Maryland assistant Dalonte Hill Arrested on Suspicion of DUI, Won't be on Bench Next Two Games
Well, this isn't a nice way to kick off the weekend. Maryland Assistant Dalonte Hill, who joined the Terps' staff after Mark Turgeon's hire, was apparently arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence. Maryland has stated that he won't be on the bench for the next two games. Word came initially from Patrick Stevens via Twitter:
Maryland assistant Dalonte Hill arrested on suspicion of DUI. Maryland says he will not be on the bench the next two games.
Obviously, this is really bad news for Maryland on several fronts. Not only is it bad PR for the school, in what some considered a controversial hire, it certainly will hurt recruiting. Most parents frown upon someone trying to recruit their son who shows poor judgement in their own life. Hopefully this won't be a big deal and maybe the charges get dropped. But the fact that Hill won't be on the bench the next two games is rather telling to me that something happened.
Hill is also a high-profile assistant for Maryland because of the salary the school is paying him. I'm not arguing that he doesn't deserve it, because I definitely believe he does, but during a tough financial time for Maryland's athletic department, don't think that people won't bring this issue up for discussion, whether or not it's justified or warranted.
In the world of recruiting, people use negative information against others all the time. You have to imagine that this will be used by others to undermine Hill's creditability, especially for some of the big name targets Maryland is courting in 2013 and 2014. Hopefully Turgeon can do damage control and hopefully Hill can use this as a learning experience and tell recruits and parents that no one is immune from making mistakes. I just hope this mistake doesn't cost the Terps in the near future.
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First of all we should probably let this play out before jumping to too many conclusions. But…I can’t help but wonder what happens if he gets convicted. All we need is for DC to have a Baltimore-esque grudge against us because we fired their guy after he screwed up.
by Ben Broman on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Jumping to conclusions on what happened...
…or on the impact? I’m assuming you meant the latter?
FWIW, this is Hill’s second DUI. First one came at K-State. Also not good.
by Dave Tucker on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
We need
To hope somebody knows someone high up that can handle this. It is not good in any form, guy has a problem and just became a REAL BIG ONE!
You don't get DUI's fixed
The atmosphere for accepting somebody driving drunk isn’t there anymore. This isn’t 20 years ago when some judge or prosecutor would sweep in under the rug and out of sight just because of who you are. The tougher enforcement of DUI’s came directly out of Anne Arundel County home of the Md. governmentin Annapolis and all those drunk politicos who got away with DUI’s. I think Hill’s job is on rather shaky ground right about now. Since he can’t drive having refused a breathalyzer test it’s going to make it hard for him to recruit anyone.
by DudleyDoright on Jan 21, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oops...
I think this could hurt recruiting…..
I don’t think it should as it wouldn’t matter to me personally as a parent, he made a mistake (it happens)………………, but I think a lot of parents will look at this very negatively and have second thoughts about Maryland that could cost us in the recruiting game.
I don’t really know all the details or what Turge should do in this case. He has a lot of important connections which you don’t want to burn by firing him….I guess we’ll see how this plays out
"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach
2nd time
This would be his second time getting a DUI. As a parent how do you respond now. Great one of your assistants has a drinking problem and further more likes to get behind the wheel.
Not sure how you sell that to parents?
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know it was the 2nd time...
That is definately not good for him personally (pointing to other issues that he needs to address!!), but even though he may have a drinking/judgement problem doesn’t mean he is a bad mentor or bad coach…and it wouldn’t affect my decision to send a kid to Maryland if I was a parent of a potential basketball recruit.
…The rest of your statement is in agreement with mine… I said it would hurt with parents…didn’t you read that in my post?
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by TurtleShel716 on Jan 20, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Coaching/mentor
Those are two entirely different things. I never said that his DUI will impact his coaching ability, unless he starts showing up to practice and film sessions drunk.
As for the mentor aspect of being a coach, your damn right this effects it. How can it not. Your telling your players that they can break team or university rules, but your out there breaking the law. Oh yeah and he is a repeat offender.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Again
I didn’t say you said that his DUI will affect his coaching ability…so lets get that clear first….
As far as the mentor roles, I think we have a disagreement here, I think you can still be an effective mentor even if you make bad decisions in other aspects of your life…….Believe me, I’ve known a lot of people that have made terrible decisions in other parts of their life, that still were effective in their jobs.
Oh well I guess we’ll just agree to disagree on this. I think a lot of parents will share your viewpoint that these DUI’s mean he is a bad mentor and this will turn them away form Maryland..This just wouldn’t change my opinion if I had a kid that was a recruit to Maryland
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by TurtleShel716 on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It could be argued that you can be a BETTER mentor,
because you know what failing is all about. You’ve lived it. The problem is, I doubt that’ll compensate for the lack of trust from the parents of recruits.
