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Reports: Maryland Hires Local Super-Recruiter Mike Locksley as Offensive Coordinator

It's getting around, so we'll go with our friends at InsideMDSports. Long story short: sources are indicating that Mike Locksley is about to get hired at Maryland as the offensive coordinator to replace Gary Crowton.

This is right in the middle of the basketball game, so that's obviously the focus right now and we'll expand more on it later. Locksley was my ideal hire, and you can read more about him in my earlier post on the offensive coordinator situation.

For now, know that he's probably a "good-enough" offensive coordinator in the Xs-and-Os scenario. Not much in his history indicates that he'll be a cure-all for Maryland's offensive woes, though I do think he'll be as good as Crowton and quite possibly better. He'll likely introduce a pro-style offense, which should be a better fit for the Terrapins' personnel, so if nothing else he'll hold onto the ball more.

The real story, though, is the recruiting impact. In short, Locksley is a DC-area super-recruiter. He's like football's Dalonte Hill. He's not only one of the nation's elite recruiters, he's hands-down the best in this area. He got Arrelious Benn out to Illinois, for Juan's sake.

He will have a massive impact in recruiting. Massive. Mostly in the 2013 class, but also in the 2012 short-term. His addition should at least give Maryland a fighting chance at the elite locals, particularly Eddie Goldman but also Stefon Diggs and potentially Ronald Darby as well.

More later, including on his very public faults (punching an assistant, anyone?). Back to basketball.

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now replace bradford with randy shannon and ill be really happy

by terp11 on Dec 14, 2011 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

took the words right out of my mouth...

I think Shannon would want to be a head coach somewhere though…

by ATLredskin on Dec 14, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we are stuck with edsall

but i’m hopping we replace Bradford with some random defensive position coach from another school that has a good defense or someone with a good track record…

by ATLredskin on Dec 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Replace Todd with LJSr

And Edsall, Randy with Shannon, Randy and we’re back

by settleten on Dec 15, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Larry Johnson

Could seal the deal on getting Noah Spence

by Terp_Nation on Dec 15, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

wow - KO punch to get it done

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Dec 15, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh desperation.....

looks like they finally realized they need to recruit and coach better. absolutley no way they would have made this move last year..

by jmart21_terpalum on Dec 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

+1

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Dec 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering.

I know Locksley didn’t have a lot of success at N.M.S. as a head coach; will being a former head coach cause him to butt heads some with the current head coach? I’m sure from going from a college head coach to an assistant/O.C. isn’t very easy.

by CarolinaTerp on Dec 14, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Would be stupid

after NMS he has to rebuild his reputation.

by Custos on Dec 14, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

True; I totally didn't think about that.

Very surprised Edsall hired him with his past record. I know people change, but with Edsall trying to apparently weed out the bad apples, this is kind of surprising.

by CarolinaTerp on Dec 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

EDSALL'S ASS is GRASS and we are the LAWN MOWERS........

You think they don’t read this shit? If they don’t, others do and tell them about what is going on.

by TwerpsNoMore on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we all agree this is an excellent hire

Finally, someone who can recruit in our own back yard. Don’t know much about his offensive system, but maybe he will actually implement an exciting offense to fit the players and excite the crowd.
Now we can work on the Defense.

by Snappin Terp on Dec 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Don't group me in

I for one am still pretty irked by the way his tenure in NM ended, but that’s just me.

by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Dec 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

New DC

Larry Johnson Sr. Can you imagine how much recruiting would change.

by GregT on Dec 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

thanks for the full name

I was starting to think you guys was talking about Lamont Jordan

by ATLredskin on Dec 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ok did research on the guy...

He bascally has a lot of family members that attended Penn State. I think he is sticking around to see if he can land that HC job at Penn State or even get promoted to defensive coordinator. Its basically a wait and see with him. The guy is good though…like too good for Maryland good. I’m sure a SEC can get him if they want him.

by ATLredskin on Dec 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He used to be the high school coach down at my alma mater(McDonough High School)

in pomfret Maryland(Charles County) the last 3 ESPNU 150 guys from the county have all gone to PSU, id imagine he plays a role

by Maryland1206 on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You went to McDonough? Cool I just graduated from Great Mills, but yeah the last few great players from Lackey & Westlake have gone to PSU. Like Devon Smith, Malcolm Willis, etc. MD needs to get those players in their own backyard from PG, Charles so on. Hopefully Locksley can help.

by Kralle_MD2IND on Dec 15, 2011 2:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

AJ Wallace!

I went to calvert high and my brother played against Wallace (who went to penn state). That man had speed on top of speed. Nice agility too. Owned SMAC

by T Free on Dec 15, 2011 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yea he was the top DB in the region his senior year.

McDounough made it to the state finals but im pretty sure AJ couldnt play due to injury or something(I went to McDonough after he did) IK he got picked up by the dolphins but hes not there anymore

by Maryland1206 on Dec 15, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes!

Lol my brother played vs AJ & his good friend got layer out bad by him. We still give him crap about it. AJ was a beast RB & CB though in high school

by Kralle_MD2IND on Dec 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

*laid not layer

by Kralle_MD2IND on Dec 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great News

With Locksley and possibly LJ Sr. in the mix, recruiting the DMV will turn out much better for us. Also, I think the writing is on the wall for Edsall. He will be gone after next season, if not sooner. Randy Shannon for HC?

by Garyland4Ever on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

Why Randy Shannon for HC?

