Three More Gone: Moore, Wilson, and Till All Granted Release from Maryland
by Ben Broman on Dec 6, 2011 7:09 PM EST
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Looks my 5.5 on the over/under was drastically too low. Still don't think it'll reach double-digits, but I now have some doubt on that matter.
Anyway, the newest victims, by way of a university press release: fullback Rahsaan Moore, running back Jeremiah Wilson, and safety Titus Till. Good news is that Edsall actually commented on these ones. And yes, I realize it's weird when that's good news.
Anyway, I'm not devastated by these, and you could argue that all three are PT-based. Moore lost his job to true freshman Tyler Cierski, who has the potential to be a fantastic lead blocker. Wilson is far behind Justus Pickett and will likely never be a starter at Maryland. And Till, a former four-star, lost his gig after playing terribly against Virginia, including personal foul penalties and missed coverages galore. A.J. Hendy took his spot and did well. When Matt Robinson comes back, Till would be at least third on the depth chart, assuming Kenny Tate doesn't pop back to safety.
In that sense, there's no reason to get antsy about these, like there was with D.J. Adams, R.J. Dill, and David Mackall, all of which had starter-level talent. Especially in the case of a guy like Till, a former four-star who probably thought he'd be starting by his sophomore year, it's not surprising to see him head elsewhere.
Thing is, though, tons of players don't become starters. It's not uncommon, especially for guys like Moore and Wilson who were fringe two-star/three-star types. Guys whose next-best offer was New Mexico aren't usually "start or transfer" types. The problem is that they've apparently decided that, if they're not starting, it's not worth sticking around College Park for. If they were enjoying the program otherwise, I don't think they'd have any problem being a back-up.
And the more that leave, the more it hurts. Without Wilson, for example, Maryland has only two scholarship running backs as it stands right now, with two commitments who could play running back or could play elsewhere. (Two-star Joe Riddle could be at safety; two/three-star Kenneth Goins could be at linebacker.) If Justus Pickett gets hurt, the only cover at the position will be Brandon Ross, a freshman who redshirted this season.
Similarly, the Terrapins now have no cover at fullback, and minimal cover at safety. (If Tate remains at linebacker, the only safeties on the roster will be Hendy, Robinson, and Eric Franklin.) Throw in a missing right tackle and a missing defensive end, and you're looking at quite a bit of attrition already. If things get much worse, Maryland will be in another depth crisis next year. And this time, I don't think Randy can blame it on Ralph.
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by John Stephens on Dec 7, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Here comes the:
Obligitory chucky post about how all of these guys are bad people and edsall is a saint and needs a decade to get enough recruits in here to field a team before we judge him.
by nmcvicker03 on Dec 6, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
One of Bagdhad Bob's final press conferences
“They’re not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion … they are trying to sell to the others an illusion.”
“They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them! Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege.”
You have to give him credit. He knew none of it was true, but spoke with such conviction.
dammit Broman
Don’t tell Edsall who he can blame or he’ll suspend you for the season!
by LeftCoastTerp on Dec 6, 2011 7:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I cheer for the home teams (from Silver Spring)
and proud of my loyalty to my horrible DC teams, but I just don’t know about Maryland football under Edsall. I think i’ll give him one more year to do something, anything positive then i’m moving on to GA Tech football untill Edsall leaves. I’ll still cheer for Maryland at the same time…
Depth
All the depth issues and playing true freshmen that hurt the team this year will be way worse next season. I’m guessing another 2-10 record. Wow, all that work by Friedgen to make us a respectable program is down the drain in less than one year. Insane.
by TerpFan2001 on Dec 6, 2011 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
classic case of...
be careful what you wish for, but in this case I really wish Edsall would step down…
+1
This Guy and KA are nothing but clowns. Our Football program is literally a circus. How does anybody think we can win with this idiot.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Other possible transfers!!
Hearing below and possibly more will be leaving town soon thanks to our new idiot football coach:
The piece of paper formerly known as my diploma
McKeldin Library
Fun
The goal posts
Special K
Parking Lots 1&4
Route 1
Make it stop and please resign Randy. Look at what you’re doing to my alma matter…
As long as Plato's diner doesn't transfer, I'm set
Is Gary Crowton fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
I could do without special K
I like Turtles!