Being effective in your job
does not mean that are a good mentor. It sounds like you are not a parent. I am, and even though she is just 3, I know how I would react. I would be like “This is his second DUI. Who’s to say he won’t drink and drive while whining and dining my kid?” That’s just one of the many things.
If this were his first DUI, then I would be more willing to agree with you. But it’s his second, which means that it was not a mistake. He gambled and lost. Luckily no one else lost with him.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want any coach whining to my kid
while dining with them – could be an attitude problem
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
PS -
I’ve been talking to my 15 y.o. son openly about this for years now. He’s already well aware of dire consequences of drinking, even health related issues.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I do have a suspicion
before DH was hired, his problems in the past were discussed. I do not know if the “do not have that happen again while with us, or else…” discussion occurred between KA and/or Turge w/ DH.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
You have GOT to be kidding me
If you are making $350K, maybe spring for a cab you idiot. I know I should wait to see what the deal really is, but with his past history, I don’t see much reason to. This is shameful.
It NEVER ceases to amaze me...
that guys who have so much to lose by doing something so stupid, irresponsible and dangerous as drinking and driving don’t have the insight to hire a car, call a cab, or simply call a friend, co-worker or somebody to take them home after a night of one too many drinks. You are exactly right, he has G’s in the bank and is too stupid to pop for a cab ride. Have someone go for your car in the morning or call a damn tow truck and have them tow you home while you sleep it off in your own back seat. That would have been far less expensive than damaging your reputation.
Dalonte's comments
After the first arrest, Dalonte commented he is embarrassed to take the attention of the team.
http://cjonline.com/stories/020108/cat_242572691.shtml
He got his first after K-State beat #2 Kansas, what was he celebrating this time, his inability or lack of recruiting success so far, maybe celebrating Locks ability to land some players.
I will hold my true opinion until the report comes out and he is found guilty of DUI. If so, kiss the Harrisons bye bye, if we keep him or kiss the DC HS coaches connections bye bye if we can his ass for his own stupidity.
Nice work Dalonte the only think you have landed so far is jail time.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions
I hate to be so negative
but you’re spot on. This is pretty bad. No way it can really be spun positively.
Yeah
This definitely hurts with the Harrisons. Their dad is all about character.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
it doesnt hurt at all. His dad always talks about Turgeon not Hill anyway
by Maryland1206 on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Hill knew their father well
Has their cell phone numbers or something?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're most likely correct
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't have to be found guilty
I will hold my true opinion until the report comes out and he is found guilty of DUI.
Refusal to take a breathalyzer is an automatic six month suspension of your license. Conviction gets you the same penalty plus six months of substance abuse counseling.
by DudleyDoright on Jan 21, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Does this qualify as earning his paycheck? Let’s go through the numbers:
Number of recruits brought in: 0
Number of accused DUIs: 1
Not a good ratio
The bottom number should be 2
apparently. At least the ratio is still the same…womp womp
this is not a big deal to me
Who doesn’t have a dui? Most of the recruits parents either have a dui, or someone close to them who they trust has a dui.
What’d he blow on the breathalizer anyone know?
A good lawyer gets him off. No DC jury would convict. Use peremptory challenges to get rid of the jurors that are gtown fans.
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Read above
This would be his second DUI if convicted. How many people you know have two DUI and you would deem them fit citizens? Let alone an individual that is suppose to help young adults make “smart” decisions in all aspects of their lifes.
And KA had issues with Mike Leach, shit he tried to help a kid with a concussion and made a couple more phone calls then the NCAA allows. Big whoop, but let’s hire an alcoholic or someone who isn’t intelligent enough to figure out drinking and driving is illegal.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
If convicted. I know some people with 2 DUIs, and they’re good people, just stupid when it comes to knowing if they’re good to drive.
But yeah, you’re right that 2 duis look bad for a public figure. Even if he gets convicted and he’s not fired, it could be a problem for getting a HC job some day.
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude, deep breath
Relax. I’m not endorsing drunk driving. I’m just saying there are hundreds of thousands of people who have DUIs, and they’re not all Hitler. Many of them are good people who made a mistake. It’s a bad mistake, but its not unforgivable to me.
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one is saying Hill is a bad person
But saying “this is not a big deal to me” is far from saying you can forgive the guy. I think we could all probably forgive Hill, especially if no one was hurt, but its still a big deal. Like perhaps a bigger deal than when the whole world cried when Steve Jobs died. Or a bigger deal landing the Harrison twins. You have probably not been affected by it, but if you ever are, then you will think its a “big deal”
relax
he didnt kill anyone. I am sure 99% of the people on this site have driven drunk before. Dont throw stones in a glass house.
by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Speak for yourself
I don’t want to make assumptions about you, since I really have no clue what you do in your free time, but what I will say is that I know several people who drive drunk who, when taken to task about it, will rationalize it using that exact same logic. Besides being plain not true, that logic is no excuse for doing it.
