UNLV Job

by firegary on Apr 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT

There is an excellent article that I will link below from gary parrish @ cbs sportsline( home of doyel) on the unlv job position. It goes through why some coaches can succeed and some fail in todays college basketball. and also goes over something very interesting that was not widely reported. Bobby knight inquired about the UNLV job. not surprising when you think about it. Living in a nice city, making good money, with expectations that are not exceptionally high at this point. but i digress.

The article discusses what it takes these days to run a successful program and how it is not a game for old men. back in the 90's you did not need to attend so much summer league AAU garbage to land players. you went a few times during the season to their high school and went from there. A player like Joe smith does not exist today. To be honest a player like juan dixon may still come around( steph curry) but that is more likely than a big guy who is 6-10. there are just not enough of them to get lost in the shuffle. anyways. enjoy the article.

on a final note. will be interesting to see hubert's timetable. normally the longer things go, the worse a situation for the terps...Im not so sure that is the case here. What I hope he realizes is that he will get recruited over @ unc. they will go ahead and keep them coming, and unless you are ultracompetitive to begin with, that situation is not the best for you( see wear twins)

GO TERPS

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sorry

here is the link
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegebasketball/story/14931395/congrats-to-unlv-for-avoiding-trap-of-brown-or-knight

by firegary on Apr 14, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions

Is firegary the leading candidate for the UNLV job?

by Asnis71 on Apr 14, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions

The ham sandwich I had for lunch sucks. Better fire Gary.

Your point is, of course, that Gary is too old to play this young man’s game so we better fire him. I think the more accurate point is the weed out process for being a head coach at a Div I school is brutal and only the most elite coaches ever get to coach into their 60s.

If a school has a vancancy, it is silly to hire an old guy because there is no future, but I don’t think a school should create a vacancy because a HOF coach is old. I don’t think this article suggests firing older HOF coaches is a good idea.

There are hundreds of Joe Smiths and Juan Dixons out there and we see many of them every year in the NCAAT.

by Testudo1 on Apr 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions

I think his point about Joe Smith

was that nowadays high school players are overexposed. A player like Joe Smith—a 6’10’’ athletic, fluid prospect—is not going to fly under the radar anymore. He will be playing year-round in AAU tournaments, youtube videos of his performances, internet reviews by scouting gurus, etc.

Due to this overexposure, it is harder to find “diamonds in the rough”—if a player is a legitimate prospect, other schools will be well aware. Joe Smith was ridiculously underrated as a recruit—and we benefitted. But if a Joe Smith clone were to be in high school right now, I doubt he’d fly under the radar as much as he did 18-20 years ago. (Though Jordan Williams was pretty similar in that respect).

In that respect, I tend to agree with firegary—relying on only diamonds in the rough is much harder now than it was, because so much more information is available about a player. Even coaching staffs without an eye for talent have the ability to spot a good player—the information is all around them. If this is his point, I think he is right. We need to start winning recruiting battles for higher-rated recruits, because the “ratings” are more accurate now than they were, due to the overexposure of high school prospects. A lower rated player is less likely to be a superstar, and more likely to be accurately rated as a future role player.

by bshock on Apr 14, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

factually incorrect

You need to learn the truth about Joe Smith if you are going to use him as an example to prove your idiotic assertion. Joe Smith played AAU with Alan Iverson and won 2 national titles. He was certainly not under exposed,just under utilized as they had 2 great guards in addition to AI and he rarely touched the ball. Gary recognized his talent and recruited him to College Park.

by lefty 18 on Apr 14, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

You want to talk about facts?

First, learn how to spell Allen Iverson’s name.

Second, Joe Smith was definitely not the gem of his class—Booth was. No one was really that enthralled with Smith until his first red/white scrimmage, and then the Georgetown game. I’m not saying he was some 2-star scrub, but he wasn’t considered a blue chip prospect. Considering that a “good not great” prospect became National Player of the Year in 2 years, I’d consider him to be an undervalued prospect.

Third, Gary didn’t recruit Joe Smith to College Park. Art Perry did. See this article (also note the reference to Joe Smith being an “obscure” player from Norfolk.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1996-05-30/sports/1996151143_1_recruits-perry-nate-james

Fourth, don’t get hostile. Even if my example failed (which it didn’t, as I pointed out above), the point still stands. Increased information about a player = more accurate rankings. More accurate rankings = harder to be the only team that recognizes a diamond in the rough.

Fifth, you almost lend support to my proposition. Joe Smith played on an AAU team with a bunch of great guards, and no one knew that he was any good. I would suggest that doesn’t happen nearly as much these days, with much more exposure around the AAU circuits, infinitely more info available on players, and even made-for-tv matchups of the top high school programs in the country. With that much more information, people would have more and better opportunities to recognize his talent, and he may not slip through the cracks.

Sixth, I just supported my opinion with facts. My original hypothesis was well, an opinion. If you think it is “idiotic”—please enlighten me as to how. For some reason I think you’d be outgunned in this battle of wits.

by bshock on Apr 14, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions

the syphilis has gone to your brain

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this is a firegary post after all

Doubt, indulged and cherished, is in danger of becoming denial; but if honest, and bent on thorough investigation, it may soon lead to full establishment of the truth.
-Ambrose Bierce

by CorkyRasmit on Apr 14, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs