Maryland Caps Woeful Season With 27-Point Collapse at N.C. State
by Ben Broman on Nov 26, 2011 4:32 PM EST
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PrintEpic collapse. (I'd say it's unbelievably epic, but sadly that isn't true: even the players on the team had a feeling of eventuality.) But I digress: if Maryland needed to find the perfect way to cap off this season, I think they nailed it here.
After an incredibly painful season full of disappointment, heartache, and frustration, it looked like there was a light in the tunnel, a bright little silver lining upon which future successes could be built. Maryland, playing for nothing but pride, had an N.C. State team fighting for bowl eligibility on the ropes in Raleigh, holding a 27-point, 41-14 lead in third quarter.
And then the Wolfpack scored 42 consecutive, unanswered points in the span of 21 minutes, capping the second-largest comeback in ACC history with a 56-41 win - or, if you're a Maryland fan, the second-biggest collapse in ACC history.
Maryland had a 20-point lead in the fourth quarter, and lost by 15. That's where we're at in life right now.
I'm not sure anyone wants to read a recap, but for the sake of completion we'll go through the motions. Maryland's lead was largely built upon an avalanche of first-half N.C. State mistakes, including three fumbles - one of them entirely unforced, with James Washington simply dropping the ball - and a Mike Glennon interception. Two of N.C. State's four turnovers resulted in Maryland defensive touchdowns, as A.J. Hendy (interception) and Dexter McDougle (fumble recovery) took their takeaways to the house. And Maryland's offense clicked as much as it had all year, scoring three TDs of their own in the first half, matching their best single-half output of the season. On the strength of two touchdowns from C.J. Brown, Maryland took a 34-14 lead into the half.
And for a few minutes, it looked like the second half would be more of the same. Davin Meggett took a 46-yard touchdown to the house, and N.C. State had to punt. Leading 41-14, all was right in the world.
Here's the drive chart for Maryland's next six possessions: punt, punt, fumble, interception, punt, interception.
And here's the drive chart for N.C. State's next six possessions: passing touchdown, passing touchdown, rushing touchdown, rushing touchdown, passing touchdown, interception return touchdown.
In short: everything went to hell in a handbasket.
People will look to assign blame, with good reason. Part of the problem was the offensive ineptitude; obviously, they had six straight possessions in the second half with nothing out of them. And remember that 14 of the 41 points were actually defensive scores, and another touchdown only had to go 32 yards. 41 points is a misleading number. Of course, there was also the never-ending time of possession problem: the Wolfpack won that battle 35 minutes to 25 minutes today.
Others will blame the defensive play calling, namely a fourth-and-12 when Maryland rushed three, dropped eight, and still gave up a wide open, 13-yard reception. Others will be blame the lack of depth on defense, which has routinely come back to hurt the Terrapins in second halves.
There were also problems with discipline, which is strange for a disciplinarian coaching staff. Maryland had several key penalties, including two 15-yarders late in the game to set up State with good field position and extend drives. Still others will blame the players for a lack of execution, and that has its place, too.
As does Randy Edsall. It is, after all, his job to ensure that the players execute the plays, as well as to make sure the right coordinators are hired to call the plays. He failed miserably on both accounts today. But his worst failure is far greater: the attitude of the team was so depressed, so defeated that as soon as one thing went wrong, everything went wrong. N.C. State began to make their comeback and Maryland more or less rolled over. They lost all fire. And while I'd never claim to be certain about such things, I'm extremely confident that that can, in part, be traced back to the disconnect between Edsall and his team.
The commentators on the ACC Network consistently referred to Edsall's comment that "everything that could've gone wrong this season, has gone wrong." I would counter with my own: "Everything that Maryland could've done wrong this season, they've done wrong." N.C. State tried to give away this game, and Maryland gave it right back.
Enjoy what's left of your Saturday. We'll have the Stock Report (EVERYBODY FAILS) tomorrow, as well as some season-review type things, just in case you aren't depressed enough.
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What took you so long, Ben?
I figured you had this post completely done by the end of the third quarter, and just needed to fill in the final score.
by jellis77 on Nov 26, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It can and will get worse next season IMO
How many players will transfer? Anybody on track to graduate with immediate eligibility remaining like DOB will. Is Tate on track to graduate? His NFL prospects aren’t going to be enhanced playing LB. The team didn’t buy into Edsall’s puritan style discipline. The incoming 2010 class should have plenty of players looking to finish out their last few seasons of eligibility not playing for Edsall even if they have to sit out for a season.
Why would any talented recruit with options to play at good programs play for Edsall? He couldn’t attract talent to UConn and there is no reason to think he can attract talent to MD. Kids don’t want to play for him. His militaristic style is from the 1950s.
What a disaster. Firing Fridge, cutting Franklin loose, and then passing on Leach to hire a pompous drill sargent.
Edsall has demoralized our FB program more than it ever has been in the past 15 years. That is no small feat considering the depths MD reached after Ross departed due to the athletic reorganization in the wake of Bias’ death.
by Draftnik PGH on Nov 26, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
DOB isnt on pace to graduate. If Tate wanted to go pro he wouldnt have
filed for a medical redshirt. There really wont be a lot of people transferring(Mackall and DJ maybe). If you hate Edsall then just stop worrying about our football for atleast 3 years because he isnt going anywhere. We had just as bad of a year 2 years ago, everyone wanted Fridge to be fired then 1 year later he does get fired, and now everyone wants him back? What ever happened to letting Edsall get his players in here and let him get things the way he wants.
by Maryland1206 on Nov 26, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Fridge never alienated players, alumni. & fans like this
Edsall demoralized an entire program with his militaristic & puritan hubris. The 2-10 record can’t quantify the rancor he created.
The Sun & Post claim DOB is on track to graduate this spring:
by Draftnik PGH on Nov 26, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2-10
Huge difference in that Fridge team that went 2-10. First, I understand that 2 wins is a miserable season for any coach. However, Maryland entered the 2009 season with just nine returning starters, the fewest in the ACC, and 56% of its lettermen from the prior year, the lowest of any team other than the service academies. 5 losses were by a TD or less. That team played hard all season and never gave up.
Of course, 30 seniors left...
in 2008 because Fridge didn’t know how to recruit consistent classes. It was Fridges fault 30 seniors were in one class, and that those 30 seniors were so important to the team. Topping that off, it’s not like those 30 seniors were studs. They did after ONLY go to the Humanitarian Bowl.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 26, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes losing a lot of seniors isn't due to unbalanced recruiting classes
The 2010 basketball graduating class (Greivis, Hayes, Landon) was not a large class nor were they even as hyped as the class that followed, they just all happened to be starters and played well together. We lost 3 starters and a good percentage of scoring that year just because Gary got three players who filled roles early in their careers and improved as a unit.
Fridge’s 2008 seniors were in the same situation. Football scholarships are harder to predict because of injuries, transfers, and redshirts. If the entire class before them redshirted and no one in the 2008 class graduated, you would have 40-50 players leaving the university in one year. And looking back, that 2009 season (although we were 2-10), we were within 7pts in five of our ten losses.
God bless ya Chuck
Even after today’s debacle, which was emblematic of the entire season, you’re still here to poke Fridge and stick up for your boy Edsall. You’ll be positively unbearable if he improves to 3-9 next year (which I doubt).
Wonder if the Humanitiarian Bowl takes 2-10 teams that give up 50 points a game?
Wonder if the Humanitiarian Bowl takes 2-10 teams that give up 50 points a game?
That.
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by John Stephens on Nov 27, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fridge was hard as hell on the players when he came in
maybe that’s why he won so much w/ RV’s players – change in structure.
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by bball purist on Nov 26, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
You have hit it on the head on all fronts
Man, I think you have nailed it here. We are in for some long rough times under MISTER Edsall (as i am sure he demands to be called that).
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by RedTurtle on Nov 26, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see any clear direction for the program right now.
The Edsall regime lacks any real accountability and that’s one of the vital aspects of good leadership. We lack the ability to adapt to our personnel as well. The reason Edsall never won the Big East consistently was his lack of adjustments to talent, his refusal to accept that his players are young men and not yet professionals. DJ Adams will make a mistake, but taking away playing time from him when the same punishments are given to receivers who assault people outside of a bar is downright hypocrisy. Punishment should be progressive based on the degree of the severity of the situation. Not liking a person’s attitude is also a clear lack of leadership, if you work for a corporation and expect to maximize profits you put him out there even if you don’t like him. The Friedgen 2-10 season was a clear lack of talent and albeit this defense lacks talent, at least Fridge showed function within the program. Fire Edsall before it gets worse.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
someone needs to start following their own mantra.
“The reason Edsall never won the Big East consistently was his lack of adjustments to talent, his refusal to accept that his players are young men and not yet professionals.”
Looks as if your passion is taking over reason.
And if you want to compare a college football team with a corporation, you should start rooting for USC.
Finally, if so much blame goes to Edsall, he should at least have the right to have players on the field who play on the field AND act off the field like he wants them to.