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by RedTurtle on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Special K
Can anyone give me the ‘history’ on Special K? Always wanted to know who he really is and how he got the role.
by A Brackish Water Turtle on Dec 6, 2011 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in a telecomm company
is what my friend heard – K went to school around the time he was in school
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
fun was gone when edsall signed the dotted line
by djcarv2005 on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don't forget "SuperTerp"
who’s been MIA for many games these past 2 years
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Don't forget (Kami)Kaze
transferring to a new stadium after 30 years – lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Fun transferred a long time ago. I never liked Special K.
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by John Stephens on Dec 7, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Looks
like Maryland looking to save $$ by fielding a team with as few scholarship players as possible.
Makes sense. I saw Edsall watching the intermural flag football games. Looks like he wants walk ons who can’t tackle to match our team that can’t tackle.
by hockeyman33 on Dec 6, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Transfer's coming in???
I know most transfers coming in wouldn’t be able to play for a year but is there any FCS star’s that Edsall is after or guys that spent a year at a school like Hargreaves Military Academy? An FCS star or JUCO player from a school like Blinn (Cam Newton’s in between year) might be better back-up to…well…no one.
Does anybody still want to defend Edsall?
Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?
Six players have left the football team less than 10 days after the football season ended. Has that ever happened before, anywhere? I mean, maybe if you had just hired a new coach you could expect this, but after one year shouldn’t you expect most of the players to want to stay with the program they committed to?
I think we had 13 players leave the team before the season, someone correct me if I’m wrong. But I think we might have even more players leave the team this offseason. With all the defections you would think that Edsall and KA would be more proactive if keeping the players at Maryland, but they don’t seem to be trying that hard. It seems like Maryland football is the Titanic, and it’s sinking, but Edsall is just standing there yelling “Everything’s fine” while everybody on the boat is drowning. (And to complete the metaphor, firing Crowton or Bradford without also firing Edsall is basically rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, if you know what I’m saying).
Hey Terp fans, here’s some truths that we all have to accept:
1) Edsall is not stepping down, getting fired, etc. The only way he doesn’t coach here next year is if he takes another job somewhere else.
2) KA will not fire Edsall for at least one more year (probably more) since Edsall’s failure would reflect poorly on KA and he has to hope that Edsall can turn the program around to keep his job.
3) After seeing the assistant coaches’ salaries, I think it’s safe to say that we are stuck with the lot of them for as long as we have Edsall (especially Crowton), no matter how hard we wish for someone else.
Depressed yet? I sure am. Feeling helpless? I sure do. Our football team is in dire straits, and there’s nothing we can do about it. We’re going to find out if Randy Edsall has what it takes to save our football program from himself, whether we want to or not. As the athletic department asked us before this last season: “Are you ready?”
by srabin16 on Dec 6, 2011 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you've already accepted that we are completely fucked
why do you still follow it? In the off-chance that you are wrong? Do yourself a favor, and stop paying attention for a while. You may be right about Edsall ending as a failure, but a lot of us that hope he won’t be, and route for his(and our) success, will still be here when you come back.
#gettingtiredofendlessbitchingandmoaninganddefeatism
#GOTERPS
by 1 proud terp on Dec 6, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you already know that we are all really angry
why do you keep reading our comments? In the off chance that they suddenly change? Do yourself a favor, and stop paying attention for a while. You may be right that we’re bitching and moaning, but damn, Edsall has certainly earned it. But most of us still want him to be successful as long as we’re stuck with him. And if he does fail, we’ll all still be here when you come back to support the next coach.
#gettingtiredofendlessbitchingandmoaningabouttheendlessbitchingandmoaning
#goterps
#butseriouslytakeiteasybro
Reading negative comments is the reason I'm a Terps fan.
I’m becoming a bigger fan by the day. Fuck Edsall, we suck, no chance in hell at success, destined for 2-10 again, we’re the only program to ever have player attrition, no players will ever want to play for Edsall, we are doomed, I like to cry, complaining makes me feel better, run the sky is falling again, we are a joke, turtles are slow, earrings and do-rags are necessary to #win, academics should take a back seat to playing ball, coaches should not have accepted salaries they were offered, we should win every year just because, I will hate my coach because he’s stumbled in his first year, patience is for hospitals, if Edsall wins I will front like I hadn’t quit on the program, there is no excuse for expecting discipline, Edsall and Yow are Duke plants sent in to destroy UMD from within, KA’s masterplan is to turn CP into West Point, I secretly take joy in believing that Edsall will continue to struggle, hating Edsall is more important than hoping for success, our fanbase won’t even show up to hometown Military Bowl but we are a topflight football school and deserve a topflight coach, Edsall ruined Christmas, injuries don’t matter, freshmen should play like veterans, quick somebody tell Noah Spence how bad Randy is and that he should not come here, 1 year is long enough to judge a failure but I will vote for Obama again, I don’t have a problem with giving up on the 2012 season already, too bad Clemson fans who called for Dabo’s firing last year didn’t get their way, I will show my support for the program and school by not going to games, empty stadiums helps recruiting, winning under Edsall is impossible, I will still give a shit about RE and football in a month once Turge & crew get going serious, everybody should be fired from Loh to the back-up waterboy, did I already say fuck Edsall.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 6, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Proud one
What’s the over/under on the number of these coming/being true? lol
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
You missed your calling.......
Did all of that come off the top of your head or do you have it all written down? There’s stuff in there from months ago.
I think my favorite one
is “Edsall ruined Christmas”
by Mike S. on Dec 7, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know about defending him
I don’t know about defending him, but I am certainly willing to keep an open mind and to wait and see if this works out. I am certainly not going to jump all over him because he wants to hold his players accountable or if he exerts a certain level of control over his program. It’s his program. Control away. If he’s not successful after a few years, then he must go. For now, I judge knowing that he had a rough year with numerous injuries and a host of other issues that keep coaches up at night. It’s unfortunate and there’s no doubt that it impacted his ability to win games.
I certainly don’t know whether this has happened before, but players transfer all of the time (the link below is just one example of another school having some transfer “issues.” And, it sounds like they have had others in the past). That’s one of the reasons these teams are so big and so many scholarships are handed out. There will be injuries and transfers and they are both offset by the size of the team. Unless MD is unable to field a team next year, I will not be upset. If someone wants to play here, great. If not, good luck. Either way, I will continue to support the program.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/11/1/2531514/texas-wr-chris-jones-transferring
Not fielding a team next year?
That’s one of the more positive scenarios I’ve seen lately. Maybe the coaches would get bored and quit.
Amen!
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Accountability
I agree that this season could potentially set MD football back almost a decade.
What concerns me the most about him is for a guy who demands so much from his players he has displayed a total lack of accountability on his part. He has not acknowledged once that he and his staff did awful job this season. I know he wouldn’t use these words but at the very least I’d expect a “we all need to get better” type of comment.
We already see players jumping ship and it will get spun into “if you don’t want to be here, then there’s the door.” But the larger question is who can you lure to come here? I don’t see MD as a desirable destination for a college player.
Edsall should be given more time and he’ll get it – at least two more seasons. I agree with you though, the future looks bleak.
"Have a good time...all the time." - Viv Savage
Regarding your statement:
I don’t see MD as a desirable destination for a college player.
Madaras has stated otherwise (at least according to a comment I read the other day). Whether there are enough quality players who agree with him to fill the vacancies we have is a wait-and-see proposition.
He only gave a verbal, there's plenty of time to switch
I’ll believe he’s a Terp when he signs the paper and enrolls in the summer.
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Way too kind on the impact of these losses...
Till is another former 4* recruit thats leaving, adding to Adams and I believe Mackall that were as well. Sure he didnt play great, but he was a RS freshman gettting his 1st action. Hard to write him off based on that sample size. I’m also not sold on Hendy staying as a safety…wasnt he recruited as a CB. I would guess that he would want to play there ($$$ at the next level if he’s good), and it would be nice to have an athlete like him at CB. As for the remaining safeties, Robinson and Franklin are very similar…cant say there shouldnt be room for Till. Who knows how good wilson is/was, but with only one returning RB on the roster that has seen time, cant say losing him isnt a problem.
