Jordan Williams is Going Pro. Now What Happens to Maryland's Frontcourt?
You've probably heard the day's bad news already: Maryland's star post player Jordan Williams is heading into the NBA Draft, and this time there's no going back.
It's not a surprise, but it does hurt. With Williams coming back to join sophomore guard Terrell Stoglin and a solid core, Maryland likely would've been an NCAA Tournament team next year. Instead, they'll be looking like a bubble team...at best.
The biggest reason for that has to do with Maryland's frontcourt, which now has no depth and no star. Don't believe me? Then let's look at some of the current members of the front court.
James Padgett (6-8, 215; 8.7 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg): Padgett is the leading contender to start next season, as well as Maryland's most experience, proven post player. Look at that stat line, then read that sentence again. Yeah, that's where we're at right now.
Padgett has shown flashes that make you think he's on the verge of breaking out. He has some great post moves. He runs the floor well. He's not afraid to work. He also happens to be lacking in the strength department, possesses hands of stone, and has never put together a solid, complete ten minutes or so of basketball in one night.
Padge is a question mark, in truth, but at least he's a question mark who's been in the program for two seasons. That's more than we can say for...
Berend Weijs (6-10, 200; 5.2 mpg, 1.8 ppg, 1.1 rpg): Weijs is a JuCo transfer who entered Maryland's program last year as a huge mystery. The Dutchman has become a bit of a fan favorite thanks to his trademark beard and lanky, unique look, but his play has been middling. He sat out much of the ACC season on the bench, and when he got in the game it was rarely for more than a minute or two.
Weijs' height and shot-blocking ability are obvious, and the best Maryland has to offer at the moment. But he's a string bean, which hurts him on the block. He doesn't have much in the way of post moves, either, and his offensive game is pretty much limited to dunking. To top it all off, he has little to no experience at this level.
Ashton Pankey (6-9, 220; DNP): Pankey came in last season as a freshman recovering from a foot injury that ended his senior year of high school ball. He played three minutes in Maryland's first game before it was apparent that his foot still wasn't healthy enough to play. He received a medical redshirt for last season and still has four more years of eligibility.
Unfortunately, that means he essentially hasn't played steady competitive basketball in two years. Pankey is what many hoped James Padgett would be - a hard-nosed trashman who rebounds very well - but it's probably unwise to expect anything past that. Heck, it's just a risk thinking he'll be able to play; a similar nagging injury ended Jerome Burney's playing career a few seasons back.
Martin Breunig (6-9, 205): Well, kinda. Based on reports and video, Breunig is most at home on the wing. His coach says he's a natural big man who has used this year to work on his perimeter game. Either way, Breunig has great size for the four. If he can play there, even as a face-up four, things get a lot easier for Maryland, as they can plug in some size at the 4 in addition to the 5.
But Breunig is a freshman who's only played in the states for a year. Who knows exactly how much he can contribute right away? In an ideal world, he'd be one of the first players off the bench. But there's just as good of a chance that he struggles with the transition. We'll have to wait and see on this one.
Yeah, that's all four of 'em. And yes, Maryland definitely needs more help (and bodies) in the post.
There's a good chance that Gary Williams will treat this situation similarly to how he treated it back in 2008 with Dave Neal: go four guards and hope for the best. Neal was a 6-5 center with T-Rex arms and no vertical, and he was surrounded by four guards. It was a horrible situation as far as post play is concerned, probably just as bad as this year appears, but Greivis Vasquez (along with Eric Hayes and Landon Milbourne) willed that team into the NCAA Tournament.
Unfortunately, this year's team doesn't have Vaz. Regardless, we'll probably be seeing a lot of Villanova-in-the-early-mid-2000s four-guard sets. Height will be a problem, especially against teams with great size like Duke and UNC. Maryland will have to make those games (and most others) about pace and perimeter player, pressing often and trying to push the tempo. Even then, I expect Terrell Stoglin will have to make quite the leap to keep Maryland competitive in the tourney chase.
That said, there are still options for Maryland to better themselves in the post. Williams' departure opens up another scholarship, giving them two unfilled schollies for the upcoming year. It's probably too late to use both, but don't be surprised to see Gary Williams give it a shot. He certainly has options.
The most obvious one is Wally Judge, the former McDonald's All-American from PG County who went to Kansas State and is looking to transfer. Zags has him down to Maryland and Rutgers, which will be an interesting battle (Rutgers has a former DCA coach on their staff). Unfortunately, it's unlikely that he'll be able to provide any immediate help, as he'll have to sit out a year before being able to play.