Disconnection Everwhere
When will someone start writing that MT has a disconnect with hoops team???
My guess is five more losses and hs pg committing to UNC.
by 7YearGrad on Nov 26, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe when his players come out and start saying it
The basketball team seems to be improving and reacting well with turgeon. Turgeon also inherited a team that is way worse off than the football team. On top of that, the team actually has a winning record.
Seems to be improving?
Where is the improving part? The only way you could say that was after our win against Colorado when Stoglin was out of his mind. But then we went on to lose by 26 to Iona and still play like shit against Florida Gulf Coast. I’m not sure where the improving part is really. I guess we will see against Illinois.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Going into this season, few of us expected:
1) Pankey to rebound as well as he is; and
2) Padgett to be in the neighborhood of 10 ppg and 8 rpg (he’s not there yet, but he IS in the neighborhood).
No one was really sure which Mosley would show up, but his number have certainly improved over last year. And even Parker has shown flashes (not of a 4-star calibre player), but of improvement over what little we saw of him last year.
Stogs is slowly adjusting and showing improvement in his PG play, which will, from time to time, affect his shooting performance.
3 of the 5 teams we played
Were cupcakes. Granted I think Iona could be one of those teams that you pick to go to the sweet 16 if they make it to the dance, don’t look at the stats just yet.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to be a downer, but I’m extremely unimpressed by this team this season. Padgett won’t be anywhere near double-double territory. And you say Stoglin is showing improvement in his PG play, but didn’t he have 0 assists against Florida Gulf Coast? I’m not sure how an improving PG can have 0 assists against a cupcake, that’s just me though. And I don’t know what you’re seeing, but Parker looks terrible right now. I cringe more when he has the ball in his hands than I did with Cliff Tucker.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Iona isn't a cupcake
They have high-major talent this year. Glover, Jones, and Machado could play on any team in the country, save maybe UNC.
I’m extremely unimpressed by the team as well, but not because Turgeon. It’s not a very good team, but not in any way that’s his fault. It’s almost impossible to be good with seven scholarship players and no talent. Parker can’t dribble, Mosley’s still afraid to shoot, and Stoglin, love him though we all may, is an out-of-control chucker and that’s the only reason he puts up the points he does. On a good team, I’m not sure he could function.
The reason I consider Edsall different is because I don’t at all consider the hand that was dealt to him to be a poor one, and certainly not on the level of Turgeon’s. No one expected anything in the way of results from Turgeon. Everyone expected results from Edsall.
temple isn't a cupcake either.
ben, I think people underestimate the difficulty of building a consistantly winning football team. There are 100 players. you can inherit a lot of guys who are decent players but don’t fit your system. Those guys can actually hold you back from getting where you want to go as fast as possible. I feel that Randy is not transitioning because for one…many players are injured/academically challenged. but also some don’t fit or want to get drunk and have fun. This is an overhaul and he appears to want to gut-renovate the program instead of patching the holes and giving it a tune -up for continued mediocre results. It is an experiment worth trying. We have never had a consistant 10 year run like beamer.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
No, they only lost to Ohio, Toledo, and Bowling Green
Find a single good team they beat.
I’m tired of people talking like he inherited 80s-era Miami. The program wasn’t exactly a runaway train here, people. They didn’t get enough academic support and that hurt, but the program was hardly full of no-good hoodlums.
I'm with you
For the most part. I do think Iona is a good team, and I really hope they make it to the dance so I can put them in the Sweet 16 when everyone else may be sleeping on them. But should Iona EVER be 26 points better than us? Even if we are depleted with only 7 players, we do still have 3 4-stars on this team, Stoglin is talented, etc. So while I don’t necessarily take issue with them beating us, I do take issue when they beat us by 26 and it easily could’ve been more.
And I don’t put this on Turgeon, I can only imagine how frustrating it is when you call a play from the sideline and all Stoglin does is run in circles and throw up contested shots. So yes, the expectations are tempered, and rightfully so, for Turgeon’s first year.
Then people want to say, “well he doesn’t throw his players under the bus like Edsall.” Well I’m not sure how Edsall has done anything different than Turgeon so far. Turgeon has come out and said that this team can’t run an offense and that Stoglin isn’t his ideal PG. How is that any different than what Edsall has said this year?
But why is it that just because we had higher expectations for Edsall’s first year that means that we were right about the expectations? I know we were a pretty good team last year, and we had a few guys coming back. But when you factor in all of the talent we lost, the injuries we’ve had to deal with, and the scheme change we were put through, it was destined to be a tough year no matter what we all thought we knew. So are we mad because we were wrong? I just don’t get it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
it is my experience
that permanant positive results only occur when building a solid foundation. Especially in a physical and massive undertaking like college football. Sometimes you have to go back to the basics and build block by block. This takes maturity, strength, patience, will and endurance. Edsall seems to have it. I believe that undermining a person willing to perform that task for YOUR team is self destructive. Not many people are capable of it. I want upperclassmen on the lines and linebacker 2 deep. That is the time to judge.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Just an opinion...
but we’re mad because of the hire. Anderson gets rid of Fridge and says he wants this team to go in another direction; be more competitive each year. Again, the rumors of Leach and Malzahn rain down on College Park, and the fan base goes crazy. Then, we get the announcement that Edsall is the head coach: seriously, did you (or any other poster on here) really jump up and say “Hell yeah…we’ve got our man! Great hire, Anderson”. I’ll be willing to bet that almost 90% of our fan base said: “WTF?” And it’s NOTHING against Edsall; it’s just that he wasn’t the sexy hire that everyone wanted. We had our chance to land a proven winner (whether it was Leach, Malzahn, or someone else) and we didn’t do that. I know you get tired of seeing these stats, but they are real: 74-70 in the Big East (the most criticized and least thought of BCS conference in America) and 1-18 against top 25 teams before this season. In all honesty, I think the majority of our fan base is more disappointed with Anderson than Edsall; he’s just easier to blame, almost like an “I told you so” mentality.
And as Ben mentioned in another post before, Edsall’s hires have not been the best either. An O.C. who couldn’t do much with a TON of talent at L.S.U.; a D.C. who just seems over his head; and other coaches who just haven’t panned out. It’s like a teacher who is constantly criticized by parents and students all the time for not doing their job; you can bash him/her all you want, but the Principal is the one who is blamed for hiring them. Not the greatest analogy, I know, but hope you understand what I was trying to prove.
by CarolinaTerp on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
This is something
I’ve thought for a while. That people hate Edsall because of what they think could’ve been rather than what is. And quite honestly, those who feel that way need to get over it. Leach was NEVER going to happen whether anyone agrees with the reasons or not. We went after Malzahn but he wanted a guarantee he would be the HC before he even stepped into a meeting and that’s ridiculous. I wanted Malzahn bad, but it wasn’t going to work that way.
That doesn’t mean that just because we may have wanted other people means that Edsall is a bad coach though. I know it’s tough to see the silver lining in the storm clouds because a lot of people either had predetermined feelings about Edsall or are unhappy with this season (and who could blame you). But make no mistake, there is a silver lining. Maybe I’m crazy, but I see it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you're right.
I hope there’s a silver lining as well; the stats just aren’t there to prove it, and make no mistake, we are a stat-driven society, especially in college football. I am in no way saying Edsall is a bad coach; I think he’s more of a “rebuilding” coach than he is a “take us to the next level” coach. I still don’t think we needed rebuilding, but I could be wrong. I understand, also, that coaches have to have set rules that the players need to follow; just seems like Edsall has given the impression, with some of the suspensions and quotes, that he inherited a bunch of thugs. I think that has rubbed some of the fan base the wrong way as well. We’re not saying kids shouldn’t be disciplined; we’re just saying there are better ways to handle it. BUT, Edsall is the head coach; this is his regime; he can do what he wants. And besides, there’s not a poster on here that really knows what’s happening behind closed doors. We can read Twitter, Facebook, etc.; unless we’re actually part of the team, we have no clue.
by CarolinaTerp on Nov 27, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
It's telling, IMO,
that calls to fire Edsall began after the disappointing loss to Temple.
As we all know, every team goes through periods/games when they play exceptionall well, and games when they play poorly. It’s the nature of the beast.
When we beat Miami, fans made the assumtion that we were a great team. We were not. We played over our heads to a certain extent; we played a team riddled by suspensions; we played in front of a rabid home crowd and a national television audience; in our brand-new, much-anticipated, unique/trendy uniforms. We also sustained some critical injuries.
Against Temple, we played closer to the level at which we played for much of the season. That, as it turns out, was a truer picture of the Maryland football team.
We played well against a tough WVU team, and almost pulled it out; poorly against Towson, but won. We played well for much of the Clemson and GT games, but were just overmatched, and too thin as a result of injuries.
We happened to play our worst games against the worst competition this year, and our best games against the best competition. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It means someone – either the coaching staff or the players themselves – motivated the players to play well in the most meaningful games, and failed to do so against the lesser opponents. Is some of that Edsall’s fault? I think there’s plenty of blame to go around. I also think the odds are in our favor to show fairly significant improvement next year.
