Top Terp Tournament: #1 Juan Dixon vs. #2 Joe Smith
And now, for the main event. For those just joining, we've been counting down the top 16 players of the Gary Williams era. Today we arrive at our final match up. Juan Dixon vs. Joe Smith.
I think almost everything expected and thinks that Juan Dixon deserved to be in the final and that showed by his 77%-23% victory over Walt Williams. But then we had the Vasquez v. Smith match up. I expected it to be close and I expected it to spark a lot of debate, which it indeed has. That match up seemed to pit the older Maryland fans against the younger fans. The final result? Smith edged out Vasquez by 23 votes. 23 VOTES! Talk about a fan base divided.
I think in the end, each player brought a lot to Maryland and the problem is a chicken and egg one - many feel that without Joe Smith, Maryland basketball today wouldn't exist. So regardless of what Vasquez accomplished, he wouldn't have been able to do so if Joe Smith never came to Maryland. For Vasquez, many pointed to the fact that he career was a four year one and he's the only player in ACC history who scored 2,000 points, dished 750 assists, and grabbed 600 rebounds. That's saying something. I wouldn't have had a problem with either making the final, so now we move onto the matchup of Dixon vs. Smith.
The One Seed - #3, Juan Dixon, G, 1998- 2002
Juan Dixon. If you're a fan of the Maryland Terrapins, that name should instantly bring a smile to your face. It should trigger memories of the 2002 National Title. I immediately remember sitting under the basket with Maryland's pep band playing "We are the Champions" and trying to watch the celebration that was occurring in front of me. I think of the 2001 Final Four, when Maryland finally broke through after that dominant game against Stanford. I I think of a kid who no one thought could make it in the ACC. He was a kid who overcame a lot in his life. Fortunately for him, one coach saw his potential and ensured that he lived up to it.
Dixon finished his career as Maryland's #1 leading scorer. In his career, Dixon averaged 16.1 points per game, including 20.4 points per game his senior season, to go along with 4.6 rebounds per game and 2.9 assists per game. Juan never really amazed me with crazy athletic ability or insane dunks. In fact, most of the time when he got a fast break he'd do the characteristic Juan Dixon finger roll into the front of the basket, rather than dunking. What amazed me about Dixon was his ability to get open, his knack for hitting an important shot, and his defense. I often felt that if you saw Dixon as an opposing player and had never heard of him, you'd probably brush him off in your mind and think there was no way this guy was going to beat you. But then he did. He did it running from the top of the key, under the basket and then reappearing at the free throw line to nail a jumper. He did it with a three pointer at just the right time, like in the national championship game when he hit a fade away three to give the lead back to Maryland after Indiana had taken their first lead of the game. He did it when he was out on the court for 39.5 of the 40 possible minutes. He did it making free throws at the end of the game, after swiping his hand across his heart in memory of his mother. Juan had this determination for winning and you saw it every time he was on the court. He emulated his coach out on the floor and when they finally got to the top of the mountain in 2002, the smile on both of their faces is something I'll never forget. He led Maryland to a place where no other player had been able to - the school's first National Title.
Dixon was also the 2002 ACC Player of the year and a consensus 1st-team All-American.
2002 NCAA Basketball Championship (via ncaaondemand)
The Two Seed: #32, Joe Smith, PF/C, 1993-1995
Joe Smith was a monster. He was a man among boys when he was on the court in college. And he saved Maryland basketball. While Juan Dixon lead Maryland to the promise land, Smith lead Maryland out of the darkness that paved the way for the Terps to accomplish what they did in later years. It's scary to think about what Maryland basketball would have been like without Joe Smith.
Joseph Leynard Smithstepped foot on Maryland’s campus in 1993 and immediately made a name for himself. In his first game on November 26, 1993, Maryland found themselves matched up against the Georgetown Hoyas. Maryland was coming off of NCAA sanctions that had crippled the program the previous two years and Maryland fans were looking for something to get behind and believe in. Their prayers were answered when Smith, who finished with 26 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist and 3 steals, and helped propel Maryland to an 84-83 overtime victory over #15 Georgetown. After enduring the tragedy of Len Biasand the sanctions against the program that soon followed, Maryland fans could once again feel excitement about their team and Smith was the engine driving that Maryland optimism.
