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With Len and Howard, Maryland Looks a Different Team

Happy 2012, all. I hope you enjoyed your New Year. I'm guessing Maryland basketball did.

Then again, Maryland basketball seems to be enjoying a lot right now. Pe'Shon Howard is back, Alex Len has made his debut, and the Terrapins just enjoyed their first undefeated December since 2008. It didn't always seem like they were going to escape the month without a loss, but the return of Howard and emergence of Len made the task quite a bit easier, and helped give the Terrapins their first double-digit wins of the year.

They look a very different team with that duo on the court, and a better one. It's only been two games, but Maryland looks so much more effective now that they've reached full strength. Given that the first post of the new year has to be something big, let's take an overview of what the new-look Terps have shown in their first two contests.

With more horses, Maryland is going to run and sub a lot more. I guess the second part of that was pretty much inevitable; with two extra bodies, of course Mark Turgeon is going to seriously alter his substitution patterns. It's no real surprise that that's exactly what happened: players are coming in and out of the game much more, and the days of two or three guys getting upwards of 30 minutes seem to have ended.

In fact, not a single player reached 30 yesterday against Samford. It even took Turgeon only four and a half minutes to get each of Maryland's nine scholarship players on the court. The newfound ability to rotate players with regularity should help keep guys fresh, and will be a godsend as the year winds down. And hey, it lets Turgeon send messages, too; after a slow start to the second half, he switched out four players in as big a change as he could make without resorting to walkons. Maryland has depth now, and they're going to use it.

As a side effect, it lets them push the tempo much more than they were able to do at the beginning of the year. Turgeon made note of it in his post game press conference, harping on how much he wants to get out and run (emphasis mine):

We have run a lot better the last two games. I didn't think that we ran very well in the second half today. We are a deeper team. We have been practicing running in practice for the last month but had to play differently with only seven scholarship guys. I screwed us up in the second half because we were walking it up because of me. I lost our rhythm. We should never stop running.

I doubt Maryland will turn into VMI or Arkansas or North Carolina, but they are running more. In their first ten games of the season, they averaged 64 possessions a game. (And that was heavily influenced by Iona running like crazy and the Terrapins obliging them with dozens of turnovers). In the last two, they've averaged 68.5, with Turgeon saying they want to run even more. I'm guessing the 71 they had against Albany will be more or less the target from here on out, which is about where Maryland was in both of the last two seasons.

I love me a good up-tempo basketball team, so that's good news for me. Turgeon seems to have a preference for a quick tempo, so it'll be interesting to see A) how effective it is in the ACC; and B) just how much he sticks to his guns against tougher opposition.

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Terrell Stoglin can be just as effective off the ball as he is on it. I take care, here, to say "can" instead of "is." We saw him struggle a bit (by his standards) against Radford, which was Howard's first game back. He finished with only 15 points on 5-18 shooting, including 2-6 from beyond the arc. Save the Alabama disaster, it was pretty easily his worst turnout of the season.

But for now, I'm willing to chalk that up to growing pains. In the two games since that performance, he's been as good as I've seen him this season, with the possible exception of the Notre Dame game. He poured in 22 points against Albany on 16 shots; then he had 24 yesterday on only 13 attempts. (And for good measure, he had only 2 free throw attempts in both of those games, so his shot attempts aren't simply being hidden by fouls.) He's forcing the matter and shooting the ball much less, but his output has remained pretty similar. In that sense, he's been much more effective in the last two games since having moved off the ball.

Oh, and he's also playing fewer minutes; only 29 against Albany and just 24 against Samford, which was good for a point a minute, for the math majors out there. So maybe he's not just a pure volume scorer.

If you were to chalk the improvement up to one thing, it'd surely be his three-point shooting. He drained six threes in both of the last two games, despite not really having a reputation as a lights-out shooter and certainly not as a catch-and-shoot maestro. But that's more or less what he's been in the last two contests: he's found open spots on the floor, and knocked down the open shots he's had. I always thought he needed to have the ball in his hands to be most effective, but if this is truly him, then it seems he can be just as effective, if not even more so, with someone else dominating the rock.

(Now, it does worry me a bit that he's had such a drastic uptick in shooting, because this historically hasn't been his skillset. There's a chance it was just hidden; there's also a chance that he's a bit streaky and is just on a good streak right now. If that's the case, a letdown could be coming. But I'll be optimistic for the moment and say this really is Stoglin.)