Dude, he has zero success as HC. I’m not defending RE by the way with this statement, just saying that dumping RE for RS as HC will not be an improvement enough to make sense.

by nmcvicker03 on Dec 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't necessarily agree

He punched one of his assistants, was accused of sexual harrassment and had other “minor” recruiting issues. And his offense is questionable. Aside from bringing great players (hopefully great players who have high character), what else does he bring? If nothing else, is that really enough? He can recurit all he wants, but there are tons of great recruiters in the ACC. Can it be turned into offense?

I’m willing to give him the opportunity on all fronts, but I think he’s going to need some time. So, at this point, I’m not sure I would agree it’s a great hire.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Locksley?

I know people say he is this great recruiter and I know it is hard to recruit at New Mexico, but it was more then just getting players to Albuquerque. His coaching decisions were terrible and the offense was a joke during his entire career at New Mexico.

So, why are some Maryland fans praising this hire?

It is easy to recruit players to Florida and even Illinois, but his actually coaching ability seriously questionable.

by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly I have no idea

He’s a great recruiter, and the ONLY recruiter outside of Gattuso on this staff. We’re going to be a work in progress anyway for the next 3 to 4 years so why not make it fun with talented players in horrible offenses?

Also did he run at offenses at NM?

by terpfan812 on Dec 14, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he did

He also would rotate QB’s like crazy.

Also, if he was such a good recruiter then whey couldn’t he do better then finish 5th and last in the MWC in his two full recruiting cycles.

Maybe I am just cynical because he killed a program that has a middle of the pack MWC team to one of the worst in all of college football in such as short time.

by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Because its New Mexico, and his connections are largely in the DMV area

getting kids to go from DC to Illinois was impressive enough, getting them to go to New Mexico would have taken a miracle

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean he had Cyrus Kouijiando (However you spell that)

listing them in his top 5. It was probably just a courtesy thing because Cyrus liked him but you can’t argue against his success recruiting in the DMV

by terpfan812 on Dec 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Gary Crowton was just that bad I guess

Mike Locksley is a pretty dubious character but Crowton’s offense was beyond pathetic.

Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Dec 14, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Maryland's biggest need right is getting players.

The team still has about 10 scholarships to fill, and might end up with more. There’s minimal talent still around. They need guys, and elite type guys. That’s the need Locks fills.

You’re looking at this as people saying “Locksley is a great overall recruiter,” like he’s Tosh Lupoi or something. He isn’t; you can’t plug him in anywhere. What he is is the best DC area recruiter in the country. The closer he is to DC, or the more pull a program has in the area, the better he’ll do.

UNM was always going to be a disaster for him. He was never going to get difference-makers from DC out there. I’m not seriously concerned by his recruiting record the past few years, and in fact I’m more impressed by it than anything: he got legitimate consideration from Cyrus Kouandjio, which is saying a lot.

He will land kids at Maryland. We already know he can – the vast majority of the 2001 Orange Bowl team at MD was his doing. There’s literally no better place for him to be, except maybe West Virginia, to land elite talent. If Maryland doesn’t get players, they can’t compete. Everything else will have to come later.

Now, the coaching concerns are 100% legitimate. I’ll make two comments though:

A) He did okay at Illinois once his talent got there. His first two years were rough, but those were his first two calling games. His next two they were top 50 scoring offenses.
B) Even the best OCs can run into trouble when they have to call plays and be a head coach. We saw that first-hand with Ralph Friedgen here.

Locks has a lot of flaws. He was one of the worst HCs of all time and I have serious concerns about his ability to coexist with Edsall – they really need to figure out what their relationship is going to be and get on the same page ASAP. But given how desperate Maryland is right now, this is a gamble they absolutely have to take.

by Ben Broman on Dec 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'ALL CRAZY!

We always complain about recruiting the DMV, and we finally get a guy who does it the best, AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING?!?!?

by 7YearGrad on Dec 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Odds On - Danny Stays!!!

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Okay I looked up his offensive ranks from his Illinois days:

2006 57th ranked offense
2007 34th
2008 19th

So he improved his offenses. Illinois went 2-10 in 2006, 9-4 in 2007, and 5-7 in 2008.

by terpfan812 on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

lets all be realistic here..

it will be a while before maryland football is relevant again, but this is an upgrade over crowton. the good teams win by keeping the local talent home, and this is a step in the right direction. i think this could be manageable because he has to be a coordinator now. on a more troubling note, this just shows you that in a very subtle way marylands athletic department is admitting that last years move was a mistake.

by jmart21_terpalum on Dec 14, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

Keeping local talent

So, if we keep local talent, but the offense gets worse, then we will all be okay with that? Maybe not every game, but this team scored points at differents parts of the season. What happens if they have a ton of talent over the next couple of years, but don’t score at all. I mean blanked every game?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone would be happy with that

and i think its a straw man to suggest that anyone would be. You’re holding up ‘local talent’ as an end rather than a means. Crowton’s offense wasn’t working AND he wasn’t recruiting at a high level. At the very least, Locksley is an upgrade in the latter area. If it doesn’t work because Locksley is just that terrible of a Xs and Os guy, then we try something different (though his time at Illinois suggests he’s not that bad). Its still a step in a right direction.