While I wouldn't say 99% is accurate
a lot of people do drink drunk or buzzed. It’s the ones that get DUIs (i.e. they are OBVIOUSLY intoxicated and don’t give a shit) are the ones that are problems.
lol theyre all the problem. if you've had anything to drink. sober up before driving
by Maryland1206 on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I mean...technically
But if you take a look at the whole thing, it’s not so clear cut that “IF YOU DRIVE DRUNK, YOU ARE SCUM. YOU HAVE PROBLEM.”
Like I’m a big dude, so I can legally have about 5-6 servings of alcohol before I’m over the limit. Honestly, there’s nothing between drinks 2-9 that makes me any different at driving. If you’re gonna say that magically I’m a danger in a car at drink 7, well then why not drink 2? or drink 5?
There are people that react to alcohol differently. You know the ones…they get completely sloshed even at beer 3. And look downright dead at beer 5…While I see the inherent hypocriticalness of it all, I think some people can drive after they’ve drunk, but others are just way too not under control. Just an observation.
Definitely speak for yourself
Just because he didn’t kill anyone doesn’t make it okay. That’s like saying if I shoot a gun at someone but miss, it’s okay because I didn’t kill them.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not taking sides here
but that’s a pretty huge fallacy in your argument. One must factor into the equation intent. In your point, the intent is to injure; in Hill’s case it’s negligence. Big difference.
Yeah, I probably went over the top with the exaggeration. Sorry about that.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
as people do fire guns accidentally, not always on purpose. It could have a lighter trigger pull for instance. It would be negligence, not intent. Hill knew what getting behind the wheel intoxicated would mean, and that there could be fatal consequences. Yet he took that choice anyway. Intent plain and simple, not negligence.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is ridiculous
Lots of people do not have DUIs. What an insane comment.
This is the sort of blazay attitude about drunk driving that pisses me off
It is really baffling to me that people still think a DUI isn’t a big deal.
Let me rephrase your question. Instead of “Who doesn’t have a DUI?” (most people), lets ask “who doesn’t know someone killed by a drunk driving?” (a lot fewer people, I bet).
by Womp Womp on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
OK. I think my tone was taken wrong. Duis are serious.
But, with 180,000 arrests in CA alone last year, it is a common mistake. Not a good thing to do. But a common thing. All I’m saying.
Don’t crucify me.
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get your point.
Although the way you said it, lol. But like my other comment on here, usually the people who get DUIs are problem drinkers per my observations…This is all anecdotal though….
Define common
There are approximately 37.7 million people in California. That means less than 1% of the population if you don’t account for multiple DUIs.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
37 million includes millions who are under 16, and many more who do not drive.
I’d guess 10% of the driving population gets caught per year. And given that there is more than one year in CA’s history, a very large % of Californians get arrested for DUI’s.
Also… Think about what Scott Van Pelt would say here… Just generally…
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Approximately 22-23% of the population in Cali is under 16 (according to the 2010 census). So that means about 29 million can drive. And that is still less than 1% of the population per year. If you take out the population under 21 and over 65 (most likely not driving) the number is still around 1-2% a year. And again, that doesn’t involve second offenders (which I would guess account for a big number).
DUIs are NOT common no matter how you shake it.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
22.5 million licensed drivers in CA
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/trn_lic_dri_tot_num-transportation-licensed-drivers-total-number
180,000 arrests, thats ~0.8% of drivers who are arrested. Still ignoring multiple offenders and unlicensed drivers. The 10% figure you pulled out of thin air is ridiculously high.
If 10% get caught every year
That means between now and 2022, every driver in America will have one?
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ugh
I can’t believe I’m gonna argue math here..
Here are better stats: 1.5 million Americans are arrested for DUI every year. So by 2012, there will be roughly 30 million DUI arrests. Sure, there’s repeaters, but TENS of MILLIONS of ppl will get DUIs in the next 10 years.
To me, that’s “common”
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*2022
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And 1.5 milliion
out of over 300 million, probably around 200 million drivers? That’s next to nothing. So basically only a special few get a DUI every year.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Your math is wrong
(1.5) million times (10) years equals(=) (15) million, not 30. Also, with your earlier math, you said that 180,000 people get arrested every year in Cali for DUI, and you “guesses” that it was 10%. Add two 0’s to the 180,000 and you get 18,000,000, which, by other numbers, is only half of Cali’s population.
Suffice it to say, your basic, 5th grade math is horrible.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Are we gonna split hairs?
I still think 15 million is a lot.