The other obvious thing you could point to in regards to Stoglin's improvement is that he's working with a true 1 in Howard, thus freeing himself from point guard duties and letting him look only for his own shot. I'm not sure he was ever looking for anyone's shot but his own, but it does seem like Howard's presence has helped him out by letting him get some higher-probability looks.

I decided to take a look at how Stoglin got his points, particularly in regards to how "within the offense" it was - that is, on how many of his points were from an assist. It's a crude method, I understand, particularly with free throws counting, but:

In his first nine games (before Pe'Shon Howard returned to the lineup), 32 of Stoglin's 200 points came from an assist. In the last three games, 32 of his 61 points came from an assist.

Yes, you read it right: Stoglin's scored as many points from assists in the last three games as he did in the previous nine. Of course, the rates have an astronomical difference: 16% of his points came from assists in the first nine games, a number that rises to 52% in the last three.

It's important to note that a big reason for this is that he's getting to the line less and taking more three-pointers, which by their nature tend to be more likely to be assisted on. But still, it's pretty obvious that Stoglin is less concerned about forcing the issue and more focused on letting the game come to him, at least right now. We'll have to keep a close eye on that, because I expect the rates to come back to earth, but it's clear the effect Howard has on the offense, Stoglin in particular. Fun stats.

Pe'Shon Howard and Alex Len have made Maryland's offense much, much better. Another slightly "duh" thing, but it's really remarkable how much better this team is with the addition of only two guys. Their offensive efficiency rating has risen from an average of 105 to an average of 114 since Howard's return (numbers for comparison); assist percentage, as you might've expected from the Stoglin numbers, has gone from 42% to 61%; eFG% from 47% to 52% - and that has raised even more when you start counting from the return of Len, who can anchor the middle and help spread out the offense; the eFG% since he's returned is at 59%.

Again, it's very worth mentioning some points here: first off that the quality of opponents isn't great, secondly that they have no film on what Maryland can bring now, and third that it's only been two or three games. The first charge can be answered - the increases are still there even if you only count stats against low-majors, so the Alabama and Iona debacles aren't dragging things down; in some cases, the differences are even more drastic - but the other two points are valid. They're the big reasons you should remember to throw a grain of salt on everything here, but it still seems a fair assessment that Maryland's offense is a much more efficient and effective unit with Howard and Len on the floor. We knew they'd be better, but I have to say I didn't think they'd improve as much as they have.

Alex Len is as good as advertised - better, maybe. We knew very little about Len before he took the floor against Albany. We knew he was 7-1. We thought he was at least a little athletic and decently coordinated. And we knew he was Ukrainian. That was about it.

Well, he's certainly 7-1, and he's actually very athletic and coordinated. He runs the floor very well, and has enough athleticism and coordination to throw down slams, whether on the break or even catching alley-oops in the half-court. Oh, and he has good hands, works really hard on the glass, and has even flashed a mid-range jumper.

That combination of raw tools alone, even considering his apparent lack of strength and how unproven he is against other top-flight big men, would be enough for most to consider him one of the better freshman in the country. It's certainly enough for me. He'll probably struggle a bit for the rest of the year, both with some fundamentals (offensive goaltending, for example) and when faced with the best froncourts in the ACC. That's to be expected, though; he has bags of potential and should be a difference-maker even just this year.

It's foolish to try to judge too much too early in someone's career. So I don't want to judge too much about Len having only seen him play in two games; we know that he has a ton of potential, and that's really enough for me right now.

But because this discussion has dominated talk around here in recent days, I thought I'd try to see just how well or poorly Len compares to other top-flight big men. I haven't been able to watch every highly-regarded big man with my own eyes, so I can't use that, but I can at least look at stats from most highly-regarded big men. Stats can be misleading, I know, but it's the best we have. And to keep things even, let's look at only their first two games against non-high major teams.

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Alex Len: better than Andre Drummond.

Of course, who knows if he's actually better or worse than some of these guys - two games is hardly a fair sample size. It's tough to compare Len to, say, Rakeem Chrismas or James McAdoo, who are on much better teams and thus can't get anywhere near Len's minutes; it's also tough to do it with someone like Kyle Wiltjer, who didn't look great against mid-majors but dropped 17 against Penn State. This is what we have, so I'll give it to you, but remember to measure how much you try to draw out of it.

