Stoglin Leads Terps Past Seahawks in Turgeon's Debut, 71-62
by Ben Broman on Nov 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST
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PrintTerrell Stoglin scored 22 points, Ashton Pankey and James Padgett combined for 25 points and 15 rebounds, and the Maryland Terrapins defeated the UNC-Wilmington Seahawks in Mark Turgeon's coaching debut, 71-62.
The scoreline was probably a bit closer than Maryland was comfortable with, but the Terps did show some flashes, particularly in the post with strong performances from both Pankey and Padgett. There's plenty to work on early in Turgeon's tenure - halfcourt offense has to be at the top of that list - but hey: they're undefeated. If there's ever a time to play the optimist, it's now.
There was a pretty big surprise in the starting lineup: Stoglin actually started the day on the bench, passed over by Nick Faust and Mychal Parker. The move seemed more or less symbolic, as Stoglin entered the game three minutes later and ended up logging more minutes than anyone else on the team (33). I can't help but wonder if Turgeon might've been trying to send a message with that, or if he simply realized the team needed Stoglin's scoring ability. Knowing him, he's likely to actually tell us.
It sort of looked like the basketball team was taking lessons from their gridiron counterparts, starting out slow and falling behind 7-2 early trailing at the first media timeout. Unsurprisingly, they fought back and, on the back of 14 first-half points for Stoglin, took a 32-27 lead into halftime. Maryland opened things up in the second half a bit, building the lead up to as large as 14, but a late UNC-W charge brought the Seahawks to within 6 in the final minute. A few clutch free throws by Faust and Stoglin, though, sealed the deal.
At the end of the day, the big worry for Maryland has to be the half-court offense, namely turnovers and shooting. They had nine turnovers at half compared to only three assists, and the final line of 13 TOs to 7 assists wasn't much better. It's tough to win when you have twice as many giveaways as assists, after all. On the shooting front, they made only one jumper (non lay-up/post shot) in the first half, which was 1-15 by my count; they finished 5-28. Part of that had to do with poor shooting, but they also failed to run plays to get open shots. What shots they did get ended up being contested or forced more often than not.
The offense started to click a bit more in the second half, when good defense allowed them to get out and run. Maryland is still a team of athletes, and they still look at home in transition. That creates an interesting problem: they don't have the depth to ever get into a track meet with any team, but their half-court offense left a ton to be desired. That'll be an interesting juggling act.
If you're looking for a positive, the post players delivered. (Who would've thought that?) They dominated the boards and were generally able to score inside when they wanted to. Especially impressive was Padgett, who seems to have really taken a leap in the offseason. Normally a bit tentative in the post, he was very forceful tonight and showed off both a bit of toughness and some skill. He finished with 12 points and 7 boards (6 of those offensive), and even dropped two impressive dimes. It's early and only UNC-Wilmington, but if this is Padgett for the year, he's a very pleasant surprise.
So, too, is Pankey, who looks like Maryland's strongest physical player. His offensive game was a nice surprise, and his numbers were actually better than Padgett's across the board, finishing with 13 and 8. He showcased a nice little turnaround jumper, some Padgett-esque garbage work on the inside, and even made all three of his free throws. Again, I know we haven't seen them against an elite big yet, but this was as good a performance as I would've dared to have hope for.
The guards, perceived by many as the strength before the game, actually disappointed a bit. Stoglin, for what it's worth, still played plenty of point, and looked better than he did in the exhibition in avoiding over-dribbling (except one pretty critical turnover late in the game). He still did force the issue a bit, but that happened more when he was functioning as a 2-guard. He finished as Maryland's leading scorer with 22 points, but was also 6-16 from the field and had a 1:4 A/TO ratio. I don't think Turgeon loves his game, but there's not much choice but to play him major minutes.
