Maryland Holds Off Wake Forest Rally, Notches First ACC Win, 70-64
Terrell Stoglin scored 20 points off the bench(!) and Ashton Pankey and James Padgett combined for another 20 as Maryland held off a Wake Forest rally to grab its first ACC win of the season, 70-64. The Terrapins, who led by as many as 18 in the first half before a disappointing second stanza, rise to 11-4 on the year and 1-1 in the ACC.
The obvious storyline here probably the continuing inconsistent play we're seeing from the Terrapins half-to-half: they looked like world-beaters in the first and took a 16-point lead into the break, and then looked flat and unfocused in the second as they were outscored by 10, with the lead shrinking as low as three. It's clear that Maryland, still a largely young and inexperienced team, is still working on playing a forty-minute game, but they better figure it out soon.
By the way, Maryland's margin in the first half since the return of Pe'Shon Howard and Alex Len? +43. In the second half? -11. Yeah.
So, what really causes that breakdown? In a single game, like tonight, it could be explained away as an aberration. Maryland's offense slowed down significantly, more or less to a crawl, but were the shots they were getting really worse? In some instances, yes, but Terrell Stoglin missed a handful of open threes, for example. And I don't think that's truly consistent with what you normally expect out of him.
But over five games, it's become pretty clear that Maryland isn't a second-half team. It may have to do with conditioning (Paul Ricci, where are you?), though depth should no longer be an issue; just as likely, it could be a mindset issue, where Maryland works up a lead or, in the case of N.C. State, is in a game, before letting their guard down. Whatever it is, it isn't good.
That said, it's better to look fantastic in one half and suck in the other than suck in both halves. So let's starting talking about the good: namely, a first half performance where Maryland looked as good as they have all year. Terrell Stoglin was in a crazy zone, Ashton Pankey and James Padgett were battling down low, and the mythical secondary scorer showed in the form of Sean Mosley. The defense was solid and consistent, not allowing easy buckets and occasionally leading to run-outs at the other end. All things good.
Also worth noting here is offensive rebounding, an area Maryland dominated. They finished with 18 offensive rebounds, and that was a huge role in their offensive efficiency. This slowed down a bit in the second half, but not too much. I thought Maryland really needed to win the boards to win the game, and they did both.
It's the times like tonight's first half when you really think that Maryland could do some serious damage in the ACC. And they can. Maybe not on a wide scale, but the team in the first half was capable of beating just about every team in the conference, save North Carolina. They just need to show up for an entire game.
What we saw in the second half, by comparison, was truly disconcerting. Stoglin wasn't hitting, and if Stoglin isn't hitting, ain't nobody hitting. Here's a nice stat: Maryland had about a six-and-a-half minute stretch without a field goal in the second half. Stoglin is the go-to guy, but there's really no other offense after him - Sean Mosley had to sit for much of that stretch, Alex Len isn't an offensive threat yet, and so Maryland had to rely on getting garbage buckets. That's not a great source of offense.
Things were just as bad defensively, mind you - in fact, probably worse. Some of that had to do with giving up easy run-outs due to turnovers or missed shots, and just as much had to do with trouble staying in front of their assignments in man-to-man, particularly whoever was guarding Tony Chennault. But we also saw some disturbing trends re-emerge here. Poor rotation, less-dedicated close-outs (seriously, whose idea was it to put Padgett on Travis McKie?), and lazier box-outs - compare three offensive rebounds in the first half to six in the second. And that's probably almost entirely due to things like focus and effort.
Still, by and large I don't think we learned too terribly much about this team from this game, save the reinforcement of their poor second-half play. Otherwise, we knew they struggle with occasional scoreless streaks; we knew they struggled with free throws; we knew they're occasionally vulnerable on defense. It's not good and these will limit their ceiling, but these things are really priced into the stock right now.
Individually, the real standout performances had to be James Padgett and Sean Mosley. Much like the team in general, we know Padge's faults - and they are many - and we saw a lot of them today. But the good things - in particular his hustle and offensive rebounding - about him are so endearing that it's tough to truly dislike him. He did more or less what he always does, with one difference: he knocked down 7 of 9 from the free throw line, easily a much better performance than we're used to. (Four of them came in the final two minutes, by the way.) That transforms a "normal, 6 and 8 Padgett performance" into a "really good 11 and 8 Padgett performance."
