Post in support of Edsall
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Sep 24, 2011 9:53 PM EDT
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Alright, there's a couple different Fan Posts about this and about 100 different comments, so forgive me for not reading everything before I write this as some people may have already said what I'm about to. I'm sure this will likely make me almost as unpopular as firegary, but quite honestly I don't care.
If you are venting, I get it. I'm upset to. That was one of the worst games I've seen in a long time. And yes, the coaching staff deserves alot of blame, the majority of it even. But the players are still the ones on the field getting their butts handed to them.
But to claim we need to fire Edsall? That's literally the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my entire life, one which has been filled with ridiculous things. IT'S BEEN THREE GAMES!!! Some things take time.
For those who claim they wish Fridge should still be our coach, please understand exactly what you are saying. I'm not going to get into whether he should or shouldn't have been fired, it's in the past. First of all, these are still ALL of his recruits that laid an egg on the field today. Secondly, sure he won last year, but we weren't exactly playing a hard schedule. Don't forget just two years ago we only won two games, losing to Middle Tennessee, Rutgers, Wake Forest, UVA, and Duke and ALMOST losing to James Madison. He had also completely lost this area in recruiting. I'm not going to say we don't have good players on this team, but these players are built for a different type of team.
For those who claim Mike Leach should be the hire, I think we would easily be in the same exact postion now as we would be if that was the case. Crowton's offense and Leach's offense are not THAT different. They are both pass heavy, screen heavy offenses. Neither goes down the field much. And if you don't believe me, please think back to the ECU game last year and how putrid their offense was, they ran the same exact thing and we dominated it.
For those who claim Franklin should've been the coach. Really? Is that really what you want? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Look, it's this staffs first season. It is a complete scheme change on both offense and defense, they are going to take time to install as there really aren't many similarities from last years schemes to this years schemes. Danny O'Brien had a full year to learn the offense before last year, which was part of the reason he looked so good for a freshman. This time around, he's being thrown into the fire immediately. Also, don't forget there's no Torrey Smith, Da'Rel Scott, Ronnie Tyler, etc. Those are HUGE losses, especially when transitioning to a new scheme.
Also don't forget that this team only has 7 seniors listed on it's two deep depth chart. Not exactly a team filled with seasoned guys.
As for recruiting, are we seriously going to rate a guys recruiting after this short of a period of time? The guys we have on our board right now are the guys that fill out a recruiting class, whether it's a top 20 class or top 50 it doesn't matter, these guys are what will always be the base of our recruiting class. And they are all being recruited to fit our new schemes, which is key. Sure we don't have that one guy you can really hang your hat on, but you also have to realize that those guys haven't committed yet. Goldman, Diggs, Brown, Spence, etc, are all still open. The fact that we are still one of the first few teams listed for these guys is HUGE and a testament to the work Edsall is putting in. When was the last time you heard of or saw a picture of Friedgen recruiting his tail off? I honestly don't think I ever did. And all I've heard for the past two months is how visible Edsall has been with these recruits. That will pay dividends in the end, but you have to be patient. We're not the school yet that we can offer a scholarship and a kid will jump all over it.
I can understand your frustrations with the game today and the need to vent. Like I said, the coaching staff including Edsall deserves a large portion of the blame. But let's not be irrational after three games. Let's at least act like we know what we're doing here. This likely won't be the year we win the ACC, but I feel alot better about our program today than I felt a year ago. I hope you all do to once you look past today's game. Have faith.
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I say
Have faith. Have faith that our personnel is doing the best they possibly can.
by Maryland Pride on Sep 24, 2011 10:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry,
KA doesn’t get paid to try his best, but to succeed. If this is his best, then he needs to find a new line of work.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 24, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked over the 2010 season ...
Well letssee … last year, the Terps were 9-4 including the bowl win over East Carolina. In the regular season, their wins included:
beating up 3-9 Wake Forest (1-7 ACC);
a 3 point win over 7-6 Navy;
a 3 point win over 7-6 Boston College;
a 5 point win over 3-9 Duke (1-7 ACC);
beating a 4-8 Virginia (1-7 ACC);
beating FIU, the 7-6 champ from one of the worst FBS conferences;
beating up an FCS team, Morgan State;
beating #23 NC State.
So one quality win out of eight?
Hmmmmm.
Maybe last year the team wasn’t quite as good as the record indicated …. maybe Edsall should get some more time.
Today’s game was absolutely revolting. Maybe they were just following the example of coming out flat the way the Steelers did in week 1 and the Ravens did in week 2.
I’m withholding judgement until I see how they come out against Towson and beyond that.
anything other than a 30+ point win over Towson will be inexcusable.
