Clemson Tigers 56, Maryland Terrapins 45: Stock Report and Helmet Stickers
You know how this works by now, but I'm gonna mix things up to start with a Quote of the Day. Because, really, it's deserving. Via Jakob Engelke on Twitter:
RB Davin Meggett on moral victories: "You win or you don't. Either she's pregnant or she's not."
Too true, Davin. Too true.
Now, on to the good stuff.
Stock Up
C.J. Brown, your new starting quarterback. Let's be honest: when Brown started last night, did you really expect him to play as well as he ultimately did? Even half as well? I was on the Brown bandwagon last week, and I know he exceeded my expectations. Let's just look at the statline: three passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown, one interception, 162 rushing yards on a 7.4 ypc average, 17-35 passing for 177 yards. He set the school record for rushing yards by a QB, and I expect he'll break it again if he gets another four starts. For a running-focused QB making his first start against an undefeated team, I don't know much better was possible than that.
And so Brown is the guy, without a doubt. And it makes sense. Danny O'Brien was great in the pro-style system, but he just wasn't built for the spread the way Brown is, through no fault of his own. Brown is absolutely electric, a blast to watch, especially while running it. To co-opt a phrase from Gus Johnson, he's got running from the cops speed, and quite honestly is probably as dynamic as Tony Logan. There were points last night, normally on a long run recently after a receiver had dropped a pass, where I couldn't help but feel that Brown was the biggest thing keeping Maryland in the game. Sure, he needs to get better throwing the ball, but remember that his receivers didn't give him any help today. We need to see what happens against a defense that's prepared for him, but until then, all aboard the CJB Express.
Gary Crowton's offense with a running QB. Some of Crowton's playcalls were a little questionable, but the offense was clicking more often than it wasn't. Brown lets Crowton do everything he's always wanted to do in this offense, with zone reads and fancy options and rollouts, and frankly it's a fun set to watch when it's rolling. This offense on its toes against a Towson or Temple might've been fun. Again, though, before getting too excited we need to see a defense that's prepared for its current iteration. Still, this was pretty easily Crowton's best-called game of the year, and I can't help but feel that having a running QB had something to do with it.
Matt Furstenburg. Ladies and gentlemen, meet Maryland's next star tight end. Five catches for 104 yards and two TDs, most of which came on long runs-after-catch. He's Maryland's best receiver right now, and I expect the Furst Down meme to spread further.
Kerry Boykins. He had a killer fumble and sticking the ball out was a little dumb in that situation, but he was down and that play should've been reversed. He became one of Brown's favorite targets, and his only reliable one past Furst, particularly on third downs. Given the poor performance of the other wide receivers and the apparent injury to Kevin Dorsey, he did himself a pretty big favor tonight.
Maryland's freshmen linebacker fill-ins, again. They got worn down and made their fair share of mistakes, as you had to expect them to, but until late in the game they were pretty stellar given the circumstances. Mario Rowson laid the wood a few times, Alex Twine made a few of critical, challenging open-field tackles, and Goree had a massive sack in addition to leading Maryland in tackles. Sure, mistakes surfaced later - like Twine misreading Tajh Boyd on Boyd's first-down scramble early in the fourth quarter - but, again, think of the circumstances and the potential shown. One of my favorite moments of the night was Twine tackling another true freshman, Mike Bellamy, in the open field. The only difference between the two? Bellamy was a five-star, top-25 player, while Twine was a two-star who didn't have any other FBS offers. And Twine won.
Joe Vellano. Auto-Stock Up these days, it seems. He batted down a pass on a third down to force a field goal, and added another 11 tackles today, including one where he caught Sammy Watkins from behind. No, really. Clemson started to avoid him in the second half, and it's obvious that that's when they started to have more success. Future NFLer.
Davin Meggett. All the guy does is make plays when called upon. Only had 16 carries, but took them for 69 yards and pitched in two TDs of his own.
Uniforms. No more gradients on the numbers. I can now say that my single big problem with the jerseys has been rectified. Without the gradients, they're pretty good looking duds.
Moxie, or resiliency, or fight, or something. I don't know which cliche to use, but one of them has to apply here, right? Maryland has a dozen of holes, but they do scrap. They had chances to fold, and I don't think they did. And it takes some measure of self-belief to come out and punch Clemson in the face like they did.
Hold
Todd Bradford. Some might hate on me for this, but I'll say it anyway: Bradford wasn't as bad as everyone is going to say. Am I saying the defense wasn't as bad as it seemed? No, of course not. They gave up 49 points! But Bradford isn't the defense, and consider the situation in which he's operating.