Smith and Maryland capped off that season with a trip to the NCAA tournament where they upset #2 seed and 8th ranked UMass in the 2nd round. Maryland then lost their Sweet 16 match up to Michigan, but Maryland had still made a statement – the Terps were back from the brink of death. Smith finished his freshman year as a first-team All-ACC selection, averaging 19.4 ppg and 10.7 rebounds/game.
In Smith’s sophomore year, Maryland again advanced to the sweet 16 and also finished 12-4 in the ACC. Smith had yet another dominant season, this time finishing with 20.8 ppg and 10.6 rpg. He was named the ACC Player of the Year and also received the Naismith National Player of the Year Award, the only Terp to receive that honor. He was also a first team All-American selection his sophomore year. Finally, Smith had what I believe is one of the single best performance in Maryland basketball history when he dropped 40 points and grabbed 18 boards at Cameron Indoor against Duke, including hitting the game winning shot. All of this resulted in Smith leaving Maryland after his sophomore year for the NBA draft, where he was selected #1 overall. Had Smith returned to Maryland for his junior year, you can’t help but wonder what would have been and what the Terps could have accomplished.
Maryland wins at Duke, 1995 (via JafarWilliams)
So there you have it. The #1 vs. the #2. Who will prevail? You decide.
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Gotta go with my fellow CHC Cardinal
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Sep 16, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
man that picture gave me goosebumps
i have that copy been in my room for almost 10 years now haha
this should be a walk in the park for Smith, but Juan will win easily.
Make sure you look at each players trophy case. NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR… should carry so much more weight than the Natty. Juan was on a better TEAM and this is a better PLAYER competition. If you think Juan is better because of the Natty than you also have to think that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.
I don't think that's a fair comparison
It’s not like Juan was an average player who happened to win a National Title. He happened to be a great player who willed the team to a national title. I went to Maryland the year after Joe Smith left and those teams were no slouches either. Had Joe stayed, they probably had a final four or potentially a championship in them, but we’ll never know. We do know that Juan delivered. That makes him the Top Terp in my book.
I think juan is easily 2nd fwiw
The national player of the year award is what seals it for me.
Don't forget
that Juan was runner up for POY (he was robbed considering who won) and was the ACC POY (how do you beat JW for ACC POY and then lose the National POY to JW?). I was there for Joe and I vote for Juan. Like JWKTerp said, the team Joe left behind were no slouches and would have gone to a Final 4 had Joe stayed…just like Juan’s team would probably have missed the Final 4 without him. Juan delivered and in the end he deserves this win but the voting should be closer than it will turn out to be…
by FearTheTurgeon on Sep 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you only get one vote
And most people will lean towards Juan. It doesn’t mean that people think that much more highly of Juan, but rather that most people do prefer him over Smith.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And that comparison
of Trent Dilfer/Dan Marino and Juan/Joe is laughable…you can’t be serious can you??? Maybe had you said Raplisberger/Marino could that argument work.
by FearTheTurgeon on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You also ignore the shortened career of Smith, that Juan really deserved the NPOTY award his senior year (you’re basing your subjective view on the subjective view of the college basketball world, too? nice!)… This is “top Terp,” not “better player” as you so claim.
Doesn’t really seem like you have the same view of the competition here as others do. To call it a walk in the park is simply wrong.
worst comparison ever
Trent Dilfer? you’ve gotta be joking
by tmoneyttime1 on Sep 16, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the man was a 1st team all american
and ACC POY in his own right
by tmoneyttime1 on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
missed the point...
I wasn’t comparing Juan to Dilfer. I was comparing the argument that using a natty to claim a player is better is not a valid argument.
The Natty doesn't make him the better Terp
But he was the MOP in the NCAA Tourney on the National Championship team. Comparing him to Dilfer is unfair. Dilfer was merely a role player on that SB team. Juan was the guy on his. Winning is definitely important, and Juan took us to 2 final fours and a Natty while also being an All American and ACC POY (should have won the Naismtih too). He was first team all ACC 3 times. He has the accolades to back up his greatness and wasn’t just along for the ride. Besides, I think all fans would agree that a National Championship means more to the program than the National Player of the Year. Juan gave us that, and therefore I think he made a bigger impact than Smith.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So by you argument,
does it mean that all players on NC team had a bigger impact than Joe? I think this can be debated til the end of days. Each had their impact on the program, as so many others did. I think if we take any player off the Natty team, they don’t win it. Every single player from 1 to 13 played their part to perfection which led to the title. Go back in your life and change one part and see if you end up exactly where you are today. The Natty was a sum of all it’s parts not just Juan. He would be the first to tell you that.