Still: with the exceptions of Anthony Davis and Quincy Miller (who's more a 3 than a 4, but I'll include him as a face-up 4), he had probably the best opening two games of the bunch. We'll see if he's similarly good against better competition, but if he's Cody Zeller-good, well, that's pretty fantastic for Maryland.

Is Nick Faust hitting his stride? It's way too early to say so for sure, but he's certainly looked much better since Pe'Shon Howard came back to the lineup and let him come off the bench at his more-natural 3 spot. Over the past three games, he's had 20 points on a respectable 12-26 (3-7) with 10 assists and only one turnover.

That's ... well, for a sixth man, that's actually darn good. Faust does look more comfortable at the 3, not necessarily as a catch-and-shoot sniper (though he did do that a bit against Samford) but as an all-around small forward. He has the ability to do a lot well, including passing - averaging more than 3 assists per game at the 3, which is what he's done since moving off the point, is fantastic. But his shooting will probably make or break him; he looked great in that department against Samford, and in fact that was probably what most were expecting out of him right away

Even before the Samford game, I thought he looked much better coming off the bench at the 3. His comfort level and activity were much better even just against Radford, even though his shooting wasn't back yet; if he can get his stroke going, he has great potential off the bench for the rest of the year. It looks like he's getting his swagger and confidence back, both in his all-around game and his jumper in particular.

Other assorted thoughts: Free throw shooting isn't yet fixed. Maryland is fourth in the country (second in the ACC behind only Duke) in getting to the free throw line, but they shot only 64% from the stripe since Howard's return. That's in line with their season average, which is dead last in the ACC and one of the worst marks in the country. ... Mychal Parker looks less scary by the minute with the ball in his hands. Progress. ... Sean Mosley's average in the last three games? 5.3 points per game. He continues to involve himself in many different ways, but he's still not scoring at the rate I think most would've liked. ... I was wondering where most of Alex Len's minutes would come from. Berend Weijs has lost a few, as has Ashton Pankey, but I was really surprised to see James Padgett lose the most time, starting out on the bench against Albany before getting only 15 minutes of burn against Samford. Strange choice.

I don't know how much better Maryland is, or how good they can be. But I'm encouraged. I ended the Samford post with a similar sentiment: the Terrapins used to be fighting for the lives against Mt. St. Mary's, and now they're coasting to victory against teams of a similar quality. Yes, you could say that they've really only gotten to where they should've already been, but it's still a good feeling. And remember that many ACC teams have actually performed worse out-of-conference - Clemson's dropped games to Coastal Carolina and Hawaii, Florida State just lost to Princeton at home (and scored only 10 points in the first half!), and even everyone's new favorite darling Virginia boasts a loss to TCU and a near-loss to the worst team in the country (Towson).

All things considered, I'm giddy at being 9-3 right now. I don't think this is an NCAA tournament team, but I'm no longer resigned to finishing in the ACC basement. With the way Maryland is starting to play, it's possible that this is a mid-pack ACC team with the NIT as a very real possibility. Given my expectations before the season, I'd take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Nice writeup Ben

I agree with everything but I just think it is crazy to compare Len to some of these guys right now. Obviously it is fun to guess where he would have been but when we get into ACC play I would be thrilled with 10 points 7 rebounds and 22 minutes a game.

UCLA who?

by terps97 on Jan 1, 2012 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Stoglin's Shooting

Stoglin is actually a pretty good shooter naturally, if you have seen him shoot outside of games he is as solid as anyone else on the team. He has proven that he can hit open shots and I wouldn’t expect that to change, we just never saw him take too many of them the past year and a half because of the offense.

With that said, he isn’t going to be Ashton Gibbs like from the 3, but I would expect him to shoot a decent percentage the rest of the way and probably get about 3-4 threes per game.

by biggerboy on Jan 1, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. I think Stoglin is a decent shooter as well.

and he may be our biggest 3-point threat right now….

I actually like it when Faust or Peshon drives and Stoglin is out at the 3-point line as opposed to Stoglin driving and Faust or Peshon are out on the 3-point like. We need a 3-point shooter to loosen up defenses so they can’t just pack the lane. And I think Stoglin is the best or at the very least the most consistent 3-point shooter we have right now (which could be an issue later on).