On one side, you have a Clemson team that was second in the ACC and 30th nationally in scoring offense, with a superstar wide receiver finding his groove. On the other side, you have a defense with no consistently solid cornerback play, missing all three starting linebackers, starting five freshmen - none of them, mind you, superstars like Watkins or Bellamy - and possessing no depth. Look at where Clemson had success: through the air to Watkins (whom Dexter McDougle and Cameron Chism were unable to check) and late in the game, as Maryland's defense wore down thanks to the lack of quality substitutions. For an example of that last one: Alvin Thomas, a transfer from Albright College who has made three special teams tackles on the year, was in on the critical third-and-two in the fourth quarter. Thomas is a good guy, I'm sure, but he's not ideally the guy you want to send out there against a bunch of fresh former four-stars in a crucial situation.
Todd Bradford is at fault for a lot of things, including the Kenny Tate debacle and a host of other issues. But it's not his fault that Maryland doesn't have a lock-down cornerback, or that they lost half of their depth in the off-season, or that the defense lacks the talent and depth it should have. That - and little else - lost Maryland the game today, and I'm not inclined to pin the blame for it entirely on Bradford. He didn't call a perfect game, but he was set up for failure here.
Justus Pickett. I'd still like to see more D.J. Adams, especially in the short-yardage situation, but A) that's a lost cause, and B) Adams has nothing to do with Pickett's performance. It was another solid game for the freshman, and every once in awhile you can see something he does that makes you excited. The good news is that it's coming with more and more consistency each week. He's adjusting to the speed of the game, and his ceiling is plenty high.
David Mackall. Entirely invisible after that big performance against Georgia Tech, with only one assisted tackle. He didn't blow any plays, so he remains out of Stock Down, but his heretofore rapid ascent of awesomeness is slowing.
Stock Down
The secondary. And, really, through no fault of their own. Sammy Watkins is an absurd talent, and he went up against a bunch of guys that aren't absurd talents. He exposed that. Still, the three dropped interceptions - one by Cameron Chism, two by Eric Franklin - were huge, for obvious reasons.
Ronnie Tyler and the wide receivers. Is it just me or does Tyler drop a catchable pass more or less every week? It was a doozy yesterday: he had broken free deep, and Brown delivered a gorgeous deep ball on the money, which was one of the few great throws he had. Had Tyler hauled it in, it was a sure-fire touchdown, and would've given Maryland a big second-quarter lead. Instead, it went through his hands, the drive stalled and Maryland punted. That was heinous, and grounds for moving him down the depth chart. Sometimes you have to go with the best you have, but if dropping a surefire TD is the best you have, sometimes it's better to just let the young'uns see what they've got.
It was a tough night all-around for this bunch, though, The interception was partially due to a lazy route by Tony Logan, who also didn't fight the DB for the ball. Quintin McCree had two drops, including one that would've been a first down. Marcus Leak dropped another. And the only truly good wide receiver all year, Kevin Dorsey, missed the entire second half, with what appears to be some kind of injury. Sometimes, Brown needed help today and didn't get it. That's one thing. At other times, though, Brown just needed adequacy, just averageness, and he didn't even get that. And that will lose games.
Special teams. When Lyndon Johnson took over Maryland's special teams unit, it was a well-oiled machine, still gleaming from the Ray Rychelski days of yore. In a matter of months, it's all gone to hell. Watkins embarrassed this group. Maryland's defense had it hard enough without spotting Clemson seven points on Watkins' touchdown return - which, by the way, won Clemson the game - or a short field that led to another touchdown. And, by the way, I have no idea what the plan there was: it looked like they tried to kick it high on kickoffs, but it wasn't high enough to make a difference. They would drop at the 10 or 15 each time, so Watkins still got to return it, and Maryland's head start was minimal. It was just weird, and completely disappointing.
Perhaps it'd be livable if at least Maryland's returns were equally impressive, but they aren't. Tony Logan, we know, is fantastic, but he hasn't had a good seam in weeks. Meanwhile, the kick returns are consistently unimpressive. And even punts are lackluster: Ferrara nailed one beautifully that should've been downed inside the five, but the gunners couldn't bring it in.
Special teams, more than any other unit, finds talent irrelevant. You have a good kicker and an explosive ballcarrier? You should have a good special teams unit. Maryland has those first two things, but not the third, and that just isn't acceptable. This team isn't good enough to win games without winning special teams, too. And no team is good enough to win games that their special teams loses for them. If Watkins is just bottled up on returns, Maryland probably gets the upset win.
Randy Edsall's timeout management. Taking a timeout seconds before the first quarter ends? Taking a timeout on third-and-short trailing by a score with five minutes left? And then taking another on fourth-and-short? Edsall is apparently taking pages out of the Andy Reid school of playclock management. It didn't strike him that maybe, just maybe, it'd be useful to have those TOs if Clemson got the ball back? His inability to properly handle this indicates one of two things: he either doesn't understand the tenets of TO management, or he simply isn't quick-thinking enough to make decisions on the fly. Or both. It didn't come back to hurt Maryland today, I don't think, but it's not a good sign any way you look at it.
Maryland's lack of elite talent and defensive depth. You saw it against WVU and you saw it tonight: Maryland just doesn't have the pure talent to match up with a team full of four-stars and five-stars like Clemson. I mentioned it in the GameThread, but this is a great example of why Ronald Darby or Stefon Diggs would be so important to the program. Just one guy isn't going to make Maryland a national title contender, but they will win them some games, like Watkins did for Clemson today. And speaking of Watkins - what if Maryland had a five-star corner, like Darby, to cover him? Think it might be a little different outcome? I do.
Just as painful, they lack quality, experienced depth in the two-deep, especially defensively. You can't have a defense on the field as much as this group was, in a game this fast-paced, without making significant substitutions, and expect no drop in performance. That drop came, and it hurt. Getting an influx of defense should be priority #1 here, but it'll take time to build the stocks back up.
Helmet Stickers
- C.J. Brown, QB. Pretty much a no-brainer. Brown was very good yesterday and deserves the starting spot for another week.
- Lorne Goree, LB. Goree led the team in tackles today and had a huge sack on Boyd. Promising future, and might be a starter even after all the linebackers get healthy.
- Matt Furstenburg, TE. Another no-brainer. A career day for Furst Down, with two TDs and upwards of 100 receiving yards.
- Joe Vellano, DT. Normally I try not to give these to the four best players, but there was no other way about it today. Vellano was great, as usual.
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I am taking credit
For Furst Down.
by Maryland Pride on Oct 16, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
in my seats we’ve been calling him Furstengoal.
by UtzTheCrabChip on Oct 16, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pro-style QB.
So if a pro-style QB is not suitable for this system, what does that mean long-term? Does it mean that no major QB talent will come here? And if so, does that mean the top WRs won’t want to come here either? And does all that in turn hurt recruiting up and down the line?
Hope not. GT and Navy do well most years. But I would like to hear the view of someone who really knows football.
id have to say no to all of those things
1) in the long term it shouldnt hurt if you find qb’s that fit the system, which isnt that hard since we’re seeing the spread more and more now a days
2)most of the major QB talent coming out of high school ran some sort of spread in high school, so not to big an issue
3)absolutely not. if anything it will atact top wide receivers and running backs.
4)it might be a boost for recruiting, stefon diggs said that he want to go to a team with a flashy offense. if the offense play like they did last night, then diggs and few others will consider UMD more and more
Just a quick reply.
Florida, WVU, Oregon, Nebraska. Just a few programs that run a spread and get people to come there. Of course florida and nebraska will always get talent, but oregon about 15 years ago was a middle of the road program, and wvu is of course wvu, they were a middle of the road program until rodriquez installed the spread. They get speed backs, and speed receivers.
by nmcvicker03 on Oct 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
spread qb
that is the college thing now, pro-style qbs are few and far in between nowadays it seems. I think this does not effect recruiting at all, if anything going to a spread probably attracts more recruits.
by djcarv2005 on Oct 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What GT and Navy do, and what Crowton does, are incredibly different
Crowton is closer to Oregon. Oregon was pretty average two decades ago, and they’re getting top 10 recruiting classes now, including elite WRs and RBs and good QBs.
Given that this is a running-focused offense, I think it’s safe to say the Gunner Kiehl types probably aren’t realistic, but there are dozens of great spread QBs every year. And a spread is better than a pro-style for elite RBs and WRs most of the time.
The spread is fine for going to the pros as well
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
even if it's not as desirable as pro-set
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 17, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Finding a QB to run the spread is not difficult. It does not require an option QB like Navy, or GT use… simply a QB with some mobility and speed. Some recruiting websites even have seperate listings not for Pro Style QB’s and Dual-Threat QB’s… The spread offense has even becoming common in High schools now, so its getting easier to find QB’s who are capable of running it.
My only question though is, whats up with Edsall’s QB recruits. Two have given verbals, but they are both pocket QB’s… what use are they gonna be in this offense?
No pro style QB is coming to Maryland with this system. Why would they? As for WRs and RBs, I have no idea how the system impacts recruiting and I suspect for most of us it’s just guessing what’s in the heads of recruits. But winning trumps everything in recruiting, so outside of the blue-chip players, maybe it doesn’t matter what system we run if we win.
The spread is difficult to prepare for, and on the college level with inconsistent talent levels, it’s effective. At the pro level, they don’t play the spread. Defensive players are too fast and the QBs health is a main consideration.
Clemson made the necessary adjustments to stop Brown by bringing their defensive ends upfield, cutting off the outside and forcing Brown into the middle where there was nowhere to go. They also (finally) played zone and brought their secondary up knowing Brown can’t throw the ball accurately much more than 25 – 30 yards downfield. Defenses will make the field smaller. Whether Brown can counter that adjustment will determine how successful he will be.