Faust was at point a fair amount as well, but not exclusively. He looked fine, but he certainly wasn't expected to make a big impact in play-making, anyway. He does need to work on being a bit more forceful in making himself available when a teammate is in trouble, but that will come with time. In all honesty, the love affair probably didn't kick into full gear tonight, but he was more or less as good as you'd expect for a freshman making his debut off his natural position. He looked a bit jittery and ended up only 1-4 from the floor, with the lone bucket being a baseline dunk. He did get to the line consistently, but shot only 5-9 from the stripe. (To his credit, he nailed two big freebies late in the game, hopefully an indication of a clutch predilection.)
The real surprise for Faust was just how well he played defensively. He's 6-6, athletic, and has long arms, which made him a nightmare for UNC-Wilmington's smaller guards. He finished with three steals and a block, and was the man upon whom Turgeon looked to stop the Seahawks' Adam Smith down the stretch. I mentioned earlier that Faust doesn't lack any offensive skill; I certainly didn't expect him to have the potential to be an elite defender, too. His six rebounds weren't shabby, either.
Parker and Mosley were the other big contributors, but I don't think either did much more or less than you would've expected. Mosley's four turnovers were worrisome, but past that he was the same impressive defender and hard worker he's always been. Parker will draw plaudits, and I did think played okay, though he wasn't a particularly big surprise for me: he was athletic, made a free throw, and converted a tough-but-potentially-lucky shot.
Again, it was a bit closer than I think anyone felt comfortable with, but I've seen worse. Now the focus switches to the Puerto Rico Tip-Off, and trying to snag an upset win over #17 Alabama. See you then.
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Going to be a rough season...
no problem. The future is bright.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 13, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions
Coach said...
Post game radio interview when asked who will be the starting PG, and about Stoglin not starting: Nick had a poor night and didn’t seem comfortable nor focused, and if Stoglin “comes prepared to practice hard”, Stoglin will be the starting point.
Ben, I think this may answer the question about Terrel not starting tonight: practice habits?
by Terp2B on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"you're talkin 'bout practice"
gotta earn that respect iverson
by Turgeonator on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
ha
Nice.
I mean what are we talkin about here. A practice. Not a game. A practice.
Muggsy -- 2,318 career NBA rebounds.
by Muggsy Bogues on Nov 14, 2011 1:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing but good things to say about tonight.
I really really liked everything I saw tonight. The turnovers were annoying, but it’s the first game in a new system with a new coach. Faust had a rough night shooting, but that’s something that will just get better with volume of shots. He really really impressed me with his defense though. Dude has a knack for getting in passing lanes. More importantly, though, WHAT’S UP BIGS? I loved the way our bigs played tonight. Good night everybody. I’m on the top of the world, as I am every November when basketball rolls around. Fight fight fight for Maryland.
by ThizzinInAHalfshell on Nov 13, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Not all bad
The Bama game will be telling though. I think if we can slow the tempo up and drastically improve in teh half-court, it’ll be a game; we have the talent and our bigs looked gooood
Just got back from the game. A couple things Ben didn’t mention:
*Weijs was pretty limited, getting in foul trouble early and ending up with 11 mins. He looked decent and a lot more comfortable than last year.
*Parker showed some great hustle diving for a loose ball at midcourt and getting it to Stoglin(?) for a transition score.
*Walk-ons Auslander and Thomas combined for 9 minutes… not really noticable but at least neither had a TO.
*Turgeon seemed to be subbing multiple players very frequently, like almost every dead ball. Dunno if its for matchups, or an agressive rest strategy, but it was rare to see a player out for more than 2-3 minutes at a time.
also there were certain rebounds Pankey had that looked incredibly solid- up high in traffic and vacumn locking it
it will be an asset to have his rebounding and his offense and foul shooting look pretty dang good allready
Neal 2.0
minus the 3-point shooting
by bloodwatermission on Nov 14, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Remember...
How bad we played against Seattle last year. We’ll get it fixed.
by ValiantVasquez on Nov 13, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions
Um...
Did we get fixed last year? Hint – Didn’t make NCAA Tournament. Didn’t make NIT.
But I do agree we’ll get fixed. Not sure it will be this year, but this year will be a stepping stone for next year. And on.