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by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 20, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
15 million over 10 years
out of 2 billion over 10 years. Statistically speaking, not a lot. You are talking .75% of the driving population getting a DUI. 3/4 of 1%, and earlier you were talking about everyone knows someone that has a DUI. And I don’t know about wherever you are, but down here in NC about 1/3-1/2 of the people that get DUIs are illegal, so they don’t have a license anyway, which further skews any data you try to put forth.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe you are still arguing it is common
Where are you getting your 1.5 million by the way? According to DringingandDriving.org:
900,000 are arrested each year for DUI/DWI and a full 1/3 of those are repeat offendersThat means there are basically 600,000 new DUI charges every year. So, by 2022 there would be 6 million people with DUIs out of approximately 190.6 million licensed drivers in the US (according to a 2000 report by the Federal Highway Administration). Those statistics don’t include unlicensed drivers or the turnover of new drivers (more people start driving every year than stop driving which is evident by the 23% increase from 1980 to 2000 and the 12% increase from 1990). In other words, there will probably 10-15% more drivers in 2010 and there will be the same increase in 2020.
Either way you slice it, that means there is still less than 1% (AKA not common) of the driving population with DUIs. Just give it up. You are wrong.
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by John Stephens on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
And that makes it ok how?
Never mind the legality.
Who doesn' thave a DUI?
You’re fucking kidding right?
To be honest, a DUI could be a signal of some underlying problem. If you had said, yeah we’ve all driven drunk, then maybe I could agree with you. But a DUI, in my mind, means the effects of alcohol really get to you, and it’s obvious enough that a cop can pull you over. That’s pretty effing bad, and usually problem drinkers are the ones that are noticeably intoxicated…
Let’s hope it’s not an underlying problem.
What about all the DUIs that result
from checkpoints, or because someone has a taillight out? It isn’t just because someone is unable to control their car.
In fact, I’d wager most DUIs come from the circumstances I described.
At checkpoints they just as you some questions. So you have to either sound drunk enough or smell drunk enough for them to take it further. I don’t think that makes a strong case for it being less of an issue.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Who doesn’t have a dui?
Intelligent and responsible people?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Who doesn't have a DUI?
Just about every adult I come into daily contact with, for starters.
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No one I know
Has a DUI. Your reasoning is flawed and harmful.
by SunDropDrinker13 on Jan 20, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wait 'til details are known before passing judgment.
Right now, it’s all pure speculation.
I wasn't being sarcastic
Judgment is correct.
+.08 - I was waiting to see if someone knew that! good job
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, Tyler Ennis
just received an offer from Maryland this week. If you don’t know who this kids is, he is a five star PG at St. Benedicts in NJ. I hope to God Bino is handling his recruit and Hill is as far away from him as possible. Unless Hill was out with Ennis getting crunk and took the wrap for him. That should get him a commit…finally.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions
well
thanks for taking a lighter note of things, lol
Ennis will be a tough get
but the staff evaluated him fully. We’ve been watching him a while. Kansas and GTown been on him a while, and add locals Rutgers and the Hall. Not too worried, but still tough.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
still speechless...
but reading into the words he was arrested for ‘suspicion’. let’s hope it gets thrown out and forgotten.
"suspicion"
Typically when someone declines to give a breathalizer test when pulled over, the person can not be arrested for DUI, that person is arrested for suspicion of DUI. The only cases when someone is arrested for DUI is when they fail a field test or are obviously drunk/admit to it.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
thanks...
i doubt he would be fired right off, but the damage IS already done. so realistically, what are hill’s odds?
Well, if he refused a test in MD, he's without a license for a while.
You can refuse to take the tests. While you do have the right to not take the test, the state has a right to impose a hefty consequence for making that call. Even if you are later found not guilty of the charge, your license will be suspended for 120 days to one year for refusing to take the breath test.
http://www.dmv.org/md-maryland/automotive-law/dui.php
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Where's Rob Ehsan??
Sort of saying that in jest, but seriously, Dalonte has not done anything to win me over yet as far as being an asst. coach. Add to the fact that our other local uber-recruiter(Locks) has come in and made an instant splash and impact with fball, Dalonte is under even more pressure to prove he’s worth his contract. I’m not convicting him of this DUI, allow his due process, but trouble just seems to follow some people whereever they go. I’m starting to wonder if Justin Anderson’s parents were right, when they dropped us after Hill was hired.
Fast forward…Worst case scenario, if this costs Hill his job, I’m wondering if Walt Williams would be a good candidate for the position? He’s already around the program doing radio with Holiday & Knoche. I think he’d be an awesome assistant coach if he’s interested. Otherwise, I’d take Ehsan back in a blink, if he would want to return(doubtful).