Lesson learned for Danny
Let’s go back to December and January of last year. We dump our alum coach of ten years in very shoddy fashion. We bring in a new head coach that many had reservations about. Franklin goes to Vandy and everyone has their hearts in the throats worrying about Danny rolling out. Danny steps up, says he is staying for the school he committed to and everyone rejoices.
Big mistake Danny. Edsall swore this system would be great for Danny but four games into the season, it isn’t He committed to the school, but it didn’t commit to him. Let’s remember this the next time one of these kids does something entirely in their own best interest (at least in football).
CJ ran great, but he still can’t throw. Did he connect on one pass that was thrown more than ten yards? Those deep throws were godawful. We will see if other teams make the adjustment to make CJ throw the ball. The kid is a good instinctive runner, but his QB skills are questionable right now.
c.j. can’t throw. 17-35 with about 5 drops. did you see the pass that tyler dropped. there isn’t a qb in the nfl who could have thrown that pass any better. it’ was brown’s first start. danny was 14-21 for 123 vs towson. i wouldn’t call that great. not here to knock danny but anyone who know s even a little about football wouldn’t be so critical of brown under the circumstances. and in case you haven’t noticed the wide receivers of md ar not very good. even matched up one on one they don’t get a lot of separation form the defenders.
I don’t want to get in the position of totally bashing CJ. The kid did some good things.
I do know this much about football, 17-35 is not good at all in the spread offense. Take a look around at the QBs stats that run this offense. They typically have a very high completion rate. Below 50% is bad in any offense but it’s really bad in this one. Danny struggled so far this himself, no doubt.
CJ will get better, he will have to because starting with FSU, they will make him throw the ball.
i have no doubt you’re a fan but i question your football acumen. go back and look at some of the pass plays and watch how often md receivers have little or no separation from their defenders. you say you don’t want to bash cj. he was the best player on the field for md yesterday. again it was his first college start. he played one play last yr. and without the drops he is 22-35 and about 300 yds and 4 td’s. thank goodness you’re not totally bashing c.j.
Edsall
Burning those 2 timeouts in sequence with 5mins left in a tight game was just unexplainable. That’s the worst thing I’ve seen from him yet and it hasn’t been a banner year to say the least.
by Sephtical on Oct 16, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The future does look bright.
I hate that DOB couldn’t work in this system. But it does work with a QB like Brown. He has got to be able to pass better though. I have to say, I was impressed with him. Our receivers stink though. A couple of things of note.
1. I still like edsall.
2. Crwtn’s system did actually work with CJ so if the success continues this year offensively, I will apologize.
3. I want to see the shellmet and I never want to see our jersey’s without the 1 color number shell pattern again.
4. Tate really does need to go back to safety and with all the injuries, lack of talent and lack of depth maybe we should give bradford a little bit of a cushion.
5. I think we are going to a bowl game this year. I have a feeling we will beat VA, NC ST, ND, BC and Wake.
What’s the over-and-under on the number of days before UMd reveals the nature of Tate’s injury? This situation remains most suspicious. And yes, it’s easy to see how badly he’s missed as safety.
Let’s all hope you’re correct about the 5-1 finish. The Terps were in position the last two games to knock of highly-rated teams. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain against FSU and then beat some of the lesser lights of the ACC.
by Runningcloud on Oct 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What you think the likeliness
that DOB transfers? Take Joe Flacco for the ravens as example. Transferred from Pitt to Delaware which also fitted his pro style gun-slinger type play. Think any chance we will be seeing DOB transfer to a school such as Towson or Delaware soon?
If he sees limited action the rest of this season, I say he goes.
And if he does transfer, I think he’ll go somewhere that gives him a chance to play next year. Sitting out a year doesn’t help him at all. Let’s hope he stays, though. Gotta give the kid credit for staying loyal to the program even after all the changes after last season.
by CarolinaTerp on Oct 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Look folks all we need is some people who can catch and run ( do you here me Mr. Diggs & Jones) and a few top notch defense players (Mr. Goldman and Spence do you here me) and we could play with anybody. Oh yes, also stop the injury bleeding.
That was intelligent
“We need top offensive and defensive players and we can compete with anybody.”
Good one.
Let's hope it wasn't a 1-time deal like the Miami game
Regardless of the loss, last night was one of the most exciting Terps games to watch in quite a long time.
by Harrison Linder on Oct 16, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What a game
Over 100 points and 1000 yards of offense. Much more exciting than a defensive battle. However there are no moral victories. It’s great some young guys are getting PT and we hung tough with chances to winagainst 3 top 25 teams, but all those games ended with a “L”. I would have loved to keep all the loudmouths in orange silent the whole game. CJ’s pick at the start of the second half was the turning point. We had opened the half with a 2 min scoring drive and held them to 3 and out, but then gave them the ball right back. Once they figured our “plan” we did not make adjustments. That is coaching. Was is only me or did McCree have his head up his ass the whole game? One play he barely shuffled back onsides before the ball was snapped and another he loafed off the field, close to getting a 12 men penalty called. That was BEFORE he dropped a clutch slant route when we needed a first down. If he and Tyler were granted permission to return but don’t seem to want to play, let them sit and watch someone who does.