What infuriates me the most
was Edsall and his OC’s completely obstinate attitude concerning his offense and DO’B’s abilities. You walk into a situation with the reigning ACC offensive ROY. Why in the world would you make wholsesale changes to a offensive set that goes away from the strengths of your QB?
Yes, I understand the need to implement your own system, but this was a kid who helped win 9 games his first year as a starter. And you gave him an offensive set that won 2 before he broke his arm. And I’m supposed to believe Edsall’s coaching and coaches aren’t to blame?
At some point, you coach the players who have, not the ones you hope to have. To burn the playbook that won 9 games last year and install a system that completely de-emphasizes the abilities of your award-winning QB was insane. To then say you didn’t do a very good job of lowering expectations on your QB is just plain wrong and cowardly.
Randy Edsall has to go.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
He has to succeed or fail
doing what he believes is best for the long-term best interest of the team.
Let’s say he brings in a pro-style OC to suit Danny, knowing he will change somewhere along the line. Does he recruit pro-style players, or players to suit what he believes is best for the team? Exactly when will that transition take place? Somewhere along the line he’s going to have players ill-suited to his offense. Might as well do it up front.
That certainly doesn't help, but I think most people dislike Edsall because he's 2-10.
When we did the Edsall approval poll, the first week was something like 90%. And it was like 95% after beating Miami.
I don't think we expected too much at all
The list of major contributors who left from last year: Da’Rel Scott, Torrey Smith, Adrian Cannon, Paul Pinegar, Phil Costa, Alex Wujciak, Antwine Perez, and Adrian Moten. Scott was hardly a big loss because Meggett was right behind him. So we lost 7 (of 22) major players. Meanwhile, we returned a QB many considered the best in the conference, both starting cornerbacks, one of the best two or three safeties in the country, and the majority of our offensive line. The cupboard was hardly empty.
The injuries and suspensions were a bit unlucky, but a) every team deals with that to some extent, and b) it would hardly hurt as much if a quarter of the team didn’t leave in the offseason. For everyone yelling about “we’re starting true freshmen at safety and linebacker”, yeah we are, but we wouldn’t have been if Edsall didn’t run off Ryan Donohue, Ben Pooler, and Travis Hawkins.
As for the scheme changes, that’s on Edsall. He isn’t a “scheme coach.” He’s never had a “scheme.” See, if Leach did it, then I’d understand, because an Air Raid is the only way he knows how to operate. Edsall was ground-and-pound when he needed to be ground-and-pound, and he aired it out when he had Orlovsky. He doesn’t have a “scheme.” He basically came in, saw a pro-style base, and said “Hey, I think it’ be a great idea if we tried to turn into Oregon.” It makes no sense whatsoever, and there’s no reason he had to make the change to go balls-out spread right now, instead of transitioning.
I don’t think we were wrong. If we were 7-5, everyone would be fine. We’re mad because we’re 2-10.
Two 2 win seasons in a span of three years
Awesome. Atleast we have a bangin field hockey program
by T Free on Nov 26, 2011 4:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Atleast we have a bangin field hockey program
I’m too old now to look at ’em that way (outside of 1/2 + 7), but they do play awfully well.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 26, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
today's game
Did anyone actually think we were going to win this game, even with a 27 point lead? I was watching the game with another long time Md. fan and I wanted to bet him evem money that Md. would lose this game and he would not bet me. This team has to have tthe worst defensive coorinator in the country and it is not even close. The OC is not much better, have they ever heard of running some clock? Poorly coached teams execute poorly, don’t really give a damn if they win or lose and just plain look lost and uninterested. I am all for Edsall being able to do the job, I just wish he would have made some better choices for his staff
I made money on NCST today
Amazing that they covered the spread, despite spotting us 41 pts.
by Terps12 on Nov 26, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
What's amazing...
is you got 2 knuckleheads to recomend your disloyal post.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 26, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering I dropped
a couple hundred on attending Maryland football games this year and another couple hundred travelling to said games, I decided to start recovering my costs. We didn’t cover the spread in something like five of our last six games. I made all my money back.
Go fly your...
Ga Tech flag. I’ve followed Maryland athletics since 1972 and don’t consider a minute, a dime or a drop of blood I’ve spent for my alma mater to have been poorly spent.
You on the other hand think you need a financial return on your loyalty. Go away.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 26, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Just because its your alma mater doesn't mean it isn't mine too
I’ve spent my fair share of money at the University of Maryland and don’t consider it poorly spent. If I win a bet and spend it on MD sports, how does that make me any less loyal?
Get off your high horse.
You're the one who's bragging about...
making money off of our poor season. You’re the one who is betting against your own team. So, I guess a small part of you is hoping we’ll lose?
Get some class, and then come back.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 26, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nah I root for the Terps with my heart
I make money with my brain.
lots of games you can make money on.
shouldn’t bet against family, god, team, country or friends. loyalty and love…those are the important things.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not only directed at you, Chuck
But “who’s the better fan” debates have no place on the site and won’t be consistently tolerated in the future.
by Ben Broman on Nov 26, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Good...
I can respond to a post that’s been recommended five times.
When someone bets against the Terps, he ISN’T a Terps fan. It’s not a matter of who is the better Terp fan, it is who ACTUALLY is the Terps fan.
And I have no qualms with pointing this out.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously??
Aren’t you the guy that posted a fanshot about hitting up PSU recruits not even a week after the PSU scandal hit? And you’re going to throw the “get some class” label on someone else?
yeah...
…i definately attack pedophiles and institutions that protect them. sorry.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
i didn't say anything about class...it's about love and loyalty.
class is over-rated.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Clemson covered despite spotting us 45
So not so amazing against this defense
All im gonna say then im done with football
We started with what we thought was a season defining game vs Miami and ended with a truly season defining game vs NCSU. #FireEdsall
If all the players come out, say they had no accountability at all and that its all Edsall's fault,
then ill want to fire Edsall too.
by Maryland1206 on Nov 26, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
i say it not bc i think its actually going to happen
but bc i think its the right move
not fully behind
i was in a wait and see mode. i have waited and i have seen and i have seen quite enough
#FireEdsall = #ThrowAwayMoreDeadMoney ?
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by John Stephens on Nov 26, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
We may actually be better off...
… firing Edsall, eating his contract, and paying some random high school coach $100,000 to come coach for a year.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 26, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I promise I'm not trying to be rude
But I can’t wait for all of the haters to eat their words in these subsequent years. Don’t get me wrong, if I end up being incorrect (and God knows I am most of the time), I will own up to it. But I’ll be damned if this time next year we are doing better and I see a bunch of people saying “see, I was behind Edsall all the way.” No, there are about 5 people on this site that I’ve seen stick behind our program. Yall better own up to it later on.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
No they won't...
First of all, anything would be better than this year’s debacle.
Second, everyone on this board is rooting for the program succeed. But hardly anyone one is rooting for Edsall. Mostly because he has a horrible personality and has shown them nothing that would lead them to believe he can. At this point, most people will be entertained by watching him fail.
If he manages to get back to .500, which he most likely won’t, people will be pleased the program isn’t a national embarrassment but the idea of a Rockin Randy bandwagon ever gaining steam is laughable.
I would be happy to eat my Edsall hate but I hate so much because I know with 99% assurance I will never have to.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 26, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's where you lose me
You say “everyone on this board is rooting for the program to succeed.” But then you say, “But hardly anyone is rooting for Edsall.” I’m not sure what people think, but they go hand in hand, at the very least in the short term. A vote for the program is a vote for Edsall. A vote against Edsall is a vote against the program. I’m not sure there is any other way to put it right now. Edsall isn’t going anywhere, he’s our coach for better or worse for the next 3 years. So saying you hope he fails is saying you hope we lose, which means you aren’t really a fan at all. Just sayin’
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Thats where you lose me...
The program is bigger than any one person. And just because he wears a MD hoodie he doesn’t deserve our blind loyalty.
We are in a really bad way and need to win to make money but I am not a fan of Edsall and I don’t think he will ever succeed. I think a vote for him is a vote for having to cut 4 other sports programs in 3 years. A vote for to be fired is a vote for the realization we have made a huge mistake we need to move on from as soon as possible.
Or we can just drinking the kool aid and wait for that #11 ranked ACC recruiting class to turn us around next year with DOB at another school, Tate out of position at linebacker, and two of the worst coordinators in the league.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 26, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't saying
You have to love the guy. But if you root against Edsall, then you root against the program. I didn’t say if you don’t invite the guy to your next BBQ then you hate football. But we don’t win without Edsall, and we can lose because of Edsall. So I’m not saying he deserves your blind loyalty, but don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not actively rooting for our program to fail...
I’m just one of the thousands of fans that have come to the realization edsall will most likely fail to
succeed to meet the aspirations this program has developed.