As for Mosley, he actually fouled out today, though errantly (his final foul should've been charged on Mychal Parker). He'll need to watch his foul trouble from here on out, because I think he's becoming crucial to the team, and to the offense. Outside of Stoglin, Sugar Sean is the only guy the offense can rely on to create his own shot (though not always in the prettiest of ways) or hit down an open look off a set play. That he does this in addition to those senior leader moments, fighting for loose balls and getting a big put-back at a crucial time, makes it all the sweeter. Mosley may never be what we wanted him to be, but he's still a huge part of where this team will be this year.
Ashton Pankey and Mychal Parker both looked good, to boot. Pankey did some hard work on the offensive glass of his own, and flashed his fantastic touch around the rim. He could've used more playing time for my taste, but Padgett's production probably kept him off the floor. Parker, meanwhile, continues to flash moments of brilliance, like a follow block on the break that changed momentum in the final minutes. It looks like he's starting to figure out how to use his athleticism, which he has in bunches. I still think he looks the part as much as, if not more than, anyone else on the roster. I didn't see anything from him today to stem the tide of support he's built up in recent games.
In the less-good column, I think we have to start with Alex Len. And not in a negative way - I don't think he's underperforming per se, but this is just a reminder that he's still a freshman and still learning. His first half statline was no points and one board, which is obviously not good enough, and he only finished with 5 and 2. He didn't have a height advantage in this game with Wake Forest possessing trees of their own, and their trees were more experienced and physically stronger. We saw that take its toll all game long. (Not that there was no good: Len might be the best interior passer since ... I don't know, I don't really keep track of interior passers. But he's really good at the bounce pass to a cutter.)
Nor was I enamored with Pe'Shon Howard, who had only a single point. His 5:2 assist to turnover ratio was good, but his 0-5 shooting from the field wasn't. Nor was the fact that he was on the floor during that second-half slowdown. If Maryland's going to dedicate a spot on the floor to someone who more or less can't score, that needs to be the guy who can be the traffic director when the offense slows down. That wasn't Pe' tonight. That's what he needs to be. Although I'd be remiss if I didn't mention his two fantastic defensive plays down the stretch, both resulting in steals. If those two don't come through, Maryland probably doesn't win.
And, of course, Nick Faust, though only in the sense that Len is also in this column. As soon as he figures out that he shouldn't shoot and should instead focus on driving the lane (while not falling away from Ty Walker) he'll be fine. I was actually really impressed by what he brought on the glass and the other areas of the game, even though he did give up an open three in the corner; offensively, he's still working to find his niche. He's only a freshman and I'd preach patience.
A quick note on Terrell Stoglin: no, he didn't start. I'm not particularly surprised by it. Turgeon had threatened him with it before and it was only a matter of time before the breakdown finally happened and Stoglin started off on the bench. No, it didn't have any material bearing on the game: Stoglin played starter minutes, started the second half, and was on the floor when he needed to be. I have no worries, even if he doesn't start another game the rest of the year. I have no doubt he'll be getting his.
As we've been saying all year, a win's a win, and as long as building is being done toward's next year then it's all gravy right now. This team has crazy potential, as the first half showed. It'll be frustrating to sit through all the lackluster second halves and offensive slowdowns, but at the end of the day, they're 1-1 in the conference. That's about what I expected, and it's tough to complain about it.
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i guess but thats all conjecture and not real
in real, concrete terms, its the same thing
please....
Come back to reality…. please.
by nmcvicker03 on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
i think a better way to put it is...
a win by 30 vs wake is the same as a win by 6 over wake. a win’s a win in that sense. it’s not right to say that a win vs a lesser opponent is the same as a win vs a much, much better opponent when you’re talking about resume wins.
Or even a better way to put it is...
…a win over Duke is worth taking a lighter to your coach afterwards to celebrate. Or just rioting otherwise.
i was bout to say
stay away from turgeon hugh..please stay away
by tmoneyttime1 on Jan 11, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Turgeon is showing enough fire
players. not enough yet
Came with their C game and still won
Stoglin 6 for 18, and I’m pretty sure he hit his first 4 shots. OUCH!
Great D in the first half. Couldn’t make a shot in the 2nd half. Welcome to MD basketball.
I’d still say I’m very impressed and do expect some shocking upsets for the Terps this ACC season.
I don't believe for a second we saw WFU bring their 'A' game though
They had a lot of breakdowns that offset their success at shotblocking.
Our defense was a lot better last night
and prevented there two top scorers (#2 and #3 in ACC in scoring) from getting going. We prevented there A game for the most part (outside of Tye Walker blocking everything in sight).
Yeah CJ was largely ineffective, but that was by far the best McKie has been offensively this year
He was making the same shots Stoglin was in the first half and was able to post pretty much everyone up at will.