Rebuilding time?
I tend to agree with you on the WR situation. I had been very hopeful that the return of Tyler was going to fix what ails us but I was wrong. Do we consider this season a rebuild at this point and get reps for the younger guys in hopes of getting stronger for next year? I was really positive about this season but I think my hopes were dashed with the Temple loss and now the three (3) winnable games that we collapsed on with WVU, GT, and now Clemson. I just have yet to see a complete performance on both sides of the ball and expect that I may not until sometime in late November.
This is mad depressing and living in SC only adds to the gloom.
by LowcountryTerp1 on Oct 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
+1.
I live in S.C. as well, but my Clemson friends have been very nice today. They saw us as the potential “letdown” game that CU has every year. I don’t know about you but Watkins has gained a new fan in me. Very impressed with how he carries himself. He muffs the first punt but redeemed himself. Every time he scored, he handed the ball to the official, didn’t showboat or act like an ass, and celebrated like a professional with his teammates. And he’s a freshman. I hate when Maryland loses, but I respect him.
by CarolinaTerp on Oct 16, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't showboat
Or act like an ass after doing something good… You mean the exact opposite of Greivis Vasquez :) . I agree, he is future NFL star….
by valleyterp on Oct 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Greivis wasn't an ass
if you’re a Terps fan, you’d know that. But nice way to take a cheap shot in a football discussion at one of our basketball alums.
Seems like your cheap shot was an attempt at bulletin board show boating – nice job- acting like an ass on TT…
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
1-1-1
you are wrong,matter of opinion, and right.
1) been a big Terps fan going on 3+ decades. MD fans are allowed to disagree. (0-1)
2) Obviously GV being a showboater and ass is just my opinion. Never doubted his effort, will to win and he got 100% percent out of his talent ( which I respect). His manner was ( in my opinion) disgraceful. Just because he wore MD jersey is no reason to like it. I have many players from other schools I respect because of how they act. Below are examples of PROS who did it right and did it wrong ( again, in my opinion)
examples: Darrell Green (class) over D. Sanders (trash)
Art Monk(class) over Michael Irving (trash)
will call this one a tie (0-1-1)
3) me being an ass? Yeah, you are probebly right :) Hard to argue with that. I probably should not have brought it up in a football discussion. But I also appreciated Clemson player showing class when he scored, and it got me thinking about GV. You get a point for that one! (1-1-1)
actually, right now I'd take a 1-1-1 record! lol
I admittedly stoked the fire a bit. I mean, c’mon, having the “purist” handle I gravitate to the Greivis respects and loves the game angle, rather than show boats. I don’t recall seeing him show up the opponents at any point in his career – I’m of the opinion he did it from a attnetion grabbing, marketing angle that others have done to their financial advantage through the years.
I’m glad you’re a long time Terps fan as myself. and we’re allowed to disagree. I knew where you’re opinion was coming from, and you’re entitled to it. doesn’t make you love UMD or Greivis any less (although you want less showmanship out there – I just think Greivis played better doing his thing.)
Green, Monk – could never argue it, even as a Giants fan and guy whose HS beat Art’s WPHS squad my senior year – lol
I don’t really know anything about anybody here on the board – unless they get crazy and irrational. You simply don’t enjoy any antics – no problem, I enjoy the simplicity and beauty of what Watkins did – he’s a hard core baller.
PS – I hope you did enjoy GV’s entrance at MM. He had some fun with the guys.
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We have now
been able to hang with three top 20 teams. Now we need to go to Tallahassee and beat a former top 25 team. If this offense plays the way they did yesterday then they can breakthrough and get a win down there.
Surprised at the lack of Bradford bashing
he is terrible. I don’t care what your excuses are. An ACC program should never allow 40 points in the second half when you have and 18 point lead. At least a prevent eats clock. He called a defense that allowed fast score after fast score… unacceptable.
RE: The future does looks bright
Edsall is in over his head and I don’t see Bradford or Johnson retained for next year. The only bowl game this year is sponsored by 2000 flushes. Beating VA (No), NC ST (Yes), ND (No), BC (Maybe) and Wake (Yes). Thanks, Randy!!!
There Can Be Only One!
he's in
so far over his head that he will probably be in jacksonville as an nfl head coach next year.
by TERPLANDLORD on Oct 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Is Edsall really being mentioned for that job???? He won’t leave, though…this is his “dream job”…..right?
by CarolinaTerp on Oct 16, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
jacksonvilles owner
LOVES edsall since the coughlin days. money talks bull**** walks. ask ralph after his 1st season here when he extorted us with tampa bay.
by TERPLANDLORD on Oct 16, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a gift
if Edsall left after one year and the AD got a chance to do this over.
by Geoff Pickett on Oct 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
There is NO WAY
That Randy Edsall will be an NFL head coach next season.