* Maryland basketball has been a sleeping Giant. The Giant is waking up.
** It goes without saying, that if Maryland basketball was a sleeping Giant, whoever was at the helm before, put it to sleep.
by CharlesDriesell on Nov 13, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
surprised in a good way
Parker, Padgett, and Pankey are really stepping up!! I was surprised Stoglin didn’t start, and I thought his points were quiet tonight. Definitely still a second half team though. And Mosley’s blocks were SICK! Still a lot to work on, but we do have a lot of talent to work with
more >> http://bit.ly/t7vgLQ
Killer Ps !!!
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Nov 14, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
Now nickname will start to take hold
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Nov 14, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
Some things don't change
The Terps were 0-9….. OH FOR NINE…. from 3pt range….
AND there team wing defense was weak….
stoglin kept hitting really longs 2's that should have been 3's.
Well, not a ton, but at least 2 that I can remember, maybe more.
overall our outside shooting was horrible
not really coming down on the team, luck just wasnt on out side tonight
Lets gooo Maryland
Dino and JW avg. about 26 points and 18 reb per game
It’s quite possible that our front court this year might come close to those numbers this year with padget and pankey. Neither is as good as williams, but it is possible that the pair of them might not actually drop off too much statistically. Considering Len and Weiss will likely produce more than the Weiss and Padget of last year (or at least comparable) our front court is really not going to be that bad. At least not based off of the exhibition game and 1st game of the season.
Its easy to look decent against UNC-W's "bigs"
Their big guys were around Sean Mosley’s height, maybe an inch or two taller. Let’s wait until we play an actual team before saying they should be able to replace whatever Jordan/Dino averaged.
Their two starting bigs
were 6-8 and 6-9, with three guys 6-10 or taller getting minutes as well. Mosley is listed 6-4 (and might be closer to 6-3). Your point is still reasonable, but let’s not minimize their accomplishment too much.
Very pleased with Padgett
and the offensive rebounds he had. He has the best post moves out of our big men, which could be a good thing or a bad one.
We all know nate britt was at the game
But I didn’t know layman and Allen were as well. And apparently layman was chatting with him after the game , per @Jakob_ Engelke on twitter. If anyone else has reported this then sorry I’m late.
any news on Britt?
any posters at the game?
by bloodwatermission on Nov 14, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
i think we need to have a reserved section
for recruits to sit with kevin plank during the games
by (adm)iregary on Nov 14, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Parker showed intelligence.
Thats why he was a surprize for me. Don’t mean that to sound bad, but playing basketball is much more than athleticism. Smart players make huge differences in success. Parker showed some good smarts in the second half that I was important to thier improved offensive play in the second half, particularly in half court. Lets hope that continues!!
I really liked that alley dunk he had
on the fast break, after he made a nice initial pass to Mosely in transition. Showed good control there and then finished it. That’s the athleticism he brings to the game that we all know he has, but actually used correctly. I think by the end of the year he will be completely different than anything we saw last year
i thought the opposite of parker
everytime he touched the ball i got nervous. i really dont like it when he is in the game. additionally, i want faust to learn to be much more aggressive. stogs always frustrates me but he does put up points so i have to learn to live with 40% and some bad shots but 25 pts. pankey and padge were straight dominant, great to see. mos is even better defensively than we remembered. all in all, pretty happy
I think Parker was somewhere in the middle
Is he an ACC caliber starter? um, no. But compared to last year, I thought he has made significant strides. I agree that there are serious gaps that he still needs to work on, but last year he seemed utterly clueless and lost. His current deficincies while needing to be fixed as fast as possible are still an improvement over last year.
I hope he improves defensively. He wasn’t awful, but he’s nearly as athletic as Faust and at a similar size, yet Faust was way more effective and active defensively than Parker. Again, not horrible, but if we had Parker playing as strong defensively as Mosely and Faust, we’d start to have the beginnings of a really strong defensive squad.
