Edsall's strict approach
I wish we could all move on from the Edsall topic and just support the program without negativity or fighting, so hopefully this is my last post on the matter. But a lot of people against Edsall have brought up that they don't like his military like approach and how it is believed there is discontent in the locker room.
But to me, what really stands out is what Quintin McCree said to the media today. For those who may not remember, McCree is a senior WR who had the biggest game of his career against FSU this season, but was also suspended for a couple games along with Ronnie Tyler for getting in trouble at a 7-11 I believe. Some took issue with the suspension and pointed it's just another example of how he's losing the locker room.
From what McCree said, I don't think that could be further from the truth. “Just the fact that you’ve got to make the right decisions,” McCree said. “That’s what I learned from it. That is probably the turning point of decisions in my life. You’ve got to really control your actions and what you do. Since then, things have been straightforward. I’ve been focused on football, trying to stay on the right track and out of trouble. Just do the right things really.” Hat tip to IMS for transcribing it all, and if you're not on IMS as well as this site, I'm not sure what you're doing.
Sure McCree is only one player who is talking to the media, wanting to say the right things. It wouldn't be the first time I've looked like I fool in my life, but I believe what he says. Edsall is having a positive impact on these student-athletes and helping to reshape their lives. There are going to be a handful of players that aren't happy, that's what happens every time there's a coaching change. We could've brought in Joe Gibbs and there would be guys that were unhappy in the locker room. So there are positives beyond the wins and losses, you may just have to look for them. That doesn't excuse the record for this season, but it does make me feel better about the future.
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i agree 100% FTT2002
I wanted to give you credit for your comments the other day but got caught up. You made good points in your argument and you didn’t sound like your an apologist. Your stance on Edsall is basically the same as mine and i couldn’t have said a word you wrote any better. Especially about Edsall on the recruiting trail and local recruiting. IMO, local recruiting is in better shape than it was in the last regime. So, there is the Dematha and EJ Levenberry thing, but lets be honest. who wouldn’t trade a bad Dematha relationship for a good relationship with Good Counsel, Quince Orchard, Damascus, Dunbar, Gilman, Calvert Hall , Friendship Collegiate Academy, etc ? And then again lets discuss the Dematha/Levenberry situation. 1) Edsall did build a good relationship with DM earlier this year. WAPO or the sun had an article talking about how hes been hitting the trail hard and how often hes been to DM, GC, and QO. In fact, UMD was top 2 for DM starting DE Brent Wilkerson before he popped for Penn st, and Sam Lebbie was in serious consideration before his grades were found out. 2) DM’s head coach quit and left for some job at Gilman which helped us now that i think about it. 3) Ej Levenberry transferred from DM to early for Edsall could recruit, because there were rumors after last season that the coach was leaving. Another thing I’d like to talk about is this perception that Edsall’s strict approach doesn’t relate to recruits of today, which is completely FALSE! It seems to be only a problem with fans because contrary to popular belief he has been well received by kids , coaches and parents . If this were true, why are recruits saying thing like " i like his style" or " he’s trying to build something down there". Wes Brown tried to shake his hand after a TD during the GC/Gilman game for Christ sake, DURING A GAME!!!!! He has had at least 2 visitors to each home game. and lets talk about the parents and coaches . On ims they were talking about Cyrus Jones’ and his top 5, some asshole said " why would Cyrus want to play for a hard ass like Edsall". Well, Cyrus Jones’ father is a hard ass, and so is Gilman’s coach. Eddie Goldman’s father is strict, and so is his coach. Hell, Noah Spence’ s father is 100% military. here is Stefon Diggs ,“my mother loves Randy Edsall”. On friday he payed yet another visit to QO to see Marcus Newby a hard hitting 2013 LB. Here is QO’s coach on Newby, “hes been down here in the spring , visited in the summer and was down at one of there 2 a days before the season”. Cyrus Jones said that Bama is his favorite, but lets be serious even if we went undefeated would you have expected different. good news hes down to 5 and UVA is out, he will take all his visits, i think, and we will have our shot. Stefon Diggs , i wouldn’t say a leader for him cause hes very different and is going through the process as such. Eddie Goldman to fsu, sorry cant win them all. Noah Spence,? UMD is definately still in it, where are they ??? Penn st seems like the leader , is it true , like i said? Someone said that DJ Reader was a ‘runaway" UMD lean, but now Clemson and UNC are gaining. well, he will be on his official visit this weekend or next, and the only reason those 2 are as high as they are is because he wants to play baseball. UNC and clemson have good baseball programs, but we do have a pretty good coach so i here. Abner Logan will officially visit in december. Now of course like Ben has said, recruiting is a result based game. Thats fair and this recruting class needs at least on of those big fish to pop for us. He is putting in alot of work and continues to do without the credit he deserves for it. I likes Fridge but i seriously doubt we’ d be this far with him. I mean when Don Brown left everyone thought that Florida recruiting was over, well he has 3 Florida prospects considering UMD hard. I also want to express some feelings about Mike Leach. Now Edsall was not my first choice either, but can we please bury this Leach thing. I can’t stand when someone says that he’d be doing ten times better , recruiting would be better, the fans would be more excited. 1) please give me evidence to support this theory . Like fear the turtle said, our offense and Leach’s arent that different. The difference is Leach basically doesn’t use RB’s, so if you dont think DJ likes being on thbench alone now then hire Leach and he’ll have company. 2) How would recruiting be better , Leach’s recruiting reputation wasnt good either. Actually if he did get hired Tyler Cierski wouldn’t be here, Marcus Leak and someone else would have left. 3) maybe he would have brung a bit more excitment to the fanbase, I’ll take that. But if he did get hired , and his season turned out like this , would people feel the same way? Another thing i want to ask is about KA. Besides the Edsall thing and his public speaking, what has he done wrong? He left his booth to ride with Andrew Gonnella to the hospital and spent the night with him in Georgia, and contacted his father. How many AD’s would even consider that, and people actually gave him grief about being on the field. He has put threw plans to renovate the team house , new football fields turf, and an indoor practice facility. I think he got a new deal with UA done. He addresses the fanbase directly, and shows how committed he is to all the sports. He hired the Turg and that wasnt even his first choice. So , can someone fill me in on why he should be fired , please thanx.
Like I said in a previous post, after the temple game, there are a few things that I don’t like. The DJ Adams not playing, Kenny Tate at linebacker, Not adjusting to in game situations . And the recent comments about DOB are discouraging. No do rags and names on the back of jerseys imho are petty and meaningless things that shouldn’t even be taken into consideration during coach analysis , so i don’t pay mind to those things. He did say something negative about not having enough talent , that is a little far . But he is right and didn’t Turge basically do the same thing so no big fuss from me. Him yelling at Nick Ferrara after he turned away from him, that needed to be done. I’m sorry but if a coach is addressing a player and that player turns his head , why shouldn’t the coach jump down his throat? Edsall does have to grow out of some of his ways and fast if he wants to succeed at UMD. With that said , so do the players and need to have some pride. Sometimes you just have to pull it together, stop griping, motivate yourself and others around you. If Dj Adams was walking up and down the sideline trying to fire up the team, into the game from the sidelines instead of sulking on the bench, do you think he’d still wouldn’t get time , i don’t. if Wuj or Moten was on this team the defense would be alot better. Not just from a performance stand point, but motivational as well. They would be talking trash, keeping people into the game. A team without any vocal leaders in my book is not good by no means.
chris, you and turtle 2002 are aces
discipline does play a part in all our lives. The amount, and how it’s learned, are key. I hope coach keeps teaching and looks out for the guys. Much like a parent, the players will know if it’s in their best interest and he really cares – they’ll sense it in his actions. Let’s hope coach forms strong bonds with most players.
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I appreciate it.
It’s nice to see it’s not all negative on here, haha. I get where everyone is coming from on both sides, I just want to make sure a different side is presented because it’s definitely a part of the discussion.
And fatchris you said some excellent stuff and right on point with where I’ve been. Edsall hasn’t been innocent throughout this whole process, but 8 games in is way too short for this type of criticism. I still believe in him and love the work he’s putting in. I really believed him when he said this was his dream job, and he’s certainly been backing it up with his actions. The record sucks, but with the work he’s putting in I’d be shocked if we didn’t get better in a hurry.