There have been rumors flying around that he might apply for a waiver so he can play immediately (a dream scenario), but the NCAA is notoriously stingy with those. They're generally only given in cases of family emergencies; even if he has one, I don't think they'll look upon the recruitment process (and the consideration of Rutgers and Washington) too kindly.
The other two well-known options are Robert Goff and Marek Soucek. Goff may or may not be a legitimate target; the news of Maryland's pursuit of him popped up last week, but the trail has gone quiet since. With concerns over his eligibility, I would be slightly surprised to see this actually happen.
Soucek is more interesting. There's not a ton of information floating around on him, but we know a little. For example, he's Czech. He's 21 (but would, presumably, be a freshman). He's 7'0". He has a traditional Euro-style face-up game and can hit three-pointers. And, according to his training academy, "is possible that next year he will play against Duke University if finally Maryland sign him."
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US-ness aside, that last statement (horribly translated though it may be) seems to indicate that, uh, he and Maryland have some level of mutual interest. This isn't the first time Soucek has been listed as having interest in Maryland, either. Even though he wouldn't fix the problems in the post, he'd at least give Maryland some much-needed height. (I'm still a little concerned about his eligibility, between his age and the traditional problems Euros have).
Past that, Maryland's team pretty much is what it is at this point. Sure, maybe there will be a late, random JuCo addition (Karron Johnson? I don't care if he's crazy). But it's doubtful whoever that is (except Johnson) will make much of a bigger impact than Weijs did last year (read: almost none).
So, best case scenario, Maryland's frontcourt next year is comprised of the four guys mentioned above, plus Judge (who, despite all his talent, averaged 5 ppg at K-State) and Soucek (who is even a bigger question mark than Pankey). And I'd be shocked if things turned out even that nicely.
At least blogging it will be fun.
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Is it possible
that padgett isn’t even as good as his numbers (7 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg) suggest? We are so screwed in the front court
Is it possible
that he’s better than his number suggest? Or will be better?
Anything is possible.
Padgett is better than his numbers
But does it matter? I have seen so much good from him, only to be masked over by anger when he pulls one of his butterfinger moments and loses the ball.
by kryptonianjorel on May 4, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with kryp
He has definitely shown flashes of brilliance, it just gets marred by some botched rebound or layup right afterward.
I dont think he is 100% comfortable yet
He barely has had any in game experience. Not to mention, Gary rides him hard, really hard. Tough love, I’m sure, but I think it is doing something to his confidence. Jordan could mess up an easy layup, and hear nothing from Gary, but if Padge gets double teamed down low and gets the ball stripped, Gary yells at him and takes him out.
I’m not saying he is great, but maybe he is better than we know and just needs a little confidence and people to believe in him
by kryptonianjorel on May 5, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Development
Just one of these guys “steps up” and we are looking at an entirely different scenario. Put me down for Padget and Pankey both stepping up. The team looks great everywhere else.
Yea
I mean, if you had told me Jordan Williams was going to average a double double and be a first round draft pick I would have told you you were an idiot..so I suppose anything is possible? Mychal Parker comes out dunking on everyone and is a top 10 draft pick next year? we’ll see.
The early-2000s Villanova teams were pretty damn good teams. Now, I know our guards aren’t as talented as the guards on those teams, but they are still pretty talented. Things are bad (obviously) front court wise but, for some reason, I’m remaining optimistic. At the very least, it will be a very interesting season.
Wow
that frontcourt on paper looks even worse than I thought it would…I would be ecstatic if we even get to .500 in the ACC. On a positive side, at least some of these younger guys will get major minutes and we can really evaluate our talent for our run the following year when we should get major help in the frontcourt.
Need I redirect you to the Dave neal era?
It worked then, and it could work now
by kryptonianjorel on May 4, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
uhhh
we had GV, Landon, and E Hayes then…also Dave Neal is probably 20x better than any of our options at the moment…just being realistic man
And we got
Stogs, Faust, Gibbs, and Hawk now, which have the potential to be better than GV/EH/LM
I’m not saying that this is a good situation to be in, but we’ve done it before, and I think Gary is prepared for this
by kryptonianjorel on May 4, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep the faith
Padge will improve with more opportunities, and Pankey told me Saturday at MD Day that he is 100% and good to go healthwise. He played major HS ball and has been around the program for a year to learn system. Berend runs the floor and plays D and will surprise you with some points. Throw in Martin and even Hawk and they will be OK. Outside of Dook and UNC, I don’t see any other ACC team as very dominating. Get guards to press and score and we’ll surprise some people. In Gary I Trust…….
