Edsall, Terps Suspend Wide Receiver Ronnie Tyler for N.C. State
by Ben Broman on Nov 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST
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Not that I truly care too much anymore, but in case you're interested:
Maryland wide receiver Ronnie Tyler won't make the trip to N.C. State on Saturday because of academic issues, coach Randy Edsall said.
Yawn. Aside from Maryland being pretty terrible and the final game meaning essentially nothing, Tyler has been disappointing in his final season. There's the two-game suspension early in the year, and of course he's routinely struggled with drops, including one that might've won the Clemson game. So I'm okay with getting Marcus Leak or Adrian Coxson some more playing time. Tyler certainly doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt that, say, David Mackall got, based on their pasts (Tyler was also suspended for academic reasons for last year's final game).
But, uh, with a hat-tip to Dan Steinberg, the players seem to be taking this one pretty hard.
(@Maceez73 = Max Garcia, #73.) At the Steinz' link, you'll also find Danny O'Brien and Davin Meggett having a conversation consisting of Danny saying "Unbelievable" and Davin responding "Bro....", and I have no idea if that means anything or not.
But, uh, it's an interesting response. Whatever. I'm sure none of these guys are "fine young men."*
*My stance on Edsall is well-known. And this is simultaneously disturbing and fun to poke fun at. But for full disclosure: Maryland has sucked this year. It's no surprise that people aren't happy. Whether that is indicative of something larger, I don't know.
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Well, we'll always have the pride unis
Labor Day was so awesome.
by NAmstrong on Nov 22, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Way over
I’d say closer to 15 than 7.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
whoa, whoa, whoa
does this mean we might lose on Saturday?
say it ain’t so!
All the things
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by John Stephens on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Why?
Because he suspended a guy who can’t perform academically? If anything, this should actually be the one reason you should give him some sort of credit.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
part of being a coach
is connecting with the players. Im ok with suspensions, but clearly something is wrong if all of the players are complaining about him.
by tmoneyttime1 on Nov 22, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The first thing Bill Parcells did when he took over a team
was to purge out the selfish and underperforming. I fully expect a lot of turnover next season. But whatever, maybe we’ll be stronger for it in the long run.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm having trouble with the "all" part
I don’t think it’s all the players considering there have been players that have come out in support of Edsall. No one will really know until after the season who was really discontent. Hopefully it’s not many.
And while I agree with you that a coach should more or less conform to his players for the greater good, I can’t bring myself to fully blame either Edsall or the players for the unhappiness this year. Edsall has a job to do past just this one year, and he’s going to make the program into his image as he should. And the players didn’t sign up to play for Edsall, or else they would’ve been up at UConn. So I do believe there will be significant attrition, but even if there are some really good players who leave (DOB, Mackall, etc) I think it will make this team better for the short and long term. I understand how that could sound stupid, but I promise you there’s logic behind it, haha.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
of course they are going to come out and support him
they want to get PT..if you don’t see a serious problem with how the players are reacting here then you must be Stevie Wonder
by tmoneyttime1 on Nov 22, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Get with it
Do you not see these tweets??? Edsall is a fucking joke. Every single player hates this guy to the point where they don’t care about coming out with it on Twitter.
You act as if it is a surprise
That there are guys that signed up to play in one system and got forced into another system are unhappy. As I said in another comment, I don’t blame Edsall or the players. Edsall needs to build this program into his image, and the players signed up to play for Fridge. I’m not saying that no one deserves blame at all, but this is the kind of stuff that happens when there is coaching turnover.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
A "system"
I think when you start to make prisoner analogies, you go beyond the word system. This is a program thing, and this guy is destroying our program.
I think...
it says a ton that he went public with that comment. I dont think alot of these guys (rightly or wrongly) even care anymore or want to be a part of the program.
To go public with this type of stuff is a HUGE sign.
I really dislike Edsall as a coach (and don't care for him personally, just because I rarely enjoy the company of people with his personality)
But this isn’t one of the things I’m upset about.
agreed.
Tyler has been nothing but a dissapointment from the get go. I obviously don’t know this for certain, but I have to believe that these guys are thinking “the whole world is against me” and not thinking that maybe they are their own worst enemies. Go to glass, stay out of trouble, and you won’t be suspended. Its not that hard.
by nmcvicker03 on Nov 23, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunate
Ronnie seemed like a good kid. At least that’s kind of what I got from “Terrapins Rising.” But obviously he’s had some issues he has had to work out that he hasn’t gotten through yet. Regardless of the reason, you always hate to see a senior go out like this, even if they haven’t lived up to anywhere near their potential.
As for the negativity from the football players, I gotta say I don’t really get it. Granted we have no idea exactly what they’re talking about. If they’re talking about Tyler, well then tough luck, they should be mad at Tyler, He’s the one that apparently didn’t care enough about his team to fix his grades. If it’s about Mackall, then there isn’t much I can say because I’m not sure or don’t remember why he was suspended. If it’s something else, I have even less to say. We’ll see how it all shakes out after the season. But we’ll definitely have at least 10 scholarships to play with that we didn’t believe we’d have.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions
I think
the fact that Danny O’Brien spoke out says a lot. From what I understand, it is not physically possible for a senior with three weeks left in the semester be declared academically eligible. I could be wrong, but I’m almost positive I’m not. Also, based on Edsall’s past, it tells me there is a lot more to the story with both Ronnie and Mackall. I think it’s unfair to throw either of those guys under the bus until we really know what happened. I was an Edsall supporter, and I am still optimistic for the future; however, this last incident is not sitting well with me. My gut tells me there is so much more going on that we don’t know about.
Mackall yes, Tyler no
To my knowledge Mackall hasn’t done much wrong so I can give him the benefit of a doubt. But Tyler, after he’s punched someone outside of a 7 11 and already had trouble with academics I can’t do the same for him.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you can easily interpret the twitter quotes
To be the other players expressing their disappointment in Tyler.
Serious?
So Tyler is an inmate b/c he has bad grades?
Your reaching on this one Stretch
You're right about the Robinson tweet
But the other 3 I think you could interpret either way.
Feels like reading tea leaves trying to interpret these tweets. I just hate blowing things out of context. Albeit, we seem to have an understanding of the context.
Max Garcia was referring to himself as an inmate, no?
And MattRob was RT it.
If it wasn’t painfully obvious to all before, Edsall has lost this team.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is a joke. I'm sorry but I am so sick of the constant negativity.
He’s had one year. Give him a damn break. Yes we could have done better but there were a lot of growing pains. Give it time
I agree to a certain extent but...
nothing good can come from a 2-10 season. I’m still optimistic but this has been worse than anyone could imagine.
by nmcvicker03 on Nov 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
(Nothing good can come from a 2-10 season) except:
All of those freshmen who saw tons of playing time will have three years of eligibility left, and two years worth of game experience they wouldn’t have had otherwise.
In addition to Tyler not performing well academically,
it is also Edsall’s fault for allowing all those balls bounce off our WR’s hands in crucial situations this season. What a bum.
So confusing
What point does this make? Ronnie Tyler is Ronnie Tyler. He catches 40% of balls which hit his hands. He made a mistake earlier in the season. But suspending a senior for his last game? For academic reasons? I fail to see the logic in this.
Rules are rules
With all due respect, I don’t care if you are a true freshman or the next Joe Montana, if the rules are in place, you should follow them. If there isn’t already a loophole in the rule that says, “if you break this rule before your last game, you can still play anyways,” then the consequence should always be the same.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
What common sense is there about this?
Do you know that Edsall didn’t go to Ronnie 3 weeks ago and say, “look, you’re grades suck. If you don’t pick them up by the last game, I’m afraid you can’t play.” You can’t tell me that there isn’t any way that Ronnie didn’t know he was in danger of not playing with all of the tutors and academic advisors and such that this team has.
It’s not that I’m happy Tyler won’t be playing, I think it sucks. But to blame Edsall for Tyler not living up to is obligations just doesn’t sit right with me.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
So you are using a hypothetical conversation to bolster your argument.
Here’s the facts:
Tyler is a Senior.