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The question is . . .

Why is is a step in the right direction. Local talent is a means, but everyone seems to be viewing it as an end. You have to take talent (whether no star, one star, two star, three star, four star, or five star) and make sure it works on the field. Everyone seems excited about a guy who has taken talent and had questionable results. Again, he has had talent, and the offense has not been that great. I absolutely believe that Locksley will help to create more athletes. However, if that does not translate to the field . . .

So, we try something else? Then why get rid of Crowton (or at least give him a nudge)? If we weren’t looking for instant gratification, then why not stick with the established guy? It seems that people think there’s going to be some sort of automatic transformation next year. If there isn’t, what happens then?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Crowton openly admitted he wanted the Colorado State head coaching job when asked by the Denver Post … I’m sure that didn’t endear him very much to the MD administration.

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS

by mdak06 on Dec 14, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The big question is:

What were the odds of DOB staying pre-Locksley, and post-Locksley.

by curterp on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

You'd have to believe their improved, maybe substantially

due to the return to a pro-style offense. Enough to keep him to stay? Who knows.

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Same question

That was my very first thought. I know that O’Brien had a strong relationship with James Franklin, and I was expecting to hear that he was going to transfer to Vanderbilt. The fact that he hasn’t - well, no news is good news, that sort of thing, right?

Now you have to wonder if it’s Brown who would consider transferring. Although he was a Ralph/Franklin recruit, so perhaps it isn’t an issue. But if I am DOB (or his dad) I’m thinking that my chances for renewed success in a Terps uniform just got a lot better.

The other way to ask this question might be whether a desire to take advantage of DOB’s very obvious skills may have had anything to do with the motivation to dump Crowton. How much did DOB’s free fall have to do with Crowton’s dismissal?

by Shas on Dec 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK if CJB is married to the QB position.

With his speed he could be utilized at RB or WR. We’re certainly lacking experienced depth at RB, and we have a couple QBs coming in.

by curterp on Dec 15, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

CJ = flanker? & WR

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Dec 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a great point.

Do we have any idea what his hands are like? Not only does he have the speed, but he also has great size for a WR. I would love to see his talents utilized in conjunction with DOB.

by Mike S. on Dec 15, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll see

MD’s offense was rated 60th in the nation in total yards this year. In Crowton’s first year. I I don’t think the offense was nearly as bad as people think. Maybe not great, but I don’t think it was that that bad. By the way, if DOB leaves, who runs the “pro style offense” that everyone is talking about?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

If DOB leaves

Then we are screwed at QB. CJ Brown can’t run a non-spread offense due to his throwing ability, or lack thereof. Hopefully Caleb Rowe or Perry Hills are decent pro-style QBs that have some DOB in them

by terpfan812 on Dec 14, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

60th in offense

I’d like you to go back outside of the clemson game and the nc state game and tell me how many of those yards came during garbage time against the second string during blowouts. Our offense killed our defense over and over again.

by nmcvicker03 on Dec 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Miami

I guess I shouldn’t include the Miami game?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

West Virginia

Or the West Virginia game. Lots of yards, but the turnovers were the key there.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Against a defense with most of its starters suspended?

I considered the offensive performance against Miami a disappointment, especially after the first 10 minutes

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Miami

Its Miami. Even if their starters were suspended, they had backups who were all three, four, and five star players. According to those who have a great appreciation for recruiting, that should have been enough. And, “most” of their starters were not suspended.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, let's take this one-by-one

A) Miami did not have five-star backups. I don’t believe they have four-star backups, though I’d have to double-check. I see what you’re doing with the recruiting comment, but it doesn’t make your argument any less absurd to me, given that I didn’t make any such sort of remark.

B) Most of their defensive starters were suspended, at least depending on how you define “most.” I would consider it to be “a majority.” And guess how many were suspended? Six. Spence, Armstrong, Forston, Ojomo, Vernon, and Cain.

C) The most notable thing about the suspensions weren’t the loss of talent, it was that all of a sudden you had six guys who hadn’t been getting first-team snaps in practice getting first-team snaps in a game.

The Miami performance was promising but I wouldn’t consider it to be a breathtaking offensive performance, all things considered.

(I do love a good debate. Obviously nothing personal between you and me.)

by Ben Broman on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure

A. Are you sure that Miami did not have five star backups? Just asking? And, are you sure they didn’t have four star backups? Just asking?

B. Most of the starters when? Check the starters or those who played at the beginning of the season and those who started at the end of the season? We

C. First team reps? This was the first game of the season? Also, how many first team reps had the MD team had together? I think the Miami game is basically a draw when it comes to the suspensions and the newness issues. MD beat Miami. I am proud of the Terps for that win.

I wouldn’t say that the Miami offense was breathtaking, but they scored a lot of points and gained a lot of yards on National Television. That’s a plus in my book. They probably gained a few recruits on that day. Arguably, they lost more recently and more players, but everyone was siked about MD on that day.

(I’m with you about debating. No mater what, it’s just a game/teams we’re talking about. We’re passionate because we’re fans. Nothing wrong with that).

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

A) Yes, I’m sure they didn’t have five-star backups. Not 100% sure on four-stars, but I remember going through and looking at the players who were starting in place of the suspended guys, and I don’t remember a four-star prospect. There may’ve been one, but it most certainly wasn’t the majority.

