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Florida State Blows By Maryland, 84-70, With Big Second-Half Run

I love Terrell Stoglin as much as the next guy, but sometimes he alone isn't enough to win games. Especially when the other team goes on 21-3 runs in the second half. Yeah, those are tough ones to win.

That was the case tonight. Maryland received a typically virtuoso performance from their star sophomore guard, but was bowled over in the second half by the Florida St. Seminoles, flying high after their 33-point stomping of North Carolina. Michael Snaer dropped in 19 and Ian Miller had another 18 for the Noles, who coasted to an 84-70 victory that dropped Maryland to 2-2 in the ACC.

The Terrapins had to play much of the first half with their frontcourt in foul trouble: Alex Len, James Padgett, and Berend Weijs all picked up two quick fouls, which forced Ashton Pankey into a ton of playing time. Mark Turgeon decided to gamble a bit and play Weijs to protect Len and Padgett, who played only five and six minutes in the first half, respectively. You can predict the result: Maryland's frontcourt had only one rebound, the Terrapins lost the battle of the boards 19-16, and Florida State center Bernard James went for 11 and 5 in the first half. Still, Maryland trailed only by three at the break, almost solely thanks to Terrell Stoglin's 13 points and 3 assists.

Stoglin's hot streak continued into the second half, scoring seven points right out of the gate and giving Maryland their first lead of the game. The Seminoles promptly answered with that aforementioned 21-3 run, giving FSU a 16-point lead and just about knocking the Terps out of the contest. Maryland hung around and had a few mini-runs to keep the score respectable, but were never a serious threat to retake the lead.

Maryland fought FSU blow-for-blow for most of the game until the gigantic run blew their doors off. That was the only time Florida State's lauded defense really imposed itself on Maryland: during that run, the Terrapins had nine possessions. Six of them were turnovers.

That's the kind of stretch that will emphasize everything wrong with a team. In Maryland's case, that's an over-reliance of Terrell Stoglin, poor transition defense, and poor and inconsistent frontcourt play. These are things that can be compensated for when the offense is firing and Stoglin is hitting. When the team isn't even getting shots off, they're deadly. Maryland got overpowered by a more complete and a stronger squad. That basic.

Star-divide

To begin with, Stoglin deserves some serious credit for carrying this team on his back (doe) all game long. He started out 6-10 from the field and 4-5 from the field for 20 points - meanwhile, no one else had more than 5. He finished up with 27 - no one else was in double-figures. You can look at this as a problem in the way Maryland is put together structurally - and it is - but it's not Stoglin's fault he's the only one who can score. He slowed down after that stretch, because, let's face it, he's human and can't score ever possession. But no one on Maryland has any idea how to help him out.

But what made Stoglin so good tonight was that he became a more complete player. He had four assists and only one turnover. He forced the issue less than he has in the past - even many of his second-half misses were wide-open looks that simply didn't fall. His defense still isn't where he it needs to be but he's getting much more active in all facets of the game. He's been a pet project (or peeve?) of Turgeon since arriving in College Park, and it seems like Stoglin has responded. It's good to see him becoming a more complete player; now it's time to work on everyone else.

Pe'Shon Howard? Nick Faust? Sean Mosley? Alex Len? Sorry, they're not there. In the case of Howard and Mosley, they'll probably never be the guy who can be a #2 scorer every night - Mosley is more situational than anything else, and Howard needs to focus on being a pure point guard and running the offense. Faust and Len could get there, but they're still freshman and far from where they need to be.

In fact, this has continued a really weak stretch for Howard. He finished with four points on 1-4 shooting with four assists and three TOs. He keeps trying to do too much with his passes, and the end result is pretty poor. Point guard play is more than A:TO ratio, but when your point guard's A:TO ratio is three times worse than Stoglin's - y'know, that guy who never passes and tries to force the issue - it's not a good sign. Howard needs to assert himself more in the halfcourt, and I don't mean taking more shots: he needs to be the floor general, force the offense to run sets when it needs to, and control the tempo more effectively than he's done.

Mosley was all but invisible offensively, which I guess shouldn't be too surprising: he's had a good stretch, but the hype surrounding him was premature. He is who he is right now, and that's a guy who's capable of putting up 15 any given night but won't do it every night. He's not going to look for his own shot, and Maryland didn't work to involve him in the offense otherwise.

Len is perhaps the most important guy to look at, because this was easily his least-impressive performance. He was completely overmatched physically against the interior tanks that are Bernard James and Xavier Gibson, and he simply got outmuscled all game long. But it wasn't all physical: you could see him get a little frustrated, and he wasn't nearly as active as we've seen. He'll get better, but hopefully this has shown everyone the areas he really does need to improve upon.