Shoot, Walt's in all the huddles!!! LMAO
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wish he could come back
But Ehsan’s an assistant at Virginia Tech.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
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I don't quite have buyer's remorse...yet...let's wait and see
At best, DH gets serious treatment (prolly for the second time) and is on the shortest of leases. At worst, we’re looking for a replacement.
I’m thankful he didn’t kill anybody.
I had one provocative thought. What would be worse: DH gets this DUI w/ nobody hurt, or he has driver error/didn’t see a pedestrian in the dark and killed somebody? Actually, the second thing would make him better off with admin, even though it would be a greater tragedy.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Let's just be glad
It wasn’t a Dont’e Stallworth incident wher he WAS drunk AND hit and killed a pedestrian. I don’t know how you spin that. I don’t think its possible to
by terpsallday on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I "killed" Stallworth on Twitter a few years ago
He got mad enough to respond to me…I’ll dig it up and post it – I was funny and tough at the same time.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
We will see...
Let’s wait and see how this thing plays out…not sure if an assistant coach being arrested is as big of a deal to recruits as is a head coach. Not saying its good, but idk how bad of an impact it will make.
Wonder if MD's ever had a head coach
get arrested for DUI?
only difference
Was when billy hahn used to get pulled over, the cops would drive them home. Lol. Gary and billy were hardcore drinkers and party goers.
by gianterp on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that
is funny and brings back all the memories of Gary in Bentley’s after some games.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Back then it was just the WaPo and Diamondback reporting it
So it didn’t get very far from what I remember
Not to pile on ...
or monday morning quarterbacking – but I was going to write a note on here after Sundays game with FS – I have noticed several times that Dalonte stands away from the team huddle during time outs alot – I noticed it in person during a few games too – perhaps its common place for the assistant, I don’t know – I just seem to keep my eye on him – he’s a big, sharply dressed figure so its easy to do… and I am really hoping the best for him and the Terps… I wonder if something is on his mind overall??? He seems to be pre-occupied – is there something to that investigation that was hinted at from years back? Now is when he can make the true sacrifice – internally – to make a change for the better.
Dalonte Hill
Let’s just check in on what he has done for the University of Maryland. Nothing positive so far.
What about negative attention, well now that’s a different story. Not only does he come in to College Park with a bit of baggage, but we decide to let go of Ehsan and up and coming coach. Hill has a history of DUI and suspicious recruiting tatics only to reinforce those issues.
Hill has been tied into the Beasley “pay to play” nightmare from his K-State days, which everyone knew that Hill has some dirt under his fingernails, whether you want to admit it or not. Now he adds to that with a repeat DUI charge.
So in his time at Maryland, he hasn’t landed a single recruit let alone a blue chip. He warrants a top assistant salary of any assistant in the nation and then get’s arrested for a DUI.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions
KA vs. Turge
We will see how this plays out. KA will need to keep Hill to eliminate any more imbarrassment on his inability to bring in the right coaches, as well as continue the negative attention his athletic department has gotten since he’s been in charge.
Turge will need to set an example and let Hill go. This may kill us in the DC area, but we haven’t landed shit out of DC in forever and Hill hasn’t change that at all. Graham is going elsewhere, Britt, Robinson, Grant, Anderson and all others went elsewhere. Oh yeah what about Wally Judge, couldnt even land him.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions
To be fair
Wally Judge was long gone before Hill got here.
OK, seriously on Wally Judge
Hill landed him at K-State, I can’t remember who went first but it was a package deal it seemed.
Grant did not commit because Layman committed before him. If you didn’t notice the timing of him eliminating MD and Layman committing then you aren’t paying attention.
Nate Britt – we were in the final two, but he has liked UNC since he was a kid. There was no way we were landing him after Williams offered.
Actually
Britt said AZ was second, not us
Assume NG
hopefuly…he is NG…if not ….Turgeon and Anderson have a dificult decision…..not so much if it were the first time..but ths guy has(again if guilty) a problem…one which needs addressing and rather hard to do while coaching(?) varsity players
All that money....
he should be able to afford a cab ride.
As I learned in DUI class…..you can either pay $60 for a long taxi ride home or $1500+ as the result of DUI.
by Fushezzi on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
are you serious?
In the dirty game of college basketball recruiting, we are worried about a coaches dui? Kids are getting paid by handlers, drug dealers and pimps everyday for playing high level basketball. Moat parents of high profile recruits are not worried about a coaches dui.
by gianterp on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes, that's definitely true
But someone like papa Harrison is completely different. He prides his boys on integrity and doing well in life so the hill DUI would definitely affect his image of us
by Verycooldude9 on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
it makes me laugh
When a parent talks about ethics and doing things the right way in raising his or her kids, then the same kid has Kentucky and coach cal in top of his list.
First of all, one of those seems a lot more serious than the other, and not the one you were implying.
Secondly, the concern (to me) is that we have to fire him and DC hates us for years.