B) Those were the starters at the beginning of the year. Valid point, but only partially so: I don’t know who the starters were at the end of the year. Point to me is, Golden thought those six players at that time were better than the six who replaced them. Things change, but I’ll trust his judgment over speculation.

C) First team reps in practice. The suspensions were handed down about a week before the game. So all of these guys who were practicing with the second team and getting fewer snaps were brought up to the first team with only a few days worth of practice. Not a killer for a defense, but harmful nonetheless.

D) Miami had a new coach, too, and we didn’t have any unexpected suspensions to our best players. In no way was it a “draw”.

Actually, they didn’t score a lot of points. Maryland as a team scored 32, of which 13 came from the defense (Vellano’s TD and Chism’s TD). So the offense really scored 19 points. If they scored 19 points every game, they would’ve been 110th in the country in scoring O.

by Ben Broman on Dec 14, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll look it up

A. I’m not sure about the five stars, but I’ll look it up. Even if there was only one four star, compare the number of three or four stars on their team to MD’s offense. How does that work out?

B. That was based on the post-spring roster. One indicator, but not all inclusive. By the way, when the game came, he didn’t say that he suspended his “starters.” Everyone assumed that based on the post-spring depth chart.

C. Maybe about the 1st team and 2nd team. Your supposition would assume that Golden had no idea that his players would not be suspended. I am not sure, but I doubt that’s the case. He probably knew shortly after he arrived and made sure he had players that rotated through the new defensive system. If he did not, then that’s just bad.

D. Yes, but MD was completely changing its offensive and defensive systems. Miami did not. They still run a pro style offense (albeit out of the shotgun; which they did under the previous pro style offense) and their defense is still a base that requires on their athletes to make plays. Nothing really changed.

The Miami game was one game. Scoring 19 points in the first game on a stage? That’s pretty decent. And, they only scored 19. If they defense hadn’t scored or if they had just forced three and outs, the offense would have had more opportunities (or if the defense forced a turnover and gave the ball back to the offense, then they may have had a chance to score). No matter what, I don’t think anyone can fault their production on that stage. If they do, I think they had a totally unrealistic opinion of what the team could do at that point in the season.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Your supposition would assume that Golden had no idea that his players would not be suspended. I am not sure, but I doubt that’s the case.

Every report was that Golden was totally blind-sided by the violations. The suspensions were nothing he had any reason to prepare for. And they weren’t just starters that were suspended, they were star players. Suggesting that they were starters in name only or based on some outdated depth chart is not accurate.

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Every report?

Really? You believe that? After seeing how extensive the gift giving, club going, etc. was? He had no idea after only a short amount of time on that campus? Really?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You think that Al Golden, one of the hottest coaching candidates in the country,

would take over a program where he had no previous ties, knowing that major violations were about to be uncovered?

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Knowing?

Knowing or finding out right after he arrived on campus? Maybe he heard throught he grapevine. Incredibly possible. However, once he set foot on the campus, we are to assume that he had no idea?

by Charles2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And those terrible, terrible sanctions The U had placed on them...

Oh, wait, they’ve gotten nothing so far.

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Dec 15, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Miami had more pure talent. But most of their elite talent – Spence, Armstrong, Forston – were suspended. It was very close to even in pure talent all things considered, particularly because many of the fill-ins were inexperienced.

Of course he didn’t say he suspended his starters. But what else are we supposed to go on? Six starters from the most recent depth chart were suspended. It’s the best we have. Even if it isn’t perfect, it’s significant. You’re splitting hairs on this one.

He claimed several times he didn’t have any idea re: the suspensions. If you know otherwise, more power to you. Even if he did, I’d be very surprised if he knew exactly which players were going to get nailed.

Fair point on the system, though remember that having a new offensive system – which no one has any film on – arguably helped MD as much as it hurt them. How was Miami’s defense supposed to prepare for something they’d never seen?

I’m not saying they were a disappointment. For one performance, that’s fine. But all it is was fine. It wasn’t great, and it doesn’t even out the terrible performances later in the year.

by Ben Broman on Dec 15, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

More talent

Pure talent, elite talent? I think that is splitting hairs. More talent is more talent. Coming to some distinction regarding “elite talent?” . . . I don’t know about that one.

Of course he didn’t say he suspended his starters? Why is that an “of course?” He could have said “I’m suspending my starters,” but he didn’t. There is nothing else to go on. That’s the point. There was a lot of speculation, but no one really knows who would have started or how that impacted their team. Everyone is speculating about the difference because of an post-spring depth chart and the notion of “elite talent.” My point is that it’s just speculation. Sometimes, when you really don’t have much to go on, you just admit that you’re speculating.

I think I’ve said it all regarding the suspensions. He got there in December of 2010. The Yahoo investigation was an 11 month investigation. Granted, it’s not the New York Times, but no one had any idea that they were conducting an investigation?

No one had any film on MD’s execution of Crowton’s system, but there is plenty of film on Crowton’s system (implementation at Oregon and BYU). Also, this is not the first spread offense that they have faced. They regularly play spreads (especially Florida during the Meyer years — which is where Crowton got a fair amount of his spread principles).

I think it was a good start. I would say that it was better than fine. There was a lot of excitement about the offense after that game. There were some dips later on, but I happen to think that many of those were related to injuries or a lack of depth.

