Terps Shell-Shocked: Maryland Blown Out by Temple, 38-7
There are really no words. Coming in as nine-point favorites, Maryland was absolutely clobbered, manhandled, and nearly shut out by the Temple Owls at Byrd Stadium earlier today, 38-7. Temple running back Bernard Pierce rushed for 149 yards - 108 of them in the first half - and a MAC-record 5 touchdowns, while Owl QB Chester Stewart was 9-9 for 140 yards. The Owls outgained Maryland 422-240 and dominated the game in every aspect. In truth, the score was closer than the performance.
Maryland took the ball to start the first half, and promptly went three-and-out. Temple's first play was a 54-yard pass from Stewart to tight end Evan Rodriguez, and the Owls punched the ball in three plays later. Now, just imagine that script on repeat. Normally I'd recap the rest of the game, that pretty much did the job.
Apologies if this seems hack-ish, but there's really not much to say in terms of analysis. Temple is a good team; I've said as much several times, and they did outscore their first three opponents - two of which are pretty bad, admittedly - 97-20. But they're not that good of a team. I don't think they're a "better" team than Maryland on most days, and certainly not 31 points better.
Give the Owls credit - they might've been flawless in that first half - but most of the blame here is on Maryland, both their players and their coaches. The team was lackadaisical from the very start, and never seemed to care about the outcome. Confidence was lacking, emotion was lacking, everything was lacking. The offense was bad, the defense was bad, even Danny O'Brien was below-average, his second such performance in two weeks. I'm not going to waste my time or my words recapping everything that was wrong, but suffice it to say that a lot was wrong.
The criticism that's poured down (and will pour down) was fully expected and mostly justified. The players obviously didn't show up today, and some measure of blame has to lay with them for that, but it's the coaches I consistently give the lion's share of the blame for that type of problem - one of their big responsibilities is to have their guys ready to go, and they didn't today. The playcalling wasn't particularly egregious, mostly because Maryland was never in the game, but it left a lot to be desired, especially on offense.
Any confidence I had in Randy Edsall as a program CEO or Gary Crowton as the offensive coordinator has now eroded just about entirely. (I never had any confidence in Todd Bradford.) Maryland as a team was bad today, and the normal offensive production that provides some reason for optimism was entirely absent. There isn't much to be happy about right now.
In a wider context, it's a shame what this loss has the potential to do to the Maryland program's momentum. After the Miami game, Maryland mattered on a national scale - recruiting was going well with big local targets, they were nationally relevant, and they had landed a big win over an ACC contender. Three weeks later, they sit at 1-2 and are teetering on laughingstock status after that performance. This loss kills the buzz around the program, will result in a drop in attendance - one Maryland can ill afford - and, perhaps most importantly, will likely set the program back in recruiting. A win over Towson will do little to redeem themselves next week, so they'll have to operate in their current state until a game at Georgia Tech in two weeks - and in case you've missed their earlier games this year, GT is very good.
But hey, look at the bright side: if nothing else, Temple isn't an ACC opponent. We know that Maryland can be better than they are today - they certainly were against West Virginia and Miami. This was an embarrassing loss and might be an ominous harbinger of things to come, but there's still time to right the ship before getting to the games that matter. Any hopes of an ACC title have obviously evaporated, but they can still be a decent, not embarrassing team.
At least hopefully a little less embarrassing than they were today.
A more wordy recap of the carnage will come tomorrow with the Stock Report (hint: most people will be in the Stock Down category) but for now, I have to figure out some way to salvage the rest of my Saturday.
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on the way to a good old-fashioned coach controversy
"What the hell did you do that for"... Tubs Mom
by raider realist on Sep 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but the immediate controversy
is only C.J. Brown vs. Danny O
by Joe Bradshaw on Sep 24, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not calling for his head yet
but when is edsall’s contract up?
by kryptonianjorel on Sep 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's Randy's dream job
http://www.youtube.com/user/GoTerps2012 Go Terps!
When CJ was playing
were the starters for Temple even in the game? Or had they gone to their 2nd / 3rd / 8th string players?
Can't recall...
Either way he seemed to have a better command of the offense
by Joe Bradshaw on Sep 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you're being ridiculous.
he came in after the game was 38-0 with 4 minutes left. lets squash this talk right now. maybe they both get a lot of playing time next week but give danny o credit for keeping his head up, remember there were at least 4 dropped passes and a bad call on a deep play by the refs. everything just went wrong, it was a quicksand game.
Stock up: CJBrown and Devonte Campbell
How bad does Danny feel?. CJ comes in a becomes the leading rusher, and proceeds to throw a TD.
against a not so great defenses scrubs.
Any given Saturday i guess but i think Maryland is a better team/ had a bad day.
Give me Danny O’Brien any day of the week . Your crazy.
Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Sep 25, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
everyone is writing the same thing. we get it. you’re angry.
by word2bigbird on Sep 25, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
they got caught looking ahead to the towson game. pretty simple.
by fkterp on Sep 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Nah...
I think they really are just not that good…
by Joe Bradshaw on Sep 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least
We have cool jerseys. It’s alright if we play like shit, at least UA has us looking like assholes.
by Maryland Pride on Sep 24, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it's better to look like an athlete than to play like an athlete.
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
Lower highs and higher lows
three weeks ago i read about a “program changing” win, today its a team “teetering on laughingstock status”. in my experience, the truth usually falls somewhere in the middle.
some one tell me why i shouldnt really really really like CJ
i want to see what the kids got
and yes i know i was the one
who made the danny obrien is amazing post a few weeks ago. sue me
He's still gonna be great.
Couple bad games. HORRIBLE PLAYCALLING! For Crying out loud they need to Air it out.
Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Sep 25, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Justified
He looked nice on that drive. Hopefully the QB controversy is back… we need a little controversy
by Joe Bradshaw on Sep 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
can he play on defense?
30+ points/game is a lot to overcome.
Just think how good Penn St. really is
Temple was bigger, faster and much more prepared today. Our coaching staff and players have to be completely embarassed.
Randy and staff couldn’t turn it around at halftime. Temple could easily have scored a couple more TD’s in the second half.
Edsall &Co. must convince their players and fans that today was just about the worst it will ever get. They must kick Towson’s butt thoroughly next week. If not, Terp football will reach a new low, and Kevin Anderson will have all fingers being pointed at him.
I am expecting a record low crowd for next Saturday.
Being blown out this badly in Football
Means that Turge could really boost us back up with a key recruit signing next week. That would surely ease the awful pain I feel right now.
A school that really cares about football...
…wouldn’t be counting on a basketball recruit to make up for it. Typical Maryland hoops-first mindset; no wonder it’s so hard to get five-star football talent here.
Ha Ha
OK, I’ll take a 5* football recruit to ease the pain.
by Snappin Terp on Sep 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How much money did
We pay for that cupcake to come play us?
I like Turtles!
Follow @RedTerrapin
by RedTurtle on Sep 24, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd suggest Edsall give everyone off until Sunday @6pm to think about do they want to be a part of the team
and put inthe effort….coaches included
Ben
You have every right to be as lazy with this post as the Terps were on the field. UNACCEPTABLE!
*All Terp Everything*
How do you turn a 9-3 team into a 3-9 team?
Fire the ACC coach of the year.
On a positive note, saw Mosley and Padgett in the tailgate parking lot….both looked jacked.
Saw Alexi Len….definitely not 7"
Saw Kevin Anderson….told him he should be fired.
Saw Wallace Loh….told him to fire Anderson.
From my seats behind UMD bench there was plenty of “We want Fridge” and “Edsall, you’ve lost the team.” Oddly some players were laughing and/or nodding at both comments.
by Fushezzi on Sep 24, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I've seen Alexi Len
And I’ve seen photos of him next to Beasley and others. He’s legit 7 foot.
by word2bigbird on Sep 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm 6'1
And stood right next to him and there was zero chance he was over a foot taller than me. He’s 6’10" by my 6 beer estimation
records can be decieving
9-4 including the bowl game, 8-4 in the regular season.
Those eight wins:
beating up 3-9 Wake Forest (1-7 ACC);
a 3 point win over 7-6 Navy;
a 3 point win over 7-6 Boston College;
a 5 point win over 3-9 Duke (1-7 ACC);
beating a 4-8 Virginia (1-7 ACC);
beating FIU, the 7-6 champ from one of the worst FBS conferences;
beating up an FCS team, Morgan State;
beating #23 NC State.
Eight wins … one quality opponent. Doesn’t look quite as good now.
I'd rather have
8 wins than 8 “quality losses”.
agreed, but ...
… a 9-4 Maryland against weak competition is not the same thing as (for example) a 9-4 Auburn or a 9-4 Texas A&M. Especially given the fact that they barely beat some weak teams.
Doesn't matter
Its not like our schedule is light years better than our schedule last year. We play 8 teams we played last year. Last year we had a decent team who took care of the teams it was supposed to take care of. Sure we lost to the better teams on the schedule, but thats what is supposed to happen. You aren’t supposed to lose out of conference games at home against mid-majors by 31 pts.
You can post the quality of our wins from last year all you want, but I’ll take a team that takes care of business over one who doesn’t any day.
Good News:
Maryland is 1-0 in the ACC
They haven’t lost in the Atlantic
They can still with ther Atlantic and ACC
They have found out they have another good QB as back-up
Bad News:
Two devistating loses
Embarrased on ACC network to a team trying to get into the Big East
That is we lost to a team
who was asked to leave the Big East :-/
by DrH-Terp2005 on Sep 24, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible
The team looked like they didn’t care about this game. They didn’t run out before the game. Zero energy. Talk about a waste. I hold Edsall responsible. He should have benched some guys who weren’t putting in the effort. Make a statement coach.
Half the players didn't even touch Testudo when they came onto the field
What’s up with that?
by Snappin Terp on Sep 25, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What a joke. Losing to temple is an embarrasment to the program and the school.
Another loss like this and Edsall should be gone. IDGAF
Temple may have been jacked for another reason
Other than avenging their lopsided loss to the Terps last year, Temple may have had a lot of extra incentive to look great and beat us because they want to prove to the ACC they belong in this conference. Actually they would be a great addition, with a great BBall tradition and the Philly market area, which the ACC would love to penetrate. Think about it.
Are you joking?
College Park is an easy drive from Philly and still there were maybe 100 Temple fans at the game. The only good part about the loss today was the lack of visiting fans.
Here's what I want::
I want a personal phone call from Randy. I want him to say three things:
1. I am embarrassed.
2. I apologize.
3. I will make this right.
Here's what I want from Edsall:
1. I’m in over my head.
2. Way over my head.
3. Anyone have Ralph’s phone number?
by Fushezzi on Sep 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give him a break.
Edsall made comments at halftime about players stepping up and executing, seeing who wanted to wear the uniform. I Do you want to see him out there missing tackles or dropping passes? I have no doubt that he is embarrassed but over his head, please. Coach is instilling pride and commitment to the program and that can have some really bad moments and growing pains. Don’t get me wrong, this is the worst loss I can remember but RF? Really!?!
Let’s get the ship right with Towson, get the receivers clicking and the D making tackles and go strong into the ACC.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Sep 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when are you supposed to have growing pains coming off a 9-3 season with most of your key players returning?
national program
We’re looking to build a consistently nationally ranked program. Not a Military Bowl every other year program.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Sep 24, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ummm yea lets see adrian moten, alex wujciak, antwince perez, torrey smith, adrian cannon, and travis baltz didn’t suit up today for the terps…not to make excuses for this team today but to say that there shouldn’t be growing pains with losing these players and a whole new coaching staff is a little optimistic
He couldn't...