The longer he is coach the more damage is done will be done. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not. Well see. But I don’t have to justify my fandom by becoming a lemming following this guy over the cliff.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 26, 2011 11:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not saying you're not a fan
All I’m saying is you shouldn’t root for Edsall to fail as you stated above. Maybe it was a typo or you miss-spoke, but either way it’s not good. Don’t root against Edsall just because you think the quicker he fails the quicker we move on, that’s the most ass backwards thinking I can imagine.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Terpy,
You say you want the football program to succeed, but you’re hoping Edsall will fail. The only way those desires are NOT mutually exclusive is if Edsall is fired. You are also a proponent of that, as you have stated.
You also said you believe that keeping Edsall equates to a death wish for “four other sports programs in three years.”
The problem is: firing him also equates to a death wish for “four other sports programs in three years.”
We still have to pay the guy, AND a new coach. Most likely that new coach will want different assitant coaches, and many of the old ones will need to continue to be paid. That money has to come from somewhere.
If you really want to keep those other sports programs, your ONLY option is hope like hell you’re proven wrong.
Then I guess either way we are doomed...
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 27, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
You can choose to take that approach and be miserable,
or you can choose to remain as positive as possible, and believe we’ll be better next year. Stranger things have happened.
or I can what for monkeys to fly out of my butt...
Shah, right!
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 27, 2011 2:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
sadly, Fridge had a worse personality than RE
but he won early and was an alum…he earned some slack…but he had disdain for the media game – he’d even admit to that.
If posters want to bash RE, fine. I’m first to say RE needs to do better PR. Fridge needed double the good PR cuz he was horrible at the “game”
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by bball purist on Nov 26, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I feel somewhat optomistic
Even though I’ll get crushed for this post, the players we had left (4th string fill-ins because of all our injuries) seemed to buy into “the system” and it worked for 3 quarters. If we can get some more depth and some more experience, I bet we win those games.
8 wins next year(including Bowl)
our entire defense(except Chism and hughes but they wont be terribly missed) is back next year.
by Maryland1206 on Nov 26, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
7 wins is the ceiling and 3 wins is the floor.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fire Brafor and get a decent Def Coord to replace him (Shannon, fingers x'd)
And our Defense will become one of the better D’s in the ACC next year.
Our offense worries me: Crwtn will more than likely return (too expensive to buy out his contract), we’ll have a QB controversy from Day 1, we lose Meggett (Pickett is hit or miss, mostly miss), DJ will likely transfer (wouldn’t you), and our receivers remain so-so, so we can hope we recruit SOMEONE with speed and the ability to run a route / catch a ball consistently.
Special teams ain’t much better.
I’m calling it now: 5-7 record next season. Edsall will label this “improvement, proving the team is buying into his system”
Completely and whole-heartedly agree.
Excuses. Excuses. That’s al it seems Edsall is good at.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what if excuses
Actually play out to be reasons next season. Then what?
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you sort of
Bradford needs to go or be demoted. Hire a better DC, we’ve already named names.
As for the offense, I don’t have a HUGE problem with Crowton yet. There was enough blame on offense to go around for everyone. It’s hard to judge Crowton until these players start catching and all that like they should. But if we get the talent in here and it’s still like this then he obviously has to go.
Lyndon Johnson needs to go more than anyone. Hopefully we can replace him with a recruiter.
I see 6-6 or 7-5 next season, but I’m a glass half full kind of guy.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
funny ..
..that 6-6 or 7-5 is now “glass half full” when we were 9-4 before he got here.
The formula is simple – he’s destroyed the program so that he can rebuild it. That’s what he knows from UConn and from Jacksonville: starting from scratch. The problem is, Maryland was not a startup program. I hope that you blind followers don’t praise him too much when he does get back to .500 in 2, 3 or 4 years.
You clearly aren't reading what I'm saying.
So I’ll say it again. 6-7 wins next year. 8-9 wins the year after. 10 wins and up the following years. Sure after we get to 10 wins we will have an 8 win season sometimes, but I don’t believe that will be the norm. Anything other than that will be unacceptable. But yes, I would be happy moving in the right direction and going 6-6 next year. However I’m not saying if we go 6-6 in year 3 then that will be acceptable. Please make sure you know what I’m saying when you comment on it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
Please make sure you know what I’m saying when you comment on it. I said that it’s funny to me that an admittedly optimistic view for next year is now 6 or 7 wins, when just last year we won 9 and everyone thought we’d be at least that good this year.
You said your “glass half full” prediction was 6 or 7 wins last year. I said I thought that was funny considering where we came from. Did I miss something? Don’t be so defensive.
You said
“I hope you blind followers don’t praise him too much when he does get back to .500 in 2,3, or 4 years.” While I was very clearly saying that only next year would .500 be acceptable. I apologize if I’m being defensive, I just feel like I’ve had to repeat myself a ton over the past couple days and it gets frustrating.
And I’ll be the first to admit that looking back on everything, that my expectations for this season were unrealistic. I’m not saying that as an Edsall supporter, I’m saying it as a teacher and student of football.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball wont be too much fun this year either, except the recruiting
by Maryland1206 on Nov 26, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
as someone said in the gamethread
we could win 10 games in bball and it would be more fun than this season
yea...now we're talkin'
so the big mystery of the season other than who put the oil on Parker’s fingertips might be where will this team be when Olexiy and Peshon get back?…the coffee croud will play conservative lines pointing out Peshon was actually a back up recruit and Len does not have the experience
Peshon does have potential to elevate his game and he has court vision and Olexiy will be fun to watch play…the highest we can realistically hope for would be finsihing third place in the ACC behind Duke and Carolina. I think once we get Len and Peshon back that is exactly what this team will achieve.
That was me. And sadly I intended no hyperbole.
by Jason Middlekauff on Nov 26, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
So
Getting annhilated against UNC, Duke, etc is going to be more fun to you? Don’t think for a second we won’t lose by 172 to both of those teams.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
are you a terp?
A blind supporter of the dreadful football coach and program- and at the same time you’re bashing the bball program and trying to knock the team for this year?
You have it backwards- no one gives a F about our sh*t football team- and people will always have hope for hoops. I can’t wait to see us play every ACC game (especially Dook and UNC) and watch this team develop, even if we take some bad losses along the way.
I'm the rare Maryland fan
That actually likes football more than basketball. Don’t get me wrong, I do love our basketball teams and show up and lose my voice as much as I’m able to at Comcast. But something inside me makes football the sport for me, not basketball.
And I’m not trying to bash the basketball program. But they do frustrate the hell out of me, and it frustrates the hell out of me that the same blind loyalty you say I have for our football program that most people are showing for the basketball program. This season is shaping up to be every bit as bad for our basketball team as it was for our football team.
I’m frustrated because people love Stoglin, even though he will be the reason we will lose multiple games this season. And when we give him a pass for it, it doesn’t help anything. As good as a scorer as he may be from time to time, he’s selfish. It’s like Greivis said this offseason when he and his NBA brethren came to CP over the offseason to run some pickup games. He said something to the effect of no one, not even the NBA players, could guard Stoglin and he’d always put up the most points, but his team would never win. It’s going to be the same this season. Did anyone ever think that maybe part of the reason that Parker looks terrible offensively, Mosley seems hesitant, Faust isn’t progressing, and our big men don’t get opportunities down low is because Stoglin is to damn selfish to maybe help the team before himself? He’s a freaking PG that had ZERO assists against Florida Gulf Coast. I can’t even begin to say how bad that is.
So I don’t put it on Turgeon because you can’t always change your players to your system. But doesn’t that kind of sound a little like what has happened with the football team this year? That you can’t always take someone else’s players and fit them immediately into your system? Does that mean that either Turgeon or Edsall should have to change their style of play? I don’t think so.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer UMD hoops,
yet I still believe the football team will begin showing improvement next year. I believe Edsall is Edsall, and no matter how much we want him to change, he probably won’t (significantly). He has chosen to run things his way. If he’s going to fail, he’ll fail doing it his way – the way he believes is best not, the way some – or even much – of the fanbase wants them done.
I believe Turge inherited a worse situation which was made even more difficult when Pe’ got hurt. Stogs is not a PG, and will probably never be a PG. That’s why I don’t see him going pro early. How many 6-foot shooting guards can you name in the NBA? Stogs is the player he is, and Turge needs to find a way to maximize his talents without negatively impacting the team. That’s a tall task, made even more difficult with him playing out of position.
To summarize, Edsall needs time to succeed; for financial reasons, and simply because it would do more harm than good in the long run to get rid of him now. Turge gets the same leeway.
What, exactly, are the reasons for your optimism concerning FB next year?
I’m curious. DOB may be as good as gone. Edsall’s first recruiting class is inadequate. The DC is incompetent but the OC is incompetent AND we can’t afford to fire him.
Why are you optimistic?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Here's why:
1) I think DOB will be back. Either way, that’s speculation. If he’s not back, CJ is capable enough given the PT he got this year, and an off-season in which he’ll get infinitely more reps (assuming DOB leaves).