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Unfortunately their C game...
at the moment is their A game.
Not a problem. It’s early and the team is still learning.
Children should be seen and not heard.
by CharlesDriesell on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
It's a win (That's all that matters)
Im not too disappointed…I think they can hang with any team in the ACC (They can also lose to any team as well on an off night). i thought the half court defense for the most part was pretty good
Ft shooting again hurt us for the most part, as well as some sloppy offensive sets (which I think we will improve on as the year goes)…
Stoglin had a pretty poor shooting night, and also Faust 2-7 and Pe’shon 0-5 (Pe’Shon hasn’t shot the ball that well in any game since his return which concerns me against better teams) from the field kind of kills us. Also Len had a pretty sub-par game overall.
We shot terribly, didn’t run great sets, and still managed to win against a Wake Forest team that I don’t think is that bad this year and has some good talent on their roster.
…..Good signs moving forward I think
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I wonder how ready Layman will be next season on the offensive end
We saw what a mismatch McKie is, and how dangerous those kinds of players can be. I don’t think we have anybody like that on this years team, but hopefully in the future Layman will be that guy. If he is ready to go offensively as a freshman, that will be a huge boon to next years team.
Not even just on offense but defense too
Padgett was covering McKie all game and simply could not get out on him for whatever reason and guard the 3-point shot. I thought Parker might be able to cover him but did not get that many minutes.
A tall, athletic 3/4 is almost a necessity in the ACC and Layman will be huge for that reason.
This is a good point
Though i assume that he will be more ready defensively than he will offensively
Did you watch the final 10 minutes?
Padgett was guarding McKie, or well I should say was assigned to guard him (he didn’t do much guarding). Once McKie figured this out he was draining 3’s on him because Padgett wasn’t stepping out to the 3 point line. I’m glad they finally took him out and put Parker in so Mosley got back on him.
We let him shoot 3’s whenever he wanted all game, he was due to hit a couple. Regardless, while Mosley was in foul trouble isn’t “all game.”
.....
Mosley was in the game while Padgett was guarding him. Mosley was on somebody else, but bringing Parker in to guard who Mosley was on allowed Mosley to move back to McKie and lock him down.
I agree on the three point defense though, they reverted last night. They were letting them shoot at will
anecdote
I went to the game with my dad and at one point he went to buy some ice cream.
“Wha’d you get?”
“I dunno, something weird.”
“What’s it called?”
“Rockin’ Randy”
/facepalm
(not trying to hijack the thread, I just thought it was funny)
by discuit on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
worth it!
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by bball purist on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Has..
Pe’ ever shot well? And why was Mosley in the low block on that first 1and1 miss when he fouled out? Granted he was shoved out and a bogus call on him, but where was any of the bigs on that shot, why did he have that position/assignment – we had a stopped clock and could have subbed in – if we were thinking of offense/ball handling/ft shooters, we forgot we needed to rebound first.
by Terp2B on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i remember in the beginning of last year
Pe’ was looking like the best player in the recruiting class, with that game winner against CoC.
RIP Lennie Bias
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Would love to see Pe take some mid range jumpers
His 3 point shot is obviously not that strong. I would love to see him drive, stop, step back, and hit some long 2 point shots. Not sure if can actually make them, but I would like to see him try.
The last two games
He’s attempted a few mid range jumpers… he’s got pretty good hangtime on his jumper and what appears to be a soft touch… they just haven’t been dropping. I can’t recall too many long range 2 point shots though. Personally, i don’t mind… because those are arguably the worst shot in the game (unless you’re a very good shooter) because its worth the same as a shot 15 feet closer to the basket and its worth more if you just take one or two steps back.
After the game...
one of turgeons quotes was about how he is playing Pe too much and he is too tired to shoot well (paraphrasing). Remember Pe is likely not in game shape yet (its only his 4 or 5 game this year)… and once the legs go, it makes it much harder to hit your shots.
and maybe its just me but he seems to shoot more later in the game, when he is already tired.
Pe is a decent shooter
and scorer. funny when Pe got here and got the hype i still picked stoglin to be the better player. never pictured them starting in the same backcourt but hey. his shot just hasn’t been falling. add to that some of the occasional bad decisions and he looks worse than he really is.
if he can temper going for his every 5th possession after running sets then he’ll be a lot better off.
Didn't mind putting Padge on Mckie
Wake went small and had Mckie playing the 4. The points we lost by him hitting those big 3s we won back by having him outrebound Mckie on the offensive glass. Turge had to make a decision whether or not to go small and match them. I think its fine. You take your chances that Mckie misses on a couple of those 3 pointers IMO.