Guys like Faust, Mychal Parker, and Ashton Pankey didn't really change the paradigm tonight: they all looked like they've looked like in the past, which in this case is a good thing. All three are still young, growing, and getting better. Seeing Faust come back from a truly bad first half to score 10 in the second, even if all of them were in garbage time, was a pleasant sight. He's starting to look to take defenders off the dribble more, and he's such a better player when he does. I was more encouraged by him than I was anyone else.

As a team, the problems were everywhere, but were particularly bad in offensive execution and some sloppy defense. I had guessed in the preview that Stoglin getting the green light would be a way to break down FSU's vaunted defense, and it turned out that it was. Problem was, Stoglin eventually got cold, and Maryland couldn't so much as run a set successfully without him creating something. The offensive rebounding that won them games in the past was absent here, too. All things told, Maryland didn't shoot the ball poorly - in fact, the opposite is true, as they hit at a 50% rate, which was even better than FSU's 47%. No, the problem was that FSU had an extra 13 shot attempts. And that'll kill you.

The Seminoles also dominated the transition game, consistently beating Maryland back and getting some easy points that way. That, as much as Maryland's turnovers, fueled their gigantic run. Really, if you take out the easy points in transition and the easy putbacks, Florida State's halfcourt offense was pretty unimpressive. It wasn't good enough to win the game. They made up for it in other areas, of course, but boxing out and more hustling in transition cuts back on this drastically.

This was a tough loss. It was tough to watch Maryland collapse, especially because we've seen them beat high-major teams now. But I'll say now what I've said in every game recap: this is a building year. It was awful to watch, but the team will grow from this. (At least I pray they do, because I can't stand this for another year.) I would've liked to see more fight in the end, but they can look back, identify weaknesses, and rectify them. Maryland never needed to win this game, and good will still come of it.

In fact, if you're still entertaining delusions of grandeur and the NCAA Tournament, it's still possible. Not likely, but the path to 8 wins is still easily attainable. And hey: Maryland lost to FSU by less than UNC did. It's the small victories, people.

(Yes, sarcasm. But I wanted to end on a lighter note.)

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Actually no rant here

I came away oddly feeling more confident. Excluding a 4 minute period, we won that game. As a team, I am confident they will improve on that consistency. I also think had Turgeon been a bit more adept at identifying what was about to happen — a time out after the first breakdown could had made a huge difference.

by Custos on Jan 18, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

You can't look at games that way

You can’t take away a 21-3 run. It wasn’t like Maryland stopped trying. It was a combination of things. As you were watching the game you could tell that run was coming.

by jdwall12 on Jan 18, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

We really need to analyze what happened

in that 21-3 run. Was it just FSU’s defense that stymied us? I can’t believe that. Something about Dildokus’ two threes, hit us mentally. And it makes sense because we’re growing and rebuilding, but still.

Where in the fuck was Mosley, Padgett, and Len in the first half? They were NOWHERE. The stuff I saw from Weijs, Stoglin, and Pankey was better than their non-existence. This really fed into the second half, because they just weren’t there either.

This team needs a damn leader. Stoglin isn’t it and shouldn’t be. He’s a scorer, and he’s the go-to guy, but we need a damn leader who gets shit together. This will feed into everyone else. Honestly, Padgett, Howard…although he’s conspicuously absent all the fucking time, and (don’t kill me) Faust would be my top choices.

Faust impresses me more and more. And if you honestly take out his horrible shots…he looks damn good sometimes. He’s the only one, besides maybe Mychal, Padge, and Stogs, who looks like he wants to do something when he gets the ball. Others are just stuck with lethargy. SMHHHHHH

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Len and Padgett were on the bench man

we can blame them for the fouls, but they weren’t even in the game to try to score. Padgett picked up a quick 3rd foul in the 2nd half and sat for a while.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 18, 2012 5:07 AM EST up reply actions  

There may be only a very slight 'mental' aspect

to this defeat. Basically – FSU – at every position, was more experienced, stronger and tougher. We tried our hardest (great first half defense), but the bottom line is that from the 26-year old James (literally a man among boys) to the rest of their front line – and their wings/guards, they pushed, bullied and manhandled our guys. I’m not complaining about their play – I’m just saying that Pank, Padge & Len are mostly small body finesse guys and we did not match thier strength and toughness. We can and need to develop more toughness.

by WherestheBison on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Mosley is the team leader - no question

He was playing on 1 and 1/2 ankles last night – gutted it out but not the same as previous few games.