My guess is a middling bowl next year, followed by the Champs Sports or Chik-Fil-A the following year, followed by serious ACC Contenders. It might be slowe than some might want, but he’s going about building this program the right way.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
if we get Champs or Chik-Fil-A next season
I will travel again…but I think it’s too optimistic. I would guesstimate by year 3 – more achievable a goal.
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Timeline is wrong
I meant to say middling bowl next year, Chick-Fil-A or Champs the year after, and ACC contenders after that and beyond. That to me is the way to BUILD your program. And make no mistake, this is a building situation.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
And despite the trials and tribulations of this season, I do believe those are very attainable goals to set. And it is a building situation. RE better look out for his guys. In the end, regardless of whatever opinions we espouse here, if they stick together good things can happen.
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by bball purist on Nov 2, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
PS
The way Gary circled the wagons after the Valentine’s Day Massacre of 2001 was masterful. Just he had way more talent and no injuries to go with it. Them against the world was a beautiful thing to watch in person. Vim and Vigor all the way – GW the fireball – lol.
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one humble request Chris
The next time you make a comment this long, please break it into more paragraphs. :-)
Other than that, I agree.
Nice comment Chris – nice post FtT2002.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
I am beyond happy that someone posted this
In Edsall we trust. Aka, long term results>short term results
fatchris
Your post is way too long. Seems like you are going to publish this as a book and not a fansite post.
It is long, but necessary
There is a lot of info to talk about, and everything he said is relevant. Would’ve liked to have seen it broken up into a few more paragraphs, but really good info regardless.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Good info.
I’m not a pro-Edsall guy (yet), but I do appreciate getting all sides of the story. This is an important aspect of coaching that we have neglected to discuss at length on this site.
FTT02, I appreciate you making this post
But I would like to apply a caveat to one of your comments.
But a lot of people against Edsall have brought up that they don’t like his military like approach and how it is believed there is discontent in the locker room.
Some took issue with the suspension and pointed it’s just another example of how he’s losing the locker room.
I don’t really remember there being an outrage at the suspensions of McCree and Tyler. They broke team rules, got in trouble with the law, and were justifiably punished. I’m too lazy to search for quotes from other posters to support this, so I’ll just share my feelings on the matter. I think a lot of the anger at Edsall’s militaristic approach springs from benching of DJ Adams and the subsequent no explanation. And also the banning of hats, dorags, earrings, etc. I think to many it speaks of a generational gap and possibly, to a lesser degree, a cultural one as well.
But again, thank you for taking the time to post this. It was enlightening. And if the Coach has gotten through to McCree and McCree has truly learned a lesson and is not just giving lip service, than I applaud Edsall on a job well done. Maybe the athletic department should hire you on to be Edsall’s PR guy? I think one of his biggest problems thus far (aside from losing) has been his inability to communicate and navigate the minefield that can be the fanbase/media.
I hear you
And agree with what you are saying.
But the first thing as it pertains to the suspensions, I don’t remember a ton of backlash at the time. There were some who jumped the gun and were mad at about it at first until it was released what they were actually suspended for, at least in Tyler’s case. But as time wore on and losses piled up, it was definitely something the some turned to as a reason for him losing the locker room. But this post was more of a positive thing Edsall is doing than to prove all the naysayers wrong.
As for his handling of the media, I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. I’m tired of living in a world where everyone and their mother has to be politically correct about everything. While he’s been blunt about what he says, he means it and doesn’t hide it. I love that. And I think there are some who took what he said too literally or took it in a way he didn’t mean it, at least in my opinion. When he spoke on the fans, he was right, we should be there no matter what. When he talked about DOB yesterday, all he was doing was taking the blame for not taking enough pressure off him. Sure he could’ve said it differently, but he said what he meant. I love that about a coach, I don’t want the same scripted lines everytime. I want to know what someone is really thinking, and that’s what Edsall does.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
While I agree with mostly everything
I disagree on one point RE made, and you and many others agree with. I do not believe it is a realistic view to expect all fans of MD to blindly support the team regardless of the team’s W-L for a given season. Yes, I’m more in the die hard group, but he knows even with the die hards, Byrd would not be filled up this season.