Bob Huggins has had multiple DUIs
He still pulls in some pretty good recruits. Rick Pitino publicly cheated on his wife and he still gets a 5-star every once in a while. I don’t think this will affect our recruiting whatsoever.
Is it a good thing that this happened? Obviously, no, I wish it didn’t happen, but in a couple months nobody will really even care.
WVU
Because there so damn uneducated that can’t qualify any where else to play, but WVU.
by El Goodd Terps13 on Jan 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Huggins signed at WVU because they love to drink
The AD at WVU is an alcoholic too. My buddy drank with him at a WVU vs. Pitt game a few years back. My buddy was 19 at the time.
I really hope this isn't a repeat of that. Ugh.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
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It's not filled in the system yet
Maybe it takes a couple days for them to post it? http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/processDisclaimer.jis
A problem drinker
Who says he’s an alcoholic…..
Not sure if you're serious or not
but that’s patently not true. Alcoholics and problem drinkers are on two different levels. What I see in Hill is a functioning, and successful coach. Alcoholics have a problem so severe it stops their functioning in society. A problem drinker is exactly what he strikes me as…look it up!
Isn't problem drinker
another phrase for functional alcoholic? I think it is.
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
a thug?
what?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
i dont mean thug in a bad way. more saying getting a DUI on wed. is a badass thing to do(not really)
you looked at it diff. than i did
by Maryland1206 on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess...
I just think the word “thug” is poorly tosses around in sports commentating.
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
*tossed
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair to Dalonte
It’s not like he has a normal schedule like most other working Americans. Wednesday night might have been the only night of the week he had free.
Not saying it’s an excuse for what happened, but college basketball coaches don’t have much free time.
Never been happier to have Turge
When a scandal whether you consider it minor or major springs up, you need a smart, clean non-nonsense guy in charge. I trust him to get the facts from Dalonte and to make decisions that are in the long term best interest of both Dalonte and the program. Two DUI’s is a significant problem. Turge appears to be a family first guy who will do what he can to help Dalonte, but won’t sacrifice the the program to do so.
Leave of absence, sent to rehab, coaching position held open for him when he’s better. This is a chance for Dalonte to get himself together before he does any permanent damage to himself or someone else and a chance for Turgeon to show recruits how he treats members of the program who falter. I’m betting we see consequences and compassion and some recruits will respect that and some will go elsewhere.
As a physician...
one DUI you can palm off as an instance of bad judgement. Two DUI’s? This man has an alcohol problem. Call it alcoholism or not, he has a problem. If he’s been caught twice, there’s a very good chance that there have been lots of other times where he didn’t get caught. This man is a threat to himself and the community. Forget about basketball. He needs to get treatment for alcohol abuse. The University should insist he get treatment now.
Yes, yes, and especially yes to the treatment idea
If the university makes him get treatment, and he gets clean. This whole situation can be turned into a positive. People typically want to give people a second chance, but you have to earn it.
Dawg!!!!
Why you got to do this to me?!?!?
Just when things were looking so bright for the future of md bball…
by worldwidewes on Jan 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Role Reversal
It’s like the bball team and football completely flip flopped. We get blown on by FSU and our “top recruiter” gets a DUI.
All this talk about recruiting
He hasn’t gained any recruits, and in fact his loss of Justin Anderson makes him minus one……………that kind of money we can do better
by terpfan2011 on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JA
or his dad stated that it was Hill that caused him to decommit more than Gary leaving.
Again, wait 'til information is available before making conclusions.
And, keep in mind DUI isn’t restricted to alcohol.
Jump to conclusions
I’m going to make a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor, and it would have different conclusions written on it that you could jump to.
by Fushezzi on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gary was a 2 fisted drinker
But he had a lot of friends who would look out for him and to my knowledge never got a DUI.
If Hill is guilty , which I believe he’ll get off, a DUI is certainly better than drug trafficing, rape, child molestation or any other felony. A public figure like Hill has a lot more to lose than just our driver’s license. But I don’t think this will amount to much, especially on the recruiting front.
I see a lot of people on here
casting Hill off as an alcholic. While I agree it doesn’t look good, the dude isn’t a full-blown alcoholic. You have no idea how much and how often he dirnks. If you want to get specific, I’d say he’s a problem drinker, and you got to nip it in the bud right here. Either way, it needs to be addressed.
DUI= problem drinker by definition.
Whether he’s an alcoholic, nobody on this page has any way of knowing, but I’ll tell you this, 2 DUI’s is a serious warning sign that you ignore at your peril. The next arrest could be DUI manslaughter which in many states is now prosecuted as second-degree murder. The man needs counselling.
Assistant for a reason
This is certainly an issue because he’s putting himself and others in danger. It won’t look good to fans or parents of recruits either.