2) We played much of the year with a freshman-dominated defense. They’ll be very experienced sophomores next year.
3) The injuries were astronomical this year. Odds are they won’t be as bad next year.
4) Now that the players know what to expect from Edsall, I doubt there will be nearly as many suspensions next season.
5) The receivers will have a(nother) year under their belt, and will (hopefully) not be dealing with two different QBs. Dropped passes will be less of a concern. The dropped passes were deadly this year, but timing is thrown off when you change QBs. And for the freshmen, it takes time to establish that timing.
6) Except for Gonnella, who was hurt much of the year, the offensive line will remain pretty much intact.
7) I know some are predicting a lot of players will leave the program. Assuming they don’t by the first of the year, I don’t see a mass exodus. Time has a way of healing wounds.
Frankly, my biggest concern is at RB. I’m not sold that Pickett is ready to start. Time will tell.
I hope we have a great recruiting class this year, for the sake of long-term success. But any contributions they make next year will just be icing on the cake.
Mark Turgeon is rebuilding the program through recruiting
I see no evidence of Edsall doing this. Turgeon is actively trying to land big name recruits.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jury is still out on Edsall's recruiting.
There is at least still a chance he brings in a good class. Of course, i can understand why people are not hopeful that this will happen.
Turge started strong with recruiting and could finish really strong. But there is no guarantee yet one way or the other.
Some posters have a point that Turge and Edsall aren’t too far off in what they’ve done so far, but definitely advantage to Turge. Of course, Turge comes across as a pretty cool/good guy and Edsall comes across as a bit of a dusche. So I can also understand why people LIKE turge more.
If you are going to call him a "dusche"
at least spell it correctly.
I still don't see why everyone says
Turgeon has been so much better of a recruiter to this point. His best recruit was pretty much a done deal before he walked on campus. As soon as he kept Bino it was over. Turgeon’s staff is head and shoulders better recruiting wise than Edsall’s. Now if Edsall does nothing over the next two years to get better recruiters on his staff in here then I’d agree. Or if Turge locks up Britt or the Harrisons. But until then I’m not going to say Turgeon is that great of a recruiter.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 26, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
For several reasons
I’ll go through them with you.
- First of all, you say “his best recruit was pretty much a done deal before he walked on campus.” The interesting thing that no one talks about is that that’s also true of Darius Jennings, who would’ve come to MD had Fridge or Frank stayed around. One of them was able to make the connection stick. One of them wasn’t. I understand the role Bino played in there, but Arizona and Marquette were down Cleare’s throat as soon as Gary retired. Let’s not make it seem like he did no work there.
- Turgeon built his staff with recruiting in mind. Edsall didn’t. Edsall could change, and I hope he does, but Edsall’s recruiting staff is horrid and I’m not sure why he thought it would be successful, whereas I’d put Turgeon’s up against any staff in the country. And it wasn’t for lack of money on Edsall’s part: Crowton is making at least $500k and I believe actually more than that (too tired to look up the numbers right now).
- Turgeon won a battle for Jake Layman against Louisville, Syracuse, and Texas, and they really wanted him. Edsall hasn’t done a thing like that yet.
If Edsall wins Noah Spence, which is basically the only big fish we have left, then that changes the narrative some, the same way a win over N.C. State would’ve. If he doesn’t, make no mistake: this was a terrible opening class.
by Ben Broman on Nov 27, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the other points,
but for your first point you could just as easily throw in J. Anderson as someone Turgeon failed to lock up. A lot of people say there was no changing JA’s mind at the point where Gary retired, but couldn’t that be true for Jennings as well? (That’s a serious question, I don’t know who he is or anything about his recruitment.)
by TheDalyShow on Nov 27, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Turge DID sucure Faust,
after he de-committed, and he did it quickly, before other schools had a chance to gain a foot hold.
Re: JA, he considered UVA before he selected UMD. We don’t know how close that decision was. It could easily have been playing for a future HOF coach made all the difference for JA. When that was gone, so was he.
Bino
Secured Faust. If we didn’t retain Bino, which took forever to happen, Faust would’ve been gone.
Likewise, Justin Anderson left after we hired Dalonte Hill because Stu Vetter and his dad don’t like Dalonte.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Turge was also involved.
He called/pleaded with Faust’s mother. Even Faust’s mother said that turned the tide for her.
I'm not saying he wasn't.
Like I said earlier, I’m not rooting against our basketball team and I’m definitely not rooting against Turge. I think he will be great. I’m just illustrating that you can make the same arguments for and against our basketball program as you can for our football program.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
My point is that Turge
deserves some credit for Faust, and some credit for Shaq. Retaining Bino was a great move, and he deserves some credit for that, too.
Some are saying – or certainly implying – that Faust and Shaq are Gary’s recruits, and that Turge deserves no (or very little) credit for them being Terps. And while Gary did play a role, there’s no guarantee either would be here without Turge’s involvement (or the involvement of a member of his staff, that he is responsible for assembling).
Thing is, we got a superior replacement to Anderson
In the form of Layman, who is ranked higher on 2 of the 3 services and, if you throw in 247 and Borzello, 4 of 5. So I’m not freaking out about that one bit. For all we know, Turgeon didn’t go after him hard for the same reason he didn’t go after Bruenig and Gibbs: he thought he could do better. And did.
Edsall didn’t get anyone near as good as Darius Jennings.
Part of me
thinks that Turgeon did in fact go after JA, but we can never know for sure. I base that off the comment he made about one recruit not giving him the opportunity to re-recruit him. Maybe he was referring to someone else.
I actually agree that, at least at this point, Turgeon is a better recruiter than Edsall (or more importantly, has a better recruiting staff). I’m just not a fan of the argument saying, “Edsall lost a big-time recruit that was leaning UMD.” This gets into why I dislike it when people bash JA. Hate him like any other player in the ACC, but don’t hate him because he wanted to play for a different coach after Williams left. The person coaching at a particular school would play a HUGE role in my recruitment. A change in coach is a big deal.
Anyway, Turgeon did replace JA with a better prospect. I’ll be honest though, I’m not sold on Layman like I am Cleare. Actually, I kind of thought you felt the same way, Ben…?
I felt that way throughout most of the summer
But he consistently has risen in the rankings and had some pretty big offers, which is making me rethink that. I’m starting to come around to the idea of having a skilled, long, 6-8 3 who can shoot.
Layman knows he needs to bulk-up a little.
He said he wants to weigh 215 by the start of next season. 25lbs is a lot to add in a year. Frankly, I’d be happy if he came in @ 200.
TheDalyShow
Helped make my point for me. I never ever heard that Jennings was in the bag for us even a little bit. Obviously you heard something different, so we’ll just leave it at that. Then like TheDalyShow said, Justin Anderson can just as easily be the comparison for Jennings. Justin Anderson couldn’t have been more excited to be a Terp, and decommitted within two weeks of Turgeon’s hiring I believe. I’m not going to say it’s all Turgeon’s fault, be he still lost him.
Also what you fail to mention is that Jennings had to decide I believe within a month of Edsall’s hiring what to do because he was a part of that immediate recruiting class. Turgeon was given the time to re-recruit Shaq if that’s the way you want to put it. There’s a big difference in the amount of time you get to build a relationship there.
Also, those are excellent programs we had to fight for Layman. But we don’t know the whole picture. The only team I know of that REALLY seemed to want him was Louisville, which Pitino is a great recruiter. For all we know, and like I said before I’m sure you heard differently than I did since you are more plugged into it, those Texas and Syracuse offers could’ve been noncommittal. They could’ve said, we want you, but we have to see if another guy wants us first. And also don’t overlook that while Layman has been rising up recrutiing boards, he’s still listed as a 3 star on some sites like Rivals, who I believe to be a better recruiting service than the likes of ESPN.
And seriously, I hate that it seems that I’m having to turn on our basketball team to prove my point. I’m just as optimistic about the future of our basketball team as anyone else here, I really like what Turgeon is doing and they are putting in work over at Comcast. But all I’m trying to illustrate is you can make the same exact arguments for and against our basketball team as you can about our football team.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Turge was working hard on Shaq before he took the UMD job.
Shaq said he was disappointed when Gary left, but when Turge got the job, it was like he was destined to be a Terp. Had Brey, for instance, gotten the UMD job, it’s possible Shaq would be coming here. Because Turge is here, Shaq coming to UMD.
Shaq came
Because of Bino. Had Shaq been sold on Turgeon as much as you portray, then Shaq still would’ve committed immediately.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Rivals is actually the worst of the three for basketball
ESPN has the most respected name in the business w/ Dave Telep, and Scout has his protege Evan Daniels. Rivals has Jerry Meyer and basically no one else, and they don’t even see every tournament.
As for JA, I already responded above. I’m not upset about Edsall not landing Jennings, because there were things working against him (time, as you said), but he was still a heavy MD lean at the time. But Turgeon did better than Anderson with Layman (who, again, is ranked higher by basically everyone), and Edsall hasn’t done near as well in replacing Anderson.
