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First Look at Maryland-Florida State: Terps Travel to Tallahassee to Face Confident Noles

Florida State: awesome defense, terrible offense, and puzzling results since 2009.

That was Chris Singleton's freshman year, for what it's worth. It was also when Florida State elevated their defense from merely "great" and took it to "insane." In the three complete seasons since then, FSU's defense has been ranked in KenPom #12, #1, and #1. This year, they're #4. In other words: they're a really, really good defense. (Pe'Shon Howard, please come to play.)

But in that same timeframe, no one's really known FSU for their great offense. (In fact, oftentimes it seems that if their offense was decent they'd be a near-elite team.) They're usually average at best in most offensive categories, and sometimes much worse than average. No difference this year: they're the most turnover-prone team in the ACC, averaging a turnover every fourth possession, and are 11th in the conference in three-point shooting percentage. They managed only 41 points against Harvard and scored only 10 points in the first half against Princeton. They've failed to crack 60 three times this season.

And that leads to some very strange results, as it always seems to do with FSU.

Star-divide

Two days ago, they blasted then-#3 UNC in Tallahassee. And I mean blasted. They won by 33 freaking points.

You know what happened exactly a week before then? They lost to Clemson by 20. (Clemson, remember, is 9-8 with losses to College of Charleston, Coastal Carolina, UTEP, and Hawaii.) Shortly before that, they had lost to Princeton in Tallahassee.

In fact, before running UNC out of the building on Saturday, FSU lacked a single quality win. The closest might be a victory over Virginia Tech on the road, but VT is 0-3 in the conference and lack a quality win themselves. They came close to knocking off UConn earlier in the year on a neutral court, but fell short in overtime. They didn't come particularly close to beating Michigan State or Florida.

So how do you assess this resumé? I have no idea.

Much like Georgia Tech, it's pretty clear that they're playing over their heads right now. And I don't mean that to sound demeaning in any way, but no team is 33 points better than UNC. You could put UNC up against the Miami Heat and they probably wouldn't lose by 33. But it's also clear that they're not as bad as some of their earlier results might've shown. Which set of results is more fluky? That's the big question. It's also nigh-unanswerable, so let's instead look at what we can see: the great defense and the middling offense.

Defensively, FSU is still an absurdly efficient unit. They're intense, they're high-pressure, and they relish defending. They're fourth in the country in eFG% with suffocating and well-run man-to-man defense, allowing very few open looks. They're first in the ACC in defensive turnover percentage. They rarely let players get to the free-throw line. Teams shoot only 26% from beyond-the-arc against the Seminoles, second-best in the conference. Bernard James and Xavier Gibson are both fantastic shot-blockers and have the Noles at first in the ACC in blocks, too.

You've seen this manifest itself in most every game they've played this year. It was a big reason they knocked off UNC so easily. The Tar Heels weren't at their best, mind you, but keeping them to 33% shooting (4-21 from three) with 22 turnovers - seven from Kendall Marshall - is an incredible feat. That was Carolina's lowest point total of the season - and in case you're wondering, it had nothing to do with the pace. There were 76 possessions in that game, which is in line with Carolina's season average.

Are you looking for a preview into what Maryland might be facing against the Seminoles' vaunted unit? Look back at the Alabama game in Puerto Rico. The Crimson Tide are only one spot behind FSU in KenPom's defensive efficiency ratings, so they're very similar units. And you might remember that Maryland scored only 42 and lost the game by 20. Not a good sign.

Of course, there's one big difference between the Maryland team that played against Alabama and the one that'll play against FSU: Pe'Shon Howard. We've learned that Pe' is hardly a fix-all for Maryland's offense, but I'd still like to have him around facing a suffocating bunch like this. He does need to improve, though, and do it fast; FSU frustrated Kendall Marshall, and while I love Pe', he isn't Kendall Marshall. He'll be one of the big keys to this one.

Perhaps the only thing FSU doesn't do particularly well is box out, as they have very average defensive rebounding numbers. James Padgett doing garbage work is going to be another must.