There is no academic suspension which the University distributes which would occur at this point in the semester.
Tyler’s last game is Saturday.
So Edsall suspended a student for academic reasons even though the University would not take action at this time against any other student and his academics would not (at this time) prohibit Tyler from playing according to University and NCAA academic standards/rules.
by Fushezzi on Nov 22, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you’re saying it’s a hypothetical thing for me to expect Ronnie Tyler to know his academic status, and to know that he was in jeopardy of not playing?
I’m not saying it doesn’t suck he won’t play, I feel bad for the kid. But I’m not going to blame Edsall for enforcing the rules and give Ronnie Tyler the benefit of the doubt when he hasn’t earned it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
So
let me get this right. Your loyalty stays with a coach whose OWN PLAYERS aren’t even loyal to him. The entire team has had enough to the point where they are calling themselves prisoners on twitter for the whole world to see.
In years of reading this blog I’ve never been more completely baffled with a stance someone has taken. Have you ever played a sport competitively? Do you know what happens when teammates bands together in opposition of their coach? Do you know why that happens? Do you think 70 players are crazy and one man is right? Is Randy Esdall your Tim Tebow?
Look big guy
If you want to make this personal, let’s go for it.
First of all, you lose credibility when you say Edsall’s “OWN PLAYERS.” That is precisely the issue here, they aren’t his players. I feel like a broken record saying this, but these players didn’t sign up for Edsall, so there are going to be players that don’t buy in. If you don’t get that, I’m not sure what to tell you.
Second of all. I’ve played sports all my life, and played FCS football. I’m currently a coach when I wasn’t even seeking a coaching job, I was offered. So yeah, I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about rather than you who sits and whines from behind his computer all day.
You say 70 players? Are you in the locker room? Have you actually TALKED to these guys? I actually know some of them, have played against them, and talked to some of them within the past two months. Can you even name 5 players on the team? Don’t bring your weak stuff here, that’s just plain ridiculous. And by the way, of the guys I’ve talked to, it’s pretty split. No one has come out and said they hate the guy, a couple have said they aren’t overly excited, and another few have come out in support.
Don’t even try to beat me on this, I know exactly what I’m talking about when it comes to these matters. Every coach deserves a chance to implement his program, and if YOU knew a damn thing about coaching, you might get that. Don’t come on here acting as if you’re some sort of expert and we should all head to your wisdom.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care who recruited the players
All 70 of them aren’t just pieces of shit because Esdall treated them that way. If 4 years of 2-10 bullshit was what Edsall is entitled to until he’s judged, then that’s a new one on me. Coaches come in and have success right away all the time, and they do it without alienating 95% of the fanbase.
I’m not gonna pretend that I’ve talk to guys in the locker room, I haven’t. But I’m going off of what I hear from Edsall and what I hear from players. And the guy has done less than nothing right in my eyes. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions and just because I choose not to support the guy unconditionally doesn’t make me wrong and you right. I was a fan of him when he came in but his actions thus far have been less than impressive. And this latest move, suspending a senior before his last game for something incidental (and I say this not because I know for sure but by the way the other guys reacted), maybe this put me over the top.
I was a D1 athlete as well, so I know what it’s like to be on a team and I know what it’s like when the entire team hates the coach. I know what it’s like to see a team fall apart because of that very reason.
I'm not calling you wrong
For not being in love with Edsall and not being happy with this season. I am however saying that those who are blaming Edsall for Tyler’s lack of academic prowess are wrong. It’s like I said before, if this was DOB that he was suspending for academic reasons or something of the sort, then fine, I might question it. But Tyler has given me no reason to be in his corner on this one after being suspended for 3 of his past 12 games.
And I don’t think you have to eat four years of 2-10 football to start being upset. But I do think that a new coach deserves more than one season to prove his worth. If we are 2-10 next year, then I’ll eat crow and start holding the drum that you are banging. But I like the majority of the things that Edsall has done with this program. The people who like it will be here, and the ones that don’t won’t be to no fault of their own. But we will be a stronger team next year for the simple fact that pretty much everyone that is here next year will be here by choice, not because they were forced.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
OK
I hear what you are saying- I hope we are 10-2 next year and Edsall gets all the praise in the world. You’re right in that it does take time to implement a system and we who are bashing Edsall need to give him the chance to turn it around next year.
Wow...
Knowledge from an inside guy is awesome….
So let me ask you (I know you wouldnt be comfortable giving names), but how many players do you think will transfer in the offseason? Further, how many would you consider a “normal/healthy” number?
cool insight, thanks!
honestly
I’m not really sure. When I see some of these guys its at a friends house or going out with everyone. So while I’ve asked how things are going, I don’t pry too much just because I’m not trying to be intrusive while we are out or playing FIFA or Madden or whatever. I know of the 8 or so that I know they haven’t said they were unhappy to the point of transferring so I know we will have at least 8 guys here next year lol
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This...
this right here is a “fuck you” suspension.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Are you 72 years old?
you sound like Randy Edsall himself. Get out of the 1950s, this shit doesn’t fly if you want to be successful in the modern era of CFB. If you want to try and win with scrappy overachievers, good luck, but it’s the talent that wins games. And with talent comes a little bit of flexibility with the rules.
Here's the problem right here...
“And with talent comes a little bit of flexibility with the rules”. Really? I fear for this country sometimes.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't invent the college football landscape
just telling it like it is. Do you want to win or win sportsmanship awards?
Why don't you ask Tom Coughlin
and his Super Bowl ring about how discipline doesn’t win championships?
When you're rich you don't write checks - Randy Moss
by s.r.genovese on Nov 22, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
NFL vs College
In the NFL the players are in need of strict discipline. They are paid well and in a lot of times in need of motivation. In college, the kids are naturally hungry. Big time college football is their entrance to the NFL and a better life. Hell, Edsall would probably be a pretty decent NFL coach.
I’m not saying we become The U but you need to be a little bit flexible with these kids and remember that they are KIDS. Kids make mistakes, they aren’t perfect. There’s a difference between being a jerk to be a jerk and being a jerk to make a point. Feels like Edsall is doing a lot more of the former and painting it as the latter.
kids make mistakes...
Adults teach them the consequences so they don’t repeat those mistakes when they grow up and live in the real world. Good for edsall. If he fails he at least did it the right way. Hopefully we get the issues fixed this year so we can focus on Football next year.
by valleyterp on Nov 22, 2011 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
You’re saying grown men who get paid to do a job need more discipline than 18-22 year olds? Is that really the point you are going to try and make right now? You may want to rethink your argument. That is the precise time in your life that you LEARN discipline is in college. Stop making arguments that you are only making because you think it helps to prove your point, because I know you don’t believe this.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think u misunderstood me, I agree with edsall for holding kids responsible for their actions. I think we r arguing the same thing.
by valleyterp on Nov 22, 2011 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know
The reply was to terp121, not to you, haha. We’re on the same page.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Uh dude it's the opposite
kids need discipline. NFL players are grown ass men.
When you're rich you don't write checks - Randy Moss
by s.r.genovese on Nov 22, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Should've been more clear
Strict discipline works better as a way to motivate players in the NFL than it does in college. Nick Saban is strict but he also relates to players and obviously is a little bit flexible all the way around to keep some of those kids on the field.
Tom Coughlin is a f*ing hardass and makes no attempt to sugarcoat it. It works because NFL guys need that type of environment a lot of the times.
72 years old, get out of the 1950's?
What do you have against Betty White? Not an intelligent way to state your position. There are probably other senior citizens like me on this site who would like to think they can express their opinions without needless general put downs. I suspect you are a good man or woman who will think differently about age in a few years.
Yeah, even an old football coach from his 70s onward was flexing the rules
he supposedly upheld so high.
Joe Pa went down that path covering for his players for decades, with no repercussions.
It’s simplistic to quote a TV show, but Keifer Sutherland gave a great Jack Bauer quote in the very 1st episode of 24:
Jack Bauer: You can look the other way once, and it’s no big deal, except it makes it easier for you to compromise the next time, and pretty soon that’s all you’re doing; compromising, because that’s the way you think things are done. You know those guys I busted [N.B. – 3 agents within the counter Terrorism Unit]? You think they were the bad guys? Because they weren’t, they weren’t bad guys, they were just like you and me. Except they compromised… once.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Nov 23, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he wasn't Machiavellian!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Nov 23, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know the full story or extent of Ronnie's academic issues.