The games against the better teams are going to be tough. The guys have to work through them, and get better in the process.

You’re right about Nick. He’s doing the freshman turn the corner as we watch right before our eyes. If he minimizes the forced shots at times and takes it to the hole more, it will help his improvement moving forward.

TOs and FSU executing beautifully – cannot toally fault our guys – FSU had more answers last night.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

This...on the Mosley thing.

The guy has been playing hurt for most of this season, due to re-aggravating his ankle injury. He still battled as much as he physically could. I can complain about a lot of things last night, but Mosley’s effort is not one of them.

Outside of Stoglin, Mos has been the best thing about our team this year.

by 1 proud terp on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

After Stogs missed the corner 3

Did you see Sean busting it back to try and catch up down the floor? It took Stogs to catch up also running hard, but Sean impressed me still trying with the bum ankle.

And he is the best thing. And I see other improving players. Thus far, I’m still satisfied with the players’ and staff’s efforts.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to be real here.

FSU has a much more athletic team than we do, and is much deeper. I was impressed we hung with them on their floor as long as we did.

Faust is showing improvement. To score 10 against FSU at FSU as a freshman is pretty good in my book. He’s getting better, and that’s all we can ask of him.

My goal remains the same: shoot for 8-8 in the ACC and one good win. That will be tough but may be good enough to get us in the NCAAs.

Totally satisfied with this team’s performance over the last 4 games.

Fear the Turgle!

by NY Terp on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Will bowers

Just cussed out Sean Mosley. Someone please copy and paste under this post. Said he was an unathletic f*ck. time for the will bowers hate tweets to rain @bowersmax #nice6inchvertwilliam

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 12:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Bowers is and always will be a bum

Twitter whore with no class. Just wasted 2 minutes of my time going through straight filth on his Twitter feed..

by MD2006 on Jan 18, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Will Bowers?

Will ‘10.2 MPG my Senior year’ Bowers that played at Maryland? Will Bowers of the Iranian Super League? There are some big, goofy white guys that endear themselves to Maryland fans. You were not one of them.

by NAmstrong on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

The only reason Bowers got a scholarship here was that he was throw in on a Rudy Gay package deal.

What a bum.

"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage

by Jergs on Jan 18, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

11 am?

That cant be right

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

it’s not easy schdeuling a basketball game at a synagogue, on a saturday no less.

by fkterp on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

refs were not on their game

A lot of plays were called FSU’s way but a few ours too. Overall they werent the best

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

agreed

I thought their were some questionable ones, especially those just mentioned. Bottom line is FSU kicked our butts in the 2nd half. If we played better, there is no need for a MP blocked shot (which I think it was possibly a clean one – didn’t show replay), etc.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is part of home court advantage

especially on the Parker block which looked like a badly missed call from every angle. Refs get caught up in the emotion of the crowd and the game. Don’t think it’s intentional just human nature. They like hearing the crowd cheer just as much as the next guy.

by FHFAN on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not intentional

But they may have seen contact, or thought their was contact. If there was contact, by our eyes on the TV screen, it looked inconsequential at worst. Sometimes officials anticipate fouls that do not happen, sometimes the hand is quicker than the eye and it’s a tough call regarding steals (for example). As you I’ve said, I did it for over 9 years.

In the end, the better team usually wins 99+% of the time.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I never disliked a Maryland player more than Bowers

Like he ever did anything for Maryland basketball

by gianterp on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That can't be the real Will Bowers...

I just won’t believe it.

Children should be seen and not heard.

by CharlesDriesell on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't surprise me if it was

He was on another board a few years ago and was totally bashing Gary Williams. Love him or hate him as a coach, that was totally classless.

by gianterp on Jan 18, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I had no opinion of him...

other than the fact that he wasn’t an ACC caliber player. He may be a critic of Gary Williams, but I just don’t see him (or any former Maryland player) bashing anything Terps in such an unprofessional way. I just don’t see someone giving four years of their lives to something, and then doing that.

Children should be seen and not heard.

by CharlesDriesell on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

he's one of the more loathsome people I have ever met

lazy, stupid, arrogant, an asshole… pretty much anything bad you can think of. Not to mention an epically bad basketball player and a complete waste of size

Doubt, indulged and cherished, is in danger of becoming denial; but if honest, and bent on thorough investigation, it may soon lead to full establishment of the truth.
-Ambrose Bierce

by CorkyRasmit on Jan 18, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, let's start talking about players from 7 years ago

in a thread about last night’s game. Thanks for all that valuable insight about Will Bowers.