As for going small, I don’t think we should ever go 4 guards the way we did without Alex at center. When we went small we had Pankey at the 5, and their good 7 footer just owned us. I am ok with going with a small lineup to get more steals and up the tempo of the game, but I think the lone big needs to be Len.
Len had his worst game of his young career, Stogs missed a bunch of shots that he normally makes, Peshon was literally a ghost out there on the floor and we still scrap together a win? Sounds good to me. More reinforcement that this terps team is going to be in 4-7 range of the ACC and not 8th or whatever ridiculous place we were picked to finish by the press.
how did you not mind padgett on mckie???
Granted, he was a monster on the offensive boards on those sets, but 2 points never offsets the 3 points we gave up everytime mckie got the ball
It you think you have a bigger advantage on the offensive glass with Padge
Then I think you take your chances that he misses. I dunno. Padge is tall and had his arms up in the air. Turge made the adjustment later. I dont have a problem with the strategy going in.
I like Padgetts Offensive boards
I don’t think they needed to take Padgett out persay, they just really needed to move him off of McKie. He wasn’t even stepping out to challenge him, he didn’t want to get beat off the dribble. We knew going in though that there forwards would be somewhat of a matchup problem because there 4 is more of a tweener who can step out and hit deeper shots
i dig padgett on the boards too but
his perimeter defense has been terrible all season. i know he’s not a guard, but at the same time he shouldn’t have to worry about a guy blowing by him for a layup. he does the “extended-lazymans-hand-reach-but-i’m-still-5-feet-off-you” defense on known shooters. not cooL.
Right
which is why he should of never been on McKie in the first place. Padgett doesn’t have the agility to guard a 3/4 tweener and shouldn’t of been put in the position to guard him.
Shocked at WFU's Block totals
Seriously? I missed the first half but seriously? Which Terps were getting blocked?
I think Len...
was blocked twice at least, as well as a lot of put backs were.
by Terp2B on Jan 11, 2012 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the whole team got blocked at one point or another
Or atleast thats what it felt like. That was quite a performance by Walker.
Padge had one blocked back right in his face
WFU has two 7 footers. One of them got a nice elbow shot (inadvertant) and split his lip.
by Snappin Terp on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
While we're on the subject of blocks
How nice was Parker’s block from behind on that fastbreak? He’s had a couple of those Lebron-esque type blocks this season where he chases the guy down and blocks it from behind… those are always sweet.
Disclaimer: I am not in anyway comparing Mychal Parker to Lebron James
except u did
ha ha ha ha
I know what you mean, but you did – ha ha haha
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by bball purist on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know
From these couple of athletic moments getting up with the block, follow up dunk over two opponents, I’m thinking MP’s ups might be as good as LeBron.
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by bball purist on Jan 12, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Tired of the Stogs in the doghouse charade
What kind of message are you sending Stogs by benching him and still playing him the whole game? I just dont get it. Stogs is never going to be the defender that Turge wants him to be. His brain is just not built that way. He has a “I can score more than you can score” mentality. The other thing to point out here is that I do see Stogs hustle on defense at times and that physically hes just not really built to be a shutdown type of defender. People may disagree with this point and say that defense is all about your mentality and how much you want it. I just think that Turge is going to make a mistake one of these games where he sits Terrell when we need him to score and we lose the game. Will be a damn shame.
Besides defense, I think it's about effort in practice
Turge has mentioned in pressers that besides Mosley the team doesn’t always practice well. He can’t afford to leave Stogs on the bench, but he figures this is a way to get his attention. I say let him coach.
Just watched Turge's postgame...
…and he mentioned teaching lessons outside the gym when he answered that question. He said the actual reason was between he and Terrell though. Maybe he skipped a class or needs to study more? Whatever it is, I hope it gets squashed quick.
If you don't understand, you've never coached
or understand how to motivate players at times. It’s a coach’s choice – Turge knows the risks, but the true reward can be obtained only this way – and it’s for Stoglin’s good and he knows it too – he’s impressed me with his acceptance and willingness to learn this year. It doesn’t mean the road will be smooth. But Turge will keep polishing the diamond…
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by bball purist on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
May not have coached
at anything close to the level of sports that as a fan I am commenting on, but I know that there are many different ways to motivate players. And certain players will respond more to certain types of motivations.
My point was more:
1) Not starting a guy, but playing him the whole game isn’t really punishing him at all.