I can’t argue that it sucks to be suspended for your last game as a senior. Perhaps he had been warned, and failed to live up to his obligations. We don’t know. As crappy as it is, maybe Edsall is sending out a message that academics matter to student-athletes at UMD, and even Senior starting WR’s are not immune to the rules. He setting the tone for the rest of the players(or those not fleeing the program), and to those who he is recruiting. This is what we expect, can’t be any clearer.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I do know Ronnie Tyler has done well enough academically to have been eligible for every game since 2008 — which means he is likely on track to graduate.
And you’re going to take away his last game and say he needs to be taught a lesson due to academics?
Please. Get a clue.
Ummm
Didn’t Ben say above that Ronnie Tyler was suspended for the Military Bowl last year? I know that was a game that both counted, and was subsequent to 2008.
So I won’t be rude to you as you seem to want to be to other people, but you need to know all your information if you’re going to say these kinds of things.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Touche'
So he was suspended for the Military Bowl.
And I wasn’t being rude. I think many of you are underestimating the full effect this suspension.
Tyler has one more football game left. His family has one more football left to watch him. For the most part, he has stayed academically eligible. He’s maintained his grades according to University standards. Unless the school itself takes that away, you do not suspend a senior for his last game to prove a point. He has the rest of his life to graduate college.
Now that I think about it....
The only explanation would be that Tyler got caught cheating…..in which case the school would take action and a suspension would be justifiable.
Not necessarily the case
I have no idea what the standards are here, but that is not necessarily the case. Within many D1 programs, some coaches hold players to standards that exceed the university’s. Sometimes known as “team standards” or rules. Tyler could have violated those rules. How? By failing certain exams/midterms. Not going to classes. Failing to meeting with tutors. Not going to study halls. A number of ways. I understand wanting to cut him some slack because he is a senior, but where do you draw the line?
+1
You draw the line at the rule, I don’t think that should ever change. I’m not saying you should rule with an absolute iron fist. Players should be given the opportunity to defend themselves and such, but if a rule is broken, then the appropriate consequence should be handed out 100% of the time.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler...
has absolutely nothing to lose at this point… he can speak his mind if he so chooses – he’s done at MD anyway….
Unless he’s done something unforgivable – it sure seems like this OVER THE TOP. Its a senior in his last game ever and he wont be in the NFL — and it got taken away from him for what seems on the surface to be a BS reason. (Academic reasons as a senior??)
Anyway, I’m actually on Edsall’s side here more then most, but this seems excessive.
This is tyler’s last moment.
Like terps319 said, very surprising o’brien spoke out though, through it all, he seemed to like edsall.
oh well.
The lost year
What a clustereff of a year. I don’t know the particulars of the situation but he better have done something pretty bad to merit this response. To take away a kids last game is a huge punishment.
i would be bitching about this if i was on the team too
doesnt mean it wasnt ultimately the right move.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
I'm hoping that Edsall, in the face of a team that wants no part of him,
and doesn’t respect him and thinks he’s a joke, challenges the whole team to a jogging competition in the middle of a rainstorm, with players falling out one-by-one, and eventually outlasts them all, and earns their respect, wins a championship and makes her boss Nipsy, I mean KA, look like a genius for taking a chance on him….
a la the movie, Wildcats.
American U
According to wikipedia at least, Hawn went to American U before dropping out for the acting career.
She is from Silver Spring though.
Damn wikipedia....
but I knew she was FROM Maryland, haha.
Ok, what about Larry David from Curb Your Enthusiam? I know he’s a celebri-terp!
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hate that pic of Randy.
He looks like Jughead from the Archie comics.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 23, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
It was either that one or the one of him in a race car:
For what it’s worth, instead of hating the guy and calling for him to be fired, I’m gonna just poke fun at him instead.
You're lucky
I’m running out of silly looking photos (that don’t have him in UCONN gear). Hard to look silly when you have a haircut like that though.
Aw man, you've got time to work on it, there's a 4 day weekend coming up.
Just do some photo-shopping of him making citizen arrests against jaywalkers out on Rt. 1.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 23, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I guffawed (I refuse to use LOL)
Think I’m gonna work on a GIF of 100 Edsall’s attacking a small group of ninjas instead.
Everybody is frustrated
Everyone is frustrated with the losing. The players, the coaches, and the fans. If MD was undefeated, we would not be hearing any of this and people would be singing Edsall’s praises. So, people complain. I’m fine with that. Let it out. At the same time, if and when this team rebounds, I hope the naysayers will also throw some support the coach’s way. This guy obviously wants to win and was frustrated by the state of the program when he arrived. He aired those issues (whether about academically or other things) early on. There were a number of players that left the program before the season even started. I do not understand why people continuously act “shocked” or are disturbed when he suspends a player for violating a rule or they do not perform academically. Really? I would rather him hold them to some kind of standard.
There are plenty of universities that would let these types of things slide (especially for seniors). I am proud of the fact that he is holding everyone to the same standard. If they are not able to maintain that standard, then they are not able to play. It’s pretty basic. And, it’s not like he showed up and became like this. He has been like this throughout his career.
In this day and age when multiple (top and wannabe top) programs are being suspended, investigated, and punished for numerous infractions, it’s actually nice to hear about and have a coach that cares about the rules.
The winning will come. This team is young and lost a healthy amount of firepower from last year. I have always thought that the comparable comparisons to last year’s team are way off. You may have some of the same players (including the starting QB), but they also lost their biggest weapon (offensive or defensive) and there’s no question that impacted their play this year. If Torrey Smith had stayed, this team would be A LOT better. And, it’s obvious that there were a number of injuries that also negatively impacted the team.
Anyway, again, let it out. I get the fact that people are frustrated, but I hope that people continue to stay loyal to the team. Whether that be the players or the coaches (in particular the head coach who is obviously not going anywhere). Fear the turtle!
http://www.middletownpress.com/articles/2010/08/19/sports/doc4c6db2426d9a2592062199.txt
http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Four-UConn-football-players-set-to-transfer-240916.php
I think Randy needs to improve his public relations
I have no problem with Randy requiring players to be accountable for themselves. Its not just good for them as individuals, it is also good for the team. I do have a problem with the disciplinary actions like this one being center stage for the team. At this point this season we should be discussing a wide range of other football issues like recruiting, individual player development, scoring in the red-zone, etc. that are far more important. Instead, its Ronnie Tyler’s academic deficiencies. I think the problem is Randy’s unwillingness to provide real information about these football issues, his policy denying press access to his assistants, and his defensiveness. At times he seems like his own worst enemy.
This
I can agree with. I do think that the biggest reason there are so many people against him isn’t necessarily because of what he does, it’s just how he does it and how it comes out. As much as I’m not a fan of being politically correct, part of his responsibilities as head coach of a college program is to create a good relationship with the fan base.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
No lie
I agree with everything you just said. I’m just going to let Charles2 speak on this matter for me from now on. Much more eloquent and respectful that I am. I get entirely too heated up about it to a fault. Great job Charles.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks much
That is an incredibly valid point about public relations. I think that makes a lot of sense. Frankly, it seems as though we’re all “starved” for news, so we jump on these topics like it’s Thanksgiving. I think, however, that he may be sticking to the news blackout for a reason. One, it could be as distracting or more distracting if he has to continuously answer questions about what his assistants say. Two, he is still getting to know his assistants (and players) and he wants to make sure they won’t create confusion or “sound bites” regarding him or the university. And, three, it takes away from the actual football and the games. The last one might be a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he sees it that way.
That said, again, I agree with the benefits of having a more “newsworthy” approach. I still wonder whether he can afford to do that in his first year? Maybe something he can do later on, but I am not sure he can get away with it the first year. I say we judge him on his overall record over a few years. Really. It will take time and time and more time.