The interesting thing for me is that people are focused on Locksley and his recruiting. He has never been known as a great Xs and Os guy. Which is one of the main criticism of Crowton (not one that I necessarily agree with). So, we add a guy who has the same issue as the guy that many wanted gone? Plus, we only hope that there aren’t any “off the field” issues . . .

I really hope this works out and I think it would be great to get more talent. I just hope we don’t have to go through this all over again next year because of “lack of production” or other “issues.”

I don’t think MD had to “gamble.” They could have stayed the course. Since many people are “getting what they wanted,” I hope they will support Locksley in the future if the offense wanes.

by Charles2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You misunderstand me

Pure talent = talent. Ie, star ratings. It’s a euphemism.

Elite talent = their best players.

Because A) he didn’t suspend anyone, and B) why would he go to the trouble of making a specific distinction? He released a post-spring depth chart which was pretty accurate for the time, no coach is going to go through and discuss every depth chart adjustment in the media.

And it was a fine start, but it wasn’t built upon. I’m not sure why we’re making a huge deal out of an average game when we have an entire mediocre season to look at.

Yes, Xs and Os is “one of the main criticisms of Crowton.” So is recruiting. He’s not just a non-factor; he’s a liability on this staff in recruiting. He’s plain not good at it and doesn’t work hard on the trail.

So you have someone with questionable Xs and Os and bad recruiting, or someone with questionable Xs and Os who’s the best DC recruiter in the country. It isn’t a tough call. This is college football, if you can consistently out-athlete the other team you’ll probably go to a bowl every year. Let’s get over that next hump when we come to it.

Your view is that the ship was fine. And if you have that view, then of course you’d see Locks as a needless risk. But if you don’t have that view – if you don’t believe that Maryland could have success “staying the course” – then this isn’t a needless risk, but a necessary gamble. That’s the view of the vast majority of fans, and that’s what this debate is really about.

That’s a whole different can of worms. Agree to disagree. I have things to do today.

by Ben Broman on Dec 15, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Elite Talent

I agree to disagree with you about your definition of elite talent. Particulary when we’re talking about a school like Miami.

Actually, the point was that he did not go into detail regarding suspended “starters.” He did not. He could have. Some coaches actually do reference their “starters” and suspensions and some coaches do go into detail regarding their depth charts. That is why I did not get the “of course.”

I think Miami came up because there were only two games identified above as “productive” displays by the offense. I brought up the Miami game to refute that point. Actually, the person who made the original point cited/admitted that there were at least two other games (against quality opponents) where the offense did show up. So, I agree, we should not be needlessly focusing on one game. MD’s offense what productive in multiple games this season.

I have not seen any evidence that Crowton is not good at recruiting. He may not be the recruiting coordinator and he may not be as good as some other coaches, but that does not mean that he does a poor job. Does not work hard on the trail like people used to say about GW or is he strict follower of the rules and is judicious about who he actively recruits?

It isn’t a tough call? I think you’re forgetting about his the off the field issues that you cited yourself? At New Mexico, who really cares. At MD . . . that could give this school a black eye really quickly. As for out-athleting a team. Let’s try to get to that hump and then try to get over it. We have to get there first.

I did not say that the ship was fine. I do not know what is going to happen next year, but I attributed many of our offensive issues to injuries, youth, and the lack of depth. Others disagree and think it’s the play calling. I guess we will agree to disagree there. The point I was making was that I was willing to give it another year to see what happens. Plus, this is MD, we really do not have the finances to be buying out this coach or that coach. It would be fiscally responsible to wait it out and see what another year might bring. The counter is that new coaches will bring excitement and results and that will offset the buyout. We will have to see. If there are no results, then we will be back where we were before. Actually, arguably, we will have regressed. Just remember, with a gamble, you can lose and lose big . . . far greater than just a team . . . this school’s reputation is worth more to me than a win or two or even ten.

by Charles2 on Dec 15, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: it not being a tough call, it was in response to your point about Locks having bad Xs and Os. I won’t argue about the risk being there with his baggage, but that wasn’t the point you made.

You said Maryland could “stay the course” instead of hiring Locksley. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doing the same thing and expecting a different result (aside from being a famous quote) would imply that Edsall’s way works. That the core of the team (the ship) is alright. It certainly indicates that you don’t believe there are fundamental problems within the team.

by Ben Broman on Dec 15, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

Actually, I made a point about Xs and Os and I made a point about off the field issues. The quote is at the bottom.

Yes, I did say Maryland could stay the course instead of hiring Locksley. For all of the reasons that I previously mentioned. I don’t know that the result would have been different. I repeat. I do not know that the result would have been different. I think I have said several times that I cannot predict the future. I, again, attributed many of MD’s issues to injuries, youth, and a lack of depth. If you have some of the same players in the same system for two years in a row, you add some depth, and hopefully you have less injuries, then I thought the offense would be even better. Not a guarantee, but watching this team, it seemed apparent that injuries and the lack of experience were huge. I think the WaPo article on RE was okay, but I did think they were right on the money about the lack of leadership in the locker room. That’s something that you cannot coach. I’m not faulting the players. It was just missing.