2) You are probably punishing yourself more by putting your team at risk. Most bad teams (talking about Wake here) will crumble if you get up on them early. Their only shot to win games is to keep it close and then you start to build their confidence. We still got out to a big lead today, but it was because SSM finally stepped up and delivered offensively in the early minutes, and when Stogs got in, he was on fire. I fear that one of these times, Turge tries to teach a lesson and we don’t come away with the W.
as a fan I live and die with these guys
But as we’ve all been saying, this year is about the future. Trading a loss for a long-term lesson might be necessary. Maybe I’m giving Turge too much credit for seeing the big picture when I’m screaming at the computer screen, but I’m going to trust his judgement. God knows he wants to win worse than any of us and I’m pretty sure he’s dying to call a TO and chew the guys out when they let teams come back at them like Wake did tonight. Ultimately though wins are either subordinate to learning this year or they’re not and if they are, we have to accept that we’ll probably lose a few games we shouldn’t while the players figure out how to put their foot to the opponent’s throat. Just don’t quote this back at me on the gamethreads while it’s happening because undoubtedly I’ll be frothing at the mouth and cursing Turge out for not pulling @!*# Faust out when I think he should!
by LeftCoastTerp on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and yes I did just respond to the wrong post...smh
LeftCoastTerp = DUMB
by LeftCoastTerp on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Point 1 and point 2 contradict each other
Essentially it seems like you think that Turg just shouldn’t try to discipline Stogs at all, since playing time is the only thing that will really catch Stogs’ attention. This is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, but mostly because it would undermine the entire message Turgeon has been preaching the entire season.
As for why Stogs still played starter minutes? I don’t know, maybe this was his final warning shot before finally sitting Stogs, maybe something else is going on. But I don’t really think we can criticize the move when we have no clue why Stogs didn’t start in the first place
They dont contradict each other
Its about the timing of when the minutes are played. So you are punishing a guy by taking away the “starter” title, but you are hurting your team because you let a lesser team get off to a better start (I know this didnt happen, but it could have).
Also rewards another player...
Giving someone else a chance to shine. Also makes the team realise that other players are going to need to score points.
So, Stoglin not starting does have some potential positives.
…and Stoglin still had 20.
Go Terps!
by VCTerp on Jan 12, 2012 8:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Being in the starting lineup is a matter of pride.
That’s what Turge’s discipline was all about. That’s why Stogs got his normal minutes.
wasn't there a suggestion to bring him off the bench?
—size and matchup reasons¿ stoglin is a 6 foot shooting guard.
Plus, it was a disciplinary thing
that would have happened to any player on the team. Now that we know it was outside of basketball, makes more sense.
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by bball purist on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
If Stogs wants to play at the next level
he better learn to play defense! I know he can score and get his shot off and all that but he needs to defend better.
No argument here
I think Stogs could be a Jameer Nelson type player at the next level. I think Turge is going to coach him up, but I dont think he will ever be a solid defender.
Jameer Nelson?
He’s more a Jimmer Fredette now, and an Allen Iverson in the NBA.
as quick as he is
i would think he could easily be a good defender if he worked at it.
by (adm)iregary on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
errr, you answered your own comment
he is a shot creator, so he creates his own shot. i.e., he creates his own shot which doesn’t count as an assist to himself…
Stogs is generally not in a position
to make the kind of passes that get assists. As SG, he roams the perimeter and passes along the perimeter. When he penetrates he usually looks to score first, but does dish off at times. He would probably have more assists if we had better shooters. As it is, he is looked at as the scorer and gets the extra pass. He is also the go-to guy when the clock is running down. As a PG though, he’s not a strong passer, still sticking mostly to the perimeter. When he penetrates, the defense collapses on him and he gets airborne with his view of open teammates blocked by the bigger bodies.
Turge knows what he's doing...
Trust him to run this program the right way. Stogs is a dynamite scorer and has really been trying hard in games to defend and last night tried to look offensive set/pass firt versus score-first. I recognize that whatever Turge is preaching/teaching – Stogs is getting it! Plus – he appears to be a good egg. It may be a small thing…bu when a player comes out of the game – the ritual appears to be that one goes down the entire bench ‘slappin’ 5’ with everyone – then finds a seat. Mosely does this every time; Len does this every time; STOGS does this every time and Pe does it every time – pay attention to who does NOT…Padge for one just plops down. May be a small thing – but actions speak and if that’s the thing your Captain’s doing to show teamwork and unity – everyone should be doing it. My point is…Stogs is learning and growing and Turge is teaching and helping the players grow. I loved his quote about teaching the younger players their first two years so that they can in turn help him teach the next group!
by WherestheBison on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
They said on our radio broadcast that he was late to a meeting so he was benched
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He just didn't start
He came in 2 minutes later… and played in every important situation in the game. Its just a harmless message of your not guaranteed anything. Go out and work for your right to stay on the court. Coaches have to do those things. I do those things and im a hockey coach. I am assuming this stuff translates
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by NattyBoAndOldBay on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions
damn GA Tech is hot right now...
played Duke to the wire and crushing NC State on the road…our hands will be full on Sunday
Glen Rice Jr is a baller
Hes gonna be tough to stop.