Just b/c they are OUR best players doesn’t suddenly make them 4 and 5 star athletes. Get a grip.
check out the # of players RALPH put into the NFL, he is either a great recruiter or a great coach!
You make my pee-pee maker t-t-tingle.
LOL
so you’re saying just cause we got humiliated yesterday, you’re happy to go back to just being a mediocre ACC team like we always were with Ralph? When did we ever step up and win a big game under Ralph? rarely. I’m not necessarily saying RE will do that for us, but its only been 3 games. At least give him a chance to recruit his own players and make his mold on the program. If it doesn’t get better after this year or next, then a change will likely need to be made. But going back to Ralph is just stupid
by TurtlePower88 on Sep 25, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
New unis and spread offense had us flying high but we're back to blocking, tackling, and mental toughness now.
We also need better coaching. We live and die with our passing game. Having to throw into duoble and triple coverage in the last two games means the opposition knows how to shut it down. As to the D, its hard to know if we actually improved in the second half because Temple was just protecting their lead. I did watch Kenny today. Frankly, I hope this experiment ends soon. As Ben and others have said, Kenny either gets locked up with someone on the OL when he rushes or gets caught inside as he did today on passes to the tight ends. As to special teams, I liked Tony’s aggressiveness although it hurt us at times. However, the blocked punt was off a set play Temple knew they could use against that formation. That was coaching breakdown. Randy et al need to raise their.
our defense just doesnt have the size upfront
and the athletes everywhere else. We got abused from start to finish.
Anyone got Kevin Plank's contact info
We need to tell him that if he wants to act like a big time booster, instead of giving us free cr@ppy looking uniforms, why doesn’t he just do it the old-fashioned way and just pay off 5-star recruits and their families / entourages to come play at Maryland.
Leach
The interesting part about Leach is we might still have Don Brown as DC. With Edsall not leaving UConn, there would be no opening for Brown to leave us. Bradford is terrible. Brown really screwed us by leaving so late in the process.
Those are bonehead comments
Less than dignified and less than what I would have expected of you.
by clevesanterp on Sep 24, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I also blame...
…any of you who don’t have a good enough excuse to go to games like this. I’m not looking to take the blame off of anyone other than the coaches and players. But it’s got to be disheartening to run out of the tunnel and see so few people in the stands.
No excuse
For coming playing that badly. Who cares whether people are in the stands or not? They are scholarship players who go to practice everyday and work hard everyday to perform well on the field. They should want to play hard to justify all of the work they put in. They looked pathetic today. No excuses for that. Can’t blame fans for that. I do agree that fans need to support the team no matter who they are playing, but it’s because of losses like these that keep fans out of the stands.
I just threw up...
A little bit in my mouth.
by rquidas on Sep 24, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You still had vomit left to throw up
after watching the first half? How much DID you eat this morning?
Loss signifies
that Edsall has lost the locker room. It’d be one thing if they lost by a FG or TD in a close game but to get blown out like that…wow. Edsall and his militaristic approach are not working with this team…it’s obvious.
He better turn this around and get this team fighting.
Temple
beat us in bball the last 2 years and whooped us in football. That is pathetic.
by terp121 on Sep 24, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Help ...
I’ve fallen through a worm hole and Mark Duffner is the football coach!!
Duffner might not have been a good coach ...
… but he sure could recruit. His players were at the heart of Friedgen’s most successfull stretch as head honcho.
by Runningcloud on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Said it on an earlier thread that this was a STATEMENT game for the Terps
Just didn’t realize the statement would be “When does the basketball season start?”
Is basketball season really going to be better?
Not returning a single starting big man… We’ll be a high seed in the NIT at best
by engineeringTerp on Sep 25, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No senior leadership!
Sorry, but I see no senior leadership. To come out that flat…
by 7YearGrad on Sep 24, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
and what seniors are the leaders?
there’s only like 2. Tate and Meggett, both captains, but neither seems to be a “leader” in the fire up rah, rah sense.