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

they are talking about my post further up

Bowers called out Mosley last night over twitter. Blaming the game on him to an extent

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That was about as good as I have seen a Leonard Hamilton team play

They overplay their man on D making hard to complete passes and they picked off a few of ours. That and their offensive rebounding are enough to keep them in games. When you let his teams get good looks in transition, they are tough. The shots off transition are what got their second-half run going.

by wmterp on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Our first half defense...

…was as good as it gets. We played a very good team who had very few turnovers on thier home court and stayed with them for a half. I saw a lot of positives from our guys, but felt for the first time that Turg did not substitute as effectively as in the past. Howard sat far to long in the second half and Faust too much in the first. We ciould use another consistant scorer which has been the case…and will be the case as we go forward…but over the last 5 games the scoring has been spread out more than ever. We continue to improve…waiting for all to come together soon.

by inman74 on Jan 18, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

One more thing...

What kept us from making a run at the end was our failure on the line…they made their free throws…we didn’t.

by inman74 on Jan 18, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Great observation...

I too think he’s a bad coach and his teams generally are very high or very low. Was surprised that they played so well given the obvious ‘sandwich’ potential of this game.

by WherestheBison on Jan 18, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Hamilton is a bad coach

In fact, I think he is good coach. His teams play tough D. Height is a big factor in his recruiting. Even the guards are big. Big guards on the wings are tough in a zone and they making passing difficult when they are in man-to-man. So, scoring on his teams is work. The downside for his teams is that those big guards usually don’t handle the ball very well. Gary pressed his teams very effectively. Almost all teams just force FSU into a half-court game where they have to rely ball control and passing. What I meant in my comment is that FSU can look very good if you let them play to their strengths and that we did last night.

by wmterp on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts and Feelings

This was more frustrating to watch than if they had just been completely blown out. Simply for the fact that they competed for about 25 minutes and then just got sloppy. The main problem is that they don’t have a second scorer and no one seems to want to step into that role yet. We saw flashes of Moseley against lesser opponents, but he was basically absent this game (bad ankle or not). With no second scoring option, it seems that the team is content just standing around watching Stoglin dribble around and then chuck one up (Kobe syndrome). The only problem with that (because Stoglin is basically our best chance of winning. In fact whoever complains that Stoglin takes too many shots is insane) is that they aren’t even trying to get in position for an offensive rebound like they have been earlier in the year. I say this loss rested solely on the shoulders of our frontcourt for the most part. They got out played, out muscled, out rebounded, out scored, out matched, etc. This brings me to point #1…

1. Rebounding
When Mychal Parker is your #1 rebounder for the game the chances of you winning are substantially diminished. He lead the team with 7, Moseley had 5. When our guards are out rebounding our bigs, games will be lost. If I was Turge, I would have yanked the frontcourt and put the walk-ons in. That was how frustrating that rebounding effort was from our bigs. No one got a body on ANYONE. Even guards were swooping in and getting their own misses. Rebound drills only until Temple for our frontcourt. They shouldn’t even think about offense until they have run a bunch and done rebounding drills for 4 straight practices. Saying they were horrid would be an understatement. Sure FSU players went over the back on occasion, but they had the desire, which is key.

2. Defense
Again, the bigs were beat consistently all night. Whether it was off the dribble or in the pick and roll game, they got torched. The guards did a decent job of playing deny basketball out on the perimeter. In fact besides some wide open 3 looks, FSU looked mediocre. We just made their interior look like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. Not to take away from FSU’s bigs they are decent, but our frontcourt was horrible. They didn’t move their feet, instead they fouled (hence the foul trouble). Then on top of the poor interior defense, we didn’t get back on defense, leading to multiple fastbreak opportunities. Add sloppy plays in our halfcourt offense that lead to breakaways=21-3 run that blew the game open for FSU.

3. Free Throws
Our other achilles heel amongst many is free throw shooting. We went 17-27. That’s 62% That won’t win you ACC ball games. In fact it will get you blown out of ACC ball games. Faust especially left like 4 points out on the floor. Pad your stats youngin! Padge and Weijs, sure, but the guards seriously need to tune up their free throw shooting.

4. Calls
Lets face it. The refs were fucking horrible tonight. Aside from the obvious Homer calls, they were just plain bad. That Moseley strip on the baseline, literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF, resulted in 2 points. I understand that you have to play through bad calls, but at one point FSU was up 13 and they were calling ticky tack, bitchmade fouls that didn’t even remotely resemble an actual foul. Meanwhile, on the other side it seemed like the FSU squad got away with more than a few reach ins and pushes. If they had been in CP, there would have been more than a couple fans ejected because of saying stuff or actually going up to them and punching them in the face. I know I wanted to.