by Senor Huevos on Sep 16, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true,
But Juan was the catalyst. He was the team’s best player. He had the biggest impact out of anyone on the team. It’s not just the fact that he won the Natty. It’s the fact that he was the best player in the country (should have won Naismith) and won the Natty. Also, he gave the Terps 3 All ACC years. He was more than just the best player on the National Championship team. He was a great player for 3 years and his play had us constantly in the picture come tourney time. Just because he needed his teammates doesn’t mean that the Natty can be ignored, IMO.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The GREATEST
Terp of all time was not NPOY. I don’t think just because Joe won POY that he was better than Len. That being said, I voted for Joe. Juan was great, but still he was one part of a team that won it all, he did not play 1 on 5. Love Juan, I use his story about overcoming struggles in his life, when I mentor young kids. I am not sure how you can compare each one’s effect on the program, so I looked at it purely as a player and I think Joe was better. Just my opinion.
by Senor Huevos on Sep 16, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you just compare Dixon to Dilfer? Wow…
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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
those jerseys in that SI
are best basketball jerseys we ever had
+1.
I definitely prefer those to what we wear now. The gold rush is nice, but give me those awesome whites at home.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was "The Better Terp?"
“That is the Poll question…”
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
This is just like the confusion with the MLB MVP award
What does that mean “Better Terp”. Better individual player, better for the program? Both?
Here we go again!
Not even gonna waste my time. Youngins rule the roost. 20 years from now they will be over ruled themselves.
Fear the Turgle!
Disagree
I can see that argument for Vasquez and Smith but not Smith vs. Dixon. Dixon left Maryland almost 10 years ago. I think it has nothing to do with age in this regard. It has to do with Dixon winning a Natty and Smith not. It has to do with Smith being here two years to Dixon’s four. It has to do with Smith averaging a double double while he was hear and winning the Naismith Award.
The question is Smith’s pure talent verses Dixon’s lesser talent but 4 year career and Natty.
Umm
Juan was last here in 2002, and Smith in 1995. It’s not nearly the gap that it was with GV. A bunch of people saw GV play but not Smith. I think most people here either saw both Smith and Juan play, or saw neither of them play.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing I had straight chalk
in my Top Terp bracket.
by ammizny on Sep 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
never understood how won didnt win POY
yes you could say Joe smith didnt play for as good of a team. how does that make him a better terp? im sure there will be a lot of, if it wasnt for Joe Smith Juan would never happen, how would anyone know that.
I'll never forget
going to watch the Terps play at UVA during Joe Smith’s sophomore season when his team tied with 3 others for the ACC regular season championship. Before the game, Smith and I think Rhodes were sitting on the bench taking one-handed under-handed shots towards the basket and Smith repeately made them. He later went on to drop 40 on the Wahoo’s but nobody else showed up for MD and UVA won by 25.
That was the problem with that team after Joe
Lots of talent, but no one stepped up as the leader. They should have been much better than they were.
Juan
No brainer. It isn’t that he just won a natty, but he was the best player on that team. The offense pretty much ran through him. And that stroke was a thing of beauty.
*All Terp Everything*
No debate
There is one purpose every year and that is to win it all. Dixon took us there. Best player of all time IMO.
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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Smith vs Vasquez...
This is the way I look at it… if Vasquez had beat Smith to go up against Dixon he may not have even received a single vote, however, while I believe Smith will still get beat easily by Dixon at least he will get a higher % of votes matched up against Dixon. That alone tells me we go this right and that Smith belonged in the final over Vasquez.. That doesn’t mean I don’t like Vasquez and all he did for us, I just think that this fact alone earns Smith the spot against Dixon.
I voted for GV
And I admit my vote was entirely personal. I attended Maryland the same four years as GV. I watched him improve every year and always gave 100% carrying the team.
I’m not old enough to have seen Joe Smith in college, but if I had an easier comparison (like someone who has seen them both) I may have voted for Joe.
i voted for
Juan smith to beat Joe Dixon :) . No matter the winner both were great and represented the uniform with class. Seriously voted for Joe, but can see why others vote for Juan.
by valleyterp on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can
totally see why you would have voted for GV based on your age etc. I don’t blame you. Glad to see someone admit as much! Some defend and won’t admit that their vote is really based on what they are more familiar with.