Just one more point. I think the only reason he doesn’t talk about recruiting is that he really “can’t.” He can’t comment about the players that he’s targeting and he can’t talk about the players he’s targeting. If they sign, we get a couple of soundbites, but that’s pretty standard across D1. I don’t really see how we can fault him on this one. Even if he talked about going to schools, etc., I’m not sure how exciting that would be? Anyway, just a thought.
Agreed.
Most of these troubles lay at Fridge’s permissive and passive leadership. Fridge never achieved his potential here and never would given his leadership style. It’s why his lax leadership was initially successful with the players but after 3 years his program never achieved what he should have. He was an expert at dissemination. He was not a leader and it showed. If Edsall is supported and given a chance to prove himself, you will see a better performance both on AND off the field. Now that is leadership.
True leadership...
is coaching a team for twelve years and then letting them know over the phone that you won’t be coming back. Exactly the kind of guy who is a model of leadership. All I ask Edsall to do is practice what he preaches. Trust me, I WANT to support this guy; and yes, his first year (as most first years for a coach are) has been tough. I’ll just say that a lot of things that have happened this year are leaving me with more questions than answers. I sure hope next year will have us all believing in this guy’s ability to coach.
by CarolinaTerp on Nov 26, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
players are responsible
For getting passing grades. Blame the player not the coach. It sets an example for all the players on team, a good example, that personal responsibility matters.
I could not care less about how u dress, etc but getting passing grades should be mandatory, no exceptions.
by valleyterp on Nov 22, 2011 6:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I gotta agree with the majority...
…and think that the majority of the problem is Edsall. He wasn’t popular at UConn, either. As a Mountaineer fan most of you guys probably expect me to hate Maryland, but I don’t. I have a lot of respect for UMD and always enjoy the game, plus I live in Maryland now. I have good friends that are Terp fans. I really wish WVU could have joined the ACC because all of our great rivalries are there. (Virginia Tech, Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse. All of our ONLY rivalries…) But I know that a lot of Maryland fans also feel that they are above WVU… Regardless.
I think UMD as a program can do better than Edsall. UMD hired him because he took underdog UConn to a BCS bowl, but let’s face it, he got there by a technicality. EVERY team in the Big East last year was terrible. UConn wasn’t even the best of the terrible, they just had the key tiebreakers.
Maryland has the makings of being “The Oregon of the East.” Sizable school, support from Under Armour is KEY (Oregon basically built they’re whole program on uniforms and support from Nike.) If/When Edsall doesn’t work out, hopefully Maryland will choose their next coach with a more level head.
Good luck to you guys.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 22, 2011 7:36 PM EST reply actions
By level head...
You weren’t referring to his haircut were you?
I agree about their BCS bowl bid – wouldn’t have gotten it if they were obligated to take a Big East team (WVU was better anyway).
He was a terrible pick (I know I am repeating the majority of comments), but we’ve been through this before – Krivak, Duffner, Vanderlinden and hopefully the AD will pick a better coach next time.
I think
Edsall will get you guys back to mediocrity at least, I just hope your administration and fans don’t settle for that. UMD is a program with the resources and passion to win the ACC. If Virginia Tech can do it, why can’t UMD?
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 23, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Rant
Ok. Straw meet Camel’s back. Anyone who is still defending Randy…what are you smoking?? When you stop taking your meds then please join us at the adults table and begin having the rational discussion on how this man’s poor decision making nose-dived our team from good/mediocre to bottom feeder.
He drove a 9-3 team into the ground. What planet are you on that you think next year we will somehow be better? Our recruiting class STINKS. The offense under Crowten is awful. Our top talent?? Goodbye!! Transferred! New talent will come in and replace them you say?. What kid would want to play for this guy? He annoys me! and I’m 30! He hasn’t proven anything besides he could win 8 games in a football conference that was disbanded due to it’s lousiness. To top it off, he’s awful at connecting with the media and therefore us (fans).
The Coughlin analogies are bull$hit. I’m a Giants fan. Coughlin only won when he stopped being such a lunatic. Now he’s completely reinvented himself into less of a general and more of a micro-manager. Randy should take serious notes. You can only scream, yell, suspend, bark, bitch, and moan for so long. Then it just becomes white noise. Good coaches win with the players they have!! You think Florida hired Muschamp to come in and scare all the players away??? Look at Golden!!! Look at Kiffen!! Good coaches come in and take other peoples recruits and win them over. You don’t come in and just lower the bar!!
If you are one of these bizarro discipline weirdos who post here…I’m glad you live in a world where people screaming at you to do simple tasks and taking control of your outward behavior is normal. I’m sure you also enjoy black and white television, watch Nick at Nite, and the eat the 4pm dinner special at Denny’s. The world and BIG MONEY college football have changed. Wake up!!! This program is in the gutter for the next 5-6 years and as a result so is the revenue for our entire athletic department and sadly the school.
I used to enjoy coming down to Maryland, buying nice tickets, walking around campus, getting a nice hotel in DC, spending money. F***k that. I’ll speak out the only way I can, with my wallet. ‘No’ I’m not a bad fan. I love my school. I love the football team. I have to deal with ivy league eggheads all day and gasp Dukies…and I’m proud to be a Terp. I wear it on my sleeve. That’s why I hate Edsall so much. He’s a clown. A joke. An impostor. A tough talking guy who has nothing to back it up. That’s the absolute worst kind of person and I hope he fails fast and hard so we can remove him and replace him with someone who has an IQ and doesn’t have to rely on suspensions and threats. RANT OVER. ARGHHH
Where to begin?
Alright, so first off, I get your frustration. Not going to fault you for it.
Because I have some kind of sickness to continue to repeat myself, I’ll give in to it. The biggest question I want to ask you, and those that vehemently hate Edsall, is why? Is he strict? Hell yea. Is he strict to a fault? Most likely. You say that Coughlin won the championship when he stopped being a 100% hard ass and was only a 75% hard ass. I agree that Edsall with time will need to lighten up.
But regardless of last year’s record, this program wasn’t in the kind of shape we thought it was in. This isn’t just speculation, it’s a fact. This is evidenced by the practice and scholarship sanctions that we had to put ourselves under once Edsall stepped foot on campus. And while none of us here REALLY know just how bad it was or what is happening now, Edsall felt like the program needed a change in a big way. So is it unrealistic to think that Edsall is being such a hard ass to weed out the guys he doesn’t believe will make this team successful, then he will start lightening up once the student-athletes here are the guys that will make this team into a winner, both on and off the field? It’s like I’ve said 107 times over the past month or so, I don’t believe there is much fault to go around at this point in time when it comes to the reported discontent in the locker room. 97% of these players signed up to play for Fridge, not Edsall. But that doesn’t mean that Edsall shouldn’t enforce his rules and his standards.
Not only that, but it has been a huge change schematically this season. We went from a West Coast system on offense to a spread offense. We went from an aggressive 4-3 defense to more of a multiple defense.These transitions weren’t easy to make, that is apparent. And while I’m not Crowton’s biggest fan, I’m also not going to write off his offense just yet. We haven’t had consistency at the QB or WR positions all year long. Name a single WR outside of Dorsey that would start for any other program in the ACC alone, and Dorsey has been hurt for half the year. Then factor in we basically start 4 WRs. And while the recruiting class doesn’t look spectacular as of right now, at least these are guys that these coaches have gone out and watched and believe can help them run their systems.
Also, I don’t think it was the best thing to compare Maryland to the programs at Miami, USC, and Florida. We are on two WAY opposite sides of the spectrum at this point, even before this season. At those kinds of elite programs, it doesn’t matter if you change schemes and the like because you have so much talent built up that you can make just about any transition you want most of the time.
And there’s a big difference between discipline in real life, and discipline playing football. So it has nothing to do with me or anyone else being a “discipline weirdo.” It has everything to do with these are college kids that need discipline in their lives. Like it or not, Edsall is just as much of a teacher of life lessons as he is a football coach. Now we’re not in the locker room and I’ve never personally talked with Coach Edsall, but I’d be hard pressed to believe that anything he has done this season has been to spite any of the players or put them in a bad position. He’s made mistakes, but nothing intentional. The rules he’s put in place are the rules, whether you, me, or anyone else likes them or not doesn’t matter. If the rule is you don’t wear earings in the field house, then that’s the rule. If the rule is you show up to meetings on time, you show up to meetings on time, not 17 seconds late. After going to military school, I can tell you that even the rules that I thought were the most ridiculous have helped me in my personal life more than I thought they could.