If we had sellouts non-stop for season after season, regardless of record, there would be less pressure on the AD and coaching staff to produce. So those fairer weather fans that do not come out every year/game depending on how the team plays are providing an important service. They keep the AD’s office pushing themselves to produce. Otherwise, the temptation at keeping a status quo and culture of below avg performance as an accepted standard would be great, especially for more academically inclined personalities that are in charge. So human nature, and not blind allegiance, is important. I’m mostly blind, so don’t shoot my message.
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by bball purist on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Being a fan should have nothing to do with on field results. I know there will be bandwagon fans, etc, but supporting is a rule of being a fan in my opinion, not an option. I’m paying for season tickets I can’t afford this year just because I know how important it is to the program and I truly care about it.
And if your theory about having sellouts all the time doesn’t put pressure on the Athletic Department is true, then there wouldn’t ever be coaching changes at most of the SEC schools, half the Big Ten schools, etc. Coaches ultimately get are judged by wins and losses, not attendance. I know there are exceptions to that (Friedgen last year), but it’s rare. If anything, not supporting only ties the Athletic Department’s hands and doesn’t allow them to do anything, good or bad. If we have 50,000 strong at Byrd for most of our home games and are still between 5-7 and 8-4, I guarantee you there will be a coaching change. But if we have that same record and are only getting 30,000 on a good day, say hello to complete football irrelevance.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching changes occur
because winning also brings bigger donations. If we wind up with some 5-7 years, but some 8-4 years, I think it’s possible for a coach to be kept on here.
But I do see your point – there still is pressure to win regardless of attendance – makes sense – I take back my theory – it needs tweaking!
BTW, I’ll be there Saturday rooitng the guys on. After all, fan is derived from fanatics – which most of us on the board are!
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I'll be sneaking my way into the student section like always
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
If we’re losing by a lot in the 2nd half, jump onto the field and give Special K a chest bump!
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Haha
I love it how he tries to get us all loud by giving us candy. I understand we’re all young in the student section, but I’m pretty sure we’re all past the point where we do anything for candy.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
omg - didn't know that as I've always sat in sect 19
i wonder what the heck he’s doing in his free time – yikes! Actually, my friend told me he’s an exec of some sort in a telecomm co.
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Re: Media
I could probably write a several page paper on why we react the way we do to one coach, and differently to another coach saying the same thing. I’m thinking about Turgeon here. He has said himself that he’s a straight shooter, that he doesn’t mince words and says it like he sees it. Which is what you say you like about Edsall (correct me if I’m wrong.) And I agree that I like that as well. But it’s telling that Turgeon’s style is very similar, yet we seemingly have given him a broad pass on things he has said. Whereas the fan base has begun to critique everything that Edsall is saying. I agree that the ‘minimizing expectations’ comment was probably blown out of proportion. But it was one more comment on a pile that Edsall has given that can be construed by angry fans as him taking no responsibility for the way things have gone this season and blaming others. That’s not really fair, but it is what it is.
I have to run, but I’ll have more thoughts on this later if you wish to continue the discussion.
It's a good point
And something I’ve been thinking about with the comparison between Edsall and Turgeon as well.
To me there’s two differences between the two coaches. The first and most relevant of the two is that Edsall was fighting an uphill battle from the time he started it seems. probably 40% of the fan base was iffy at best about the Edsall hire to begin with. So when he steps out of line even for a second to what they think an ideal coach should be/say, they jump on it. Whereas for Turgeon, sure everyone wanted Sean Miller, but we gave Turgeon the benefit of the doubt because we agreed with the hiring at first and understood why we couldn’t hire Miller.
The second of the two, and it might be silly, but it’s their demeanors. Turgeon has kind of this laid back, southern/midwestern guy accent and demeanor. So when he says it, it doesn’t come out as harshly, even though he might be saying the same thing. In fact he has said some of the same things regarding the lack of talent as well as rumors that he’s said he’s not infatuated with Stoglin. Whereas when Edsall says something, he has a very straight forward, northern accent. So it does sound a little more harsh when it comes out of his mouth.
Maybe that’s ridiculous, but that’s the way I see it.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I agree with that
And would love to expound upon this further, but sadly work has finally caught up with me. But at this point I would be steering it in a more academic direction. Perhaps later.