Fitness & 2nd half woes
I’m not sure what the issue is with fitness. The S & C coach, Kyle Tarp, has brought phenomenal fitness levels to the women’s program. I don’t know if the men haven’t had the time to see the effects of his program or aren’t buying into it as completely as the women or if the men are impacted by Kyle splitting his time but I know what his program can achieve so I’d say give that time.
Some of the 2nd half shooting woes tonight came because Stoglin simply went cold in that part of the game. He had a number of good looks particularly off baseline inbounds plays but just missed the shots. I can only recall one or two really forced shots.
We also weren’t helped by 16-26 FT in the 2nd half. If we can raise that percentage to a tad over 75 and be 20-26 the game is never especially close.
We played so well in the first half. Stogs was on fire
Missed all but the last 30 seconds of the second half. Glad I did.
GT is setting the tempo for a crazy ACC season. We have to watch out for Glen Rice Jr. He can hit from 3 consistently.
Why can't Mosley stay aggressive?
Obviously I have come to expect it from him but he is really capable of so much more. He scored the first 6 points of the game and then 11 by halftime. Then basically went silent on offense for the rest of the game.
As Ben said he is the only one outside of Stoglin who can create his own shot, so he needs to be more active in order for the Terps to win. He is not playing bad, I just wish he could do more.
too unselfish
Mosley is the type to want to go 8-8 from the field. Gets down on himself when he misses a couple of open 3s. I wish he would keep the foot on the gas and take more shots. We need him to do it this year.
Faust can create his own shot
And others too (Len..), but Faust can’t hit his open ones. LOL
Cornell game all over again,
outstanding first half run with a mediocre finish, but a win nonetheless. I’m a little nervous for the GT game Sunday. I didn’t catch the game vs NCSU, but it looks like GT has gotten their act together somewhat. If they can win in Raleigh, they can win in College Park.
THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!!
at least per Coach Green….
Spot-on analysis
Ben- couldn’t agree more with your analysis of this game. Ironically, when we were up 18 Comcast was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Fans were out of it only until it tightened up.
Len may have had a tough night, but we shouldn’t underestimate how much he affects shots on defense, even those he doesn’t block. Makes us a much better team defensively.
Also, went to Looney’s pub after the game. Where did this place come from? And a Bobby Flay’s burger joint on Route 1? Changes in CP.
by Terp924 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 AM EST via Android app reply actions
just completed w/in past year
I was upset Varsity Grill got waxed with new apartments, etc., being added, but those two make up for it.
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by bball purist on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Some observations
-Pankey was WAY more in tune. At times last game he was just NOT moving. Not sure if thats a temporary thing I just was honed in on though. This game he was moving very well and he and Len were in sync.
-Faust. The reason I’m not totally lost on the kid is because when he doesnt shoot that’s when he shows off skills. I’m speechless at how BAD he is when he tries shooting a basketball at a hoop then how good he looks otherwise. He wasn’t half bad at point other than it not being natural; he can run, jump and cut amazingly. Just DONT FUCKING SHOOT.
Seriously. JUST NO.
-Reason we came down in the second half was our offense just stagnated (no shit). When we get assists for everyone on the team our offense gels MUCH better. Our shooting was shitty also….sole reason why Wake was back in it.
-Otherwise, DAMN guys. Ya’ll thought we’d be 9-6 at this point but we’re chuggin right along. When we’re good, we show moments way past what everyone thought we’d see. Fucking spot on!!
Pankey...
…if I’m not mistaken, had 9 pts and 9 reb at the half, and finished 9/9 with 21 minutes. I didn’t see the game, but what the hell happened? Did WF play him differently defensively in the second half? Did Pankey suddenly become less active? Did Turge not play him much (for some reason)?
And we could have too.
Lets be real. FSU and GT are good opponents but miles easier than the 2 games each against ACC ranked teams we have.
by db0255 on Jan 12, 2012 7:10 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Faust
Can’t understand why so many are jumping on Nick Faust ?? Wasn’t he our prized recruite that STAYED after GW left ?? Please leave him alone, I’m sure he’ll develope more quickly, than MOSELY. We all expected more scoring from MOSELY, but in turn has developed more of all round game, and is a stat stuffer his SNR year.