The Good:
Stoglin- What more can you ask of the guy? I mean he is a fantastic scorer and his defensive is improving.

Faust showed that he can basically take anyone off the dribble at anytime and that he has a good mid-range jumper. More of that please! And Parker had a couple nice moments, especially that monster dunk during garbage time. I would love to see him get more minutes with Turge encouraging him to be more aggressive. I think he could be a big time scorer if he wanted to. He gets into the lane pretty much at will, and has the athleticism to finish over bigger defenders. All it takes is confidence.

Overall:
I think our youth was glaring tonight. We had no go to guys other than Stoglin and we simply handed FSU a win towards the middle of the 2nd half with sloppy play and poor defense. We were in this game with the potential to win and just basically gave it away because of silly silly turnovers. Like making a simple pass back to the top of the key. They stole that lazy sloppy pass back to the point guard ALL FUCKIN NIGHT (excuse my french). Hopefully we will learn from a loss like this (A winnable game). I didn’t think I would say this, but Maryland is actually a lot more talented than a lot of teams in the ACC, but doesn’t know how to win games yet. Turge just needs to keep pushing and teach these kids how to win.

*All Terp Everything*

by asianterp on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

youth

It kills us on inconsistency. We need to nip it in the bud and develop good habits. Also, we seem to give up at times on D…hate seeing us just zone out. To win you need to give 100 all the time.

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Easy on the bigs

The 1st half Weijs, Pankey and Padgett battled tough with Florida St’s frontline, which is as big and deep as any in the country. FSU has 3 seniors 6’10" + that are monsters- MD has inexperienced skinny guys.

by Asnis71 on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Shoreterp comment on asianterp -Very Good!

A very good Synopsis! Also, a very good breakdown of our weaknesses! i

I would only add and note, that we have to accept the "old Charlie Eckman saying—Can’t make “Chicken Soup Outta Chicken feathers!”. We probably won’t have or develop that second scorer this year (maybe and probably next year or if we can get lucky that Faust and/ or Parker develop before the AAC Tournament, but that’s probably a “stretch”.

Big Men, here’s where Old Eckman is really on the mark, as you noted, Too Weak! and Too Young! Len, Weis too weak period (NO Hope!), Len needs time and hit the weights and training table (Plenty of potential, just need time and getter older). As for the 3-P’s (Pankey,
Pagett, & Parker) Too Young and it will take time for the Coaches to penetrate their brains 9nice way to say beat into the head) on playing-intensity, blocking out, holding on to the ball, crahing the boards, etc. They all could develop and have shown tremendous improvement, but they HAD a “long way to go” and still do.

I do have faith that Turg will get it done, but I see it as, “too far to go, this year” especially building the strength needed (Len). The REAL PERDUE (Chicken) MEAT a-coming next year
and whole Chicken in the next few years.

PS- You also right-on on the refs — probably didn’t cost us the game, but certainly made it sure as hell that any chance we had, wasn’t gone to happen. Touch fouls on us, meanwhile there pounding the “Sh….” outta us, and I stopped counting “over the back’s” when the few times our guys did have position.

Let’s go with “the old Orioles (applies to new O’s saying too) — Wait till Next Year!”

by Shoreterp on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching a basketball game and a football game broke out

We needed Joe Vellano and AJ Francis to come in and block the lane. None of our guys could resemble a defense.
Stogs took about 8 completely unbalanced shots, Padge missed an open dunk and the refs were ignoring horse collar tackles.
FSU plays big and rough, with plenty of depth, and will win most of their home games with their refs. However, on tobacco road, they’ll have trouble. I can’t see Puke ever winning there.
And why on earth didn’t Turge pull out Mosley?. He was playing with 1 leg for godssake. Terrible game for us overall, and probably a show of things to come.

by Snappin Terp on Jan 18, 2012 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

FSU just gave everyone the blueprint on how to beat us

Stogs will get his. Not much you can do about that but take everyone else out of the game and we can’t win. Those blatant bad calls didn’t help at all either. When and ex-Dookie even sides with MD, you know its a bad call.

by terpsallday on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

Idle thoughts:

1) FSU’s 21-3 run took about 4 minutes. Take away those 4 minutes, and we win, 67-63. Another way to look at it is we stayed with them for 36 minutes.

2) Our greatest weakness next year might very well be at PG.

