Maryland Meeting with Dalonte Hill: Who He Is and Why He Matters
Word of Mark Turgeon's interest in hiring K-State super-assistant Dalonte Hill first leaked out sometime yesterday. Things have heated up from yesterday's "preliminary" warning, as the word is now that the two met earlier today. What's more, if Chick Hernandez can be believed, it was on Maryland's campus.
Kansas State associate head coach Dalonte Hill met with Maryland coach Mark Turgeon today. Would take a pay hit, but chance to go back home.
Sources tell me Dalonte Hill on MD campus with head coach Mark Turgeon, final assistant coach interview.
The meeting being in College Park says at least something about the mutual interest the two must have. It's encouraging for a deal to get done.
If you don't know who Hill is, he's basically the guy who made Kansas St. relevant.
A native of Washington D.C., he played at both UNC-Charlotte and Bowie St. After graduating, he became the head coach of D.C. Assault, the infamous local AAU squad that produced stars like Michael Beasley, Wally Judge, Josh Hairston, and Quinn Cook.
After two years at the helm of DCA, he was an assistant at Charlotte. After three seasons down there, he was hired by Bob Huggins at K-State. He brought with him Michael Beasley, who obviously transformed the program. There is quite a bit of controversy surrounding this aspect of his career, as the two were essentially a package deal. When Gary was at Maryland, he very noticeably balked at this, and has made a few thinly-veiled references to it in the past.
But Hill wasn't a one-hit wonder. His presence and connections led to the commitment of three other highly-regarded DCA alums, Dominique Sutton, Wally Judge, and Rodney McGruder. He also played some role in the recruitments of Bill Walker and Jacob Pullen, among others. He's also built some in-roads with the NY Gauchos AAU team, getting commitments from Jordan Henriquez and Shane Southwell in the past.
Admittedly, his production recently had dropped off a tad. Many of the DCA guys who would've followed him out to Manhattan, like Jordan Goodman and Jerome Seagers, have been heading out to Rutgers and another former DCA coach, David Cox. But K-State is in many ways a tougher sell than Rutgers these days: Frank Martin is insane and nearly drove off his entire team, Manhattan is in the middle of nowhere, and it's a plane ride, not a medium-length car ride, away from DC.
His production at this point isn't even the most important thing anymore. It's his connections and relationships. Gary and DCA had a notably terse relationship. The two were oil and water. In fact, I can't remember any DCA player to ever suit up for Gary, at least not off the top of my head. Hiring Hill - one of DCA's own - would go a very long way towards repairing the relationship between Assault and Maryland. And lest you think that the hiring of Hill would anger the other premier DC-based AAU squad, Team Takeover, Josh Barr says that Hill and Takeover are friendly as well:
Also, in addition to being connected with D.C. Assault, Hill has long known the person behind the other big travel team in the area, Keith Stevens of Team Takeover. Stevens was a young assistant coach at Newport during Hill's playing days.
Essentially, Hill is to D.C. what Bino Ranson is to Baltimore. Just look at some of the reactions from bbasketball people to see what this would mean.
The hold-up is going to be money. Hill is the highest-paid assistant in the country at upwards of $400k a year. He's supposedly willing to take a pay cut to move home, but no one knows exactly how much of a cut he'll be cool with, especially with the differing costs of living. I always say that assistants assist for experience and the chance to be a HC one day, and Hill isn't getting either of those under Frank Martin, but at some point the money starts to be enough to keep you where you are.
If Maryland is able to come to terms with Hill and retains Ranson, you might as well just take some rope, go to Towson, and just start fencing the area off until you reach Fredericksburg. If those two end up being assistants, Turgeon would have one of the most high-powered staffs in the country, and the long-time fan dream of "being able to rope off the DMV" would finally be achievable. No, really, it would be.