I think we can suprised a lot of people if...
the shooters can build good consistency, forcing teams to respect them and giving a lot more opportunities for our bigs. We only need to beat the teams we should beat (as i suspect we won’t be underestimating anyones capaility to beat us) and snag a couple upsets and we could be tourny-bound. .. won’t be easy at all but with all the unknown there’s a chance that we could shock even ourselves. Plus i think comcast alone can get us a few acc upsets
Don't set the bar too high
Especially for the first half of the season. If we get out of OOC play without losing any of the games we aren’t supposed to lose, I’ll be happy. I’m not raising my hopes without due reason.
oh by no means should we raise hopes
but I think we have the capability to be better than expected. If we can show stability from our questionable positions and not blow too many early games, Turgeon’s teams seem to do better ad better over time, and think this will continue to show throughout the season. I just hope that wins will come along with that
He looks really impressive
He was a good get out of HS before he got injured, but he looks like a stud/top-100 type talent for sure. So happy that he is only a RS Freshman right now.
I thought he actually looked better in the exhibition game
but yeah, really happy to have both Pankey and Padget this year. Hope they can keep it up and maybe even continue to improve (not many reasons they shouldn’t either)
In case people didn't see,
Vanderbilt lost to Cleveland St pretty handily tonight. Know they are going to be a solid team this year with a lot returning but always thought they were a little overrated at #7 preseason.
While a lot of us would be happy with a showing against Alabama this year similar to that of what we had against Illinois/Pitt last year, I really want us to finally break through and win one of those games. I know this is a different team this year, but I think we could pull it off, let’s do it. This game was good and bad, but I saw enough that I think we can be anywhere from missing the NIT to fringe NCAAT.
If we're able to pull off an upset this year,
it’ll be during ACC play, against a team like Clemson or NC State. We’ll catch them taking us lightly before they play a Fla St. type team. Problem is, the same applies to us when we play a team we should definitely beat. That’s what we REALLY need to guard against.
ESPNU
looking at our schedule we have an unusual # of games on ESPNU this year, just for people not local to know. In addition to Duke on ESPN both times and almost every other game at least on ESPN3.
Padge led us in assists
Which is both awesome (for him) and pathetic (for our guards). And our perimeter passing was just downright lazy- if we get picked this much against UNC-W, I shudder to think what it’ll look like against a real team. Hope they tighten that up as the offense starts to take shape.
I also have more hope for Parker this year- he can still be cringeworthy at times, but some kids need PT for things to really set in. He’ll get that by default this year, so let’s hope he stays focused.
by Nihonterp on Nov 14, 2011 1:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
however pathetic it is,
in any game if he’s leading us in assists it proves he’s at least over most of his erratic jitters when touching the ball ever. He’s looking good at least
Sorry, But...
Nobody should get props for leading the team in assists, when they lead with TWO assists…
Best Play of the night?
1:54 – Weiss’s one handed dunk OR
2:27 – Parker’s alley oop dunk OR
Unfortunately not shown – either one of Mosely’s blocks, especially the one in the last minutes that he sent several rows deep out of bounds.
Padgett
Padgett was the number two recruit from Lincoln when GW was interested in Stephenson. I always thought Padgett was better than he played under Gary. There was a disconnect there. I think with Jordan gone Padgett won’t feel like the runner up or some other psych out thing. He’s got range and determination. The Terps would be very lucky if he and Parker step up. I stopped dreaming about Torian Graham. Just a hunch that it’s too late in the game. That’s ok. They can run a fast offense next year with more up front support. Some banging bodies never hurt.
Meanwhile Belmont took Duke to the closing bell. Remember a half dozen years ago Belmont came to Comcast and played us deep. And no one even knew who they were. Times have changed.
Stogs
Still shoots way too much. How many assists did he have as point guard playing 33 mins?
1
and 3 turnovers.
not the leader we need right now and i wonder if he realizes this
Lets gooo Maryland
He needs to play to his strengths
He is not a passing point guard, if he tries to be he’s likely just going to have a ton of turnovers. Stoglin and Faust are the only ones who can get their shot anyway. Who is Stoglin passing to exactly?
by SeattleTerp on Nov 14, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Stoglin had to be a scorer last night. If he doesn’t take that many shots, we might not win the game. Especially since Faust was having much difficulty scoring.