I guess it depends on what you mean about fundamental problems. I think I said in another post that some of the young men there were not going to mesh with RE’s style. I am okay with that. If they want to leave or transfer then fine. A lot of the fans see it as bad and a huge problem, but I guess my focus is long term. When you have a new coach with a new style, things are going to change and a program is going to face bumps in the road. I guess I kind of expected it. Frankly, I was surprised MD’s offense and defense looked so good at different points in the season. I know they had a pretty good season last year, but I’ve seen enough football teams in this area at the high school, college, and professional level transition to a new coach and know that the transition is not always smooth a smooth one.

I know that the coaches are very different, but UVA is a decent example. Their football team and men’s basketball team had some tough sledding last year, but the football team came back in a big way and the basketball team has shown great signs of turning it around. They stayed the course. They let the coaches implement their system and they supported them (albeit with some fans grumbling loudly). If RE fails to succeed, then I would want him to do it on his terms and his way. It may not happen right away, but I will continue to support him unless the team is flat out horrible over multiple years and/or he incurs various violations that put the program in jeopardy.

Nowadays, the cool thing to do seems to be to rotate coaches like musical chairs. I think, sometimes, there are decided benefits with maintaining the current direction. Not with blinders on, but smartly. I know people disagree and thought the program was going in a horrible direction. That’s fine and I will agree to disagree with many of them. I just really really hope this team doesn’t take a step backwards with Locksley. I will support him (unless he does any of the things that I outlined above for RE), but the off the field stuff is one of the reasons why I found the hiring questionable. I hope it works out. I really do.

Quote – The interesting thing for me is that people are focused on Locksley and his recruiting. He has never been known as a great Xs and Os guy. Which is one of the main criticism of Crowton (not one that I necessarily agree with). So, we add a guy who has the same issue as the guy that many wanted gone? Plus, we only hope that there aren’t any "off the field" issues . . .

by Charles2 on Dec 15, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is starting to split hairs too much. When I made my initial point, it was responding to your point about Maryland hiring someone whose Xs and Os were as questionable as Crowton’s, which seemed the main thrust of your argument. Apologies if it was not.

You seem to believe – and I apologize if I mischaracterize your views – that Maryland would most likely steadily improve if no changes were made because they would add depth and experience with the system. I actually would argue that Maryland wouldn’t be adding depth with the significant number of transfers and the uninspiring freshman class. And the experience with the system is only positive if the system works, which I think many don’t believe.

Re: the UVA example, my big problem is that when London and Bennett came in, they won over fans. They did it several ways, including good handling of the media and great recruiting. Look at London’s first class at UVA – fourth in the ACC. Look at Bennett’s first class – fifth in the ACC. Edsall’s? 11th.

This isn’t just a 1:1 example and there are dozens and dozens of differences between the two. If Edsall picks up recruiting, he will gain a lot of supporters, perhaps me included. But right now I don’t think he’s offering much more than blind support. That has its place, but it won’t win over the fanbase at large.

This has been fun, but I think it’s time to retire it (at least this thread’s debate). We’re gonna get to the point where it’s only three words wide or so, lol. Feel free to respond, but I’m gonna have to go focus elsewhere.

by Ben Broman on Dec 15, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind

I don’t mind if you focus elsewhere. I really don’t. I think you’re a smart guy, so I appreciate your responses.

I think it’s interesting though when you qualify some of your responses. Our thread has bounced around a few topics, but you seem to have qualified one of my original thoughts. I know you apologized for it, but I think it was also pretty clear. Actually, I’m not sure it could have been clearer. I really don’t want to hurt MD recruiting, so I don’t want to belabor the point. The original thread — that you authored — noted that the new OC may have off the field issues. That is something that I incorporated into my response to one of the previous discussions. If Mike Locksely was a great recruiter and an okay Xs and Os guy and that was it, I think the discussion would be limited. The problem is what you already identified. There’s more. That what I pointed to in my quote. I appreciate your apology because that is one of my main points. It’s not just that he’s a great recruiter, it’s not just that he is unproven at Xs and Os, it’s that he has had multiple — multiple — off the field issues. I know that you apologized about misinterpreting the “main thrust” of my argument, but I just felt the need to clarify that issue.

I understand your point about the transfers and the lack of belief from fans. I feel differently because of certain injuries and the prospect of those players coming back. Yes, there have been transfers, but I expected many of them. RE is not new to me, nor should he be new to anyone who has followed college football. He is particular and he is pretty direct. I don’t necessarily see it as a bad thing, but I could see it rubbing people the wrong way. So, I factored transfers and other issues into my depth thoughts. It’s fascinating to me that no one really acknowledges that. They had multiple injuries week in and week out and, still, the coaches are the focus. I understand that the games did not go as planned, but the injuries play a factor. They just do. Even in college football.

