ACC Schedule
by earlbadu on Jan 15, 2012 11:32 PM EST
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Good win today, well played, but critical that we got it. The in-conference schedule this year does not do us any favors. We have to play the best three teams (Duke, UNC, UVA) all twice. At this point, we could win all our remaining games outside of those opponents and still only go 9-7.
The way I see the schedule we MUST win the five home games we have outside of those three teams. We are now 2-0 in those games, and then we play VT on Jan. 28th, BC on Feb. 16th, and Miami on Feb. 21st. We have to win those three remaining games.
From there it is about scratching out 4 or 5 more wins in the remaining 10 games to get to 9 or 10 ACC wins. Road games at GT and Clemson give us good opportunities, but the other 2 or 3 wins (@ FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC, and UVA and home against UVA, Duke and UNC) are going to be tough to come by. A win in any of those games would be an upset, outside of MAYBE Miami on the road, but we always suck there.
So I feel good about the win, but this is a tough conference schedule for Turgeon to play with a young team in his first year.
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I've always been of the thought
that I don’t want the team to go to the NCAAT just so we can say “Hey we went” I’d much rather have a good team that actually deserves a spot in the tournament.
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Disagree on that
Making the tournament, whether you’re good enough or not, or even win a game or not, is so huge for your program. Perception, recruiting, etc. all benefits from making the tournament.
by aholla30 on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Post-season is important
I understand the wanting the team to deserve the post-season nod, but aholla30 is right, making the dance is a requirement to consistently land recruits and bring $$ into the program. I love Gary, but if we had made the dance a few more times in the last few years we might not be cutting athletic programs like we are.
At this stage in Turg’s Terp life I’m not proud. Just get in.
Committee
The selection committee definitely takes into account the strength of schedule. A 9-7 Terps team is the same as someone else going 10-6 because of the quality of teams played. That said, I think the Terps need to go 10-6 considering how weak the ACC is this year.
by TerpFan2001 on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
and I think 9-7 gets us in, especially with a win at Temple, but even 9-7 is a tough road.
win at Temple?
I’ll eat my own words if it happens, but I don’t see it happening.
its not going to be as hard as you think
i live in philly and temple isnt that good. the biggest issue with temple is that they have not front court and opposing bigs can dominate them.
consistently feed the ball to padgett and len should generate alot of points and padgett should have a monster game on the boards
like I said
I’ll eat my own words if or when it happens
Temple is unranked.
The only ranked team MD’s played so far is Illinois. Alabama and Iona picked up a few votes in the latest poll.
UNC, Duke, and UVa are the only ranked teams on the rest of MD’s schedule – so, six bites at the apple.
True 'nuff
This year, the ACC is definitely weaker than usual. According to Sagarin’s conference rankings, the ACC is only the 6th best conference, just behind the Mountain West.
I think the only chance the Terps have to get in at 9-7 is if they also beat Temple and have at least one big win (UVA/UNC/Duke, possibly FSU). That would put them at 20-10 before the ACC tourney.
I think at least 20 wins and a strong finish is the only way for the Terps to get in.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
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we havent played any top 25 team with our full team
that will be taken into consideration by the selection committee. While it is what have you done throughout the entire year, its also what have you done lately. They Terps have only lost one game since having a full squad. Even without a full squad our only loss thats iffy is to IONA. NC State, Alabama, & Illinois is nothing to cry about.
by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Iona is a bubble team even if they lose their tournament
But it looks like they will win their conf. They have 2 NBA players on that team too
by Jeffro78 on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but my guys got 'em good last week
with a 53-33 2nd half vs. Iona – @ Iona! Manhattan plays a slower pace than us too. It was a gritty comeback ending with a crazy, long turnaround jumper at the buzzer by a forward.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 16, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Are you a Jasper bbp??
I was at the 2004 NCAAT first round weekend in Raleigh, and I remember the Jaspers taking out Florida in the first game, and almost beating Wake Forest in the second. I was hoping they would beat WF, they had a ton of Black/Yellow tie-died fans that were annoying as hell. Instantly became a fan of the cinderella Manhattan. (What’s a Jasper, btw??)
Duke was in Raleigh that weekend too(shocking, the NCAA committee would make them travel THAT far, huh?). I remember watching Seton Hall beat Zona in the first round game, and being pissed because Zona would have matched up perfectly with Duke in the second round. And of course, Duke blows out Seton Hall by like 30, uggh.
