’s 20 points.
Im surprised
People haven’t laid into Pe more. I think his play is probably the most disappointing aspect of this yr. All game long i kept thinking we need a real PG that can control the game, end these long spells of terrible play and calm the team down. Pe has done none of that this yr and his truly regressed in my opinion.
This team needs 3 things that i don’t think will be addressed this yr in recruiting. 1. pure PG, 2. athletic PF and 3. a sniper (doesn’t need to be a starter but gets ~15 mins a game).
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