And I’m definitely not calling you a bad fan, because anyone that comes down from NYC and supports more often than not is cool in my book. But don’t mistake this as a professional sports situation. These aren’t billionaire owners that we are talking about here. This is an athletic department in dire straights that is solely dependent on us fans. To say you’re not going to come down anymore to support is only going to go against your cause because even if Edsall does end up sucking, we won’t be able to pay to get rid of him and pay a new coach. Let Edsall’s record do the talking, because without our support nothing will happen good or bad.
Also, I enjoy Nick and Nite and Denny’s, and I’m not sure what red blooded American doesn’t.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong, wrong, wrong
I am tired of hearing that the schemes are different. Any good coach adjusts his scheme to match the type of players otherwise it is a disaster. You only have to look at the Skins when they switched to a 3-4, without 3-4 players.
I have been a fan for as long as I can remember and put up with the mostly lousy football. But this guy is an asshole and as others have put it you can’t act like a lunatic and expect people to listen. This is isn’t the pros and these are kids. I get the discipline stuff and agree people should be held accountable. In his case he comes across as a bully and if we trying to the UCONN of anything it should have been BBall not football.
The Dude has spoken.
Even if you’re wrong. So, should Randy just continue to recruit players that fit into a pro-style offense or D. Brown’s D style, or should he implement his own systems and begin the development/teaching process now and take his lumps? You’re right about the skins, but now they have Orakpo and Kerrigan to make it work. Gotta make the move sometime.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 23, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Dude adides
You are correct and that was the point I was trying to make (apparently not very well). He should recruit the type of players that fit his system but trying to fit a square peg in a round hole doesn’t make sense.
How do you respond to someone who starts his rant with blanket characterizations and personal attacks
on fellow fans. What are you smoking…and…bizzarro discipline weirdos? Really, is that what you got to do prove your point? I’m not gonna get into a war of insults, I’ll just say that ain’t cool in my book.
As for the fact that you are longer willing to come DC anymore, I’d hope if we start winning again with Edsall, you’d drag your fairweather ass back down I-95, and spend that money in your wallet, because we desperately need it. Fact of the matter is, if you were a better fan, you’d stroke a check to the athletic department, and if more of you anti-Edsall guys would do the same, maybe KA could afford to fire the guy. But you won’t, and chances are Edsall will still be the coach the next time you visit Byrd in a few years. Also, I think you cross a line when you openly hope he fails fast. It’s not cool to hope for failure, just because you don’t like his style.
Lastly, I too enjoy an occasional 80’s sitcom rerun on Nick at Night, but highly prefer IHOP over Denny’s, especially the one at Rt 1 and the Beltway.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
If someone chooses to stop supporting the program, it doesn't make them a "fairweather fan"
The economy sucks right now. Big donors will do what big donors do, but we don’t have any big donors on the site (that I know of, at least). You’re talking to average fans. And if an average fan decides they’d rather spend their disposable income on something other than a 2-10 football team headed by a coach they have a personal distaste for, it doesn’t mean they’re a bad fan. It means they’re normal. People aren’t supposed to have some blind faith that they simply throw their money at, and when they choose not to it doesn’t mean they should be derided for their decisions.
It is the onus of the university and the program to create a culture of consistent fan support. It is not the fans’ job to create that out of nothing. South Carolina is the only school I can think of where that existed outside of football success. With the exception of USCe, every passionate fanbase in the country has a historically or currently good football program. And it isn’t a chicken-egg mystery: teams like Oregon, TCU, Stanford, etc. had average fanbases until their programs took off and became hot tickets.
Attack what is there to attack. Don’t turn this into “who’s the better fan.”
by Ben Broman on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like he'd still come down to Maryland if we were winning, regardless of the economy.
That smells like fairweather fan to me, the economy is just a convenient excuse. But I do agree, people have every right to spend their money as they wish. While defending him, please also see the fact that he came out swinging at those of us that will continue to support the program, both financially and fandomly(huh?). Is it ok for him to deride us “supporters” as weed-smoking bizzarro discipline weirdos, because of OUR decision to support?
Works both ways, Ben. Speaking of which, the university and the fans have a symbiotic relationship with each other. The fans rely on the school to provide a good product, but the school also relies on the fans to support their efforts at providing one as well. Neither entity is succeeding lately.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
everyone give MD all your money and blind loyalty...
…keep drinking that kool aid bro
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 22, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I already have
which is why I live in a dumpster behind Stamp and have tattoo’ed my entire body in the Shellmet pattern. Help a brother, out.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I can't offer you any money but...
You already seem more qualified than our current football coach. The job is yours if you can say young men at least 50x a day.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 23, 2011 12:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I understand and acknowledge his criticism, which I personally disagree w/
But that should’ve been the point you discussed, not that he’s a fairweather fan. Hence, attack what is there to attack.
This is a tricky line to me
I don’t have the disposable income to waste on a 2-10 football team, that’s absolutely correct. But Maryland athletics is something I’m deeply passionate about so I choose to support. I bought $600 worth of season tickets this season and didn’t sit in my seats one time because I still have access to student tickets.
So while it’s not my place to tell someone else how to spend their money, I do believe it is our responsibility as fans to support through thick and thin. Like I said in another comment, if we don’t support, it’s not as if we are hitting money hungry owners in their pockets, we are only hurting the teams we love.
So you say this isn’t a chicken-egg mystery, but as fans we have the opportunity to change the rule. If we support this team through good times and bad, our athletic department will be able to spend more money on athletic facilities, coaches, aids, etc. That in turn will lead to recruits wanting to come to Maryland more. Not to mention when they see 50,000 strong for a Maryland vs Towson game going crazy. The elite programs in the country may have had success in order to gain fan support, but make no mistake they continue to be elite because of the fan support. There was still 100,000 strong for Alabama before Saban.
So why not take matters into our own hands? Why not put the egg before the chicken or however you may want to put it? We can control the future of this program if we choose to do so.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
we do not control the future of the program...
Edsall and KA do. And their poor decision making will continue no matter how much $ you give them.
We are not Alabama and never will be. That football tradition has been engrained in the culture of the state for a century with no competition from any other sports entity. And they have won multiple national titles. Not as chicken/egg as you think.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 23, 2011 12:29 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
KA's and Edsall's
Tenure with the University of Maryland will depend solely on success and failure. If we aren’t producing on the field, court, etc, then that coach and ultimately AD won’t be here. But again, none of that can happen without fan support. You tie the athletic departments hands if they have no money to do anything.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
they tied their own hands...
…by building all those unwanted suites and the money it took to replace fridge, hire Edsall. The fans are not responsible for their fiscal issues.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 23, 2011 12:37 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Neither KA or Edsall
Have had anything to do with the suites or our dire financial situation… Yet
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry
but this can’t go uncommented on:
There was still 100,000 strong for Alabama before Saban.
Hmmm, why do we think that is? Maybe Alabama has a tiny little bit of football history in place before Saban came around?
im not saying they dont crush us
When it comes to history or anything of that nature. All I’m saying, and maybe I’m crazy, but as a fan you should support unconditionally, not just when we win. That is in fact the definition of a bandwagon fan.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think if he starts winning...
some people would be too stubborn to admit they were wrong. at this point I think the fan-base at Maryland is cheap…always wants a quick fix and are now damaging the program. edsall is trying to get a crappy program under control (see the record over the last 7 years , ncaa violations,lost scholarships,players failing out). Anybody who wanted Leach is a proven idiot. Nobody in the country will hire him but you certified morons say WE should have. It really would have looked great to have a coach who locked kids in a shed after the Penn State atrocity. Its also great to have a coach that is hated by ESPN. maybe we aren’t supportive enough fans to deserve a winner. Beamer at Va Tech was 24-42 in his first 7 seasons…he was allowed to get his system going HIS way and have 5yr redshirt seniors start…that builds a year in- year out winner. NOT Raiphs…3 years and poooof. Or Leach’s rocket start and flare out.
why is it...nobody else in the acc can invent anything? google,pulse doppler radar,underarmour,hybrid engine,universal price code,jumbotron,coronary stents,automatic parachute, sirius satellite,insulin pumps,muppets,wire,seinfeld,boondocks,apollo 13,octane system,sydicate baywatch,broke watergate,retractable landing gear,linear programming,outback steakhouse,frequent flyr systems,more nattys,more accs,more academy awards,more pulitzers,more nobels.