Honestly
Their not that good. Idk the team seemed slow/small and completley manhandled. Hopefully they get their sh*t together for ACC play.
by terpsfinish on Sep 24, 2011 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How much does this hurt
Miami lost to KState…I realize the win in conference is huge but is Miami that bad???
by Reignman3133 on Sep 24, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
starting to think we should have honored James Franklin's CIW contract
if he can get vanderbilt to play well without “his players” he must be pretty damn good coach. and once he gets his recruits in there, vandy could be a decent SEC team a la MISS St., which is equivalent to a great ACC team. despite my love for lattimore ill be rooting for vandy and JF tonight. such a shitty day, and i broke my foot trying to jump over the fountain by hornbake. well here’s a clip of JF being a boss:
by churl77 on Sep 24, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and to be fair
i didnt want JF to become the head coach after Fridge, but thats why im not a paid member of the athletic department, someone should’ve seen this coming
Franklin
I wanted Franklin more than Edsall. I think JF is going to be (already is) a very good head coach. I think his offensive play calling leaves something to be desired, but that’s not the job of a head coach.
Temple finally beats MD in football
I was surprised to see TU play so well, past games vs MD have been all Terp rather easy wins. No MD comeback vs this team like the earlier loss to West Va, there MD made it close at the end
Congrats to the Owls and maybe this win will help get you to a Bowl game.
Temple's statement to join the ACC?
We could use an Owl to chase away the yellowjackets!
by Snappin Terp on Sep 25, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Retract my heart statement
Last week I said even admist the lost to WVU, atleast we knew we had a team with heart. I’d like to retract that statement.
Their performance today was downright cowardly. They had no flair, no emotion, no energy. Now if a team reflects a coach, then this isn’t too far off base. Edsall lacks that energy, but he also seems like the kind of coach that hates losing. That isn’t reflected in the players. I don’t know if they just expect to win every week, but from the sounds of it (Edsall’s press conference), they are not bringing it to practice. Forgeting the now famous Allen Iverson diatribe, practice is where a culture of winning is bred. If players have no energy in practice it is foolish to expect them to show energy in game situations. Edsall needs to address this and quickly before the season slips from his grasp. I dont know if the players just don’t respect him, but either way, it will be the difference from a winning season and a losing season.
That Miami game, where we saw a brilliant DOB and a pretty effective offense is not gone from our memories. The Terps have now strung back to back lackluster performances (although there was hope at the end of the WVU game) and have caused a lot of fans to question them and rightfully so. I did not see a ACC champion these last two games. I saw a mid-major type team that didn’t have belief in one another or the philosophy. So basically, I blame both the coaches and the players. Moreso the coaches for not preparing the players and not giving them the proper inspiration.
The Kenny Tate experiment needs to end. Pronto. I unserstand where their logic came from in putting Tate at that position, but it is not working. They need to move him away from the line so that he can have a bigger impact flying to the ball. I am sure he is not happy with his numbers or his play. Get him some confidence and move him back to safety.
*All Terp Everything*
by asianterp on Sep 24, 2011 9:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
random
stop the Kenny Tate at LB experiment… espn crew today pointed out how badly tate was getting killed by OL.
Don Brown… said he should have been the head coach from day 1 of the coaching search… Crowton could run the offense, Brown with the defense
Tate/Mackall
Tate and Mackall are both playing out of position….problem is they are so small up front i don’t really think the coaches have much choice.
by Terp_Nation on Sep 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Small Up Front...
Edsall should have thought of that BEFORE he decided not to renew those 5 Yr Seniors schollies…
There Can Be Only One!
by RockCreekTerp on Sep 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets...