I understand that many people don’t believe that the system works. Of course, some of the same people thought that that Auburn’s no huddle system was great and that Gus M would be a great hire for MD (I’m talking about MD fans and analysts outside of MD). A year later and less “elite” players and the system suddenly does not work. Like him or not, in favor of the statistics or not, Crowton came here and had the 60th ranked offense in total yards. I guess some think there are lots of garbage yards or that the stat was not that important. This is the same man that showed up and said that Brown was a quarterback. Most MD fans thought that he was full of it or that he didn’t know what he was talking about until they discoverd that Brown was a player. The thing that really gets me is that MD was actually very close to winning a lot more games this year. If they had won those games, we would not be having this discussion. A couple of years ago, after some down seasons, the Fridge said he was close and no one really wanted to give him an opportunity. Lots of fan (and moderators) on this post were negative about him and the future of the program. That is actually one of the reasons why I think Anderson fired him so quickly. He catered to the fans and thought that without Franklin, he needed to move on. He actually listened to the fans (one of the things that I think got him in trouble) and fired a pretty good coach. I think he’s doing the same thing now with Crowton. Everyone can cite all of the articles they want, but do we really think he openly campaigned for the CSU job because he felt his position was safe here at MD or because he thought he was going to
get the boot. The guy’s not stupid. He knew a lot of fans were calling for his head, so he was looking for a way out.

I qualified the VA coaches. I said that they were very different. I do think, however, that there were fans that wanted to fire them after their first seasons. That’s the point I was making. Very different, but similar in that people wanted to get rid of them. Nott completely analogous, but the point was that some fans wanted them gone and the administration stayed the course. The coaches were “friendlier” or nicer. I have not problem admitting that. I don’t know much about Bennett, but it seems as though Mike London is a really good guy.

I hear you about focusing elsewhere. It’s cool. Fear the turtle!!

by Charles2 on Dec 16, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

In an effort to scrunch these columns further

“The guy’s not stupid. He knew a lot of fans were calling for his head, so he was looking for a way out.”

GC may actually have been foolish. He still had an unsigned contract and actively was looking for another position, and if he was considered to be under contract by virtue of getting paid, did he have permission to search for a new job? I do not believe he had permission. Someone correct me if that’s an incorrect statement.

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by bball purist on Dec 16, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Top to Bottom

There was also a recent review of the athletic program. Perhaps he didn’t get the marks that he was looking for?

I take your point, but if he was seen as looking for active employment and he did not have permission, then he would have effectively been in violation of his contract. Even if he did not sign the actual contract, he probably signed a letter of agreement or memoradum of understanding prior to the season.

I don’t know whether he had permission, but it would not surprise me if they told him it would be okay if he looked elsewhere.

by Charles2 on Dec 16, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes me laugh

That Chuck and Charles2 are the two biggest defenders of all things Edsall/staff.

Aptly-named.

by bshock on Dec 17, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

nope.

Terrible first half, WVU has a terrible defense as well. Again, and nothing personal either, just think if you go back and your mind and rewatch these games, we were blown out because of the offense not having any consistency and constantly hanging the d out to dry.

by nmcvicker03 on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense

Interesting. When they did well it was because there were suspensions on defense or the other team had a really bad defense. No credit for the MD offense whatsoever. I just think that you have to give them a little credit. And, the offensive coordinator should be included in that mix.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I can't.

it was abismal. Just in the case of not giving meggett enough carries on the year was enough for me. The offense barely ever had rythm.

by nmcvicker03 on Dec 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Total offense is my least favorite stat

It has its place, but it’s significantly over-cited. I don’t care about yards. Yards don’t win games. I care about points. Did they score points?

There is a point to total offense – namely, to see if they were moving the ball, which as you say would be a means to an end. But it’s not the end itself.

Of course, my biggest problem with the offense was that it boned the defense.

And why would DOB leave? The only reason he was going to transfer was because he’d be benched in favor of CJ. He won’t be benched in a pro-style, for obvious reasons.

by Ben Broman on Dec 14, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Total offense is your least favorite stat? If you check the list of top offensive teams, there aren’t many that don’t have a lot of yards attached to their scoring. So, yes, they score points.

It’s not the end itself, but moving the ball is key. No one is taking a look at the turnovers that MD had. Many of them were devastating and killed drives and the momentum of many games.

Why would DOB leave? Good questions. Many people seem to be of the belief that RE is not a great coach. And, some of his players do not want to play for him. If that holds true, then DO may leave. If he doesn’t, I would assume that he “likes the coach” (which is a bit contrary to the other players) and/or “wants to play for him.”

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Turnovers don't just happen. If Crowton gets credit for the yards, then he also shares some of the blame for the turnovers.

They can be prevented with more conservative run-focused play-calling, which based on Locksley’s offense at Illinois he’ll probably bring, and more talented players, which is his biggest selling point.

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree

I agree with you. But with less practice time and a new system, you can only work on so many things.

I really hope the offense gets better next year, but I think there are going to be some real issues. Lockley can’t change recruiting that much for the next year now (even if he does in the long haul). What happens next year with a pro style offense and less receivers (and maybe one less pro-style quarterback)?

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Lockley can’t change recruiting that much for the next year now (even if he does in the long haul)

Well thats not really true. Theres still a large number of unfilled scholarships, and maybe even more if the transfers continue, and quite a few top level local recruits that have some interest in Maryland. Locksley could be what’s needed to stop the bleeding and turn this recruiting class around.

by kba26 on Dec 14, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Eddie Goldman

I read on one of the IMS that he is taking an ov now to maryland.

by terpsfinish on Dec 15, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A prime example is:

Maryland had 499 yards of total offense against Miami, but settled for field goals four time, and scored only one offensive TD. The defense scored two touchdowns and, frankly, saved the win.