Hawk
Hawk played the 4 a bit this year, and did a decent job. He’s not a redwood, but at 6’6", it could be much worse.
This will take years to recover from and reminds me of cw… Juco players will never work you need thorough breeds to run wth duke and unc
by valenciais1 on May 4, 2011 6:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Osby didn't work?
Pretty sure he had a significant impact beating unc
by marylandfan23 on May 4, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We thought last year was going to be an experiment...
… With four freshmen earning significant minutes and our best player as a sophomore.
This year will be even more so. With a gaping weakness in the post positions, we’re going to find ourselves leaning almost completely on Stoglin for scoring and hope that someone (really, two) out of Faust/Howard/Parker/Gibbs can emerge as another credible scorer.
That is a really ugly proposition for next year’s team. We’ll have the best young talent at the guard position we’ve had in years — I legitimately think Stoglin and Gibbs and Faust will be legitimate stars by the time they are upperclassmen — but down low, we will have no post presence at all. That will not get us past any of the good teams in the ACC, let alone anywhere else.
Let’s hope we can keep all our players happy. Seems like Jordan didn’t really think there was much to play for at UMD… Let’s hope that perception changes.
I agree that Stoglin and Faust will probably be stars
Anderson has a good chance, too. That’s why it’s so important to land at least Cleare, and maybe McGary to hedge our bets. We need some post presence by the time they mature. Stogs will be a four-year player for sure thanks to his height, so that means Cleare/McGary would be a sophomore.
Dont count out Gibbs
Basketball is in his blood, and if he is anything like his brother, we’re in for a treat. Also, didn’t he beat his brother’s HS scoring record?
by kryptonianjorel on May 4, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never been on the "Gibbs is a star" boat
I think he might become a damn good player, probably around the type of impact D.J. Strawberry had on the program. But I’m not sure his game translates well enough to become a star. People say that he’s a carbon copy of Ashton, but Ash is one of the best shooters in the nation and people seem ambivalent at best about Sterling’s shot.
Sometimes productivity at one level doesn’t translate to productivity at the next level. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is forced to change his game when he’s met by stronger, faster players, becoming a distribution-first PG.
no one thought JWill was gonna be a two year player coming out of HS.
who knows, Breunig might be a beast. Faust might be the next Juan. Gibbs might be the next great PG.
Obviously, it’s wishful thinking, but I’d rather let the team play before I decide to get upset. There;s plenty of time during the season for that.
True
But Jordan was a top 100, universal four star guy. (Maybe not on ESPN, but that was pre-Telep back when they were a joke). Except for Faust, that isn’t exactly apples for apples.
Better than expected
I cannot wait to see the Terps prove that they are better than expected. Mark my words! Can’t wait!
Trial by fire baby
It’s not going to be pretty, but it will be an effective learning experience.
Does Dave Neal have a little brother?
by TerpMasterX on May 4, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It will be interesting
I think Gary will get creative. If you extend these guys’ averages out to 25-35 mins you are talking some decent contributions. I think we can be a decent team. For one thing, Padgett was much quicker than JWill. There were times when Gary put in two bigs during the 2002 run and it worked very well. I could see Padgett and Breunig on the inside with a rotation of 6 effective guards – Stoglin, Howard, Mosely, Faust, Gibbs, and Paulson. That could really wear teams down. Fast-paced with two mobile bigs Rotate the guards and Berend inside and we could wear teams down. I think it’s enough to make the tourney.
Thats what we're going to have to do
Play small and run and press teams to death. We won’t match up well with a lot of teams with bigger post players, but we’ll create match-up problems when we’re on offense as well.
Sorry
But we are going to suck. Suckity, suck, suck, suck. Our FrontCourt is the freakin JV. Like I said in another post, the problem with the imbalance is how pissed whatever guards aren’t playing are going to be. This is like when the Ravens offense sucked, and the defense knew they were carrying the team. The problem is the resentment this will cause on the team.