The point I made was that I'm not convinced Hendy will always be a safety
and while Robinson is an ok player, hes a former 2* that is a bit too big, and a bit too slow to play safety and match up with the big time athletes. therefore, while maybe a 3rd stringer now, Till was a freshman w/ 3 yrs remaining. No sense arguing now though—
i think he was a soph. last year, unless he was redshirted
and isnt Franklin a safety too?
by Maryland1206 on Dec 7, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
No, Till was a freshman
and another thing about Moore- yes, he was suspended, and Cierski was ahead of him, but if I recall he also was considered a possible LB coming out of HS. Depth ok at that spot?? Losing players to transfer decimates depth, as we saw this yr. Next yr looks worse already
I have the same thoughts about Titus
There is a big difference between a redshirt sophmore being disappointed about playing time and/or prospects for becoming a starter versus deciding to transfer. Actually, the R.J. situation bothers me even more. O-line guys spend a lot of time working as a unit. Someone had to know this was coming yet they or Brattan still couldn’t head it off. I know Brattan has had players leave early to go pro but has he had a transfer like this one? I don’t recall one.
This is also another situation where access to the assistant coaches could really help Randy in the PR area. Tom Brattan is a known commodity with fans. His explanation about why R.J. is leaving may have helped to diffuse some of the adverse reaction that occurred..
dont panic
so we are losing a few 4* recruits, Randy has plenty of them coming in… right?
I don't count Rahsaan Moore
He has been gone for awhile- at least 2-3 months for discipline.
I will still wait until Edsall gets his recruits.
Regardless of the kind of year we have next year, I give him through 2013 to show he deserves the job.
Get us 7-8 wins in 2013 and I’m a happy camper. Any less and send him off after 2013.
@kckb8 ... #getatme
You are generous
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
What is the over/under of ...
Rockin Randy speaking at halftime of a basketball game this winter? The pep band might even need to make a special exception for playing Rock and Roll Part II.
by bruterp on Dec 6, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh god I hope he doesn't try to
It would be seriously embarrassing if he got booed, and I’m not sure that wouldn’t happen
From reliable sources:
His message will center around guaranteeing to beat Virginia next year.
In honor of El Camino's release....
Song playing as Randy walks to half court – The Key’s “I Got Mine”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AosA6A3V5Bo&ob=av2n
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Still to be Determined
To me the open ended question to these transfers is how many of the players leaving the program will be playing division one football in the next few years. If the majority of these players end up in division one then this coaching staff is totally culpable. If not then this coaching staff deserves the time to implement its program.
good
hope we have 6 more players transfer
and 6 more after that
and 6 more after that
by bloodwatermission on Dec 6, 2011 10:37 PM EST reply actions
and then
they tell two friends…and they tell two friends….and so on…and so on….
Are you there Gary? It's me NYC Terp 05
Ok this is not funny anymore
Come on somebody in College Park needs to fall on the grenade or get some tits out..SOMETHING…I have never heard of 6 transfers in this short time span…Was Edsall spanking the players or something. WTF!!!! I dont know if I will be able to watch next season the way this is going. A Maryland football scholarship is about as worthless as a Track Scholarship at this point.
My prediction for how KA and RE replace all the transferring players
Conversation in the athletic department, December 2011
Student from eliminated sport: So if I choose to stay here I get to keep my scholarship right?
Kevin Anderson: Yes, you do. But there is one catch…
Student: What’s the catch?
KA: You have to play for the football team.
Randy Edsall jumps out from behind the door.
RE: Welcome to my football team! Take off that hat.
Student: It’s a beanie, it’s cold outside. I’m not taking it off.
RE: Take the hat off. You can’t play with a hat on.
Student: I’m not—
RE: TAKE THE HAT OFF NOW! NO HATZ!!! Or you can’t play on my football team.
Student: I don’t want to play on your football team. I came to UMD to be on the swimming team. Besides I’m a girl.
RE: No you’re not, you’re a Free Safety. Unless you are too good at being a Free Safety, then Bradford will make you a STAR. Now get out of here and get ready for spring practice.
Student leaves.
KA: Our next student-athlete is a girl from acrobatics and tumbling.
RE: Alright! Finally some help for the O-Line. I’m gonna hide behind your desk this time!