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Color me nervous
Ben, what’s your take on the sorta/maybe/kinda sleazyness Hill has been connected with? Is there potential for UMD to get in trouble a few years down the road or is he more of a bend but don’t break the rules type of guy? Or is he clean and I’m just making something out of nothing?
i agree
but kstate hasnt been in an NCAA trouble as far as i know of right? maybe i’m wrong but hill seems like the ulimate “grey area” guy. we are a team that is used to 22 years of totally above the board recruiting but gary was the last guy around that played that way. i think we are gonna have to get used to this
I'm just as concerned, Womps
I’m not a huge fan of the DCA program. If I had my choice (but, of course, I don’t), I would rather get a guy with Takeover connections. They seem like the more above-the-board program.
He's mostly clean
He operates in the grey area for sure, but not the black. Basically, he’s so well-liked by guys there that he doesn’t have to pay them.
At least I hope that’s the way it happened, and not the opposite. Regardless, he isn’t regarded as a dirty recruiter.
Really?
Then why did he sell his services in exchange for Beasley? That deal was anything but clean.
by BeverlyHillsTerp on May 14, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Clean by what definition?
At the time, it was technically within in the rules.
Look, we can go around in circles with this all day. Was it immoral? Hell yes. So was offering Baru’s friend a scholly. But it helped the team and it wasn’t illegal. In the case of Beasley, he liked Hill and felt like he owed Hill something. So K-State paid Hill to get in good with Beasley. You’re given three assistant spots. Use them how you want. Same deal w/ Baru; you have 13 schollies, and if you want to waste one of them there’s no rule against it. Yet.
by Ben Broman on May 14, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why people hate lawyers, hate the law and hate the NCAA.
When you limit your view to exactly what the rule says and ignore the objectives the rule is trying to accomplish, you get immoral, unethical and illegal behavior. Its just a game among the clever people who write the rules and the clever people who try to evade them to see who can outsmart who. I am not interested in watching that game; I want to watch basketball.
The NCAA rule book should only be 20 pages long and the one rule it needs is: “no person shall economically benefit from a student athlete’s status as a student athlete other than the student, in the form of scholarship, and the university for which he plays.” There is nothing vague or ambiguous about it. Everyone knows what it means. If there is a really bizarre situation, the NCAA can address it through its quasi judicial process, but they don’t need to make another rule.
Timeline?
When will we know about him or Spinelli? Will Turgeon make an official announcement about his staff?
I've heard everything from yesterday to next week
I don’t think there’s been any reliable information regarding an announcement.
Turge said yesterday...
He hopes to announce his staff on Monday. Obviously things change but sometime early next week would be the safe bet.
by Ben Goldstein on May 14, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can confirm Turgeon was on campus at around 4:15pm
He was on a golf cart driving past Eppley, I saw him as I was on my way to the gym. There were three golf carts, it looked like it was some kind of tour, but I can’t remember if any of them looked like Dalonte Hill or not.
here is the link
http://twitter.com/#!/bbll4eva_Allen
rival has pop pop but no name and allen had the visit today
looking from the comment he is a terp
i don’t think this will have anything to do with Faust but Gibbs is gone my guess
looks like he did commit
joshbarr joshbarr
Just talked to @bbll4eva_Allen. He committeed to #terps today. @CoachTurgeon’s first recruit #allmets
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well its high time for anyone who doubted turgeon to stop
This guy is going all-in with a good hand. I like the aggressive approach.
by settleten on May 14, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not bashing Turge at all
but I don’t understand what signing a kid few people have ever heard of proves
Nobody heard of
Joe Smith either. What’s your point?
by nebakanezer on May 15, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
the internet and the excessive recruiting sites are not as big as it ‘today’ as it was back in the day.
Yet both are still biased toward large metro-areas and those on high-dollar AAU teams.
In many cases, it just reinforces the biases that already existed in recruiting. Color me unimpressed if ESPN doesn’t have his name. What’s the results? 44 against an elite private school? You can ball. I don’t need ESPN to tell me that.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
all in how you look at it
you can say it is a nothing signing because he is relatively unknown or say that MT liked him for TAMU so why wouldnt he like him for UMd especially if it lessens the sting of the decommitted and maybe starts the process of stemming all the negative buzz and gains the first morsel of traction on starting a normalized environment.. As with all this stuff it depends on how you want to see at it.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 15, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Gibbs is 2011
Allen is 2012 right? Good height and weight for a Point Guard. Not well known on any recruiting sites. Is he on Gibbs level or will only time tell?
Allen
Is he going to transfer to a big time Private School for his senior year? He is boys with JA right?
Seth Allen
The Turge picking up a nice recruit w/o a staff? thats sick
#InTurgeITrust
#FearTheTurge
#WakeUpInTheMorningTurgeonSwagOn
Allen
No exposure where he plays. I want to see him play elite competition his senior year. Would love if he transfers anywhere. Oak Hill, Montrose, anywhere. Gotta get some exposure though
he is staying put
his entire AAU team is transferring to his high school. They might be getting a lot more attention this year if thats the case.
by Charlotte NC Terp on May 15, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
His AAU team isn't very good
If he stays – and it’s never too late to change your mind – then they better play some ridiculous schedule, not just beating up on the local publics.
why?
once he is coming here, who cares how much exposure he gets. I want to win games not the farcical mythical reruiting championship. I would think folks in redskins country would understand that the PR based offseason crown doesnt necessarily equate to winning championships.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 15, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think exposure matters, but competition does
As someone who used to play against the same competition as FCS … it isn’t very good. The talent in and around FXBG is getting better as it assimilates with DC – Josh Hairston and Justin Anderson came from the area – but no one stays. They all go up to Montrose or to a powerhouse somewhere. He’s basically going to be playing AA publics and average-at-best privates, neither of which have any talent worthy of pushing him.
Transferring to Montrose would give him a better ranking, but more importantly it would push him and get him ready for ACC ball.
no argument
That is why I said exposure, not competition. I didnt say he should or shouldnt transfer (tho I am in favor of kids in high school staying local and having family supervision and a “normal” environment to grow as people in addition to athletes) merely that once he has committed to us, I dont care about exposure to boost his rating by a star or digit.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 16, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If Turgeon wins a NC
Then the paycut would pay dividends with a future coaching job?
by PaTerp on May 14, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No chance they pick up Hill unless he really wants to come home
big pay cut + simple difference in cost of living between Kansas and DMV area
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose!
smoke'em if ya got'em!
by Daniel Hamilton on May 14, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe
K State balking at continuing to pay that kinda cash?
"firegary, go sit under the basket at one of Montrose's games next year so...
JA can flush one right down your throat you little trouble making hatin’ weasel…"
by bball purist on May 15, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
or . . .
he sees it as a bigger job and stepping stone to his opwn program?
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 15, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
seth allen needs to play aau ball to get exposure
not rank or some recuriting websites dont know his name
by Andre' Mert Taylor on May 14, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
He Does
just not a well known squad. I don’t know how to read this commit. I don’t know yet if it is good or not. Seemed like Allen was eager to get a scholarship and MD was the biggest name interested. We’ll obviously see how he progresses, dude could be a beast and just no one has seen him. I don’t think you can average 24pts and be a complete slouch though. We’ll see.
Why is everyone complaining about Hill’s background? Does Turgeon look like a fool? Like he would bring a low character guy on board after saying in his press conference that he looks for high character players??!! Wake Up. This would be THE MOST talented staff in college bball.
Spinelli-He has connections somewhere I’m sure, midwest or something.
Bino-Baltimore
Hill-DC
WOW!
If Spinelli could get legit kids to TAMU out in the middle of nowhere
I giggle inside thinking about what he could do with the DMV as a recruiting base.
And I gotta get used to the D in that meaning DC, not Delaware. :)
/Laron Profit says hi.
//Not really
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Exposure???
Does it really matter if he gets “exposure”?? If you mean it would be nice if he went to another school that played against top flight talent in order to get him prepared for the ACC then yes that would be good, but just to get exposure to add hype to the recruiting class? No thanks, I would rather take the guy under the radar everytime, it shows that the coach is truley searching for talent and someone that fits thsystem he’s trying to implement and not checking Rivals or Scout to figure out where he needs to spend his attention. FEAR THE TURGE!!!
agree
We need to see what this kid brings to the table
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/recruiting/2011/05/mark_turgeon_lands_his_first_recruit_at_maryland.html
his coach says he’s got a 40" vert…
by Daniel Howard on May 14, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
wonder . . .
how Gary will feel if the assistants end up making $1M cumulatively? Also wonder if it will be harmonious inside the family with a large discrepancy between the assistants.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think Gary would have a problem with it
Why would he? He didn’t get that money but he fought for it and wanted it. And $1mil is definitely hyperbole; Hill will be taking a paycut to come here, and other two won’t make more than $300k. It might reach $800k or thereabouts.
The second concern is more valid, but given their statures – Spinelli as ass’t HC at TAMU, Bino as lead recruiter in Bmore – I don’t think there’ll be that much of a difference. Bino is already pushing $200k or so and Spinelli will definitely be around there. Hill won’t be much higher than $300k or so if he’s higher at all. That’s a difference, but it isn’t as big as it used to be – it isn’t Ehsan at $90k and Hill at $400k or anything. Considering they’ll all be making really good money in addition to coaching under a well-respected guy in the coaching community (which leads to a better shot at a HC job) I would be really surprised if there were problems.
to Ben and Duck
I guess you two might be right but I think you underestimate the baser side of human emotions. I would guess that Gary’s first visceral response would be akin to "Great, NOW they decide to run with the BIg Dogs!’
I find it hard to believe that Hill will take a 100K haircut to make a lateral move but we shall see. I was assuming Bino at 300K and had no idea how you bring in Spinelli as your first asst for less than your other two assts so had Hill and Spinelli both at 350K. Maybe Pooh was the top asst at TAMU not Spinelli? I thought it was Spinelli but correct me if I am wrong. But if you demote Spinelli from one to two, and pay HIll more . . .IF we have learned one thing about how people in athletics think it is that they ALL spell respect M-O-N-E-Y. I am not LOOKING for problems, really! just thinking out loud.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, Spinelli was the top assistant
I suppose having two top assistants on the staff could cause some problems with ego wars, and that’s something Turgeon has to consider. But even so, I’m not sure you don’t just roll the dice, considering how much power that staff would give you.
As for Hill, I assume he’s making the switch to give him a better shot at getting a HC job down the line. Mark Turgeon’s recommendation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Martin’s recommendation. Remember, too, that the only reason he commanded so much money was his ability to land DC kids, which he hasn’t done in years. I’m guessing that’s because it’s become progressively harder to do at K-State. If he comes in and starts landing DC kids left and right (obviously, that should be easier at MD), his stock skyrockets again and he becomes the next HC at Charlotte or something like that. This is a chance for him to reassert his recruiting chops and potentially grow his coaching ones. He doesn’t have that option in Manhattan. It’s a pay cut, but if he plays it right it’s only a temporary one until he gets to the top level, where the real money is.
good points
and I am not saying dont go for it, just thinking things out. Thanks for confirming Spin was top aide on staff.
by Lucky Horseshoe on May 16, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Gary would not care, he wanted more $$ for his coaches, but
this is too much money to be paying assistant coaches. It’s an arms race that never ends and puts too much economic pressure to win at all costs. If we are going to pay these guys that much money, they better get every recruit and win. Of course, we crossed that line some time ago with head coach pay. It’s big business and as much fun as rooting for Microsoft or General Electric.
We all ooh and ahh when a NFL receiver gets clocked and feel bad for a moment when we learn they have brain damage, but we rationalize it with “that’s why they get paid the big bucks. We did not give him brain damage; he chose that risk for himself.” We don’t really care about the player (there are 100 more ready to step into his shoes), we only care about whether we win. I see the same thing is happening at the college level. Kind of a dark post for me. It’s a rainy Monday.
Noob Question
I’m sorry but I know absolutely nothing about College Basketball management- I’m new here!
Why are you limited to only three assistant coaches?
Just the rule to try to keep things fair
If there was no limit, big time programs with huge budgets would be able to hire 5-6 assistants and have them everywhere in terms of recruiting, while small time programs wouldn’t’ have the budget to hire that many, and they would have yet another thing working against them in the recruiting world.
Re: assistant's salaries
The ceiling could depend on how much Turgeon is getting paid. Do we have contract details and where all that money is coming from?

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