3) Shaq Cleare can’t get here soon enough.

4) We still need someone (ideally two people) who can score aside from Stogs.

5) This was a game – I’m guessing – 80% of us expected to lose before the season started.

6) Can anyone spell transition defense; it’s telling when your 7’1" center is the only one getting back on defense…even if it only happened once…inexcuseable.

7) Jake Layman can’t get here soon enough.

8) Seth Allen can’t get here soon enough.

by curterp on Jan 18, 2012 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

now I get why turge wants seth to work on being a pg

we are going to need to have him and stog on the court at the same time (assuming that he’s the scorer we think he is)

that, another year to put some fuzz on len’s kiwis, a big body in the paint, and a lot of really athletic role players and I think we’re pretty legit next year

a lot depends on whether seth can step in and be an acc caliber pg his freshman year because I see Pe as a solid backup, nothing more

Doubt, indulged and cherished, is in danger of becoming denial; but if honest, and bent on thorough investigation, it may soon lead to full establishment of the truth.
-Ambrose Bierce

by CorkyRasmit on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

"fuzz on lens kiwis"

Welp. Thats a night folks.

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

we need to recruit a PG

I don’t get why we’re trying to teach shooting guards to be point guards.

I also don’t get why we’re trying to recruit shooting guards right now. We have one of the best in the ACC, and Faust and Allen. How many SG’s do we need? We only have one PG right now and he’s not elite. Look what happens if he gets injured or gets in foul trouble.

Muggsy -- 2,318 career NBA rebounds.

by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

recruiting guards

Turge is going hardcore after true Point Guards in 2013. Jump in on some of the recruiting threads and you’ll see about every other week another new name emerges at that position.

As for the shooting guard spot: We have Stoglin and Faust. Once Stoglin is gone, you have Faust and Allen, although at this point Allen is the backup point so you really have no one. Turge is recruiting not only his players, but he is recruiting depth.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 18, 2012 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Faust can play the 2 or 3

I expect once Stoglin leaves he’ll move to the 2 spot to allow Layman to start as well, if Layman is as good as advertised.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

we're not recruiting many PG's

I’ll count Harrison, but that’s a pipe dream. Then what? Roddy peters? Cassell? Who else?

Muggsy -- 2,318 career NBA rebounds.

by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 18, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they've been all over 2013 PGs

I can’t think of them all, but they’ve yet to offer Peters although as bad as he wants them to I feel like if they do he’d commit on the spot. He is more of a combo guard though, albeit a better PG than Allen is at the moment. If you look back through the fan posts you’ll see quite a few called out when news comes around that they’ve been down watching them.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The latest is Tyler Ennis

per IMS. There were a bunch of others too, forget them all.

by Nihonterp on Jan 18, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rysheed Jordan...

…he and Ennis are both 5-stars per Scout.

by curterp on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually witty you on this end, could definitely use a pure point in 2012

They’re looking for guys in 13 but we could use one this year. And I don’t mean another combo like Sam Cassell Jr.

by Ben Broman on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

This is where

Branch would have been great. Eligible for Dec 2012. DAMNITTTTTT

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

reply to Ben -- This year?

Ben, I think you meant to say, They’re looking for guys in 13 but we could use one “NEXT” year. Gary didn’t leave “ONE for this Year!”

by Shoreterp on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Reply to Ben II

Sorry, you actually did say that in the header!

by Shoreterp on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

6) Can anyone spell transition defense; it’s telling when your 7’1" center is the only one getting back on defense…even if it only happened once…inexcuseable.

If you’re thinking of the play I am, Len got the ball stripped from him at the top of the key. He was the only guy with a chance to get back on D.

Most of the transition points were scored off similar situations where a pass at the top of the key/on the wing was intercepted. Its difficult for more than a player or two to get back. This is much more understandable than a rebound/outlet where the team is too lazy to get back.

by Terps12 on Jan 18, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at it from FSU's viewpoint, take away the 36 minutes and

they win 21-3. They were favored by 11.5 points, so oddsmakers were pretty much on target.

by nonstopjoe on Jan 18, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Experimental line-up that will probably never happen but would be interesting to see at some point in a game...

Stoglin pg
Faust sg
Parker sf
Padget pf
Len c

I like the slashers you’d get with this line-up

by terpsontop on Jan 18, 2012 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

agree but replace len with pankey

And slap him on the butt and ask him to go wild.

Like your lineup…agree with you thats probs the best.