End Scene
by srabin16 on Dec 6, 2011 11:16 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
brilliant
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by John Stephens on Dec 7, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
Who is going to carry the ball next year? The leading returning rushing would be C.J. Brown, if I’m not mistaken.
These now daily reminders of the uncertainty at the running back position have led me to the realization that Davin Megget was a solid back who had a pretty good career at Maryland that quietly ended to very little fanfare; all rather unfortunately, I think.
He finished with 2411 yards, good for 7th all time at Maryland, as it turns out.
Check that...
She got suspended for wearing a scrunchy to hold up her pony tail.
Edsall last seen entering engineering building.
Now CBS is on the bandwagon as well.
Negative headline with Randy’s picture on the CBS Sports start page (Biggest flops of 2011) linking to the articles below:
http://bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/31626208/33727167
After WaPo and ESPN, this is at least the third national report from a major news source. Too bad it’s for the wrong reasons. This amount of national exposure is usually hard to achieve.
Here we go
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You want to look away
But it is too much of a mess not to
Edsall
Is literally making us into a d2 program right now. Edsall is an asshole, just seems like a real prick. KA needs to realize that we are losing more money by keeping edsall, than we would eating his contract in the long run.
are these actually transfers or prison releases?
by fkterp on Dec 7, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Glass half full, a vision for 2 years down the road
So when the dust clears with these transfers, I think the guaranteed finish for next year will be 0-12 or 1-11..which will spell the end of Edsall, (NO WAY he gets one more year after another season like this one), and we can begin to rebuild this program starting in 2013. Terps decide to hire a young up and comer, maybe the guy from Towson or someone else not on anyones radar, who comes at cheap price and more importantly without the militaristic bullshit that has destroyed our program over the last 10 months. This hungry, young coach wins over the fanbase and gets our guys playing hard while at the same time taking steps back in the right direction, albeit baby steps. Terps fans are happy to have the program headed the right way, and happier to not have to see RE’s smug face ever again.
Meanwhile, the basketball team will be coming off a 22-8 (11-5) campaign in 2012-13, a sweet 16 appearance and boasting the #1 overall recruiting class, headlined by the Harrison Twins. Turgeon has full support of the fan base, having done a masterful job coaching the 2011-12 team to a bubble season and NIT berth and subsequent run to the NIT finals in New York. 2013 brings and Elite 8 run, and Terps are picked #4 in 2014’s preseason poll, their highest preseason ranking since the title team in ’02. College Park gears up for a title run and everything in the world seems right again.
The young up n coming coach was James Franklin
KA evaluations are garbage
This.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Huh? NEVER.
want her back. She held back our programs. Gary and Ralph would talk about it more but they kept it mostly behind closed doors, which was fine by me. It was the right thing to do instead of airing out squabbles through an underling or after leaving your post with some cheap shots…. whatever….like she was, like…whatever LMAO
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Isnt the townson coach...
… a randy edsall discpline? Didnt he work for him @ uconn or am i thinking someone else?
You are correct
We’ll pass. Don’t need anyone with the stench of Edsall on them.
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
So, it's been over 72 hours...
since Edsall and Anderson had their meeting to review things from top to bottom. Shouldn’t one of them have made a statement by now on what was said? There hasn’t been any good news in a while, especially in the last week with some of the team leaving. I would think they would want to make a statement A.S.A.P. showing some kind of unity/confidence in the plan Edsall says he has for the program. The players are in final exam mode and then head home for the holidays. They’re going to be talking to family about what they should do next year, and the longer Anderson and Edsall go without commenting, the more it looks like they’re not in agreement on the future. Is it wrong for me to think this way? Again, just baffled by the way Anderson and Edsall are handling these issues.
Baffled because idiots are acting like they have no clue???
At least RE and KA are totally consistent. They never miss a chance to screw up, overpay, condescend, or cast blame. Here’s another situation which they couldn’t handle more poorly, but I don’t understand your confusion. If they ever avoided f-ing up, they wouldn’t be who they are.
9 and Counting
Two more Maryland football players — WR Adrian Coxson and DL Cody Blue — will leave football program.
At this point will be even be able to field a team?
It’s so sad what this clown is doing to Maryland.
Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.
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