Those that want to give up their seats for next year
I’ll take them for next year and every year thereafter. With what BIG RALPH left on the shelf, the loss of three offensive skill players playing in the NFL that weren’t replaced, the loss of three recruits, the loss of practice time, the problems that many others had with keeping their grades up and remaining eligible, defections, and injuries we actually won two more games that we could have easily lost. Before you go throwing a new Head Coach under the bus, consider what he had to play with. If in two years from now things haven’t drastically changed then I will jump on that bandwagon as well.
Excuses...
Throwing him under the bus? He was 2-10. He deserves everything he gets. Wins are what he will be judged by no matter what justifiable excuses he has.
And really, I don’t think MD football will ever win enough to make money with those new suites in place. The program is a sinkhole and you can knock people for not throwing their money away.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 26, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ben, regarding your posting, I didn't see the defense let up until the outcome was decided.
Admittedly, they looked mentally and physically spent but they still were trying to get to Glennon and stop the run until the series when CJ was intercepted on the rollout..
Yea our defense really stepped up most of the game
Offense let them down in the 2nd half.
by Maryland1206 on Nov 26, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
NCS ran 100 plays!!!!
The defense was destined to be gassed. That’s directly attributable to the lack of offense.
It's obvious Mark Turgeon is building something.
It’s obvious Mike London was building something at UVA. What the hell is Randy Edsall doing. Top 25 Recruiting class? Hell No. Alienating his players? Yes. Lack of accountability for his crappy coaching? No. Alienating the fanbase and Alumni? Hell yes. He is burning this program to bits. I clearly see no evidence of this guy building anything either through recruiting, boosters, or on the field.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 5:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In my nearly 30 years of being a Maryland fan, I have seen the Terps
- blow a 20 pt lead to Duke in the Final Four
- give Duke 10 pts in the last minute to send it to overtime and eventually lose the game
- blow a 4th double digit 4th quarter lead to Wake
- Lose to Middle Tennessee State — TWICE!
- Lose to Northern Illinois
- Lose to Duke by over 40 pts.
- And countless other similar examples
And I have never been as embarrassed as today. NEVER.
I know that we’re stuck with Edsall for a while due to the contracts and our inability to simply buy him out. I appreciate everything this team had to deal with this year that got them to this point, especially injuries. Heck, I even agree that Edsall deserves the chance to prove himself with his own recruits running his system. But for the love of God, SOMEONE involved in the higher ups at Maryland needs to be bold enough to publicly state that this is NOT acceptable. The first sign of this should be the release of some of the assistant coaches (those we can afford to release, that is. Another brilliant contract move by KA there, preventing us from having the money to get rid of those who really need to go. Cough cough Crwtn cough…).
by BulletTerp on Nov 26, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Going as far to say that a loss
that made us a 2 win team and a 3 win team in football, and losing to Duke in the final four, up 20+ in the second half, to compete for the championship, may be the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this board. Get a good nights rest and look at that statement in the morning and see if you still believe it…. This season was over with LONNG ago. Let it go.
get a good night's rest
And then read his post again. He compared only the resulting embarassment from the two games. It seems very reasonable to think that today’s game was more embarassing than blowing a smaller lead to a great team in a game with historically bad officiating.
by bshock on Nov 26, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
20+ pt swings in bball happen quite often
Especially against a good team like Duke that suddenly gets hot. I’ll grant you, the significance of that loss makes the bitterness pretty hard to swallow as well.
But THIS trip up was HISTORIC. The biggest comeback NC State EVER had, the second biggest in ACC history. To a team that will now finish in 4th place in their division.
Was I embarrassed when we lost to Duke in the Final Four by blowing a 20 pt lead? Certainly (BTW, it was an 11 pt Terp lead at halftime; our biggest lead (22 pts) was with 8 minutes left in the first half). But I was also proud the Terps got that far, and understanding as they lost to a very good team. Disappointed was my bigger emotion at the time, and it still is.
THIS? This was just embarrassing at a whole new level. Like I said on the game thread: the cherry on a totally embarrassing shit-pie of a season. I completely understand this season was lost a looong time ago, doesn’t mean I can’t feel sick that we found a way to make it even worse.
But thanks anyway for trying to tell me what my feelings should be. I’ll stick with that feeling for a while, if its OK with you, even after a few hours to cool off, or a good night’s sleep.
I still hate Battier...
He got a few calls that were questionable…and clearly swung the momentum… TMo got the real short end….since all the other players came back next season for the big finish…
I love you Bullet
but this was far from the most embarrassing things i’ve seen. I wasn’t even mad, it was as if it was inevitable. I was never jumping for joy during this game thinking we had it. We’ll be ok. I really believe that we will be ok. Nothing was worse than the final four loss and right behind that the gone and 54 seconds game.
I'm pretty sure Special K could have coached this team to at least 3 wins
If Edsall goes 2-10 next year, he is gone.
Edsall's lone chance
Fire his OC and DC as soon as the season is over, be contrite in apology to the players, alumni and student body, and re-invent himself as if he were Alexander Graham F’ing Bell!
The players never stopped running and hustling, but, quite honestly, it was clear that they had no real idea of where to run. That means bad positional and scheme coaching. People forget that when Fridge came on board, he brought top notch coordinators that turned around the program immediately. As they left, so began the inconsistency.
In this instance, it’s clear that KA didn’t listen to any advice from actual former players (Plank), nor to the national coaching buzz; i.e., who were the hot commodities being talked about for promotion. He forced the issue and now he has saddled our great university with…an edsel.
I'd prefer him for our D Coord
I believe the mess he left at Miami means he’s carrying too much baggage to be considered for a HC position for a while anyway, and is looking for a place to rebuild his reputation.
What did I say about
Mychal Parker touching the ball?
Oh, wait, this is football. Go on.
We're winning 41-14, so I go outside to rake leaves
I was blowing the leaves out of my gutter, fell off the ladder, hung upside down for 5 minutes, had to go to the ER for surgery and stitches, and just got home to find out we lost by 15. I’m not sure who crashed the worst, me or the terrible Terps?
Still cannot believe it. And my neighbor’s an NC St. fan. UGH!!
by Snappin Terp on Nov 26, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Really bad day for you.
But getting stitches may have been less painful than watching the rest of the game.
Next year will be better,
the team really fought their hearts out today…but are just too young/small and without depth to withstand 4 full quarters of football. Frank (24-42 in his 1st 7 years) Beamer beat hot-shot London 38-0 at uva today. How do you lose at home 38-0 with a winning team for a shot to the championship game? By being a not-ready for prime time, outcoached,quick-fix, not having your team prepared, choker. V tech won’t even sniff a natty, what does that make Uv-gay.
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so...
A team that outclassed us got outclassed by a team that “won’t even sniff a natty” (and starts 7 sophs on defense, btw), and this is supposed to be a positive?
by UtzTheCrabChip on Nov 26, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Recruiting
Again, the season WAS terrible, but its hard to have hope for the future without showing us anything in the recruiting game as well. I’m still open to seeing what happens in the next 2 years, but what happened this year was abysmal. Edsall set the bar so low it may be 6 feet under.
just talked with Friedgen he's pretty upset...and yet words of patience within the storm ...
He speaks to us now as the fat Buddha sage.." sometimes thou grass niether always greener on thy other side thine pigskin…let us now commence to eating BBQ and remember thine golden years when the fat man ride ithe high on thy throne…and their were hotdogs and thy bowl games and much merriment easing ye maidens sorrow…may a new day come and may the crucibles fire purge all inequity… let the luau begin… bring on thou bbq thine dogdiggity fetch thine kool-aid big muggy thou luau has begun and thine legacy bears peacful shores for the multitudes the townspeople besieged by the plaque
I'll have a shot
of whatever you’re drinking… If there’s any left.
+1
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And thus raylew makes his most agreeable post ever
by Ben Broman on Nov 27, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fickell
I actually really liked what he did with Ohio State this year. Think he is a good coach. I think it will be really interesting to see what happens with Edsall and the entire Football program during the off season. Changes have to be made IMO. Maybe not firing Edsall, but Bradford has to go, and issues have to be acknowledged
Urban Meyer accepts at OSU...
Fickell otherwise available? Oh to have the pockets and testicular fortitude to buyout Edsall
nice try..
4 of 5 o-linemen are seniors. the tight end is a senior. D-line rs-soph(3 yr player)/ rs senior (5 year player), rs junior (4 year player). linebackers rs junior (4 year player), 2 rs sophs (3 year players) and one sophmore. the backbone of virginia tech is bone-crushing MEN that have been allowed to bulk-up and mature. Skill positions can be freshman-sophmores all day long.
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I agree with TerpsAllTheWay
Probably between 3-7 wins next year.
This is a team that’s been adjusting to a completely new way of doing everything, on and off the field. I expect it to take some time. I do think they’ll be better in the long term but it certainly is painful in the short term.