…Get one thing clear, this team should be 0-3, the Miami game was a fluke. F this team, F the u.is, F this coachinf staff, F this AD. On to BBall, hopefully the hire at BBall isn’t a failure like football. No wonder we are +$1M over budget, keep bringing in sleepers, that will change the culture. Did anyone hear KA on 105.7 last week? How the F did this guy get a job, he dodged every question, he is missing a chromosome.
by PhillyTerp on Sep 25, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Randy f’ing Edsall is the best KA could do? This will set us back 10 years.
by PhillyTerp on Sep 25, 2011 12:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
RE: Lets...
Hey, I’m not althogether happy with the Edsall regime, but the end of the world vitriol that you spew just doesn’t play here. Three games into the season (albeit with one bad loss) and you’re ready to blow the whole thing up AND go scorched earth! Lol, dude, take a valium and a chill pill!
There Can Be Only One!
by RockCreekTerp on Sep 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy...At least recruit some big DL's.
Because ours now wouldn’t even make the JV in high school, except for Vellano.
by Snappin Terp on Sep 25, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
time to
Email that douchebag Kirwin
by PhillyTerp on Sep 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Quick thought on James Franklin
I went to the Vandy-Carolina game last night and sat behind the Vandy bench. Although they lost 21-3 (and if not for shooting themselves in the foot a couple of times, could have been closer) Franklin’s team played hard the entire game. When his guys made mistakes, he took them to the side, talked to them, and patted them on the helmet each time, staying positive with them. As someone mentioned in a previous post, his play-calling is still the same as I remember when he was at MD, but Vandy’s headed in the right direction. I was impressed with them after their 2-10 season last year.
Before we fire Randy Edsall
let’s remember that these are not his players, for the most part. We’re not starting a bunch of freshmen. 2 years from now we will have a better idea if this was a good hire or a step back from RF. As much as I love MD football and hate to see our boys lose, switching from a pro-style to a spread offense and a new scheme on defense will take its toll. They will be playing much, much better ball after the Towson game, but that’s when the tough part of the schedule arrives. My prediction on the season is 6-6. We’ll beat BC, UVA, NCSt, and WF and go down against ND, FSU, Clemson and GT. It’s going to get worse before it gets better, but you can look forward to a 2 game win streak on the road to become bowl eligible.
Has Edsall Lost the Team?
Coming off the near-victory comeback against WVa, the Terps should have been flying yesterday. Instead, they crashed on takeoff.
In a posting above, Fushezzi reports this: “From my seats behind UMD bench there was plenty of "We want Fridge" and "Edsall, you’ve lost the team." Oddly some players were laughing and/or nodding at both comments.”
“Some” players do not necessarily reflect a team’s mood. But these “some” players showed what they think of the new coaching regime. And from the way the team played, it’s easy to think these “some” players aren’t alone in their feelings.
The team should not have been flat after the Miami victory and the near-comeback against WVa. They might have lost to Temple anyway, but they shouldn’t have done it so abjectly, Something last week caused them to go flat. Did Edsall and his staff kill their spirit by dwelling on the first half against WVa instead of emphasizing the positives in the second half?
This is a possible cause for a lousy showing by a team that could already have been on edge about Edsall’s leadership. Who knows what his sometimes nit-picky behavior and dress rules have done to morale? How many players are upset about his guilt-before-innocence approach to the two suspended wideouts? How do players really feel about the wisdom of the failing Tate experiment? How do they really feel about the new offensive and defensive schemes? Have they lost confidence in the leadership?
The questions are endless. All we can know with current knowledge is that the team was as flat as flat can be and that the coaches did not have the players properly prepared for Temple. Bad preparation and/or a loss of morale can explain a breakdown like yesterday’s. But its hard to believe coaches can poorly prepare simultaneously on all three fronts — offense, defense and special teams. Unless there is a broad problem with a team, one of these elements usually works at least decently in an otherwise bad game. All sucked yesterday, elevating as the possible cause something like morale that can affect an entire squad at once.
Anything less than a heartless trampling of Towson will add fuel to the lost-the-team fire.
Randy is three-games into his first season
Fans yelling that he has “lost the team” says far more about them than it does Randy and that relationship.

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