Late in the games when we need Stoglin to take over I would like to see the ball in his hands at the start of the play to drive or shoot, but I wouldn’t mind him hanging out on the perimeter more early in the game to give us at least some sort of 3-pt threat

"You know my style of play - I know it will be asked - my style of play is winning... " -Mark Turgeon, Maryland Basketball head coach

by TurtleShel716 on Jan 1, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Also agree,

I think stoglin seems more streaky than he actually is because he used to take so many awful shots. I don’t think any player in the country can make the shots stoglin used to take on a consistent basis. Now that his shot selection has improved, maybe we are just seeing his shooting ability he had all along.

by Womp Womp on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Having a player that the opposing defense has to respect from deep,

will tend to open things up inside for the bigs. And as the defense cheats a step or two inside, It should also open things up for a Faust or Mosley on the opposite wing. When defenses have to worry about a pair of 3-point shooters and we have players like Len, Padgett and Pankey inside waiting for the rebounds, really good things can happen.

If Stogs hits 4 or 5 threes against Cornell, ACC teams will have something else to worry about.

by curterp on Jan 1, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's funny...

Before coming here, Turge had a reputation as preferring to coach a slow-it -down, grind-it-out sort of a gameplan. The first games of the season (admittedly with a depleted squad) did nothing to change that reputation. Now, it turns out he’s a been closet Jerry Tarkanian all along just waiting for the right bunch of guys. I like this because it makes for a more entertaining game. Also, I think a slow-down tempo would turn off some potential recruits.

by retlag on Jan 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

On the flipside...

The uptempo game with TURN ON additional (athletic!) recruits!

by Zol on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine that...

a coach coming in and adjusting to the talents and limitations of the current players. Coulda used that this fall, huh?

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Proud member of Trainyard Sleepers, BECW: S2
We're gonna win, you know. Stats lie.

by duck on Jan 1, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I remember reading that too

How Maryland fans should get used to scores in the 50’s and walking the ball up. How that was MT’s offense. Wonder where that went? Glad to see it leave.

by DudleyDoright on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If he does this against Puke or UNC

the scores will be about 105-55. The only way to beat these teams is an up tempo and shoot about 60%.

by Snappin Terp on Jan 2, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That was his rep at A&M

If you look back at the stats, when he coached at Wichita State in 2006 his team averaged 69.2 ppg. I’d hardly call that walking the ball up. The epitome of a great coach is being able to adjust your style and system to the talent you have to work with and Turge has proved he can do that. He will take us to the mountain top before 2015. I guarantee it

by terpsallday on Jan 2, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i feel like we arent sufficiently appreciating what len looks like he will be

hes been straight dominant at times, granted against lower competition, but totally seems like he might be one of the best big men in the country. additionaly, according to turge, once everyone gets more confy with each other on the court, len might be taking and making a few 3s a game. if he can actually do that, we legit have a dirk on our team which alone puts us right in the competition for a top 4 finish in the ACC. i keep saying it and i wont stop: we have quite the find on our hands

by terps3030 on Jan 1, 2012 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Nick Faust's Shot = Ugly

Despite his progress over the past three games I still don’t like what I’m seeing in terms of his shot. Yeah, he has a weird delivery with his right arm going across his face, which can’t be good. Even more worrying than that, on the last of his open 3 pointers, the ball had a seriously weird spin (or lack of). Looked like a Shaq free throw, with no backspin and quite a bit of kick to the side.

by Big Squeezy on Jan 1, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

His form *IS* unorthodox

But it is what it is…and it is likely too late to change it. He just needs to get used to delivering the shot at college level game pace. It is likely he will be fine…(to be honest, his shooting form reminds me of Reshard Lewis…who looks terrible shooting but made quite a bit of money shooting that way.)

by Zol on Jan 1, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics

But I really like your Stoglin “within the flow” statistics. I was trying to say the same thing in a previous post, but your statistics really prove the point.

by jfnatalie on Jan 1, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Sub and up-tempo

I noticed many positives at this game, not the least of which, as Ben alluded to, were frequent substitutions with 2-4 players. If memory serves me correctly, there 3-6 times where 4 players were brought in at once. This may serve us well in the future: 1) if we run, 2) will allow for multiple sets of players to get experience playing together before ACC play, and 3) will be used to keep everyone fresh.

by terp 73 on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

The depth will allow us t use defensive pressure

when we need it. I didn’t see us pressing much – if at all against Samford. Turge just might be keeping that in his back pocket to surprise and ACC team or two.

by curterp on Jan 1, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

We pressed one time against Stamford, and got a turnover!