With all the injuries they’ve had this year, the defense has been lucky to be in games at all. They not only have little experience (many freshman) and are smaller (in part due to them being younger), but the injuries have hurt the team’s depth. That showed today; as the game went on and the offense couldn’t do anything, the defense got run over. Losing two of the four captains this year didn’t help.
I’m not exactly sure what people think the coaches should do regarding the receivers and all of the passes they’ve dropped. If they don’t execute, they don’t execute.
They made some bad penalties today, but for most of the season they have been much better than they were last year. I know some of yall think the team “gave up” a lot, but I don’t see it. They keep fighting hard. The fact that they’ve been exhausted at times doesn’t mean that they gave up.
I tend to think a lot of folks had unrealistic expectations going into this year. The 9-4 record was not as good as it sounds. Squeaking by mediocre teams or getting statistically crushed and yet still coming out with a win involves a fair bit of luck.
He’s far from perfect, but I’m not giving up on Edsall. I’m not as sure about the coordinators. Randy Shannon for DC (as BulletTerp suggested) is a good idea.
Win or lose, I cheer for my Terps.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS
well said
i am with you on this but the 3-7 range is pretty broad. I expect 6-7 next year and a low-end bowl. Year 3 is the big one and will display if his program is taking and if we are making any movement with recruiting a new talent.
Go Terps!
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 27, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Glad to see most everyone has come around.
Everyone is flawed, but Edsall’s biggest flaw is that he won’t admit his own.
He will not apologize to the players, the fans, the students, nor anyone else.
He will not fire anyone because to do so means he has to admit he made a mistake.
He will not apologize to Tate for playing him out of position and risking his health and NFL career.
He will not apologize to DOB for playing an offense that does not suit him nor for making a comment suggesting he should have managed expectations better. What a comment – “Don’t feel bad if you suck. It’s only partly your fault.” is the message he sends.
This guy has no place in the ACC or any other major conference. His hardline crap works in lesser conferences where flying the straight and narrow might actually help, but sometimes the only thing that differentiates you from your competitors is the BELIEF that you are better. How do you think we beat Duke more than our fair share? “They think they are better than you!” is what Gary would tell our team.
Sadly, we must endure at least one more year of this and perhaps two. We don’t have the money to rectify this, and I doubt KA will admit he made a mistake. He will let Randy hang himself so the focus is removed from him and everyone can say what a great guy KA is for getting rid of Randy.
There are so many good coaches out there. My great fear is that none of them will touch us once Randy has FUBARred us.
Fear the Turgle!
by NY Terp on Nov 26, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
To every point you made. To add insult to injury. To you Edsall sympathizers; what proof do you guys have that the program is headed in the right direction? A top 25 recruiting class? No? Is he hitting the recruiting trail like Mike London did two years ago? No? Truth is he may have burned down a program to possibly somewhere in the late 90s. With Ralph’s 2-10 season you saw our offense and defense shine at times and the playcalling was never this dumbfoundingly stupid; what was clear that year was lack of talent. Do you guys think Bradford will be as good as Don Brown was his 2nd year? The refusal to accept that offensive and defensive playcalling is terrible will be Edsall’s downfall.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the only hopw I have is
at least we were NEVER shut out 38—-ZEERRROOO like mike london was today. The flashy stuff doesn’t work in cp either.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Riiiight
We just gave up the 2nd biggest come back in conference history.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, a 38--7 shellacking at the hands of Temple was so much better
Dude, you’ve resorted to knocking an 8 win UVA team now that actually got to play a meaningful game this season.
38-0
at home, with a hot-shot coach who can recruit .in his second year, with no major defections/academic suspensions/injuries. is a failure.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
I would trade Edsall for London in a second
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 26, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lacking ANY Accountability
Lacking the effort to lock up a good recruiting class, Lacking the ability to adjust your scheme even a LITTLE, and alienating your fanbase while showing no structural responsibility or progress is the real failure. UVA is trending upwards, while we’re trending downwards as a Program. Bashing UVA won’t make our situation better I was merely giving an example of how you rebuild a program rather than burn it down.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll take 38-0 loss vs. a top 5 team
over a 38-7 defeat against the second best team in the MAC any day.
even in year 2/ with no injuries/ no attrition/ no academic suspensions/ at home/
with a championship on the line/against the team in your own state/with all the in-state recruiting on the line. I think it’s more dissapointing because you just lost everything you’ve been hoping for. It makes me happy cuz I hate Uva.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Next time we're in the position for a conference title
I’ll let you know. But for now, I’ll take a good season over 2-10 and 38-7 vs. Temple.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen written in words.
by Ben Broman on Nov 27, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Edsall supporters are running out of sane arguments
Lucky us, we’re 2-10 and therefore won’t have our hearts broken. Unless you consider the second biggest collapse in conference history heart breaking.
+1
Now they’re just pulling feces out of their anuses.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're right
Because your last statement definitely gives you credibility.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
FYI FtT2002, I really respect your arguments
I’ll never begrudge anyone having an opinion, and I don’t consider any of your arguments poorly though-out, unintelligent, or anything like that. I disagree w/ them vehemently, but I can understand entirely where you’re coming from.
Just don’t start claiming that Edsall was a good hire because he didn’t go 8-4 and have a chance to go to the ACC Championship Game. I have trouble respecting that. :)
Don,t be so sure KA is safe either
This was a big hire and he needed to hit it big time. They will get one maybe two more years to turn it around. If they don,t a new AD will be doing another head football coach search. To much at stake, way to much to flounder along any longer then what I said. This school is bleeding out $$$ wise. Football has got to do its part and quick!
NEWS FLASH
Ralph Friedgen admitted to hospital for an abdominal strain due to excessive laughter.
fridge blew out his abdominals in 1982
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
maryland football
please ..please..do this coach a favor and let him go back to division 2 or div1aa or whereever he might be successful…he had no idea of what to do today…or against Clemson…or for that matter aginst Towson….he is a dissapointment..should not have been hired…may well be a great person ….who is just “over his head” and could be successful at another level…sya Fork Union Military Academy…..
mike leach already applied for that job....
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Randy Edsall can be his Defensive Coordinator.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
leach probably doesn't
hire anybody who won’t wear a pirate patch or agree to lock kids in a shed. Randy isn’t qualifies
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 26, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I'm pretty sure he locked up DJ Adams in a shed the whole season.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Nov 26, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Penn state recruits backing out?
Heard that PSU was losing its recruits. Any chance any of them would settle for Maryland? At least they’d get to play on Day 1…
by terpapins on Nov 26, 2011 10:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
What Terp Nation needs right now
Is Nate Britt.
turgeon should get him
because he was a good hire and when he complains about how gary left him the hardest players to coach he has ever encountered he did it in a way that still gives them the self esteem they will use to get a few wins against top ten teams and stay really close to duke and unc the way the football team did against clemson #8 and gt #12 and west virginia #15. I don’t think turgeon will just give those teams a fight to the end, he will win a few since he allows the players to wear earings and dewrags as much as they want. I really don’t think Stoglin 35% of the scoring will transfer because he’s doing really good in school and he really clicks with coach. He made all the right moves hiring delante hill for 400000 dollars so that he could get Britt and since he is smarter than edsall he will get him no doubt. Nate Britt is huge on earings…I’m not sure how he feesl about dew rags but he definatley will get his name on his jersey with Turge!!! also if he becomes a dew rag fan that option is always open with Turge!!!!
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
The icing on the cake?
NC State gave the game ball to (drum roll)
…
…
…
Debbie Yow.
Seriously?
Well, in 5-10 years, they won’t be able to afford to give away game balls, because they’ll be broke.
p.s. – I hate NC State. A lot.
by Dave Tucker on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finances
http://www.bloomberg.com/data-visualization/texas-tops-college-football-with-75-operating-profit/
NC State Football ran a $9.8 mil operating profit last year. We did that because people come to our games. Just sayin.
This
Is exactly what I’ve been trying to say to people who say they will boycott games because of Edsall.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
She has no direct impact on that
But she will almost certainly mismanage your funds. I don’t say that out of dislike for you or your school, but because she did that when she was here and ****ed us over in the process.
Debbie
I have seen a lot of people on your site complain about DY because she added on to the FB stadium when you weren’t selling out before. The fact is, most major BCS universities undertook major additions to their stadiums in the past 10 years. If you wanted to be a big time program, you had to add and that also meant adding suites and box seats. It is the responsibility of the fans to come to the games. If you want to blame her for something you can blame her for adding too many suites and not enough seats but stadium additions were a move you had to make to be a big program.
FeartheTurtle2002 has it right. Win or lose over the past 10 years, Carter-Finley has been at 95-99% capacity with Season tickets selling out almost every year. As long as we keep doing that, we will continue to have the cash flow needed for the program.
So far DY has made good moves for NCSU. It will take at least 5-7 years to really see if shes good or not though.