I'm not a coach, nor a fantastic basketball mind, but I can't help but wonder how big a role a chucker like Terrell Stoglin might play in this. FSU's defense is based on disrupting offensive rhythm and forcing bad shots ... but isn't that what Stoglin does anyway? Why not just cut out the middle man? Heck, he still has like a 40% hit rate when he does that anyway. If it's been 15 minutes and the game is looking like it'll probably go, I wonder if Turgeon will consider giving Stoglin the green light. If he gets enough looks, it's bound to fall eventually.

The good news is that FSU is a very poor offensive unit. They always seem to lack a point guard - Michael Snaer and Deividas Dulkys do not count, people - and the whole operation kind of comes crashing down. They're insanely turnover-prone, which is an area Maryland's going to have to look to exploit more than they have, and they don't shoot the ball very well in the halfcourt. A lot of FSU's points come off turnovers, but when they're forced to play halfcourt offense they'll struggle. Maryland's team defense has improved greatly this year, and if they have another strong performance, there won't be a lot points in this one.

Of course, the real paradox here is a very bad offense scoring 90 points against North Carolina. Obviously, they weren't quite so bad two nights ago. The biggest difference came from Dulkys, the Lithuanian swingman who shot the leather off the ball. Dulkys is historically a sniper, don't get me wrong, but before Saturday's game he was shooting 32% from three and averaging 6 points per game. On Saturday, he ended up shooting 12-14 from the field and 8-10 from three for 32 points.

Guys in the NBA 3-Point Contest don't shoot 80% from deep against air. That's being in a zone of epic proportions. For a statistical comparison, that would be akin to Nick Faust just bustin' out one day going 6-11 from beyond the arc en route to 37 points. It's awesome, yes, but it's also something I wouldn't bank on happening every day. Dulkys will, at some point, cool off. Hopefully by Tuesday.

If he does, then FSU will be normal FSU and not have too much of an offense to rely upon. Dulkys is usually a bit part, actually; the real big piece is usually Michael Snaer, a former top-10 recruit who can probably be considered the second coming of Mike Jones. (Difference being, of course, that Leonard Hamilton can't afford to sit Snaer, who sometimes looks like their only real scoring option.) Snaer's averaging about 13 points per game, but he's not particularly efficient and probably won't really scare most defenses. He needs to be accounted for, but doesn't have that extra gear that a lot of elite scorers, like Terrell Stoglin, usually have.

Like Maryland, the Noles actually recently got a big addition in the form of Ian Miller, a 6-3 combo sophomore who wasn't available for the first semester. He's not starting and has hardly been the point guard that FSU really needs (A:TO of 0.7:1.7) but he's been a big scoring option and is dangerously quick. The third offensive option is Bernard James, who doesn't have much a developed post game but is sort of like their James Padgett, at least in the offense.

The one area they really do have success in is offensive rebounding, which makes sense given their size and willingness to work. Maryland will have to make a concerted effort to avoid giving up second chances. Conversely, as mentioned before, FSU turns the ball over at an alarming rate, about once every four possessions. Getting those turnovers and then converting them, especially in transition, will be crucial; every possession not spent battling the Noles in the half-court is a victory for me. Nick Faust might be especially useful in this area.

It's tough tell whether it's a good thing Maryland's getting FSU after the UNC upset or not. On one side, there's a chance the Terrapins could be the beneficiaries of a letdown game. On the other, FSU now has confidence and is playing their best ball of the season. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if the Noles had to travel to Comcast for this one, a tepid an arena as it is, but it is what it is.

Literally no outcome would surprise me in this game. I'd probably be a little dazed by a Maryland blowout, but otherwise: I could easily see Maryland with the upset, or Florida State in a close one, or Florida State running away with it. It's an easy out and sounds hack-ish, but c'mon: this a team that a week ago lost to Clemson by 20 and then beat UNC by 33. How am I supposed to figure out which team they really are?

Good news is that we don't have to wait long to find out. The game tips tomorrow at 9:00, and will be on ESPNU. (You see, lazy people? I made you read all the way down here to find this. No more easy outs for you.) This season is about to get serious.