First of all, there is almost nothing construction in saying
we are going to suck. Suckity, suck, suck, suckIt’s a) not very interesting or original and b) not backed by any quality analysis. Secondly, of all the issues this team is going to have, resentment is not one. Most college basketball players, especially bench players, don’t have resentment issues. They’re not the Ravens. The players who do usually have attitude issues are generally superstars who play for the Kentuckys and Kansas’ of the world, not for Gary at Maryland. If resentment becomes an issue, than this team is in a lot more trouble than any of us are expecting.
by FearTheTurtIe on May 4, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Judge
How can judge even play next year? dont transfers have to sit out a season? and @terpsmasterx dave neal does have a little brother his name is justin we went to my high school haha but hes not as good
He can appeal for a hardship waiver
Something that happened at KSU or that he needs to be close to his family in MD could allow him to play next year.
It’s unlikely but not completely out of the question.
maybe the ncaa will feel our plight...
next year will be one with the lowest expectations ever…if Gary pulls off a miracle season I bet even firegary will become a believer that is if he’s not one of Debbie Yow’s crownies quoting the Feinstein book just like Debbie Yow firegary,,,firegary what do you think of Debbie Yow’s perspectives on Gary? Just curious because you sound like one of her crownies.
I think that would have a much better chance of working if he picked MD right away
Instead of quitting the team mid-season and then considering a bunch of other teams, including Washington. The NCAA isn’t stupid. They’ll see that.
Pankey gonna shock the world!!!
Forget JW, if anybody has the right to “prove the haters wrong”, it’s THIS guy.
there is some
seriously stupid optimism floating around here…
No, there is some seriously whining-ass fans around here.
Stop acting like crybaby bitches for once, and man up. I feel like going Godfather on ya’ll and yell “You Should Be A Man!!!” The sky is not falling, and you’re negativity is wasted energy, based on the momentum we are gaining everyday in recruiting. If you want to have a pity party, then that’s on you. I will enjoy my Terps, and not shit on my program. Take your insecurities to a shrink, this ain’t the time or the place.
by 1 proud terp on May 5, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Sometimes you have to take a dry season for the roots to grow stronger. Things are looking up moving past this upcoming season. If the guys work hard, this season may be a little better than we expect, which is not too much at this point. I’d rather us exceed expectations this season and have the players meet some realistic goals that they set.
"firegary, go sit under the basket at one of Montrose's games next year so...
JA can flush one right down your throat you little trouble making hatin’ weasel…"
by bball purist on May 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats funny
I thought this was a terps FAN blog, not a haters blog. You’re welcome to your opinion, but don’t crap on people who can see positives in situations
by kryptonianjorel on May 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats going on with Judge?
If somehow we can get a commit and have him for next year that would be so massive
Who is feeding the Red Berend?
Put 20 Lbs on this guy and he can be a serviceable inside presence.
Padgett will improve w/o having the anxiety factor…Kid was afraid because he knew minutes were limited, and thus contributed to the butter fingers and the black hole phenomenon that led him to try to show an effective post move anytime he touched the ball in the paint and thus earn himself more minutes- regardless of time and score. He’ll benefit the most from looking over at the bench and seeing no one else thats going to take his minutes….that is, unless
Pankey proves to be a player better than his HS ranking, whcih would be a big +
people need to friend him Facebook and add him on twitter instead of Jwill
and bombard him with messages encouraging him to add some muscle. MD basically just needs him to rebound and block.
by word2bigbird on May 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
im thinkin that defensive ranking we had at the beginning of last year shows up again
I know we are going to be relatively small, but i still think the combination of berend padge pankey could be strong defensively. berend is known for his shot blocking ability. pankey for his defense and rebounding. if we can just defend the perimeter well be good. when we get JA our defense might really show up in the rankings…. im talkin top 5
except for a few isolated plays padgett hasn’t showed a thing to make you believe he can be a good college player. the jc kid is 60 lbs underweight besides having virtually zero experience in d1 play, pankey may never play…see jerome burney….the the freshman is a freshman who has less than a yr of high school ball in the u.s. looks like moseley will be playing down low quite a bit this upcoming yr.
I've seen Gary do more with less ...
Neal’s senior season comes to mind.
A few thoughts on Jordan’s decision: I know it’s sort of become the cool thing to do to say, “Well, it’s too bad for Maryland, but good luck to Jordan. The kid has to look out for himself and make a living.” I don’t agree with that. I think it’s an incredibly selfish decision by Jordan, and just because it’s his right to do it doesn’t make it the right thing to do.