Everybody would be crying if FAUST left after the TURG hire.
THINK B-4 you post.
if your gonna all-cap the names
at least spell them right…Mosley. Think before you post ;)
It’s not hate, he’s got tons of potential but he is what he is for now. A guy who averages more airballs than shots made will probably admit he’s not playing that well atm.
this.
When he doesnt shoot, I love watching him. Cutting, making his own shot, athletic, driving…
When he DOES shoot…lawd have mercy.
by db0255 on Jan 12, 2012 7:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'll agree with that
he is a better slasher at the moment than a shooter. His shot looks awful, hopefully he can figure it out though.
seriously
without nick faust this team would be 4-11.
it would’ve been stoglin dog tired from running the point and game averages of 50 points. he has to shoot to remain a threat on the court. let the freshman be a freshman.
huh?
I wasn’t suggesting at all that Faust should start over Stoglin, or play more minutes than him. I was just simply stating that at this point in time Faust is more of a cutter/slasher and needs to work on his shot. He is a freshman, and I know it’ll improve as time goes on. Think you mistook what I was tryin to say man
I got what youre saying.
And he’s vastly overstating Nick’s contribution.
by db0255 on Jan 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
not saying to start nick over stoglin
at least not this season.
—and unless it was strictly for defensive/disciplinary purposes.
but without faust, stoglin would’ve been a seriously worn out guy after having to run the point and still score most of the points. he’d be gassed after one half. i’m not saying faust is all-world but just pretty essential to the team. YES, even with the airballs. essentially all of personnel are necessary for the roster that we have now. the record would have been different without each one of them. weijs included.
that’s almost a fanpost worthy question:
how many more losses would the terps have without some of the players on the current roster? [from injury, transfer, decommit, etc]
honestly would have started Thomas.
Stoglin couldnt do all that. And while a walk-on would have its downsides. It would be a necessity at that point. I get what youre saying but that situation just didnt arise.
by db0255 on Jan 12, 2012 11:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Faust is GOOD...
He’s a damn freshman – what’dya expect – he wasn’t a slam-dunk 5-star…he’s a very good defender, very good at getting into the lane…and confident! There was a set we were running a couple games ago where Faust would drive to the foul line – draw defenders – and kick out to Stog and Parker in 3 range on the wing…Stogs hit his – Parker missed – but that play can work well because that’s something Faust can be trusted and good at running (still no 3s please).
by WherestheBison on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
My biggest frustration is how many missed layups/put backs we had
Nice write up Ben, as always. One thing no one has really touched on is the number of missed close shots we had last night. I don’t know the exact number but Padge and Faust had some and there were a few others. Padge seems to prefer to try kissing shots off the glass rather than powering up for a slam. He’s been that way his whole college career. If I were 6’ 8", I know I wouldn’t try finessing shots when I’m that close to the rim. If I could DUNK, then dammit, I’m DUNKIN!
That’s why I like Len (though yes this was not his best game). If he’s close to the rim, he doesn’t mess around. He jams it home.
If we make those close shots AND our free throws, we easily win this game and probably the NC State game. I can’t complain too much though because it IS a win. I know we aren’t going to blow anyone out this year in the ACC (though it sure looks like we can at times) but hopefully as the year goes on, we learn how to hold and/or build on a big lead, have that killer instinct.
I see great things for this program in the coming years and I’m very impressed with our coach. He doesn’t get too rattled and he has some fire on the sidelines (loved watching him get fired up when the ref missed a foul on one of our guys). If we keep up the top notch recruiting (Harrison’s…..this IS the place to be boys!), the sky is the limit.
GO TERPS!!!!
They have 2 7 footers
That probably had something to do with how they attacked the basket. A lot of shots were blocked or altered inside.
Padgett
He did have some moments where he could of went up for a dunk, or the one instance where he completely mishandled a pass for an easy dunk. All in all though for Padgett I’ll take his production this year over his past two years, I was seriously worried about him going into this season.
A Great Point
“If Stoglin isn’t hitting then the Terps aren’t scoring”.
It’s that simple The stretch in which they gave up the lead Stogs went cold, Mosely was in foul trouble, Len isn’t offensive minded quite yet, and Faust is only starting to get comfortable. You don’t have many other options for scoring in the half court.
The crowd was unusually quite during that run too. Who knows why.
Pleased at the Offensive rebounding. They will need to continue that trend and scrap for points to stay competitive.