However, let’s not forget, he’s an assistant coach working for Turge (who has just about the cleanest record out there). Delonte hasn’t even been at maryland for a full year of recruiting and can’t really be labeled a failure until the recruits we DO get don’t meet our expectations. The two who have signed since he signed on (Shaq and Layman) are top 100 recruits and though he may not have played a part in getting them, he hasn’t gotten anyone we don’t want.
Let’s breathe and see what Turgeon says in his interviews, if anything.
I gues one way to “spin” this would be to say that Coach Hill has attained a high level of success in his given profession DESPITE his shortcomings and faults, as long as it’s made incredibly clear what his actions have been/are to be in his rehibilitation.
Americans love the “comeback” kid, and stories of retribution. We only have to look so far as John Lucas to recognize that. Despite his own flaws, Lucas was/is sought out as a mentor to troubled youth, most notably Dennis Rodman.
But, again, an example MUST be made. Don’t know if 2 games of the bench does that. I’d hit him hard in the pocket and demand an awful lot of community service , and not just a PSA, but rather something where his hands would need to “get dirty”.
Given the DUI in 2008, I'd assume the matter of possible
future DUI’s was addressed in his contract at MD?
Any statement from Turg?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ummmm
I’m just going to say it….people in Maryland and DC are terrible drivers. Just awful. Id go out in the median to make a left on a red and people would look at me like I had three heads. Also the Left lane as the fast lane concept hadn’t seemed to catch on down there.
There I’m being honest. And you know what being honest feels good.
Also – it’s called snow. It’s frozen rain. It doesn’t have magical powers. 1 inch of snow and the beltway became like the highway to hell.
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True.
I’ll call a spade a spade. Also nicer people in general fwiw.
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Also the Left lane as the fast lane concept hadn’t seemed to catch on down there.
So damn true. It drives me INSANE!
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly You Guys Haven't Been to Seattle
All rules of driving are suspended. Its like the most passive driving I have ever witnessed.
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no truer words have ever been spoken
Seattle drivers are pathetic. Passive and unbearably slow. They might be the only Americans who took their driving instructors seriously when told that the speed limit is for experienced drivers under ideal conditions.
And when it comes to snow, just mention the word and they’ll pull off the road (at a 45 degree angle) to cancel their appointments for the next six weeks. DC drivers ain’t great in snow, but no one’s testes receed into their bodies faster than a Seattlite faced with the stuff!
Rant over. Get treatment and come back whole Delonte!
by LeftCoastTerp on Jan 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Rec’d. SOOOOOO ACCURATE. The speed limit thing is dead on. They literally go either a mile above or below the speed limit. And it isn’t just snow, RAIN! You would think by now they would be able to cope with rain since it rains like 360 days out of the year, but no. It starts misting. Brake lights.
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I'm a little upset he didn't have a concealed firearm on him
Imagine the street cred UMD would have gotten with something like that
by PhillyTerp on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
because being right next to B-more and DC and in PG isnt street enough
by Maryland1206 on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take your firearm...
AND RAISE YOU ONE TRANNY!
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Yes
And they were driving to Disneyworld.
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Just trying to lighten the mood
A lot of people seem wound up too tight on here
It was just a little horse play!
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This sucks. It looks bad for the program and the university, but it is repairable. Like many have said a lot of high profile people have gotten DUIs and worse. What separates them from cousin Rico getting a DUI? They are in the spotlight and represent more than just themselves.
Mistakes are made and corrected and made and corrected. This is how humanity functions. I certainly believe that Dalonte needs to seek help for what appears (pure speculation) to be a problem or habit. I don’t necessarily think that he needs to be fired right away until all the facts are out and the staff and athletic department have a proper course of action. I think forcing him into some kind of rehab program, leave of absence or something of that nature would do the most good in this situation.
Now all we can do at this point is wait until all the facts come out and then assess where to go. Casting judgment now doesn’t do anything to better the situation and most likely makes you looks like an ass.
DUI’s are serious and need to be taken seriously, but with the proper guidance, people who have DUIs can be rehabilitated. This is key. Like someone said, everyone likes second chances.
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by asianterp on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You mean uncle Rico?
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by John Stephens on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Free Dalonte Hill"
I am printing the yellow thsirts with red letters right now.
Can I get an amen?!
by settleten on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I wonder
what he was driving. Escalade? Pimped out Mercedes? Prius?
by worldwidewes on Jan 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hope he didn't damage it
If it was one of the ones they’re gonna give to the Twins. Jk, this ain’t Kentucky.
Oye! "Slap to the forehead" NIce role model.
Nothing else needs to be said.
Fear the Turgle!
step back from the ledge everyone
I don’t think this story deserves this much buzz. When it comes down to it, he is an assistant coach. I think most recruits still care most about the head coach. Also, as stated before even our legend Gary Williams had a DUI.