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Why do the Terps seem to always get a home game on Sunday followed by a road game on Tuesday? That leaves no time for practice between games. I remember Gary complaining about this type of scheduling.

by TerpFan2001 on Jan 16, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

KA

Cuz kevin anderson is the worst

by amaymon on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Preview

Love MD BB. Especially when each game appears more important than the last. I have a few questions.

Any news on Stoglin’s back?

Is this a game where the Terps try to increase OL’s touches or do they take what the Noles give them? I don’t see this game as a teaching opportunity given the Noles defensive excellence.

I believe last night’s win was more of a function of excellent defense on the Terps part. Do we have insight asnto how the Noles are preparing for the Terps?

Great article, Ben. Thanks.

R-hgr

by HughGR on Jan 16, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

how they are preparing for MD?

Play there normal defense. Ben’s article articulated there defense well, but if you have never seen FSU play defense you really need to, it is nasty how well they defend. That being said, they were the #1 defense last year and knocked off Duke, only for MD to beat them on national television at Comcast.

If Pe’ can’t get the handle on the ball though, this game is going to be ugly. MD already has a turnover problem this year, they don’t need to play a top 5 defensive team to show it.

by djcarv2005 on Jan 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I meant how will FSU prepare for MD's defense

I’ve seen way too much of FLST’s defense. It is nasty, but beatable. But their offense has been correspondingly woeful at times. The point made about the limited preparation time + flight to FL makes me a bit queasy about the Terp’s chances. But I seriously doubt that an otherwise little known bench player is going to fire off 5 treys against the Terps is going to happen again. I think MT has coached that tendency out of the team AND FLST used that approach vs UNC and it won’t work twice.

The key is tha wacko fans at FL ST. Still only our second road game.

r-hgr

by HughGR on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Actaully
But I seriously doubt that an otherwise little known bench player is going to fire off 5 treys against the Terps is going to happen again.

I would contend that this is sort of par for the course for the Terps =/

by NAmstrong on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think HughGR

asks a very pertinent question. Ben, I argee with your comments about Stoglin’s game but have to wonder about the status of his back. Could than prevent him from going off as you think he might need to.

Also like HughGR, I’m wondering about the offensive status of Len. He’s not been very assertive in the last 2 games and seems to have been bothered by size and pressure which he’ll see plenty of tomorrow night. I think he’s going to have to become more of an offensive threat for the Terps to continue to be successful. (The upside is that from what we’re seeing so far I don’t think we have to be too concerned about him being a 1 and done.)

It is, Ben, another cogent analysis. The only place I strongly disagree is that I’d be stunned by a Maryland romp. I mean if the Terps can’t romp against Samford at home….

by FHFAN on Jan 16, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Stoglin

I think if MD gets down fast they’ll give Stoglin the green light. That being said though, how is his back? back injuries can really limit your agility in terms of navigating the lane and being able to drive like Stoglin does.

Ben brings up a good point though, over half of Stoglin’s shots are ugly in the first place, so how much will FSUs defense affect him?

by djcarv2005 on Jan 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. Turge wants to win more than anybody, but he wants to win both now and in the future. To do that, he know that he has to win his way. He isn’t going to simply back down on his coaching philosophies because we are losing a random ACC game. He is thinking beyond that. Moreover, he doesn’t think we can win by simply letting Stoglin dribble until he can create something for himself. He won’t start thinking that is true just because we aren’t winning some other way.

I am a huge fan of Turge. This team is way overperforming. He can do what he please as far as I am concerned. But I am sure he won’t simply toss his coaching philosophy out the winder in game 4 of his first ACC season.

by nmprisons on Jan 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nice post?

Great post. Who thinks this much about the Terps outside of the coaching staff? No one more than this guy and this site! Thanks for your hard work and passion.

More manna please in FL… analyze and pick apart all we want but I think it comes down to finding ways to win and wanting it and working for it more when it counts the most. MT was an amazing hire and this team and program for that matter which was written off this year is truly not interested in being skipped over for next year.

Can not wait to see them tomorrow night on the U and then in person at the Palestra aka Philly’s Cole!

by Ardmoreari on Jan 16, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Hey Ardmoreari.... any idea what the scalp situation is at Palestra

thinkin’ about poppin’ up that way… any insight would be great…

and yea… Great Post Ben!!! Love getting the scouting reports from you!

by pveetvee on Jan 16, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Good question...