I don’t care if Edsall’s dad is the Jaguars owner, NFL teams don’t hire college coaches that really haven’t done anything at the college level (with no offense to UCONN).
edsall strikes me
as a really smart judge of personel land that always rubs bad personel the wrong way. Coughlin coaches the same way. The value of that cannot be under-estimated as it is very important in recruiting and team development. I prey he stays here and builds a dangerous team.
by TERPLANDLORD on Oct 16, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the only person mentioning this jacksonville thing is you.
Is Edsall your brother or something? Jesus your incessant blind cheerleading is tiresome. Jacksonville would be the laughingstock of the NFL if they hired Edsall as head coach. Shut up about it already its freaking laughable.
by Sephtical on Oct 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying he isn't
I’m saying that a college football coach with a career record of 76-74, coaching most of those games in the nation’s worst BCS conference, whose current team is 2-4, is not going to get any consideration whatsoever for an NFL head coaching gig.
I hope jacksonville
does hire Edsall. I like Edsall just fine, but I think we need a coach that has more of a pirate background.
Please no...
just stop with the Mike Leach talk. You could say that that ship has sailed.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 16, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean butt pirate background.
That dude is a cancer.
by nmcvicker03 on Oct 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
how about
offense to UConn ??? LOL
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as C.J. goes
I would be extremely surprised if he plays this well again next week. I’m not saying that he won’t be a good QB, he very well might, and definitely looked pretty good last night.
But…it’s kind of like MLB call-ups in late September that hit really well or pitch really well, and then never perform at that level again. Clemson really had no film on CJ, was preparing for 2 QBs, etc.
Sometimes, especially with a QB that can run, your first real game is one of your best, because teams don’t really know how good a runner you are. FSU will/should prepare for CJ by stacking the box and putting a spy or two on him. After next week we’ll know a lot more about him.
thats a bold prediction.
he only rushed 168 yards and had 3 td passes.
by TERPLANDLORD on Oct 16, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
I wasn’t really referring to stats. I highly doubt he’ll get the same stats he did last night in a game again this season.
I agree
CJ played very well, better than most expected. With that said, the first team to actually practice against this gimmick offense will do much better than Clemson. Even Clemson figured it out in the 2nd half to a degree.
by Geoff Pickett on Oct 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
CJ Brown’s speed is difficult to prepare for (how many QB’s have 4.4 speed?). This is the same problem we had in preparing for WVU’s quickness at the WR’s slots or Watkins of Clemson’s speed. If you do not have someone to duplicate these skills it is tough to be prepared. FSU probably has a QB with this kind of speed on their team, but they are going to be the exception. This kid has QB in his blood; his father was a QB at Michigan State. We are very lucky to have two very good QB’s. It just one (Brown) is a little better suited to this type of offense.
What is killing this team is injuries particularly on defense. I can’t remember this many serious injuries in one season and we are only half way done.
...and due to the schedule we were given
the bye week (chance for some players to rest/recover/heal) is already gone. Not so much for our opponents.
by NeonParkTerp on Oct 16, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stock Report & thoughts on CJB
First, Ben, nice analysis. I agree with most of what you wrote. I will respectfully disagree on one minor point and that is the first quarter TO. I think Edsall took that to keep the wind in case Ferrara had to attempt a field goal. The wind was a factor and Nick’s not that good a kicker. As for CJ’s performance, I don’t think he has quite the arm strength DOB has but I think he’s a better passer than people seem to want to credit him with being. Not only did he have the dropped passes (that were all easy catches) but I’d like to point to a few other throws that leave me optimistic: First is the pass to Dorsey that drew the interference call. Admittedly, I sit at the open end of Byrd but it looked to me like that was a well thrown ball that KD could have run under had he not been held up. People who had a better angle or saw it on tv can correct me if I’m wrong in that. There was the 3rd and goal from the 9 overthrow of Pickett. On the surface, a bad pass but I’m encouraged because he made the right read finding the 1 on 1 with the LB and I think with more practice reps game experience, he will complete that pass. The third one was the long pass intended for McCree I think that appeared to be a miscommunication. CJ threw to the sideline and the receiver was cutting toward the post. This again should be fixable with practice. Finally, let’s not forget the terrific 59 yd pass to Tyler on 4th and 26 that was negated by a penalty.
As for Clemson’s so called adjustmnets, I’m not so sure. The offense had drives of 78 yds and 66 yds for TDs and an 80 yd FG drive in the second half. That’s 3 scores and 220+yds of offense. I just hope he doesn’t have to run 22 times a game.
If the Terps can get a breakthrough win against FSU on Saturday, it could turn the season around.
Edsall Grabbing Ferrara's Arm
After Maryland gave up the special teams TD, Edsall berated Ferrara on the sidelines. Ferrara appeared to walk away and Edsall grabbed his arm to yell at him some more.