As someone who saw both it was not too hard of a choice in picking Smith over GV. We will never know, but my assumption is that the Dixon vs. GV vote would have been something like 99.5% to .5% but I im sure Dixon only garners maybe 85%-88% against Smith. This just tells me we got the finals right.
The funny thing is
the Juan vs Walt Williams matchup might actually turn out to be a closer one than this one.
I agree
I graduated in ’86. While I think Joe Smith was a great player and critical to the rebuilding of the program, I still view Walt as the Savior of Maryland Basketball (as a player). Walt vs. Juan would have been a much harder choice for me.
Sir Juan Dixon
Its a not a no-brainer but Dixon is Mr. Terrapin under the Gary Era. You knew in his Jr and Sr. years we had a chance to win EVERY game. When was the last time you felt that way as a fan. Joe Smith was great and had he stayed 4 years may have topped Juan but he didnt and Juan did and he won a Natty. Just think of this All Gary Line-up
PG-Vasquez
SG-Dixon
SF-Wizard
PF-Joe Smith
C-Lonny B
I might throw Blake in there
over Vaz. Just because with this lineup you don’t need scoring from PG, just distributing.
"all-x" lineups aren't built for functionality
Just accolades according to position. I think vaz deserves that spot over blake.
Agreed
Can’t have Vaz hogging shots with that line-up.
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by John Stephens on Sep 16, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
no way blake over the general
yeah greivis shot alot but he was also an amazing passer. look at the pass to j will for the dunk over scheyer any other highlight reel or the fact that he won the bob cousy award. also he excelled at fast paced breakaways which open up great plays. i have all the love and respect for blake, hes also one of my favorites but i think greivis get PG position here.
Lets gooo Maryland
Give me Blake over GV.
Vasquez was an odd type of point guard. He was the primary scorer. On a team with a bunch of offensive weapons like the four other guys, give me the prototypical passer who can run the offense.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan
All time career scoring leader AND best player on a national championship team AND (should have been) National POY.
Juan is our Rip Hamilton, Mateen Cleaves, Shane Battier
Juan was a leader for that team
So was GV for his team as well. For me at least, that was important enough to vote for them over players like Smith and Francis who had tremendous talent but maybe didn’t necessarily bring quite as much to the program as a whole.
The championship tips the scale to Juan
If each had won a championship, I would have voted for Joe. As it is, Juan gets Top Terp.
Joe's Mom was signing autographes at Midnight Maryland Madness
nuff said……
Shirt given out that year “Maryland Sweet Sixteen….We Believe in Miracles”
This is an easy one.
I was one of the votes for Joe over GV but this is easily Juan. Here is really the deciding factor, the dude had all the heart and statistics of GV but more clutch and actually finished the deal, was up for NPOTY went to 4 tournments, 2 final fours, and won the national championship and MOP of the tournament. There is absolutely ZERO arugment here, this isn’t smith versus vasquez. Juan will win big.
Get Off That Pipe
Joe Smith was drafted #1 overall by the Warriors at age 20. National player of the year on a mediocre team. JS was one of the best players to ever play college ball ……. Juan Dixon was one of the best players to ever play for UMD. Vote with your brain and not your heart. Juan was at the right place at the right time with a very well balanced team. HELLO !!!!
Oh come on!
Right place, right time? Juan was the guy on that team. He had good teammates, but he carried that team. Give him a little more credit. 3X All ACC, most points and steals all-time, All-American, etc. He wasn’t just the guy on the National Championship team.
by KingFelix341 on Sep 16, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay... Okay !!!
You got me, I will give in. He was the BEST PLAYER on the TEAM, a very talented team. BUT Joe Smith was the BEST PLAYER in COLLEGE. What do you think he would have accomplshed if he played two more years? ……EXACTLY!!!!