Realities
Economic realities mean we have Edsall for two or three more years. Economic realities mean we probably have to keep the coordinators for a while. (Who knows the details of their contracts?)
As Terp fans, we have the right to cheer or boo this coaching team as the occasion warrants. It is not disloyal to criticize leadership when it deserves criticizing. And if you are a betting person, it’s not disloyal to bet against your team. As Michael Corleone said, it’s not personal, it’s business.
Yesterday’s game summarized the season. A great start followed by disaster. For the first 34 minutes yesterday, the Terps looked like a team that had turned the corner. Special teams played far better. The Terps controlled both sides of the ball. The defense dominated. The offense worked, finally looking like it was designed for a QB like Brown.
Then, unsurprisingly given the direction of this season, the roof collapsed. Had NC State taken over at the very start of the second half, you could blame Edsall & Co. for being outcoached during the break. Instead, the Terps continued their domination — for four minutes.
Then, suddenly, disintegration and disaster. A lot of credit belongs to the grit and spirit of NC State. For me, a lot of the blame goes to fatigue on the part of the Terps. It produced physical and mental mistakes by a young, understaffed team with a fragile psyche. The thin squad resulted from something Edsall couldn’t control — injuries — and something he had a hand in fostering — suspensions and departures from the team.
For 34 minutes, I saw great hope that maybe this team could succeed. When a team sucks, we blame coaches. When it looks like it did for 34 minutes yesterday, we must credit them to remain honest. It’s easy to blame the coaches for the final 26 minutes, but in reality they were driving a car with worn tires and without the top two gears. The machine was basically out of gas and gear.
I don’t like Edsall, but as a longtime fan, I hope he succeeds. While those 34 minutes gave me some optimism, it’s hard to carry that forward in the face of an at-best mediocre recruiting class. Who knows? Maybe some blue-chippers will decide Edsall’s regime is what they really want and will commit to UMd. Unless this happens, the best we realistically expect in the future is mediocrity and the occasional Military Bowl.
Despite occasional bursts of success, UMd is not a football school. Thank heavens for basketball, where the future is far, far brighter.
by Runningcloud on Nov 27, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
we have more acc championships..
…in football and if you count 1951…more national championships in football too. We are a basketball school, but the acc sucks in football and there is always a decent chance to dominate it. its amazing that clemson hasn’t won an acc title since the 90’s. unc since the 80’s. uva…never?
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well said
The only thing I’d add pertains to the coordinators. Crowton’s insane contract means he has to stick around, but remember that Bradford signed a position coach contract and then was basically drafted into DC after the Shannon debacle. I’m pretty certain Bradford will be heading out.
Which is a shame, really. He was better than Crowton all year. If I could choose to get rid of one of them, it’d definitely be Crtn.
One of the
Most level headed posts on this site in a while. And for that I thank you.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Bottom Line
This team isn’t going anywhere with Bradford as the DC. The offense has struggled plenty, but the defense has collapsed several times the offense gave them big leads. The only game where they really performed was Georgia Tech.
Keep Crowton and get a new DC.
sorry
The defense often collapsed in the second half, because Crowton has no idea how to slow the game down, and take time off the clock. Opposing defenses often adjusted to him in the second half as well, leading to a string of three and outs. leaving the defense on the field.
With all of the injuries and problems on the defense, they needed to adjust their game plan to take time off the clock. THey never do.
Crowton is a horrible offensive coordinator.
The NCS offense ran 100 plays yesterday,
and scored 34 points late in the game when the defense was gassed. I don’t recall EVER seeing a team run 100 plays before. That, IMO, falls on the offense not giving the defense enough rest.
Oh, and how many points did the defense account for in the first half vs. NCS?
It wasn't just that game
The offense kept putting up points and the defense kept giving them up against Clemson. I’m in no way defending Crowton, but the problem is more on the defensive side of the ball. I don’t care how gassed you are, giving up that many points in that short of a time is inexcusable.
Clemson was the 5th-ranked offense in the country.
EVERY defense was giving up a ton of points to them. And we were riddled with injuries/suspensions, playing mostly freshman.
NC State had a 12-play scoring drive that included 10 pass plays (those are always more exhausting for a defense). We got the ball back and Meggett fumbled on the first play, and the defense is right back out there defensing a short field.
That, IMO, was the critical point of the game. That’s when NCS gained the momentum. Had Meggett not fumbled on the first play, and had we gotten a couple first downs, it probably would have been a different story.
Maryland was constantly giving up more points to teams than they averaged.
What about BC? They averaged 18.2 points per game, scored 45 against UMASS and put up 28 against Maryland. That was the second-highest point total they had all year.
Clemson scored their second-highest single game total against Maryland. Florida St. scored their second-most points against Maryland with 41. Not counting William and Mary, Virginia scored their second-largest point total against Maryland.
I know there were some defensive TDs and I know some injuries like Tate really hurt, but in game after game, Maryland’s opponent was scoring way more points than their seasonal average.
Still sick to my stomach
I was hoping that a day would make me feel better about that sick loss yesterday. It didn’t. How sad. I told my kids they should cancel the football program at Maryland. Oh well, I will continue to watch and cheer (and yell at the T.V. a lot). But this football season was sickening.
A great win for Debbie Yow.
She gets the game ball against the school that made her persona non grata, despite being the winningest Athletic Director in the history of the school. Plus her former football coach in waiting embarrasses the team that embarrassed us last week. Is Vanderbilt that much better than us?? Wow. How the mighty have fallen.
Nice revenge Yow.
And she can mount the heads of the head coaches in the 8 sports UMd had to let go on her office wall
because she overspent and fudged the numbers while here. I used to be a Yow apologist because of her non-rev hires. No more. She salted the earth while she was here, and now we’re starving as a result.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
we were starving when she came..
and we didn’t win in ANY sport. thats where we are heading now.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
She lied to us
She told us we had dug our way out of the financial mess Andy Geiger had left. And she made up pretty year-end reports showing that. And she built that WTF tower and those extra deck when we couldn’t sell out that stadium when it held 40,000.
And they were all lies. We were living off borrowed time and basically borrowed money and she knew it. And the year the bill was to come due, she bailed.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
HEY...
the same people who hate yow….hate edsall…and hate R A. Yow had a great eye for talented coaches as well as dead wood in the AD. They also would hate andy geiger and fat lew perkins…the disasters that were here before Yow. they also hated lefty for not winning the big one despite having the best talent. They hated claiborne for winning with a boring style. they hated gary…until he won the NC…then started to hate him again as he drifted off. They hated Krivak, they hated duffner,they hated vanderlinden. they hate brenda because she recruits so well and made gary (during the periord they liked him) look bad. They liked Bobby Ross because he managed to get tons of academic exceptions in the school, well… he didn’t give 2 craps about UMD and left immediately after Bias when he easn’t able to bring in as many athletes not prepared to be in college.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
wait what? Fuck debby yow
i like Edsall too
by Maryland1206 on Nov 27, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really, really rather not.
You SEEN that hairdo?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Nov 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PMPLSH
Pissed my pants, laughing so hard.
That’s right, I love for that cool new way the hip kids use shorthand on the inter-webby thingy!
Just because we aren't happy with our 2-10 coach ...
…does not mean we hate every coach who ever coached here. It’s a horrible conclusion to draw. The criticisms against Edsall are self-standing based on the horrific season he just finished.
we were horrific in 2009...
…decent (not good) in 2010 and horrific in 2011. bfd. there is always a huge contingent of angry dis-satisfied terp fans. its just who we are.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 27, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who WE are?
Please. Name ONE big-time college program who’s fan base would be OK with the results over the last three years we had.
Oh that’s right. Your Coach Wonderful Frank Beamer. News flash. HIS fan base was calling for his head as well in his first few years. And college football has changed since he took over, where RESULTS, and the money it pours into a program, is now expected (we can debate whether that is a good thing or not on some other thread).
Don’t start labeling Terp fans as some sort of whiny ingrates because of how we feel. It’s the standard landscape in today’s game with instant media and the internet.
tough loss but there's hope
yesterday sucked greatly and it sucks to say that I expected a collapse. we played well for a half and showed what this team has the potential to do. the failure came when we could not get the defense off of the field long enough to catch their breath. All season long we dealt with a depth [problem that was multiplied by the loss of key players. This was a depleted and young squad that was forced to play a massive amount of snaps and showed a few signs of hope when fresh.
the good side is that i expect the majority of the team to stay and buy-in to the system. i expect that we will obtain the services of a quality DC that will undoubtedly be the wrong guy for most of this board. when i look at the number of freshman on this team and think about the leaders that will be back in key positions i have hope. this includes the hipe that mr. tate will get his red-short and will be back on the squad next year.
all that being said, yesterday was mad depressing and it sucks to end the season that way. Now go recruit and keep the local kids in town!
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions
$10 million left on Edsall's contract and no money in the bank
the long, cold winter of Terrapin football is upon us
that's 20,000 Fans with
$500 each in an escrow account and Bye Bye
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