Why is this wrong with Bobby Knight does it, but nobody commented on Edsall doing it?
Bobby was a winner.
Edsall hasn’t reached his status…won’t reach his status (unless he wins a championship)…so until then, he can grab each player’s arm and nothing will be said.
by CarolinaTerp on Oct 16, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple of thoughts.
First, it is amazing how quickly everyone has turned on DOB. What happened to gearing your offense to what you have? Look, as long as we leave our defense on the field for 2/3 of the game we will keep losing. Duffner had us run through this already. Amazing yardage and scores as well as records that stood for a long time, and we also got raped on defense. Unless you can have a defense that is solid three deep this offense will kill us, and that’s never going to happen.
Second, I’m not saying I told you so, but this is just 2 of the three butt rapings we were going to receive. I see nothing that leads me to believe the third won’t happen.
Football is like chess. You have to have a complete and integrated approach to the game or you will always be fodder for the grandmasters of the game.
Fear the Turgle!
They are gearing their offfense to what they have.
They just happened to find a QB on their roster who fits the offense they want to run.
48 points last night. Seems like it worked pretty well.
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by s.r.genovese on Oct 16, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Er, 45 points.
When you're rich you don't write checks - Randy Moss
by s.r.genovese on Oct 16, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Either she's pregnant, or she's not Ben.
There is no in between. If you finish 0-12 nobody cares that you “only” lost every game by 1 point.
Fear the Turgle!
Uh yeah
there is a difference. That’s why we have words and language to describe the difference between a ‘butt raping’ and a 1 point loss.
When you're rich you don't write checks - Randy Moss
by s.r.genovese on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
DOB
I believe Danny flourished with Torrey Smith. These new receivers and the 2 game suspensions have crippled Danny. These are not elite receivers and CJ hit Tyler in stride on a play I believe was a set up play for 6 points? If I’m the head coach with this group of receivers, I go with CJ. He has proven himself and also that Edsall made the right choice. Defense is the problem that may reduce Edsall’s time here at MD. You hired a band-aid, now hire the remedy after the season is over. We lost Brown late in a WTF move……….. Now we need a true defensive coordinator with a proven scheme. Tough to fill……………
Proven?
He has proven himself
that’s a bit strong for a guy who hadn’t as much as sniffed a meaningful snap all last season and was competing against the ACC ROY.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Proud Showing / Questionable Coaching
Nice to see us start the fight for a change! Our guys were overmatched in lots of ways, but they showed exciting potential.
I for one don’t believe for a nanosecond that Ferrara decided on his own to kick the ball to Watkins in the 4th quarter — even if he did, it was a colossal coaching blunder. There’s just no excuse for it — the coaches need to keep their heads in the game.
by Gordon Richman on Oct 16, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In response to the TD, Randy clearly looked like he didn't want Ferrara to have kicked the ball to Watkins.
At the same time, Ferrara looked like he was doing what he was told to do. Its speculation on my part but this looks like either a breakdown in communications between Edsall and Johnson, or Johnson and Ferrara.
If this occurred earlier in the game, a communication breakdown like this one is more understandble. Watkins is a freshman. Even though our coaches had reviewed the Clemson tapes, it can be difficult to judge speed and they may have concluded they could kick to Watkins. However, by the 4th quarter, they knew his speed and kicking it anywhere near him was a mistake.
As for the kick off coverage issue late; we lost both of our speed kick off coverage guys (Chesseboro & Graham) earlier in the game. No question, we should NOT have been kicking deep that late in the game considering Watkins speed and our two injuries. As for FSU, I do not think we can beat them down there with all of injuries on defense. And yes, we could beat everybody else on our schedule including Notre Dame if we can get some of these injured defensive players back on the field. The kids are playing great and I really do not have a problem with Bradford’s schemes but you got to have more depth than we have right now. We were thin going in and now are almost entire unit down in loses due to injuires. I would seriously considering bringing Dorleant and Clark (DB) to FSU to be on kick coverage teams; remember Dorleant has sub 4.4 speed.
DOB should tranfer, CJB Impresses and Edsall is a massive let down thus far
I am willing to give Edsall more time obviously, but this is not at all what any of us hoped for when he was brought in. He has been a let down from the get go. The TO mismanagement is what finished me off. To me this is inexcusable for a coach with his experience. More on the bigger issue later..
DOB should transfer. I love DOB and he has immense talent and would love to see him succeed. The coaching staff has really blown it with him and I hope he does follow in Flacco’s footsteps and take his talents to a school like Delaware. DOB stands a much better chance of playing on Sunday than CJB.