Also, while he was 6-16, don’t ignore how much he got to the line as well by being aggressive. Granted that several of those were garbage fouls at the end, he still draws a lot of contact. He also seemed to settle some and get into a better rythym with decision making by the 2nd half.
i applaud gary, but he always held certain players back who had the chance to be special. parker and padgett being among them. expected more from padgett this season, but not like last night. hope he keeps it consistent. they both still have a lot of room to grow.
pankey is making me proud as my sleeper pick for this season. stoglin still shoots far more than last year. getting a bit concerned. faust is a natural 2 and turgeon would be smarter to keep faust there no matter what. the transition to point and forcing him to focus on the operation of the team may cut into his offensive mentality for his complete career. he definitely wasn’t the same guy attacking as he was in the exhibition game. stoglin has got to pass more. period.
always held back certain players who had the chance to be special?
have to be kidding us….even if it was the case for a couple of players through all his years as HC, that S happens once in a while. HC are not perfect. Heck, we’ve seen it at HS level, college level, etc. on a few occasions. Coaches that do that all the time wind up not being coaches any more. Most HC can pick out their best players for the team and find a way to play them. There was a guy on my HS team who was on the bench getting minimal minutes from the HC. I thought inside that he should start. Know what? He didn’t he transferred and became all-county at his next HS. It happens, but not that much.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Nov 14, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
ok 'special' is probably too strong a word haha...
but clearly perform better than their careers have shown. whether they didn’t work in his system or they were playing in the doghouse there have been a few who if given more opportunity could’ve potentially parlayed that into a 2 year nba stint or so.
i think they'll be better
once they integrate everyone and roles are better established. weijs is needed inside too. len’s on suspension. howard is out. parker is learning to fill in. going to be a long season. depth is going to kill them, otherwise i would’ve predicted NiT or even a bubble conversation ncaa team [not actually making it, but in discussion].
Is there a download link to watch the entire game?
http://www.youtube.com/user/GoTerps2012
ACC Network
Just go to the ACC network and you’ll find it
Don't play with MY TERPS
by Jaybezel2 on Nov 14, 2011 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to high not to Low
We’ll be ok when we get Len back, & P’shon gets healthy.Remember guys this is a whole new system no more of that tired flex. Our best out side shooter is being asked to play out of position. When nick gets of the ball you’ll see better outside shooting
Don't play with MY TERPS
by Jaybezel2 on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Crowd Thoughts (and other $.02)
I was very disappointed in the crowd last night overall.
While the student sections at courtside were 80%, the student ‘wall’ section was maybe at 10% (the student section behind the home basket in the second half was nearly empty). I realize that this was ‘only’ UNC-W, but it’s the first game of the season (and we hope, a new regime) and I thought that the students (and alumni, for that matter) should have showed up in better numbers. The Skins lost early, the Ravens were looking crappy – there shouldn’t have been that much competition for fans’ interest.
Turgeon came out almost stealthily – I’m used to Gary getting the backstage camera – but thought that that was a good idea. When it was noticed that he came out, fans gave him a half-standing ovation. I don’t think that anyone in the upper deck knew that he came out.
The crowd was mostly subdued most of the game – even when UNC-W got within 6 at the end of the game, there didn’t seem to be much emotion/urgency from the crowd. You could clearly hear players calling for the ball or communicating… on the one hand, it’s good that they’re communicating, on the other, if I can hear them clearly from 75 feet away (specifically, Bino ripping on Faust for a defensive rotation in the second half), that’s not a positive indication on crowd noise. Sure, there were the bursts and cheers for the ‘oops and the other dunks/blocks, but in general, it seemed to be a very lackluster performance. Maybe that rubbed off on the players since I didn’t see a lot of emotion from them save for Padgett in the paint and Weis on the bench (that dude has great spirit when not in the game).