I have no idea. My first time going the P. If its like any other sporting event up here than iit shouldn’t be a problem but it is an early game so not sure what the game day tix situation will be like.

Temple does have a good following even more so this year with Nova being down so it could be a hard one to get as well.

But thanks to whomever scheduled b2b games up here!

by Ardmoreari on Jan 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

If you remember Cole...

…then you will love the Palestra. The place has soul. Spent a few years in Philly, and a lot of the folks in the Palestra are merely BB fans – not necessarily fans of the teams that are playing. I would not be surprised to see a huge contingent of MD fans at the Temple game, though. we are pretty popular in Philly because they have no ACC team to follow.

r-hgr

by HughGR on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the info y'all

Sounds like a good time to me…. gonna be another tough game though

by pveetvee on Jan 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Cant help myself...

Nothing was better than sitting in Cole as a fly on the wall watching Gary and Walt practice under sanctions with nothing to coach or play for other than pride and school!

I remember and miss Cole.

by Ardmoreari on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

One advantage we may enjoy...

we are the ‘sandwich’ game between their stomp of UNC and their trip Puke on Saturday. Other than that…not too confident unless we can somehow create another couple scoring options both in the post – LEN; and from the perimeter – PE or FAUST…?

by WherestheBison on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

perfect set up!

I think we sneak up on ‘em while they’re dreaming about beating UNC and then Duke

by pveetvee on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I trust Ben Broman's eyes

more than KenPom’s statistics. According to KenPom, we are 5th in the conference. The conference I am speaking of is the Ivy league(behind Harvard, Princeton, Pennsylvania and Yale)

by jfnatalie on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately, I can't watch every game

And advanced statistics are very useful, actually, and are usually right-on by the time the ACC season ends. Remember that KenPom can’t account for things like injuries/suspensions, as we’re a very different (and probably a little better) team than we were earlier in the year.

by Ben Broman on Jan 16, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree but

I am probably just sad that he put even the simple things I can understand behind the paywall. I used to like looking the MD schedule and seeing the projected final scores of each game.

by jfnatalie on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The stats can also throw you off

if part of you statistics are based off of points per game. Don’t you think that Turg plays with the stats a bit? What I mean is; he doesn’t over coach the players against lessor opponents, but takes the opportunity to teach his players to improve their game. The end result is a closer than expected game, but the long run produces a better team. I’ve noticed that in several games this year. Couldn’t that throw off the statistics a bit?

by Joniterp on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Quotes that are probably not true.

“You could put UNC up against the Miami Heat and they probably wouldn’t lose by 33.”

by db0255 on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I would bet on the Miami Heat at -33 over UNC.

by discuit on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Good preview. Accurate description of the Noles.

Only major change has been switching to a 3-guard lineup that has actually been pretty efficient since they scrapped the post game in half 2 against Princeton. Now running mostly 4-out 1-in motion with a lot of dribble penetration. Since the FSU bigs only real skill is grabbing offensive boards and dunking them, this has been a better system. Still, dropping 1.2 per possession against UNC was a once in a decade fluke.

by Michael Rogner on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Ben..

With the game time at the bottom of the article.. nice!

by rquidas on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Turgeon has got our guys playing with consistency and getting better and better...

I love the way this team fights until the end. No way FSU blows us out it’s either going to be close or we’ll pull out another victory like we did Sunday! I’ll take the Terps in this one in a game much like Sunday’s except Florida State makes a comeback and the game is won at the wire…by who else…PESHON HOWARD!!!

by terpsontop on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Our biggest help will be that we are the sandwich game

FSU beat a UNC team who was never mentally in the game. Sounds like UNC will have a tough time on the road this year. If we go in with high confidence, I give us a good chance for the W.

by Snappin Terp on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I predict that this game will not be close.

Either we get blown out in Tallahassee or the Terps win by double digits with the help of some incredible shooting. I’m hoping for the latter.

by Terpnation on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

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