Not entirely true
If something looks, smells, and feels like a car crash – then it’s a car crash. Beamer is the exception not the rule. Most die-hards watchers of any team spend enough time watching it that they can tell when something stinks. The fact that a majority of the people that take time from their lives to post on a blog dedicated to Maryland sports(making us the experts) dislikes someone, is enough to drive that stock down.
Look at the Knicks – do you think we should have stayed with Isiah Thomas as coach? No. He was garbage from day one. Do you think Skins fans want to still be patient with Snyder? He has always been a joke. What about Matt Millen in Detroit? Etc… Fans have a great radar for telling if someone is pulling a fast one on them.
Maryland fans aren’t all cheap. The basketball team is going to lose a ton of games this year and nobody will get on Turgeon for it. Why? He has a proven record of success and he’s winning over the players and fans. People are buying what he’s selling.
I hope I’m wrong about but again, I HIGHLY doubt it.
Agreed,
Beamer is the exception to the rule, and times have changed then. Back in the day teams were more patient. They felt they could afford to give the head coach 3-4 years to get their program running. It was pretty much the norm then.
It isn’t now. Teams expect wins right away and in conferences like the ACC and the Big East (ESPECIALLY the Big East, speaking from experience as a WVU fan) success SHOULD be expected. Maryland has ALL the potential in the world to stand up with teams like Virginia Tech, Clemson, and even Florida State. Keep with those state pride unis, use those to recruit. Bring in an INVENTIVE, PROVEN coach or even coordinator. Edsall is an idiot. Your AD saw that he won the Big East and went to the Fiesta Bowl, but ignored that the Big East is a shit conference and that UConn was BLOWN OUT, not to mention that Edsall wasn’t even popular among at UConn. Maryland has the potential to compete for and even win the ACC and you guys should expect nothing less. If Oregon can build their program in Nike, Maryland can do it with Under Armour.
Like you said NYC Terp, Turgeon will escape the harshest criticism because the fans are buying what he’s selling and he’s sharing his vision for the future of the Terrapins. What is Edsall selling? He’s shitty with the media. He was at UConn too. UConn fans hated him. No one was sad to see him go. For all anyone knows Edsall is selling vacuum cleaners door to door, not ACC championships.
I am on board with Dana Holgorsen at WVU. I see his vision for the program and am I on board. My only fear is he’ll leave for bigger and better things. We’re not having the success we expected, but most fans agree that there is definite potential to his sytem. He’s a first year head coach, so I’m not TOO disappointed so far… Anyway, that’s my view on it. Maryland is no Florida State, granted, but they’re a big enough school and program to attract an up and coming Coordinator or Head Coach at a smaller school to find it worth it to make Maryland into something.
I really wish Maryland would have taken Franklin when they had the chance. He’s doing good things in the SEC with perennial doormat Vanderbilt. He’ll never win the SEC with them, granted, but I think he would have been a perfect fit for Maryland.
Good luck you guys. I mean it. As a WVU fan, I always cheer for UMD unless it’s our week to go head to head. UMD is my 3rd favorite rivalry (after Pitt and Virginia Tech, though VT refuses to play us.) I wish nothing but success for your program, and as someone who lives in Maryland now, that gives me even more reason to root for you all.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 22, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're wrong to assume that nobody will get on Turge for losing a ton of games this year.
The instant gratification noise will rear it’s head come February, count on it. Losing sucks, but you learn a lot more from failures, than you do with success. I think we will learn, if we haven’t already, that Terp fans have extremely high and unrealistic expectations sometimes.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
You have your opinion
And I have mine. You say that Beamer is the exception to the rule, but then you are naming the guys that are the exceptions to the rule on your side as well. Let’s be honest, there are a lot of guys who fail to be good coaches, but there are also a lot of coaches that struggled their first couple of years and turned out to be great coaches who needed time. Just because I believe Edsall needs time to prove himself doesn’t make me any less of a diehard than you. Hell, look at how many times I’ve posted on this one subject all freaking day long. At least 20. And you not being the president of the Edsall fan club doesn’t make you not a die hard either. As for the Snyder comment, I’m also a die hard Redskins fan, and I’m doing what you say you’re going to with Terps football, which is not support financially. Except the difference is, if we boycott buying Redskins things, it will hurt Snyder directly, not our football team. If you boycott Terps football, all your doing is hurting the team.
But like I said earlier, we are not Miami, Florida, or USC. We don’t have that same tradition and talent pipeline. I believe we can and will, but I can’t fault Edsall for what we don’t have. As much as I thought there would’ve been and hoped there would’ve been a smooth transition, everything that has happened this year has proved it wasn’t going to be and that expectations for this years team were too high.
Also, don’t discount another big reason that people are willing to give Turgeon more of a chance than Edsall. We have had a great run of basketball success in recent years and as a university like basketball more than football it seems. I don’t, but most seem to. But as a football fan base, we have been waiting for so long after that first and only taste of success since we went to the Orange Bowl a decade ago. We all know we can be a great program and we should be, but we haven’t been so we are angry. That’s the big difference between our football and basketball situation to me.
But either way, Edsall is most likely is going to get three years to see what he’s made of, regardless of what we do or say. So I’m not going to implore you to support Edsall, but I do hope you support the team still in general in the meantime. If Edsall fails, then we can buy him out and get another coach. If he starts winning, then everyone wins and you were there for it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it feel like me and you are standing back-to-back
in a kung-fu flick, with a bunch of Edsall hating ninja’s surrounding us with num-chucks and swinging samurai swords?
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
i have some throwing stars....
Can I join?
by valleyterp on Nov 22, 2011 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No doubt
I just hope they unwisely decide to attack one-at-a-time, instead of smartly swarming us all at once. It’s our only chance!
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
i have my shaolin style to add to the defense
Willing to back the man through next season and fully believe he will be in the hunt next season.
We lost two senior captains on each side of the ball, lost massive O and D talent after last season, and had a new offense and defensive scheme implemented. I expected better this season but that was prior to the 7-11 fights, massive casualties, and stone handed wide receivers. I will say that I am still not supporting Bra-for- and hope there will be a push for a stronger coordinator.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I read this as
“Why does it feel like me and you are standing back to back in a kung-fu flick with a bunch of Edsall’s surrounding us”
Anybody good with photoshop?
Is Gary Crowton fired yet?
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
I have to comment on this
because it has been gnawing at me for hours upon hours, haha.
Beamer is the exception to the rule. The previous commenter’s naming of other coaches are not also exceptions to the rule. They are the rule (anecdotal evidence, sure, but barring a mass study, its all we’ve got).
In general terms, rule = if a coach is crappy for 3 years, he should be canned.
Exception to rule = those coaches that turn it on during years 4 to 6, after 3 crappy years.
Haha
Everyone else will hate it, but this was the greatest comment of the day.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions
That was obviously meant in response to 1 pround terp.
Long day fighting ninja’s…
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not to add any more fuel to the fire
For the anti-Edsall crowd, but it looks as though David Mackall won’t be back with this program at all, not just against NC State. According to what I read, when Edsall was asked about reinstating Mackall for next season, he said “I don’t think that looks real promising right now.” So I don’t know if that means he did something so egregious that Edsall can’t allow him back, or the more likely Mackall isn’t buying in and has let it be known he’s out. Either way, kinda sucks, but not unexpected.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions
he was late to multiple team
meetings….when he was suspended for a game…he cussed out all the coaches..
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?!?!