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:07 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Pe's really not playing well...I love him...

but we’ve got to have more scoring options. Parker and Faust are also good, long, athletic defenders and could certainly pose match-up problems!

by WherestheBison on Jan 18, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If we're looking for growth

Lets look at Nick Faust. Faust stopped throwing things at the basket in the second half and started taking composed midrange jumpers and he started to look like a scorer. He looks to me at this point in his career as a slasher with a midrange game and solid defensive potential. He’s playing more than he should but he’s growing. If we’re looking for areas that we could use a bit more growth, lets look at the front court. Yes this is FSU’s strength, but Alex Len has evaporated in three straight games (except for a running hook at 3 silly fouls I barely noticed he was playing) and its becoming a problem. He’s the most talented and athletic big guy we have, but he’s not strong enough and he’s having trouble adjusting to the US game. I’ve heard so much about his jumper but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him take one AND he keeps missing free throws so I’m not encouraged. Not bashing the kid because his upside is enormous, but I’d like to see a little more toughness to go with that athleticism.

Honestly it looked like FSU was sort of sleep walking through the game until Maryland took the lead and then they dropped 21 points in about 4 minutes and the Terps basically said, okay, we’ll stop trying so hard, just please don’t kick us anymore.

Didn’t like the fight, but we’re being positive right. Mosely looked dinged so he gets a pass, the front court got beat up by the the most physical bigs in the conference (be interesting to see how much physicality they get away with at Cameron, I hope they let ‘em play, cause they can beat Duke) so its tough to be too dissapointed. Meanwhile Stogs, Howard and Faust are getting better at slashing and creating shots for others, I still think some of the TO’s come from a lack of playing time as a unit (as Pe’ and Len just started playing in December) so I still expect improvement, even if this was a little step back.

by MountainTerp on Jan 18, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

I actually thought we looked like we were sleepwalking more than them (as compared to our at home intensity)

They were beating us down the court for easy lay ins early on, We weren’t closing out on 3-point shooters as well as we have been recently…They were getting a bunch of offensive rebounds especially James…

I thought we could’ve used more energy at points.

Most of your other points I agree with though.

"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach

by TurtleShel716 on Jan 18, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Something to remember

Faust and Len are true freshmen — and they are playing like true freshmen in the big time.

by Runningcloud on Jan 18, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of good signs tonight -- we just got manhandled by their frontcourt

And they have a pretty good frontcourt. A lot of size and a lot of muscle.

Faust and Parker will be really good at some point. Really good.

Muggsy -- 2,318 career NBA rebounds.

by Muggsy Bogues on Jan 18, 2012 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

Couldn't adjust to their athleticism

How many times were our passes deflected/intercepted because we underestimated their quickness and length on defense. This doesn’t show up on the stat sheet, but surely shows up in the film (Actually their 10 steals show up in the stat sheet, but the deflections don’t). We were outplayed and relatively overmatched for the entire game. The poorer shooting in the first half by FSU is what kept us in the game. Once they started hitting their 3’s (I think four in that 21-3 run) we couldn’t maintain. Also, going 17-27 from the line didn’t help much, either.

Florida State was the bigger, more athletic, and better team and Maryland is who we thought they were.

by Terps12 on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Len had a jump shot?

Can we see it, please? I don’t remember seeing him take one yet. I don’t want him taking 3’s, but can’t he take an 8-footer occasionally?

by Reston on Jan 18, 2012 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

The next 6 games are tough. I’m hoping just to split… Is anybody else excited for next year when we get depth? This team is going to be fun to watch

If a player doesn't chose Maryland it doesn't make him a bum

by valenciais1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

maryland got beat by a better team. fl st. was bigger, more athletic and their players have better overall basketball skills. they have more guys who can shoot the ball.

by fkterp on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly

We probably would have lost anyways, but that was one of the worst officiated games I’ve ever seen, at any level. Those refs were an embarrassment to the sport of basketball. They should be tarred and feathered outside of Comcast the night of the Dook game.

by terpskin on Jan 18, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Agree- tought to complain about the refs in a 14 pt game

but if the refs are going to allows FSU’s frontline to manhandle teams, FSU isnt going to lose many games. They have at least 4 guys that are 6’10"+, strong and athletic- if theyre able to go over the top of box outs for rebounds, set moving screens, and throw guys out of the way in the paint on off and def, MD isnt going to beat them

by Asnis71 on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

After those dagger threes went down

we eventually found ourselves down 13 right around the 12 minute automatic timeout… Turge used horrible judgement in time management

Turgeons opportunities to use 1 timeout
1. he didn’t use a timeout after loukes made it back to a 10 point game after stoglin drained a three on the other end.
2. should have used a timeout after Bernard James dunk
3. down 13 he tried to gamble and steal some minutes away from Stoglin. There was a foul before the auto 12 timeout and had a chance to get stoglin back in the game but didn’t. Then the auto12 minute timeout happened and he didn’t get Stoglin back into the game… I believe by the time Stoglin was back in the game it went to 15 points and stayed that way

by Matt Mil on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Seems clear to me that when the front court wins that battle, we win the game

Stoglin will get his points. He’s had, what 2 games where he didn’t?