Hopefully, the students will come out with more force and we alumni can also help pick up that slack.
Other things I noticed -
No graphics whatsoever for assistant coaches during pre-game introductions. I think that the students are trying to figure out what to yell out for the assistants – believe that they thought Bino would be announced last (he was second) and they were caught off-guard.
They moved the band from the corner one section over to behind the second half away basket. I’m not sure if that’s a good idea as it leaves less room for the signs in the second half that are distributed. There was better sound (and the band’s fascination with Lady Gaga continues), but didn’t agree with the move overall.
There is no way to wall was at 10%. I was sitting at the bottom of it, and from the few times I turned around and looked up it definitely seemed closer to half full than 10%. Looking around at the side student sections I didn’t see an open seat, so I’d say that was a little higher than 80% too.
by hockeyman33 on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Agree to Disagree
My seats are in on the opposite side from the Wall – right next to the visitor’s team tunnel (about 15 feet away). From the TV perspective, I’m at the 10 o’clock position.
I saw the robot from Futurama (great costume) was about five rows up from the floor-level seats and there were about 50-75 people in seats behind him him. A few of the alums that I sit next to commented on the lack of students on that wall, which is why I looked. While I’ll admit that 10% might be a bit of a low estimate, there was no way it was anywhere close to half.
With regards to the other sections, the corner student section to my left (corner behind the MD bench) was nearly empty; the section behind the home basket in the second half had maybe 50 people in it (the girl that won the ‘Dance for Your Dinner’ in the second half was in said section). The section of students that’s right near where Turgeon came out didn’t have anybody in that corner either.
Regardless of specifc semantics, it was a poor crowd both in terms of numbers and energy – students and alumni both need to step up.
i mean
your just wrong. i sat at the top of the wall and it was almost totally full the first half. a lot of people left at half time but i cant really blame them. attendance for bball is not a problem at all. we will fill up for ACC game no problem
I estimate the wall was at like 75% peak, 25% at minimum…. I’d say overall student turnout of 75%-80%, which is much better than the rest of the crowd, which was in the 30%s….
I think the band’s move was okay, better sound for most of the arena. For the exhibition game I sat at the bottom of the wall and suprise, ended up directly behind the drummer. Needless to say my ears were ringing for a few hours afterwards…
They had a bunch of new signs that they distributed for 2nd half free throws…. and they were HUGE. I don’t think I like them, they require multiple people to hold up & they block the view of people behind them. Whether out of laziness or ignorance, several of the signs were sitting on the ground harmlessly during free throws.
Did a little research
Listed attendance last night was over 12K. In comparison, Texas A&M (ranked #19) played last night at home and drew 5,500.
Everyone wants the place packed, and that will come with wins and ACC games, but from Turge’s perspective, let’s remember a weak crowd for us is more than double a weak crowd at Texas A&M.
There was not 12000
They must of counted the no show season ticket holders. There were between 5 or 6000 people there.
Yes, the crowd was lacking, but eyc_9's estimates are definitely on the low side
He’s got a point. Crowd was not good. Frankly it rarely is for the first game even when the team was good. (Year after the national championship being an obvious exception).
Size of crowd though? lower student bowl was near full. Wall was definitely 50%+
Many holes in the paid section. We’ve all seen better and will definitely hope for better soon.
I was hoping for better being Turgeon’s first game ever, but meh. Crowd might have even been better for the exhibition game. Maybe it was the crappy late Sunday night start time?
It will improve, especially when the ACC season rolls around and especially if we actually start to win a few games we’re not supposed to.
Good and Bad
Good: Faust’s D, Stoglins Scoring, Front Court play
Bad: Team shooting, shot selection, offensive flow
Its going to be a rough season, at least til MVPe and Len are back, but I think it will be pretty cool to see what Turg is all about and what Faust can become.
Fire Turgeon!!!
This is unacceptable blah blah blah… Kevin Anderson…. fire…… edsall….. idiot…
Just getting this in early lol. Of course this is a joke.
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