I recall an interview where Turge said he would like to press, but admitted he would probably never do it as much as Gary did. I think the full-court press can be devastating when used at the right time, but it’s a two-edged sword. If your opponents are able to break it, it can often lead to easy baskets for them.

by retlag on Jan 2, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like Turge plans on using pressure more as a surprise tactic.

When Gary was here, other teams KNEW we were going to press, and spent lots of time preparing for it. If it’s used as a change of pace, other teams won’t prepare as much for it, and it might be more effective.

by curterp on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

On the flip side, the less we use the press in games

the less experience will have using it, thus maybe making it less effective. But I hear what you’re saying, Turge may want to wait to key situations in games to “sick the dogs”. I don’t know if we have the personnel yet to be an effective pressing team. Next year with Layman causing havoc and an experienced Len waiting at the basket to swat any press breaks, it could be a deadly tool.

by 1 proud terp on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You know where my opinion falls

since I started a thread thinking about the NIT. I’m also with you Ben on being close to giddy with where we are relative to my pre-season expectations especially after Pe’ went down with the injury.

by FHFAN on Jan 1, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Tournament

Why should we give up on the tournament? We now have 9 solid players, and the committee has shown in the past they will consider that we didn’t have Pe’shon or Len for all our losses so far.

We are one of the few ACC teams that have to play Duke and UNC twice. Let’s say we go 9-7 in the ACC (9-3 against teams that are not Duke and UNC) and pick up a road win at Temple. That might be slightly optimistic, but definitely doable. Past those two, there are no dominant teams in the ACC. That resume doesn’t get in the tournament?

Turgeon has high expectations for this team, why shouldn’t we?

by earlbadu on Jan 1, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

All your points are good

A 9-7 record could get us in, but it we’d need a couple other things as well for that to happen:

1) One of those 9 wins would have to be against UNC or Duke, maybe even two

2) Notre Dame would have to be an at-large pick as well, giving us another good win

3) Maybe two wins in the ACC Tourney

by aholla30 on Jan 1, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

It is a 68 team field. VT not getting in last year was, franky, ridiculous, I don’t care that VCU went to the Final Four. 9-7 and a win over Temple gets us in, even if we go 0-4 vs. Duke/UNC, regardless of what happens to ND. Now, if we end up out of the top 4 seeds in the ACC tourney, and lose in the first round to BC or WF or GT or whoever is in the cellar, that might be a different story.

by earlbadu on Jan 2, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

The only thing is the NCAA could screw us over. There are a lot of good at large teams out there. I don’t know how many ACC teams they will let in. Maybe 4? As we’ve seen the past two years from VT, 10-6 might night be good enough. We have to upset Duke or UNC at least once, maybe even twice. Honestly I think we can play with anyone in the ACC except for UNC. 10-6 is a real possibility if we play to our potential, especially with PeShon and Len back.

by nhlnflnba18414 on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

These next two games (Cornell and at NC State) should tell us alot...by the end of January we will also have played (Duke, VT, and Wake at home and Florida St and Temple away) we should have a much better sense about where we stand.

A victory at NC State over Yow and the crownies would be huge. NC State has good size and atheletism and I know it’s early but that could be a big early statement win or we could just as easily get steamrolled and have to temper expectations. Bottom line by the end of January we will have faced an array of ACC teams and have a much better sense about where we stand…I can’t wait to see Len in action with these games coming up and I agree with terps3030 we could be underestimating what we now have as a team. A couple keys that I hope we can get good at are perimeter shooting- specifically players other than Stoglin emerging as weapons (Peshon, Len, Faust, Parker in particular) and low post offense- feeding the guys down low! It will be interesting to see how good we our at pressing and how effective Peshon distributing and starting the offense when he’s up against ACC competition.

by terpsontop on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

New Year's Predictions

Len will become a double double machine and be the best ACC center by year’s end.

Padgett will continue to hit the boards, become a lockdown defender and demonstrate intensity every minute he’s on the floor. He too will put up double doubles.