Miami had only 367 yards of offense. Based on those two numbers, we should have won by two touchdowns. But we could EASILY have lost that game with 500 yards of offense!

by curterp on Dec 14, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Scoring in the red zone is not easy

Scoring in the red zone is not easy. Especially when you have a new offense. We are really blaming the offense because they had a bunch of yards and scored a few field goals? That takes time and consistency. I guess we’ll have to see if they do better next year. Remember, before Danny O’Brien had his breakout season, he had a chance to digest the offense for at least a year. For the second year in a row, he will not have the chance to do that. If he stays, we will have to see what happens.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Exactly. So, I hope that factors into everyone’s thought process and euphoria. I hope.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

What should be done

Locksley would make excellent sense as a position coach and recruiting coordinator. Put him where his strength is. Bring in another coach to run a pro-style offense.

I think Maryland is probably working on buy-out deals with several of the assistants and we will hear more in the coming week.

by bruterp on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

Not a bad idea

I still think it’s questionable to hire someone who has had so many issues so recently, but there just isn’t a lot to indicate that Locksley will be successful at the Xs and Os. Maybe he could benefit from a young creative Xs and Os guy that he assists or that assists him. I don’t care as long as there is a method to the offense.

by Charles2 on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is amazing:

We got the OC most people said would be a good choice, and within hours (hell, it hasn’t even been announced) there are some who want to demote the guy already!!!

Give him at least 24 hours to prove himself!!!!

by curterp on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I do know a kid from Charles County, was a 6'7 330+ o-lineman

who somehow ended up at UNM and started this year as a freshman, watched him play a game, and hes hugh even compared to Texas Tech. I heard he was having some academic problems, but maybe getting him to transfer here(local) would add more depth to our Line in 2 years and we could just redshirt him as he sits out. His name is Jamal Price if anyone cares and thinks it could happen.

by Maryland1206 on Dec 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

What high school was he from?

I remember as a freshman I had to block a 6’7 300+ kid from McDonough. But I know Westlake & North Point also had great size on the lines.

by Kralle_MD2IND on Dec 15, 2011 2:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

His problem was he was really soft for a huge kid, & he wasn’t very strong. Idt I even gave up any TFL’s to him & I wasn’t that great.

by Kralle_MD2IND on Dec 15, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this kid played Left Tackle, so you must be talking about the other 300+ kids they had on their team, because this kid pretty much run over anyone they put in front of him…
He was a big reason why McDonough won the title in 2010….

by stormtrooperz on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

If he had academic trouble at UNM

Ain’t no way he’d last a semester at UMd.

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by duck on Dec 15, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Do any of you get the suspicion...

That RE and KA are reading this site lol? I mean seriously. Lately they have been making moves that the majority of voices are saying on this site.

by nmcvicker03 on Dec 14, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

People within the AD (not Kevin and/or Randy) do read the site

They may not go through all the comments or anything like that, but they do check in on us. It’s a very easy way to get a pulse on Maryland’s fanbase.

For the newbs: one time Debbie Yow reached out to us to set up an interview. So somebody knew we existed.

by Ben Broman on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if they do not

Even if they don’t read the site, they probably read the articles that cite this site.

Interesting that the blog becomes the citation that’s used in the “article.” Just interesting. The article bases certain opinions of MD fans on what is seen on this site. That’s it. I just find that fascinating. I hope it’s accurate.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/14/2637474/mike-locksley-maryland-football-offensive-coordinator

by Charles2 on Dec 15, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Now you guys can thank me for saying I'm cancelling my season tickets

Nothing says “do something!” like lost revenue. Even my 1200 per year

by settleten on Dec 15, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

People disagree w/ me all the time

I’ve never claimed to be the voice of all Maryland fans. (It’s one of the things I dislike about, say, Bruins Nation, which gets on its high horse every time a hire is made and has to shout it down about how inept and terrible everything and everyone is and how the fanbase deserves better.)

I sort of present it as: “I’m me. I’m a Maryland fan. These are my opinions on stuff.”

And all SBN wants to do when they do something like that is drive traffic our way. That’s it.

by Ben Broman on Dec 15, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Moving deck chairs on the Titanic.

The captain is still here and he is the problem.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

If only...

Charlie Taaffe left UCF to come back here and run the BRUUUUUCE Perry option and Locksley became our recruiting coordinator/designated guy in timeout. Plus, LJ Sr. D-coordinator. Orange Bowl 2013 here we come.

by AimHigh on Dec 14, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Even if...

we lose every game and we don’t score a touchdown all season long, if he does a repeat performance and punches Edsall in the face – well then I for one will be satisfied .

Are you there Gary? It's me NYC Terp 05

by NYC Terp 05 on Dec 15, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hey Ben, is there any rule that says that if a guy tranfers out of a school, he cant tranfer back?

Because we could really use Javarie Johnson, if this Locksley report is true. Since Locks is the reason he went to UNM, do you think he’d be willing to come back?

by fatchris on Dec 15, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

New DC

Vic Koenning just left Illinois. He had the 7th best defense in the country too. Terps brought one former Illinois coordinator in, this one wouldn’t hurt either…

by fballplyr92 on Dec 15, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

My Brother Went to Illinois

I follow Illinois quite closely, and Koenning is a great DC. I think he would want to bring his entire staff with him. They offered his the DC position under Tim Beckman’s new staff at Illinois but he didn’t want to stay because his staff wouldn’t be retained.

by sluggedmetal on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

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