As far as CJB goes- I loved what I saw and give this kid a world of credit. He gives us the best chance of winning right now under Crowton’s spread but I just can’t let go of this DOB situation. Someone posted earlier that DOB stuck with MD and followed through on his commitment and now the MD coaching staff has not done the same. I could not agree more. It really sucks and I feel terrible for him. It has completely tarnished the good that CJB has brought to the table lately. It’s not CJB’s fault and I will support him all the way but this coaching staff has pretty much lost me and I really didn’t think that was possible this quick. I have always been one to give people a hard time for calling for the new coaches head 5 games in but I just can’t seem to feel good about this staff at all. Does DOB deserve to take some heat? Yes, he has been a bit off but this staff is reakky the one to truly blame for ruining this for DOB. I will give it more time and put support behind them because they are better than this but they are making it very hard. Again, I have never been one to get this upset so quickly with a coach but this DOB situation is just so terrible that I can’t help it. I want Edsall to succeed because he was the right choice over Leach. I just want him to make some better decisions through the last half of the season and this offseason.
by FearTheTurgeon on Oct 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Same page
I was the one referencing the one-way loyalty regarding DOB. The kid deserves a ton of credit for the way he handled everything. The coaches should be getting more blame for not utilizing his talents. CJB has been great at running the ball. Which is exactly why DOB might get back on the field. He is on the thin side to be getting hit like he is.
Also, we are 2-4 with one of those wins coming against Towson. By reading some of these posts you would think we were 4-2 with close losses to Bama and LSU. Let’s not get it twisted, if we fail to make a bowl, it will be a giant failure for Edsall and company.
I am giving Edsall time but he really has expended most of his good feeling cache he walked in with. So far he just wasn’t been very likeable. He seems to demand accountability from everyone except for himself. In my mind he has three years to get this right.
Agreed
No bowl = massive failure. This team lost some talent to the next level but they should still be in the hunt for a bowl game.
Edsall has made the wrong move at almost every turn. It all started with the not so subtle bashing of Fridge and the finger pointing. How could he not realize how stupid that was? Then he makes some questionable decisions regarding the anonymity of the players…I can’t get behind that at all and so far it hasn’t worked one bit. Then he couples some very poor coaching decisions (TO mismanagement etc) with allowing the destruction of our offense. I agree that DOB has been less than accurate and our receivers have been sketchy at best, but push through it and get the offense in a direction that fits DOB talents. I just don’t see how we have a QB controversy here. If DOB was failing repeatedly in the pro style then bench him and go with more spread with CJB. But to force DOB into spread and screw with him the way that have just sucks on every level. I can honestly say I have not felt this way about MD coaching in ages…I really want Edsall to excel and I liked his hiring but he has made it so hard to have his back. 3 years is the right timeframe but he needs to realize he may already be fighting to get diehard Terps support back.
Having said all of that I still grapple with the CJB situation because I know he has to be our starter now and I do like him a lot but the staff has ruined it for me because of how bad they blew it with DOB. I want to be excited for CJB but I keep looking at how they screwed DOB by benching him because he played poorly in the style that didn’t suit his talents. I don’t think I can get past that.
by FearTheTurgeon on Oct 17, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
50-50 chance he only makes it two years.
Fear the Turgle!
100% he makes it the entire contract
around a .500 record the next 2-4 years will keep a budget strapped athletic dept in check…
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 18, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
as Timothy Olyphant once said
How’s this for thinking outside the box? lol
If we want gimmicks, how long is it going to take to have DOB at QB and CJB in a Wildcat style position? Out of the box, but why not?
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
Mainly
I’m hoping I don’t have to change my screen name from “FearTheTurgeon”, who by the way has clearly been so much easier to get behing early on, to “EradicateEdsall”.
stick with what u got
teams will fear Turge soon enough
"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."
by bball purist on Oct 18, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think DOB has been treated fairly. He was given the opportunity to succeed and didn't get the job done.
Maybe he had to rely too much on passing and our WRs are not very good. Maybe DOB was just making bad decisions. Who knows. However, I don’t think he would have stayed at UMD if he didn’t think he could get the job done in Crowton’s offense. Look at CJ’s situation. He is labeled a dual-threat QB. When CJ committed to UMD we were running a pro-set offense. Why did he come here if his strength is a spread or some type of option offense? CJ obviously thought he could get the job done in the pro-set.
CJ committed to Maryland because during Fridge’s tenure, he always showed the ability to adapt the playbook to the QB, not the QB to the playbook. They were running mostly a pro drop back set when he and DOB committed because Chris Turner was the QB.
Randy Edsall is not showing the same adaptability..
Maybe we have different views of adaptability
When Jamarr got the starting job, Ralph tried to take advantage of his running ability. However, Ralph didn’t go to a spread. Jamarr did run more options, rollout passes, and even that 2-step QB draw but he did them out of pro-sets. Simialrly, Crowton didn’t go to pro-style offense for DOB but allowed him to throw out of a pocket in the spread. He tried to take advantage of DOB’s passing ability and didn’t call many running plays, rollouts or draws.
I just don’t see much difference in what these coaches have done.

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