Pankey will stick to his rebounding and hustle. He’ll master a little 10-12 foot baseline jumper and call for the ball. His box out D will be huge no matter who we play. Look for him to have 10 ppg on a consistent basis.

Weijs gets his 10-12 minutes and continues to show enthusiasm by running the floor well, blocking shots, making put backs and scoring 6 ppg.

Mosley averages 10 ppg, 6 rpg, 3 assists off of 25 minutes per game. He is the best all around defender on the team.

Parker likes everything about playing ball for Turgeon. He continues to get his minutes and shows improvement everytime out on the court. 8 ppg at 15 min per.

Nick as the sixth man will get scary good. He gets minutes at the 2-3. His D will be great and his stroke will come.

Terrell will maintain his perimeter shot and continue to avgerage 22 ppg. His defensive intensity will continue to improve. He thrives off the ball.

Pe will be the assist leader in the ACC. He’ll add 8-10 ppg and continue to be the guy that puts everyone else in their comfort zone.

Team Chemistry will go from average to outstanding.

Passing will go from average to great.

Even Free Throws will be much better.

They come into the Duke Game with only 3 losses.

Duke doesn’t have the Nolan- Singlar type player this year.

In an upset of historic nature, the Terps at the buzzer, Thus insuring an NCAA berth.

A long shot to be sure but stranger things have happened.

by ftmyersterp on Jan 2, 2012 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

And I'm an absolute stud,

not short, fat, bald and old.

But I’d like some of that Kool-Aid.

by curterp on Jan 2, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

You said everything that I keep hoping

Without me having to post it. I’m already busy making another batch of kool-aid because I already drank all of the first batch. Sugar high.

r-hgr

by HughGR on Jan 2, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Hoping is one thing, reality is another

Hope you are right, but reality tells me we might not even make it to the NIT. You’re a year ahead of this team.

by Snappin Terp on Jan 2, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet 16....seriously

The presence of a 7’1’ center that can play cant be understated. How many other college teams have that? Right now, I think I’d take Len over any other big man in the ACC- Zeller is more polished, but Len’s a better athlele. Duke has #‘s, but outside those 2 teams, this team can beat anybody else in the ACC. Youve got a guy in Stoglin that can consistently get 20-25 a night, a solid PG in Howard, a couple bulldog type PF’s in Pankey and Padgett, a 4 man rotation on the frontline without serious drop-off from 1 player to the next, and finally, 3 wings that all can contribute- 2 of which I think we’ll continue to show improvement in their game over the course of the season. The key to this team will be a continued committment to improving o nthe defensive end- if stoglin buys in on D, and continues to be able to get his 20 off the ball, theres no reason this shouldnt be a tournament team. Fortunately, I think the Coach expects the same..

by Asnis71 on Jan 2, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Are you projecting we'll have 20 wins or so

by the end of the regular season? That would make us the 3rd or 4th seed in the ACC tournament. Assume at least one more win there. That would make us a 4-6 seed in the NCAAs. Is that what you’re thinking?

by curterp on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think its possible

This team with Len is now on par with the 2010 team, although without the senior leadership of Greivis, hayes and Milbourne. Len is better though than Jordan Wiliams, Stoglin can be a more consistent scorer than Greivis. Hayes’ outside shot is hard to replace, but I think the rebouding and toughness on the inside can be much better. I’m not saying they’ll be there wih Carolina and Duke, but they may be just behind. That said, I think the potential is also there that their inexperience could lead to 5 or 6 wins in the ACC.

by Asnis71 on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

big difference

howard being here actually makes stoglin play better and not just shoot better. watching the samford game he dished the ball twice to runners on the break instead of going for the shot like he would’ve earlier in the season. but who plays better next to Len… padgett or pankey? or even weis? i loved the weijs len lineup a few games back.

by space_ on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

I'm going to watch to see the team develop..

Can our big men be a force inside against D1caliber players?

Can our guards continue to develop in the new system? (I do miss the flex!)

Win/loss in this ACC won’t mean much.

by 7YearGrad on Jan 2, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

If we can win 6 ACC games

And somehow beat Temple, we have a chance to make the NIT. Next year will be a different story.

by Snappin Terp on Jan 2, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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Big Ten Network makes a profit of $79 million
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New 2013 SG - RJ Curington
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Russell Wilson Rule
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What does the ACC offer? -from FSU

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