Wow
a lot of unrest here over something not that uncommon. Maryland has a zero tolerance DUI law meaning you can get a DUI from having a .02- .08 BAC. .02 can be obtained by 1 or 2 beers. We would have a lot more to uproar about if it was a DWI.
The saddest part to this is that no one would care if he had signed a 5 star recruit already, but because he had 2 beers and drove home without first signing a #1 recruiting class, he is suddenly an outcast.
Give the man some time people, this will be forgotten until another coach gets a DUI ahem… 1990.
Not what UMD bball needs right now . . .
Hopefully people will let the process take its course . . . since we really don’t know the whole story at this point.
But it’s certainly not good news – especially if he’s a repeat offender. Imagine if this happened to a football assistant (lucky for UMD it didn’t)!
I've read that Papa Harrison will be turned off by Hill's suspicion of DUI
but what about Kentucky assistant Rod Strickland? This was taken from an article when Strickland was arrested April 2010 for a DUI.
“Strickland, a former NBA star, has three previous DUI arrests, according to ABC News. The last was a 2001 incident in Virginia. According to the ABC news report, Strickland was convicted in 1998 for the same charge, and complete a year probation and 30 hours of community service. In 1999, he was acquitted of charges relating to driving drunk in Washington.”
I was waiting 4
that one too as I’m getting caught up reading the thread. Rod has other skeletons too!
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
it's suspicion of DUI so maybe he wasn't downing purple drank but was on the Bmore Blunt!
Streetcred HOLLA!
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
by Hey Yo! on Jan 20, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+.08
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
maybe .12 or more!!!
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by bball purist on Jan 20, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Apply the salary to the sports budget deficit after they fire his ass for not really earning his salary anyway!!
Maybe we can get an assistant that can produce recruits not DWI’s…just my opinion…
Rob Ehsan
Wish we still had him. Let’s let this entire situation play out in court before judging.
by CaptainTerp on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions
#3!
This is the 3rd significant run in with law enforcement our athletes/coaches have had since KA took over…….just sayin…..
we need a high # of DMV's
not high number of DUI’s
there's alot of early bashing going on
I agree hill is not in our best graces as it’s appearing that bino and spinelli are out-recruiting him. but seriously 2 dui’s doesn’t mean he’s an alcoholic. HAHA granted it may seem that way but it doesn’t mean that’s the case. possibly a case of bad timing.
the worst part is that he came in with such an incredible rep and we haven’t been aware of the results to this point. same way that edsall isn’t on the ‘favs’ list we have to wait and give him his fair due.
as bad as it may seem now, remember that there are coaches named Strickland and Fine who make their programs look bad as well.
a ‘suspicion of dui’. it’s a PR buzzkill but it’s suspicion.
by space_ on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Everyone Should Chill
Damage control on this issue seems relatively simple. Wait until the court case is resolved of course. If the charges are dropped, then it never happened. If he is convicted, you fire him and come out publicly about how the program will not tolerate poor decision-making from it’s leaders, etc etc. This only becomes a problem if Turgeon makes it a problem by trying to make excuses of sweep it under the rug, etc. Tackle it head on and it can become a positive as far a PR is concerned.
You're missing a point...
“Where are you getting your 1.5 million by the way? According to DringingandDriving.org:
900,000 are arrested each year for DUI/DWI and a full 1/3 of those are repeat offenders
That means there are basically 600,000 new DUI charges every year. So, by 2022 there would be 6 million people with DUIs out of approximately 190.6 million licensed drivers in the US (according to a 2000 report by the Federal Highway Administration). Those statistics don’t include unlicensed drivers or the turnover of new drivers (more people start driving every year than stop driving which is evident by the 23% increase from 1980 to 2000 and the 12% increase from 1990). In other words, there will probably 10-15% more drivers in 2010 and there will be the same increase in 2020.
Either way you slice it, that means there is still less than 1% (AKA not common) of the driving population with DUIs. Just give it up. You are wrong."
You’re arguing the number of new cases and/or repeat cases. What you’re missing is the 90% that DON’T get caught. Think about all thouse people who go out for lunch from work and have two or three drinks with lunch. Or those who go to a crab feast and have a few beers with their crabs. Every one of them is DUI when they get back behind the wheel. A good example is right here on the Skins. Stallworth was convicted of manslaughter after killing a guy while intoxicated. The night before he’s been out partying hard. Went home and went to bed. Early the next morning he went out to do whatever in his car and hit the ped. crossing the street. His blood alcohol level was .12….drunk and a half by the legal standards yet he’d had nothing to drink that morning. So don’t just base your comment on those caught because they are the tip of the iceburg.


