Mackall’s gone?!?!? Forget everything I’ve said, I hate Edsall now too. You’re on your own, pal!!!!
by 1 proud terp on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Do we all agree that losing brings the worst out of all of us:
From the coaches to the players AND the fanbase?
Snake Pit
It’s not the snake pit because of the team…
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Survey Says...
Edsall has consistently looked overwhelmed on and off the field. He hasn’t proven he can out coach his peers, hire a quality staff, handle the press, massage the fan base, or recruit.
When it comes to discipline, I understand people like him cracking the whip and maybe that is part of what the program needed but he isn’t coming off well. Perception is reality and his current public perception has really turned a good part of fan base against him.
I want to support MD but I also don’t want to give my money to a AD who saw the financial situation, still decided it was prudent to buyout Fridge, and then sprinted to give a career .500 coach from UCONN 2m a year. Why not let Fridge go one year, most likely do worse, and then fire him with his salary off the books. Maybe we couldn’t have waited by why Edsall of all people? I still don’t see the allure there.
The smug, militaristic style both these men employ really turns me off but not as much as their poor decision making. I want to root for MD but these guys make it hard to root for them.
You can hold out hope these two will turn us into the Oregon of the East but I am not holding my breath on that one. I am not holding out hope that KA can select the right guy given a second chance
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 22, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions
less oregon style....
…more beamer stlye….5 year redshirts of the o-line and d-line are what makes a winner. first 2 years should be going to class…lifting weights….drinking protien shakes and training. Thats how you run a college football program. you don’t need 4-5 stars. you can use 2-3 stars and turn them into monsters while they also don’t get failed out.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
beamer style...spurrier style...bowden style...
Whatever style you choose I am not buying into Edsall style. He also burned up most of his red shirts this year if you are waiting for reinforcements. If you want to wait for this guy to polish 2-3 turds into diamonds go ahead. But think you will see more cases like Kenny Tate and DOB where he turns diamonds into turds.
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
tate hurt himself playing basketball before..
..the season. DOB doesn’t have torrey, laquan, yeatman…3 pros to catch his questionable passes. Torrey is the reason the ravens are in 1st place. WTF does that have to do with Edsall. The damn recievers drop every meaningful pass. makes it so you have to play cj.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 23, 2011 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
DOB
Has got to be one of the most frustrated QB’s in program history. You hit your guys in the hands over and over again only to have nothing caught and I have yet to see a clutch reception since the opener. Then you add a broken arm, this was a tough one for him.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Suspend the whole
Damn team, take a forfit, save $200K on the trip and avoid the humiliation on the field. Then RE can start it all over again next year. Even with all the BBall issues, BBall is still a giant breath of fresh air.
for now.....wait till february and then we'll see how fresh it is.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 23, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Funny how the whole story isn't always told
Now sure, they could obviously just be saying the right thing because they don’t want any discipline, it’s entirely possible. But it’s funny how the tweets above get posted, and not these that I’m about to post now. Sorry I’m not a pro because I have no idea how to screen cap the tweets, so you’ll have to deal with me typing it over…
Adrian Coxson 3 hours ago
“Sorry #TerpNation for the tweet earlier. tweeted prematurely about the situation with out knowing the facts. Lesson learned—Do what’s right”
“Had a talk with Edsal.. He only doing what’s rite for the team.. just gotta man up and take responsibility”
Davin Meggett 3 hours ago
“Usually pre mature tweets end up terrible. I hope the dude from the Washington post got the right message…..”
Torrey Smith 1 hour ago
“You gotta give edsall time to get HIS guys in..it’s tough getting folks to buy into something brand new..especially if it’s military like”
“And stop crying to fire the guy..before last year folks wanted friedgen gone..you got your wish…give edsall a fair chance”
Funny how some things get over looked…
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Wow...
…now those are the tweets of some fine young men
by Terpy Terperson on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good update
Although I will say, in Ben’s defense, these tweets came well after the original post—it isn’t like they were selectively ignored.
I don’t think Edsall is doing a good job as coach. I’m not confident he will lead Maryland to new and greater heights. But, while his military approach rubs me the wrong way as a fan (and I’d run far, far away if I was a player or recruit), I don’t really fault him for the Tyler incident. Rules need to be enforced. The rule might be stupid, but that just means it shouldn’t be a rule in the first place—not that it shouldn’t be enforced.
I’d also add—the fact that players will willing to come out publicly against Edsall is not a good sign. Even if they later recanted and said they agree with the move—wow, doesn’t seem like the relationship/respect is where it needs to be.
I didn't mean this as a slight to Ben
Trust me, I think Ben does a great job making this the best site on SB Nation, and I promise I’m not just saying that to suck up. He works hard as hell to keep up this site and I greatly appreciate it.
But I guarantee others saw it without saying anything. And even if they didn’t, people continue to jump to conclusion’s on things. Whether it was what has happened today, or when Tyler and McCree got suspended earlier, or when he sat Tate, etc. I understand things get magnified greatly when you lose, but it’s almost as if Edsall can do no right in some people’s opinions, and that’s unbelievably frustrating.
I really don’t know how you can hate on Edsall for suspending Tyler for not living up to his academic responsibilities. That isn’t something I think any coach should be willing to compromise on.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
I think a lot of people are fed up with Edsall for various reasons, and so he has lost the benefit of the doubt. Couple that with the fact that little information is ever revealed about suspensions, playing time issues, etc., and people start to side with the suspended or benched players—simply because in the absence of evidence, it is easier to assume that Edall is wrong.
Clearly, he isn’t wrong in all of these situations. But it really is up to him at this point to produce some tangible results to change the perception that he isn’t up to the job. The perception of incompetence (that seems to be accepted by the majority of the fanbase) wasn’t fabricated out of thin air. If he wants the benefit of the doubt again, he needs to appear competent, which can only be done by producing tangible results.
Agree
Winning is the only cure, as realistically it should be.
But as for him not having full disclosure, I like that he doesn’t. If I was a player on this team and got suspended, I wouldn’t like my coach going around and telling everyone that I suck academically or anything like that. To me that just shows he has the players back, even if it may not seem that way.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I'm okay with that too
It just means that we won’t have the full story, and so we either refuse to take sides and form an opinion (which is boring as shit), or we have to make a judgment without all of the facts.
And if I don’t have faith in the guy to run a successful football program, my initial reaction is going to be “welp, I bet Edsall was wrong here too.” Even if he wasn’t.
And like you said—if he wins (or to a lesser extent, brings in a good coordinator and lands some top recruits), people will start to trust him again. Then when he makes a controversial decision, people will give him the benefit of the doubt. As of now, I don’t think his track record necessarily entitles him to it.
the one thing about losing friedgen that pissed me off is that its almost the entire reason Torrey left
by Maryland1206 on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
i"m sure ben will man up and post these tweets .
he’s not an unreasonable fellow.
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by TERPLANDLORD on Nov 23, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like Edsall
threatened those guys with a whooping, no food, and a game suspension and got them in order!
ATTENTION INMATES: ANYONE WHO TWEETED REGARDING THE SITUATION OF INMATE 00004 EARLIER TODAY WILL IMMEDIATELY BE HELD WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER RATIONS UNTIL AFTER THE NC STATE GAME. IN ADDITION, A FIRM NIGHTSTICK BEATING WILL BE INSTITUTED IN YOUR DORMS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 23:00 AND 06:00 HOURS, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. FINALLY, ANY PARTICIPANT WHO REFUSES TO COOPERATE WILL BE HELD OUT OF THIS WEEKENDS GAME, FRESHMAN, SOPHOMORE, JUNIOR OR SENIOR, ALL WILL FACE THE SAME FATE.
by terp121 on Nov 23, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol dude...
You’re too much. Even though I agree with feartheturtle here, we need people of different opinions arguing about this. That’s the beauty of this site. That was funny.
by nmcvicker03 on Nov 23, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome
Doing what’s right for the TEAM. Outstanding post! I love that Torrey is stepping up too. He rocks, but I selfishly wish he’d stayed.