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
I agree with everything you said
and I only have one word to argue against it….
TEMPLE!!!
Temple almost beat...
Penn State last week.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And PSU would...
beat the hell out of us too.
The point is, using ONE WORD in TEMPLE doesn’t say anything unless you understand Temple is no slouch, and quite to the contrary.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
and lets be honest...
we got destroyed in the navy game. should have lost be three touchdowns at least.
by (adm)iregary on Sep 25, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but ... the point is ...
They weren’t a “great team” last year despite their 9-4 record.
They’re wildly inconsistent this year, going from nearly beating #18 West Virginia to getting embarrassed by a Temple team that nearly knocked off Penn State.
Give Edsall some time.
That is not all that matters...
Wins are only equal in the win column. In everything else, they are not equal. For evaluation purposes, just barely beating a weak team will tell you a whole lot about how good your team is.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1...the guy is going to need a couple yrs to bring his players in.
And NC State could have easily won that game also….there were suspect calls that went MD’s way. Not complaining :) but point being we definitely didn’t win convincingly.
Shitty all around yesterday…..Practice should be fun this week :)
Coaches should run sprints also….Team look very unprepared….blame goes all around.
Agreed
Who wouldn’t be pissed about todays game. The temple players wanted it a hell of alot more. Maybe the coaches aren’t firing up the players, but theres no excuse for that debacle of a game. Maryland has to go balls to the wall madness and turn it around for ACC play. It is 3 games ill wait for the rest of the season either way im a huge fan of maryland. Ill be rooting every week for this team.
by terpsfinish on Sep 24, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Every team has bad games...
The Ravens pummeled the Steelers in the opener, and got thumped by Tennessee in game 2. It happens. It’s part of the game.
MD could’ve beaten the 18th-ranked team in the country last week, even though the QB didn’t play well. It’s one game!
To be fair...
the asshats calling for Joe Flacco’s head share some overlap with the same asshats here calling for Edsall to be fired so that KA can commit seppuku on a gigantic pirate sword, thereby making Mike Leach coach-for-life and Maryland a NC contender by next year.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 25, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm witholding final judgement on RE until I see what he does
in conference play. Sometimes a team needs to have its shit handed to them before they realize what it takes to win. Maybe the kids really tuned out Randy and didn’t think they needed to “buy in”. Well, now Randy has the opportunity to say, so do ya’ll wanted keep having your asses handed to you in front of your friends and family, or do you wanna listen to me and do what I tell you to?
On another note…for the love of God, can we get some fuckin Red in next weeks uni’s?!?!?!
Anyone who thinks we need to fire Edsall...
after one game is retarded.
We beat a solid Miami team. Lost to a very good WVU team. And faultered today. Plenty of time for Edsall to turn it around this year and beyond.
No, I’m not happy about losing to Temple. But you gotta give it some time.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 24, 2011 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
we didn’t beat a solid Miami team. We beat 3/4 of a solid Miami team before anyone had scouted our “offense”. Even that pathetic excuse of a team Miami fielded figured out what we were doing after 20 minutes of football and came close to beating us.
The WVU game wasn’t anything to hang our hats on either. Its easy for a team winning by 24 points to mentally check out, but when the game was on the line, DOB choked.
As I recall...
we’ve had our own attrition problems between grades and players being suspended for assault. I’d be willing to bet we have more people missing from our team than Miami does.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 25, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
While Miami was playing without some of its better players...
football teams are not comprised of 32 players.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 25, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Edsall will prove to be an excellent
coach and hire for Maryland. He works tirelessly and will succeed both in recruiting and in putting a competitive team on the field. Let’s have a little more faith people.
You want to field a "competitive" team?
Because I was under the impression we fired the Fridge because he couldn’t get us over that hump…
No, Fridge was forced out...
because he’s old and he wanted a contract in line with his waist size, with a multi-year guarantee. As NYTerp would say “Economics, plain and simple”. Fridge mis-judged his buyers, and now he’s sitting at home.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 25, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Now this I can agree with.
Fridge vastly overestimated his worth in dealing with a new AD, and got shitcanned for it.
Fear the Turgle!
Call Fridge back to be OC next year?
Pro set Offense baby – Fridge is a wiz with it, like it or not… let him just do that, and he kicks ass…
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Sep 26, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, get someone who runs a pro offense...
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 26, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
realize - my sense of humor and irony
I like Fridge, but that has about as much chance as Leach being our next coach – lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Sep 26, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know...