Juan had a great outside game, Joe controlled the game. He was the whole, not just part of it. If you don’t get it, it’s cool, It’s just a poll.
by TwerpsNoMore on Sep 17, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough Call
I remember watching Joe’s last game at Cole and all the chants of “Don’t go Joe.” He was my idol. But all the pride that Juan (and Co.) brought to CP with that national championship trumps Joe’s individual brilliance. Juan was a winner, period. I still love Joe, but my vote goes to Dixon.
by ChucktownTerpFan on Sep 16, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
Can't blame Joe for leaving. #1 NBA draft pick shows how great he was
I know Juan will win in a landslide, so my vote goes to Joe. But Juan was the most improved Terp ever.
I'll always have great memories of Juan and that 2002 team...
However my vote goes to Joe. Juan just did what Joe would have done had he stayed. The way he elevated the 93-94 and 94-95 teams at such a young age was impressive. I think people forget how dominant he was, how he consistently outplayed Tim Duncan and Rasheed Wallace, how he made Maryland a relevant program again. I guess since I watched Joe in my mid 20’s (a terp fan since 1977), it may be more of a nostalgic choice, however it meant a lot seeing him lead the program back to prominence, no slight to Juan and 01-02 champions, but if Joe had stayed for 95-96, Exree Hipp might have stayed slim instead of bulking up and ruining his game and Maryland no doubt would have won the ACC that year and would at worst have been a final four team.
I picked Juan...
Of course Joe was the better player, but this is where all the arguments that were tried for Vasquez actually do apply.
I will say giving all the mitigating factors, this is a close one. But I put the blinders on for Juan Dixon and the national championship he carried us to.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 16, 2011 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
Say it ain't so!!!
YOU! Of all people, giving in to the opinion of the masses? Shame on you Chucky.Someone must have tied you up and commandeered your lap top. You were the one constant on this site. You sold out Chump. Where the hell is FireGary when I need him? …………………. Oh FG! Can you come out and play?
by TwerpsNoMore on Sep 17, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The blinders are on...
because of the National Championship.
But as I said before, if Joe stays one more year, there is no Terp to touch him.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 17, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Love Joe. We should have got our National Championship in Joe’s Junior year.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 17, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe if he played more than two years
You have to remember, Joe was drafter #1 based on projected growth as a player. Not saying he wasn’t an absolute stud, because he was. Just saying he went #1 because of his potential.
Juan’s four years were better than Joe’s two. The fact that it’s even close is a testament to how good Joe was for those two years.
He wasn't drafted because of potential...
he was drafted because he DOMINATED.
Tim Duncan was drafted on potential.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
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* If you think Greivis Vasquez is a better Terp than Joe Smith, you have impeached yourself and have no credibility when speaking of Maryland basketball.
by CharlesDriesell on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Small Side Story on Juan...
Back in (i believe) 1996, Maryland was recruiting a player from my little ass high school on the eastern shore. His name was Albert Mouring. Hes the only D1 player, that i know of, to even come from my HS. He was a great shooter, great. His grades on the other hand were horrible.. and Maryland stopped recruiting him. He went on to play for Uconn. Was little used as a freshman on the RIP Hamilton National Championship team. He went on to have a very solid career and now plays overseas. He led the NCAA in 3pt % his senior year.. i believe. Anyway.. when Maryland stopped recruiting him they moved on to Juan Dixon. Funny how things work out sometimes. :)
I love me some Joe Smith
but I had to go with Juan. Their individual stats and accomplishments are comparably great, so I had to go with what their teams did. Isaac Newton said that if had seen further than others, it was because he stood on the shoulders of giants. To me, Joe Smith is the giant on whose shoulders Juan Dixon stood, but at the end of the day, Juan did go further. Let’s be real, though. There is no wrong answer here. We’re blessed they were both Terps!
We are all applying different criteria for the last couple of matchups.
Joe was clearly a better player, but nobody did more for MD basketball than Juan. Juan makes people feel a certain way about MD that Joe cannot match.
I have another poll idea. Pick the 5 best players you would want on your team from the GW era. Mine might be Walt, Joe, Blake, Francis and Wilcox.
Now, name the 5 players that meant the most to you. Mine are Juan, GV, Walt, Rhodes, and Joe.
Great idea for a separate FANPOST
Testudo1, do your thing and post it. Don’t be askeered. It will be fun to match up players from both eras. Two teams, Lefty’s and Gary’s, 5 on 5………… It’s your idea, run with it!
How about the 5 best players from Lefty's teams
Take on the 5 best from Gary’s years. The younger fans may have to do some reading, but it would be fun.



