I feel bad for Tyler but he must have shit the bed on his last chance. RE mentioned earlier this season that he wanted to see guys that made mistakes come back and correct after dealing with the consequences. Looks like Tyler has some more growing to do.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
How many weeks ago was it the Edsall took Tyler and McCree with him on his dog and pony show?
….and had the two of them tell us how much better they were doing in the classroom. “Thanks to you, coach” Edsall’s such a joke….we can laugh or cry, and its getting to the point of laughter
that doesn’t even make sense. he gave the students a chance to improve after a major incident and there was a failure. had he kept them in the dog house the whole time there’d be numerous folks screaming about how he can’t forgive, he’s too much of a drill sergeant, or some other bs. he sticks to his guns, enforces the rules, brings Tyler back, helps to encourage then has to enforce again.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
You need to look at this individually, then you can look at the entire situation with Edsall
First, the Tyler situation: Face it, he screwed up, yet again. He’s been given multiple chances this year by Edsall, and once again he’s done something that has earned the Coach’s wrath. Tyler has only himself to blame for being suspended, and I’ll bet that if this was a “one time” situation, Edsall would have let him play. (and before anyone goes off on that statement, yes it is a big assumption). So, Edsall was in his right to suspend him.
Now, that being said, he (once again) handled the situation poorly in regards to TEAM. Based on the fact that the team tweeted earlier in the day seemingly against the coach (but I will say DOB’s and Meggett’s posts seemed to be expressing their disappointment in Tyler, and NOT the Coach), only to come out later in the day saying “Now that we have the facts, we support the coach’s decision”, it’s apparent that there was a team meeting later in the day hours after Tyler’s suspension was announced. And here is where I have an issue with how Edsall handled this: that team meeting should have been IMMEDIATELY after he met with Tyler telling him he was suspended so he could have gotten the facts to the TEAM. Edsall is not a fool, he KNOWS the players are frustrated and disappointed, more so than we are as a fan base. He KNOWS this was another issue that would add to that frustration. What he DOESN’T seem to get that is that in this day of mass media and social networking, the players (and the fan base) will INSTANTLY react and voice their frustrations, which is what eventually happened here. It’s human nature, rumors start, people talk, emotions are expressed. Without getting them the facts first, situations like this happen.
Bottom Line on this particular situation: Tyler was wrong and deserved to be suspended, but Edsall handled the personnel situation poorly in regards to the rest of the Team.
Now, the overall situation in regards to Edsall? Just another piece of evidence that he is a poor coach and an even worse leader. The coaching on the field, simply stated, STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN! We can blame assistant coaches all we want (and they deserve it, they’re even worse), but Edsall is still the captain of this ship, and he should be over-ruling poor coaching from his staff, end of story. Terrible play calling, poor clock management, installing the wrong schemes for each player’s strengths, not playing others based on the appearance that he simply doesn’t like them…, the list just keeps going on, and its evident every time the Terps take the field.
However, I understand that this team had to deal with new players with less talent than those who left last year, current player injuries, and players who simply and consistently under-performed. There was / is a perfect storm of issues this team had to deal with. I only hope Edsall understands OUR frustrations and disappointment in this team’s performance.
But Edsall’s LEADERSHIP appears even worse. Mediocre recruiting (so far), impressions that he is poorly handling personnel situations which has alienated the rest of the team, a history of “foot in mouth” syndrome with the media, lack of information for those outside of the program on team situations which has led to more rumors and speculation. THIS list is just as long.
Combine poor team performance with impressions that the team frustration has led to discontent with his leadership style? He has made it only harder on himself to turn this team around. I wish him all the luck in the world for next year, and hope beyond hope that he will establish a winning program at Maryland. He deserves that chance to try to overcome this season over the next few years, and I will support him for it. And we all know that having a winning team will silence ALL of our frustrations and let him run the team any damn way he feels like.
I support him and hope, but based on the evidence, both on and off the field, I doubt my hopes will come true. And my worry now is how long it will take the program to recover form his tenure…
Edsall reveals his big ego
From today’s Washington Post:
Edsall also spent a few minutes painting a picture of working in his office late Monday night watching with interest a television interview of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft. Kraft was talking about "The Patriots Way" and how he talks to each player they sign and lays out expectations in no uncertain terms.
"So I am sitting there and I am saying, ‘Wow, that’s all I am trying to do here at Maryland,’ " Edsall said. "And I said, ‘You know what, I must be doing something the right way because here is a guy, one of the most successful franchises in the NFL, basically saying the same things that I am saying and trying to instill here in this program.’"
Edsall may think like Kraft, but he’ll never match Belichick in the coaching department.
You would rather have a coach with no ego or confidence in himself?
All of the top coaches, both college and pro, have healthy egos. Aw shucks, niceguy coaches like Jim Zorn(or Mark Duffner) don’t last long. Winning changes perception and tolerance of egos. If/when Edsall becomes a winner here, I suspect you, along with most here, would see his ‘ego’ as an admirable trait.
BTW, seems like the Patriot way has been pretty successful, I could see why he’d want to try to emulate it here. I’m all for it, except for the videotape cheating and signing of team-killing, overweight, moody SOB nose tackles who think they are too good to play the run, and will pout when asked to, despite the fact that they’ve become independently wealthy for life for playing a damn game.
by 1 proud terp on Nov 23, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
A fault
So comparing yourself and your views one of the most successful programs of all time is a bad thing? I do not see how that is possible. I agree with 1 proud terp. Winning will make Edsall’s “ego” a huge plus.
+1
aspire to reach the levels of the successful and put your goals in line with their roadmap for success.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, I don't care about his statements
I just think they are pointless. You mean Edsall talks to each player he signs, and tells them what he expects from them? The Patriots do that too? Holy Shit!!! We’ve got the makings of a football dynasty!!!!
I know most people are just defending Edsall here because he was criticized for the comments—and that’s legit. But to pretend like these statements demonstrate anything about Edsall’s abilities is a stretch.
It's funny
Obviously Edsall’s approach is not just synonymous with college football or football in general. It implies to a variety of sports. Take Bruce Boudreau for example. And he’s actually considered a “player’s coach.”
From the Washington Post:
Joel Ward scratched for missing Capitals’ team meeting
By Katie Carrera
The accountability mantra continues for the Washington Capitals as Joel Ward will be a healthy scratch tonight against the Jets after missing a team meeting yesterday morning.
"I basically slept in, missed a team meeting so I’ve got to pay the consequences of not playing," Ward said. "It’s part of the team rules, it was written. I just made the mistake of sleeping in."
The Capitals held their first optional practice of the year yesterday but there was a team meeting prior to that session. Ward, 30, was sick earlier in the week but didn’t blame his tardiness on any lingering ill effects and said he simply didn’t set an alarm clock and arrived at KCI late.
"I understand," Ward said. "It is what it is."
Coach Bruce Boudreau said in previous instances he would have doled out fines to players for missing meetings unless it was "chronic."
"You don’t want to do it; he’s a good player but the rules have got to be the rules for everybody," Boudreau said. "It’s an unfortunate thing he overslept but he missed it. He understands the rules — he’s a good team guy. He feels bad about it but he knows the rules."
Ward being scratched means that both Alexander Semin and Mathieu Perreault will be in the Capitals’ lineup tonight against the Jets. As for the defense, John Erskine still isn’t ready to return after he fell on his surgically repaired shoulder so Jeff Schultz will remain in the mix.
Unfortunate
If he didn’t follow the rules, he has to suffer the consequences. Feel bad for the kid, but the rules are the rules. I have had enough of this season. Not a fan of Edsall at all but can’t fault him for sticking to his rules (as ridiculous as they may or may not be).
Ready for the hoops team this winter and then hopefully get some sort of good news for recruiting for the next football season. Speaking of recruiting, has anyone heard anything about recruits already committed to Maryland having second thoughts? I have to wonder if the idea of going to a different school has crossed their minds.
I’m as disgusted with the 2011 football season as anyone else…one way we have to look at it is that it will only get better next year, right?
by WaltWilliamsFan on Nov 23, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions
National Championship
Would be nice to bring home another championship in Men’s Soccer!
by LowcountryTerp1 on Nov 23, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions
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