I just think that you have to play to your strengths, and clearly DOB was comfortable running the offense last year after prepping in spring practice as an early enrolee. To switch to some bizarre spread/gun offense and ask him to make horizontal passing plays is a bit of an odd choice, and unfair to a guy the program is supposed to be building around.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 27, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
on the bright side
we’re still perfect against the ACC… and I think we’re at that point where we play to the level of our competition. We’ll play better against good teams since they know its gonna be rough, we just have to handle these smaller teams and not just assume it will be a win
Stop Overreacting
I’m just as disappointed with that performance as the rest of you calling for Edsall’s job after the 3rd game. Let me reiterate. THIRD! You guys are worst than those women on The View, any small occurrence and you go on and on and on like an old spinster. First of all, Temple is a legit team. They lost to Penn State, but held them to 14 points. We got outplayed, outcoached, and out anything else yesterday, but calling for the coaches head after the 3rd game is a bit over the top.
I agree that many aspects of the game have to improve and be addressed, but this is not the end of the road after the 3rd game (again I have to remind you). The offensive coordinator has got to do a better job of knowing his personnel and calling the right plays for that personnel. Players, coaches, fans, students, the university community, etc are going to have to step up. Players and coaches especially obviously. That was a lackluster, half assed, performance by both the offense and defense. It was totally unacceptable. Now it seems that Edsall is a no bs type of guy, but I said that after the loss to WVU and they came out flat against Temple too, so his ability to get his team emotionally involved has not yet been seen. I will pass further judgment after this Towson game.
Just like many of you were urging me to be patient with Dalonte Hill and our Bball team, I am urging you guys to be patient as well. Let this thing play out.
*All Terp Everything*
And yet
the Bradford hiring is still a head-scratcher. I know Edsall was left in the lurch by Brown’s departure, but Bradford really didn’t have much success up to this point. He is clearly not very good at coaching assignments and discipline. The first play from scrimmage showed that. And, there was never any adjustment.
For all that, it is also painfully true that the defense really is just undermanned and undersized and that is NOT this staff’s fault. So, back to the drawing board for the coaching staff. On Offense, please put the vertical pass back into the play calling (hint, it worked great in week 1) and, on Defense, time to get creative.
After a three hour ride home
I am done venting. Did that with a buddy and family the whole way home. I only have observations now that I have settled down. It is evident that we have some serious work to do. Last year, as I have been thinking, was more of a gift for Freidgen than I originally thought. While Danny burst on the scene as an unknown the Terps never really beat a team of serious quality. After going 2-9 the year before, the scheduling gods looked down upon the rotund one and gave him a break. Franklin left(for his own benefit), making it not a necessity that Freidgen be gone but making it easier to push the guy out knowing that we were probably not as good as 9-4. His recruiting was not bad, but not nearly good enough. That lands us where we are today. Edsall has a team, a decent team, but not one good enough to recover from suspensions, injuries, and NCAA violations. Yes, Edsall and his staff are dealing with lost preparation time and a loss in scholarships due to what his predocessor left him with. It struck me as Randy was talking after the game stating that they had to get back to it on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday to get ready for Towson. I know that Friday’s practices are usually just pregame walkthrough stuff but why, I thought, is there no practice on Monday and why does he not consider Friday a day to get things done. Then I remembered about the loss of practice time penalty he must deal with due to Ralph’s violations. So if the recruiting was down and preparation time is now cut down, how can we expect a whole lot. Yes, we beat Miami and yes they were without a good many starters and they had all of the fall camp to get ready for them but now that the regular weeks are upon us and regular preparation time is crucial we are minus three hours of practice time. Three hours does not sound like a whole lot, but when you only have 20 hours to begin with, Edsall and his staff are down a little less than 1/5 of their practice time. To put that in perspective, it would be the equivalent of having a major presentation every week and only having a little over four days to put it together. I am not making excuses for Edsall, but only understanding what he has got to work with. Maybe others should as well.
This
While RE may not ultimately be the answer, the fact that some ppl here are calling for Friedgen back is simply ridiculous
by TurtlePower88 on Sep 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is to say
That RE is not the answer. He built a program in UConn from IAA to a Bowl Subdivision Big East Champion. While the naysayers comment on the fact that the Big East was weak, it still contained a team(West Virginia) that MD did not beat. As a matter of fact, it was not even close. Give him some time, while Freidgen had success immediately with another coach’s recruits he could not consistently sustain, through his own recruiting, his early success.
I agree with everything u said....
thats why i said MAY not be. I’m still giving him a chance here
by TurtlePower88 on Sep 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
ACC Title
I still believe we are getting an ACC title.
by Terrapin Insider on Sep 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
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