Funny story at that game, me and my buddy(I’m 6’ 4" and he’s 6’ 6") went over to the duke section during halftime, wearing our bright red MARYLAND sweatshirts, and we walked right into the middle of a row of seats, and were like “Hey, you’re in our seats!!” They were like “what the f*ck?!?!” Actually turned out pretty funny, one of the dukies was from Bethesda, and we had a good talk about hoops. I got them to admit the Krysheffski-ville hype about sleeping in tents and the strict rules was a pure media myth. They also admitted that the academics at duke were “over-rated”. It was only a couple of years after our Natty, I was feeling fairly punchy, and I got a few to admit that Gary was a better coach than K, based on the talent they had to work with. I walked away thinking “Mission Accomplished!”
by 1 proud terp on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yep -
Great Dukie story. You should have “recorded” that convo – lol
Manhattan played Wake tough that game. It was close the whole way and they had a chance to tie it – I’m too lazy to look it up, but I recall an 84-81 score, or some 3 pt margin for Wake’s win. Luis Flores was like Stogs – could score with contact, the more the better. He was drafted by the Rockets in the 2nd round, and got a little run w/ them.
Keep those stories coming – I love them!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be very pleased finishing 8-8
in conference play considering the youth of our team (which includes Turgeon who is still figuring out what he’s got in his arsenal). I believe our record will be linked most to the performance of Mosley going forward, even more so than Stoglin. If he can take charge offensively like he has done in the past three games, it takes so much more pressure off Stoglin, and just basically elevates everyone else around him. But overall, still so many unknowns with this team being so raw.
The ACC is crazy this year
Honestly, I could see an upset in and against our favor. We should beat VT, they are not very good, and have the potential to beat FSU. Then again, FSU beat UNC by 33 points so who knows
It hurts everyone's brain
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I think it's remarkable
that there are posts on this board that are even speculating about the NCAAT since before the season started most of us in fandom would have considered 15-15 acceptable and a bid to the post season NIT a success. It demonstrates what gems we have in Turgeon and his staff. Look where they’ve lifted our aspirations (if not expectations).
UNC just lost by 33 at FSU. Is anyone going to fall to pieces if the Terps lose by 20 tomorrow night? I think we need to be careful about getting ahead of ourselves on this count. We’re progressing and we’re definitely beating the teams we should beat but are 0-3 versus Sagarin top 50 + a loss to 55 NCState and we haven’t hit the meat of our ACC schedule yet. I think we need to continue to be patient, reasonable with our expectations, and consider ANY post season play this year a bonus.
by FHFAN on Jan 16, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wins
BC
GT
Clemson
Miami
Those are the only four games I can say with confidence that the Terps can win in the conference from this point on. That would make them 6-10, which is what we all thought before the season started in the first place. They are ahead of where we thought they would be, but I find it hard to believe they’ll squeak one out against Duke or UNC. I think they have the outside shot to split the UVA series, and could take the game Tuesday against FSU, but I can’t say that with confidence.
If they finish with 6 ACC wins or higher I am satisfied with this season. We all knew it would be a difficult season with the lack of depth at most positions, and it turns out the interior depth is pretty good while what we thought was a strength in guard play is really not.
First of all...
We play Miami twice so that would be 7-9, not 6-10. Second, Miami is a lot better than Virginia Tech.
I would also be shocked if we didn’t pull one upset. It’s just an inkling, but my inkling’s tend to be right (for example, I called Giants over Packers by double digits).
my bad on Miami
but like I said, we have an outside shot to split the UVA series and/or to beat FSU at FSU, but other than that I don’t see them beating Duke or UNC this year.
Wouldn't put a home win vs Duke as impossible,
they struggled at GT and the at Clemson game was pretty tight too. Don’t necessarily think we’re gonna win, but that is our best shot at a marquee win.
by terps3 on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anything is possible
but our better chances at a quality win would be FSU (2nd tier of ACC) or Virginia this year. I’d love for us to beat Duke, especially with the court being dedicated to Gary that night, but being realistic about it i don’t think we have much of a chance. Everyone is getting a little too optimistic about this seasons outcome, and while i’ll eat my words if we finish better than 8-8 I’ll be happy with 6-10 this season.
Maybe so,
but FSU wouldn’t be a marquee win and as of right now neither would UVA. FSU would be a quality win and a great win for a young Terps team, especially because it is on the road, but they’re 11-6 with a home loss to Princeton, a 20 point loss to Clemson, and only put up 41 points in a loss to Harvard. They played way outside of their capabilities for one game against a team that all but gave up in the second half. UVA would be a much better win, but a win vs UNC (extremely unlikely) or Duke (much more likely IMO, but doubtful) are our only chances at a truly marquee win.
It's too early to determine what would and wouldn't be a marquee win.
Had we beaten FSU, and they finished 2nd or 3rd in the ACC, it would qualify as a marquee win. If Notre Dame somehow finishes in the Top 25, that win would be a marquee win.