The Maryland program plucked him from Nowhere, Connecticut, gave him a chance to show his abilities, and made him a better player. He is basically abandoning the program (and fans) just so he can make a few bucks. Sorry, but when did that become commendable or even forgivable? This isn’t a Kyrie Irving situation, where the kid could have gone right to the NBA from high school. In that case, the program knows the deal and isn’t expecting anything more than a year from the player.
I know this opinion is frowned upon by some, but I won’t be pulling for Jordan in the NBA. He’s only looking out for himself, so why should I care how he does? I’m not rooting for him to fail. I’m just going to show him the same thing he has shown the Maryland program and its fans: indifference.
by Tertelman on May 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't know why you are taking it so personally
And I certainly don’t understand why some “fans” feel like the players owe us anything. it’s every basketball players dream to end up in the NBA, and he has a chance to realize it with guaranteed money. I don’t know who the hell u r to call him selfish for that.
He is basically abandoning the program (and fans) just so he can make a few bucks. Sorry, but when did that become commendable or even forgivable?
you seriously do sound like that student who wrote that letter to Elton Brand when he was leaving Duke. let the kid achieve his dreams.
it’s every basketball players dream to end up in the NBA, and he has a chance to realize it with guaranteed money. I don’t know who the hell u r to call him selfish for that.
You actually just described what the word “selfish” means. Looking out for one’s self.
All I’m saying is that of course it’s fine for him to leave, but it’s also fine for fans to not like the guy because of it. But feel free to keep repeating, “Thank you sir, may I have another?” if you want to be blindly loyal to a guy you’ve probably never met.
Loyal to Jordan?
I don’t really have any emotions invested in this kid like I do with Greivis. Hell, I don’t even want my team (the Nets) to use a first rounder on him.
My issue with your post was that you made it seem like he should have returned to look out for the program and the fans’ interest, and that it was unforgivable that he entered early. I also didn’t really understand how a highly touted player coming out of HS can leave early, but an under the radar guy coming out of HS shouldn’t leave early. So in your opinion, Derrick Williams shouldn’t leave early either?
Just ask Terrence Morris how it worked out for him.
Fair points
I guess I’m just saying that – although I’m a huge Terps fan – I don’t really like Jordan Williams very much.
He never struck me as a team-oriented player when he played in CP, and he definitely hasn’t shown that he gives a sh!t about the school since playing his last game here. I mean, the guy quit going to classes as soon as the season ended. He posts “me against the world” type stuff on Twitter. He doesn’t have 1% of the likability that Greivis had and not .0001% the likability that Juan had.
And yes, I do think it’s a bit selfish for a kid to turn his back on the coach who recruited him, the teammates who play with him, the fans who cheer for him, and the University that educated him. And all to get a one-year head start on the NBA.
Is it his right to do so? Of course. But I certainly reserve the right to give him the finger on the way out (not in person, of course, because he would break me in half).
Terence Morris is very bad analogy/example
Tired of seeing Terence as an example/justification for leaving early. Yes, his draft stock went down after his sophomore year when he could have left. However, the key difference, and why the above analogy is so poor, is that Terence was considered a possible lottery/Top10 pick, whereas Jordan is considered a borderline 1st rd pick in a weak draft. Jordans “stock” isnt going to drop out of the lottery…its never been there.
I feel u on Tm but he was projected to be a top 10 pick not late first round early second
by valenciais1 on May 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeap i know morris's stock was a lot higher
all I was trying to say was you don’t leave guaranteed money on the table, cuz u never know what happens.
I've been a fan of Jordan
but I can see where you’re coming from. He didn’t attend the basketball banquet, kept everyone in the dark about coming back, didn’t even notify Gary about hiring an agent. The impression is that he left Maryland totally behind him when he headed out to Vegas.
Of course he is free to achieve his dreams. And fans should be free to tell him not to let the door hit his ass on the way out.
Goff to Marshall
Does this mean the staff told him no because were getting Judge? Or was Marshall the only place he could get into?
Recruits Leaving Now?
I hope by GW becoming assistant AD, Gary will be able to keep his recruits irregardless of who is hired. He has a hard enough time keeping recruits. Why not hire Bobby Knight or Digger Phelps??. They’re probably tired of the announcing circuit by now. They’d get this team in shape and probably do pretty well recruiting, don’t you think?

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