When our front court is better than the opposing teams, we’re pretty much guaranteed a win. It opens up everyone in the backcourt and not just Stoglin. It does help Stoglin, but I think it REALLY helps guys like Mosely, Parker and Faust (nothing seems to help Pe unfortunately) But that also means that when we’re playing teams like FSU, NCSt and UNC, we’re going to have LOTS of problems. And this is not to take away from those front court players. They are actually doing better than I anticipated and playing reasonably well, but are still not at an elite level as a group (or really anyone individual either).

By only looking at some quick stats (team rebounding and blocks) and a quick eye test it would appear that UNC, NCST, FSU have the best front courts in the conference. That might give some confidence at upsets against UVA and playing well against VT, Miami, Clemson and BC.

Duke is probably the one exception to this rule. Their guard play is SO strong it might not matter if our front court wins the battle against them.

by tERP01 on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I have the solution

Chris Thomas!!!!! He just left another HS. Dave Telep tweeted that he thinks this will be enough for most elite programs to shy away…. thats que for MD here is your golden opportunity to get that elite SF who can score in bunches. MD was recruiting him while he was attending HS in MD.

I have wanted this kid badly.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103398/chris-thomas

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Moneyball

Lets also recruit Bradford. His weakness? He’s SHOOTS funny!

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No no no no no no

Thomas is an extraordinary talent, as good as any in the class. He’s also a knucklehead who’s been tossed out of 4 or 5 of his AAU games for technicals. Not a fit with Turgeon.

by Ben Broman on Jan 18, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Bino takes a flyer on him

ELITEEEE talent for sure. I still think he is realistically top 5 talent in 2013. While some of the big schools will avoid him, I think this is exactly the type of player that MD should target. We need a scoring maching and he is one. He plays with a lot of emotion, evident through your example of technicals. Ill take America’s bad boy and let him tear up the ACC. If he gets kicked out of a game or two, ahh ok. My thought being he wins us way more games then he would lose us by having the opposing team shoot a pair of free throws for a technical.

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You are exactly right Charlotte

We need the next Dennis Rodman. Bad boys can be coached, if your name is Turgeon…

by Snappin Terp on Jan 18, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He's Lance Stephenson-esque. Really, he's probably not worth it so early in Turgeon's tenure.

The worry isn’t that he’d get a technical. The Harrisons get t’d up all the time and no one really worries about them. No one doubts their attitude, their work ethic, their coachability. Thomas, OTOH, hasn’t stayed at the same school for more than one year. Coaches avoid him like the plague. There’s a reason he was talking about Arizona, Kentucky, Kansas, and Florida a year ago and now his top three are Xavier, Iowa State, and Missouri.

Don’t get me wrong: his talent is absurd, and I have a weak spot for these types of guys – see the Born Ready saga. But Turgeon doesn’t. As much as I wouldn’t mind seeing Maryland sniff around on him, I’d save yourself some heartache and just let this one go right away.

by Ben Broman on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What about one and done

I think he is good enough to go one and done. Given that he likes to move around this might be a glimpse into the future. Come play for one year and help MD have the best SG/SF its had since Dixon/Francis and move on. I think he is better than the Harrisons talent wise. His ranking is a relection of the issues you have mentioned. If freaking Xavier or Iowa State lands a 5 star and MD doesnt I am going to blow a gasket.

by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure that changes things drastically

Still has to co-exist with Turgeon for a year. I mean Turge has been butting heads with Terrell Stoglin since he got on campus and Stoglin isn’t that strong a personality.

by Ben Broman on Jan 18, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Bought three points at 11

for the FSU game and of course it pushed.

NOT going to bet on the Terps again this year. Learned a lesson!

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Totally forgot about buying the points.

Glad to have that 50 bucks back. Never bet on the Terps…WAY too volatile.

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 2:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

yeah

i dont bet on them. have enough of a rooting interest i dont need action also

by terpskin on Jan 18, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ha. yeah. seriously.

CBB is really hard to bet on also.

by db0255 on Jan 18, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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