Maryland Football on Facebook
Posted this an hour ago:
Senior defensive lineman Maurice Hampton on the culture this year around the team: "Just the rules. He’s [Coach Edsall’s] doing everything right. Take your hat off when you come in the room. Don’t wear earrings in the building. You never know who you are going to meet in life and whether you are rubbing them the wrong way. Show someone that you have character and are not just another guy. I get it. But everyone doesn’t get it. They are mad because, ‘Oh, I have to take my earrings out’ or ‘I can’t wear this in the building or I have to pull my pants up or tuck my shirt in.’ None of these things are wrong. They are all right."
I don't want to sound like I disagree with this
because I agree.
But what scares me is the "I get it. But everyone doesn’t get it. They are mad because, ‘Oh, I have to take my earrings out’ or “I can’t wear this in the building or I have to pull my pants up or tuck my shirt in.’”
I have zero problem with requiring discipline and commitment. I certainly don’t want our team showing up late for practice/meetings, or getting in trouble with the law. Punish those who do.
But I think fashion, particularly with 18-22 year old athletes, is a poor proxy for discipline and commitment. Does the guy with an earring care about his team any less than the guy without one?
If all the rules serve to do is piss off and alienate talented and dedicated players, it seems like stubborness. Penalize those who are late, or don’t give maximum effort. In other words, I’d choose my battles when it comes to discipline.
But again—Edsall’s got a few years. Maybe the military culture will prove to better discipline the team and bring them together. I just like to speculate.
I played for a disciplinarian coach
in HS – early 70s. No long hair, and no facial hair. He was known to say “do you want to play football or make a fashion statement”?
I’m assuming they can wear dorags and earrings around campus. If that’s the case, be glad long hair isn’t in vogue. Tough to grow it long between practices.
I love to hear what Hampton said
And I’m not shocked at all to hear it. But that doesn’t mean I think Edsall should change his approach on that at all. Some guys were bound not to like the rules he put in place, Edsall didn’t recruit them and they didn’t sign on the dotted line for Edsall. So in a way I feel bad for those who are relegated to it. But that doesn’t mean Edsall should change his style for the few, he has 100+ kids he’s responsible for, and like it or not his job is nearly as much to set these kids up for life as it is to coach a football game. So whether it’s wearing a hat at an inappropriate time or punching someone in the face at the 7-11, a rule is a rule and you should follow it, and that’s a great life lesson.
As for what bshock said, I get it and that’s where I came from at first. But when I look more into it, this is only going to be a problem in the locker room for this year and possibly next year. Anyone who doesn’t like Edsall will leave after this year, unless they are a junior and only have one year of eligibility left. Otherwise, everyone who stays behind and everyone he is recruiting is obviously going to be buying into it. All these kids now know up front what is expected. That includes the Diggs’, Wes Brown’s, and Goldman’s of the world. We are (or at least were until we lost to Temple) right in the thick of things for these elite athletes. They’ve known about these rules ever since they’ve been recruited by Maryland, and still were falling for us. So sure, there might be a kid here and there that he won’t land, but if you won’t sign somewhere because you can’t wear a hat inside, I wouldn’t want you on my football team anyways.
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely true
I don’t necessarily think it is a huge issue in the long run, to be honest. I’m infinitely more concerned about countless other things with the program.
In fact, I think the only reason I react negatively to Edsall’s hyper-disciplinary mentality is that it is just one more thing that confirms my overall view of him as a coach—that he is an inflexible, “my way or the highway,” control freak. This, in and of itself, doesn’t really rile me up.
That's definitely something I'll agree with
Is that if he doesn’t lighten up sometimes, it could turn into a big problem. We don’t really know whether he does or doesn’t, but I hope he does or will. Hopefully he takes a page from his mentor Tom Coughlin’s book and lightens up a bit. I’d love to see a chest bump or something after a 77 yard touchdown pass from DOB to Diggs. Can’t I dream?
by FeartheTurtle2002 on Nov 2, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would want my kid
to play for a guy like Edsall. He cares about the kids and wants to push them.
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I also like how....he don't care
about the press (who is our enemy…by the way) He’s a tough honey-badger…he knows what works and he’s doing it…he don’t care….He’s bad-ass. If it’s too hard to do here because the fans are too babyish and can’t handle the hardship required in building a winner….honey badger will just take a huge buyout and win somewhere else.
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