I agree that people are too hard on Faust. He started the year out of position by necessity and is now just getting his feet under him.
Good win because it shows some resilience. I’m not sure where Wake fits in to the ACC this year but you need to get that first ACC win – especially at home.
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The other thing I notice is......
We NEVER seem to be able to pass to the basket on pick & rolls. Our big guys come out to set picks, then roll towards the basket when their man comes out to double team, but our guards rarely find that “roller”. Seems like Len is the only one who can pass to the cutter with any consistency.
Also we seem to be a split second late on passing to the post. I’ll be watching the passing around the perimeter and I see Padge or Len flash across or in front of their man but our guards hesitate and don’t lead them with a pass (in my mind, I’ve already passed to them). Then we end up passing around again and just try to penetrate instead. We have to learn how to pass to the big guys to get them in the game.
GO TERPS!!
Len
when Len rolls off of the pick and roll, he isn’t looking for the ball. That is why our guards are not passing to him when he comes off of it. Watch the next game, or go back and watch this one on replay and you’ll see it numerous times where he is just looking out into space when he comes off of them rather than looking for the ball.
I’ll agree we need to pass inside more, but the penetration game can create the inside game just as much as passing in for a set play. Our guards are better at penetrating right now so if they can look when they do it for the open man then I’m content with that.
Speaking of picks and Len
Padge needs to teach him how to set a proper pick. Dunno if that’s just a European thing, but I’d like to see him learn how to actually get his feet set and become a 7’ road block for the guards to work with.
Working more plays through him around the foul line will help the team as well given his passing vision.
by Nihonterp on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fun team to watch.
You might be smacking your forehead. You might be jumping out of your seat at something incredible.
Either way, fun team to watch and I’ll enjoy this season.
I think the second half "falling flat"
Had a lot to do with conditioning and the foul trouble of Mosley. Alex Len is clearly not in game shape, which is exactly what Turg said after the game. He had to sub out at some crucial points in the second half last night and #40 for them (sorry, I’m bad with opposing team player names) really made us pay inside. Couple that with Mosley sitting out with foul trouble and it sparked a comeback for them. Once Alex subbed back in it slowed down their inside game and once Mosley was back in it sparked our offense again.
Anyway, I really don’t understand how Pankey is so inconsistent. Someone that athletic who does a decent job blocking out should have solid nights on the offensive boards (see last night). To me, he seems to have the build and athleticism to be NBA talent, but for one reason or another he just doesn’t have it all together. Effort? Conditioning? I don’t know. Or maybe he just doesn’t have good range.
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don't know.
pankey appears to be the more talented than padgett, but my first guess would be that he doesn’t get as many minutes as he could. particularly when padgett is blowing putbacks and free throws. he got touches early in the season and we saw how nice he had the potential to be early. maybe frustration sat in. the team is going through a front court reshuffle by adding Len, so minutes are really changing. defensively i always want to see pankey on the floor.
he could average 8 rebounds a game next to Len. and he could grow up really fast if he got some post touches.
It couldn't be
that he hasn’t played competitive basketball in two seasons could it? sarcasm
He missed his senior season of high school and the entirety of last season with injuries. If anything he looks a lot more developed than Padgett at this point in his career so we can all hope he continues to improve at that rate so he’ll be a beast by his junior/senior seasons
You could be right about the time off. We’ll have to wait and see.
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by John Stephens on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think Pankey
is just rusty. AS I recall, his injury curtailed his PT as a senior and then he red shirted last year. He just needs to get into game shape and focus.
I agree...
…that would explain why he’s shown flashes of excellence, but has been very inconsistent overall.
All-in-all that was a very competitive game
We came out really flat post the 16 minute mark in the first half and then couldn’t get anything going until the second half when Stoglin and the rest of the Terps were missing the shots that fell in the first twenty minutes.
Y’all did a good job getting down the lane and drawing (what I would consider perhaps as a biased Wake fan to be an absurd number of home-cooked calls) fouls and contact. I was proud of the way we fought back and it was a battle.
I hope we catch you guys in the ACCT, frustrated we don’t get a shot in Winston but that’s the reality of the new ACC. Good luck the rest of the year!
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Confidence or Lack of
is a powerful contributor to any teams performance and there is a steamroller effect when things go right where they keep getting hotter, and then when something causes them to cool down confidence goes away and they become hesitant.
The Terps could be the poster boys for that effect.
Poor FT shooting and not running their sets
doesn’t help. Last night when they were hot running up and down worked but eventually they got cold and not setting up shots, just throwing the ball up instead of waiting to get a good shot.

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