I dont understand
why everyone is so damn set on the TERPS being an NIT bball team. It makes no sense at all. We havent lost one questionable game and have quality out of conference wins against Colorado & Notre Dame. We also dont have any bad beats. Most losses are by 10 ish.
As colorado & notre dame continue to play well or upset any teams, MD’s resume builds. A win against Temple this week would be huge as they beat Duke. A win against FSU would also be huge as they murdered UNC. There are way more factors that people arent taking into consideration. Its not just about how many wins MD finishes with, its about who beats who.
In the past MD hasnt beat the teams that they should, that isnt the case thus far and we are in GREAT shape right now. We cant really ask to be in better shape then we are…
by Charlotte NC Terp on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions
I'm not upset about it at all
I’d be happy if we made the NIT given the new coaching regime which installed a completely different offense and is emphasizing defense. I’m optimistic for 6-10 and an NIT birth, and looking forward to next year/two years from now when the 2012 recruiting class has a year under there belt. I’m still salivating at the height we’ll be able to put on the court with a 6’3 Pe, 6’4/5 Faust, 6’8 Layman, 7’1 Len, 6’9 Shaq.
I know this is a bit off topic...
but does anyone know how the sched is going to work next year? How many games will we have against Duke/UNC?
No way to know for sure but...
I’d expect 2 vs. Duke and only one date with UNC. A home-and-home with UVA is probably also likely.
it'll be in two years
and it depends on how they structure the divisions inside the conference. I think they said they will try to save the old rivalries though, so it depends on what the big-wigs consider MDs rivalry. I’m all for playing Pitt twice a year and starting a rivalry with them. It brings more attention to the rivalry with the whole Ravens/Steelers and Caps/Pens rivalries going on. Local kids might get behind MD more
This, per the Pitt rivalry.
If we can get some hardcore Ravens/Caps fans who are casual Terps fans in the seats, it would help pay some bills.
by 1 proud terp on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
assuming pitt and cuse dont enter the confrence next year here will be our schedule (in no particular order)
Duke twice
Virginia twice
Clemson twice
Florida State twice
NC State twice
Georgia Tech home
UNC home
Miami home
Boston College away
Virginia Tech away
Wake Forest away
Duke does not want the Terps as one of their rivals
As we are now. K said in no way does he want to continue playing the Terps twice a year. I agree, a rivalry with Pitt would be a positive step for us. Syracuse can have BC as their ACC rival.
I also agree with djcary. If we make it to the NIT, I would consider this years team very successful. Except maybe for BC who starts 5 freshmen, I consider the rest of the ACC teams pretty even after UNC, Puke and UVA. Any of them could win a home game.
On keeping Duke as rivals
I’m torn—I love beating Duke, but wouldn’t miss the F*** Duke culture that has risen among our student body. Pitt could be fun as long as they aren’t bombing like this year.
I’m still expecting the NIT for this team, too. The next week will likely do a lot to shape everyone’s expectations for the rest of the season (in either direction).
I disagree....
….the nation pays attention to MD-Duke, and the MD-Duke games (thru last season) still rank as the highest rated regular season college BB games. Whether we like it or not, whether Duke likes it or not, I don’t believe the ACC would turn their back on such a huge cash cow. I have my own realignment proposal: Two divisions: Old Guard and Newbie Interlopers.
Old guard consists of the original ACC Teams: MD, UVA, Duke, UNC, NCST, Wake & Clemson
Newbie Interlopers consists of every one else: GT, FLST, Miami, VT, BC, Cuse & Pitt
If the conference expands by two more teams, then GT moves to Old Guard. We don’t need a designated rival. We are MD, the state school of LI/NJ; we spew enough hate for everyone.
r-hgr
by HughGR on Jan 17, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THats a great way...
… of telling all the new teams to keep looking for a conference that appreciates them ;)
I dont think that would work in the long term as it would give the impression of second class citizens….
Even though I’d love it… I miss the home and home with the whole acc… that was great, and there was no debating the records of who played who at the end of the season…
Also a great way to improve our chances in football
with FSU, Miami, VTech, and GTech on the other side.
I love the NJ/LI comment
I just started laughing at my desk.
I actually don’t mind your conferences in terms of a difference to the north/south lineup that I was thinking of. For football the “newbie interlopers” are a little stacked, but MD, UNC, UNCST and Clemson can generate competition too.
Oh, and in terms of me wanting Pitt to be the rival, I still would love Duke to be the rival, I just don’t know if all of the Presidents will when they come up with the divisions. Pitt is a great alternative to Duke for a rivalry though, the entire state of MD generally dislikes Pittsburgh for at least one sport.
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