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Full disclosure before getting into some of these numbers:  I'm not terribly pleased with the Edsall hire.  Had the situation been different, and Edsall were brought in (instead of Franklin, perhaps) after Fridge retiring on his own terms in a few years, I would be perfectly pleased.  I won't bore you (yet) with my reasons for disliking the hire, I just thought it was necessary so that I'm not pretending to be 100% objective.

I think Edsall should be respected for bringing UConn into Division 1A, and leading them to some pretty good years.  But part of me wondered if he was beating anybody that was any good while he was doing it. 

Star-divide

I looked at the years 2002 to 2010.  I didn't consider Edsall's first 3 years with UConn in Div. 1A, as they were all pretty bad records which can be easily attributed, almost in full, to the transition to the big time.  In 2002, Connecticut went 6-6, so I thought that was a fair year to start analyzing.

Over the 9 seasons from 2002 to 2010, Connecticut went 65-46.  A pretty impressive record.

However, their strength of schedule in those 9 years, according to the Congrove Computer Rankings, came to an average of 71.22 in the country.  For comparison's sake, Maryland's was 48.67.  (Note, this is a ranking of all Div. 1A teams for those years, so the lower numbers are best, i.e., a team is awarded "1" if they have the hardest schedule in the country for that year).

This isn't damning in and of itself, but I looked a bit closer.  I broke down Edsall's W/L record into two groups--games against BCS opponents, and games against non-BCS opponents.

Obviously there are terrible BCS teams (Duke for many years), and there are pretty good non-BCS teams (Boise St., TCU, etc)--but for those most part, the BCS/Non-BCS breakdown let's us see if UConn was beating decent programs, or padding the W/L record with cupcakes.  Also for these purposes, I counted Notre Dame as a BCS team.

Record against BCS teams:  35-43

Record against non-BCS teams:  30-3

For comparison's sake:  Friedgen was 46-45 against BCS teams, and 19-3 against Non-BCS teams from 2002 to 2010.

Interesting Stats:

#1:  Almost half of Edsall's wins (46.15%) during the "good years" at UConn came against Non-BCS opponents.  Meanwhile, Fridge, during the same timeframe, had more than twice as many wins against BCS opponents as non-BCS opponents.  Only 29% of Fridge's wins from 2002-2010 were against non-BCS teams.

UConn played 11 more non-BCS teams than Maryland in those 9 years.  That basically comes to 1 more "win" a year, gained simply from scheduling cupcakes.

#2:  We know that UConn had a lower SoS than Maryland, which is backed up by the fact that they played a significant number of non-BCS opponents.  But that wouldn't really matter if UConn was also consistently beating the "big boys."  But Edsall went 35-43 against BCS opponents (.448 winning percentage), whereas Fridge had a winning record (.506 winning percentage).

Takeaway:

Look, these numbers don't tell us anything we don't already know:  Maryland is a better program than UConn. 

Edsall's value is not in his win/loss record, but in the fact that he turned UConn from a Div-1AA program into a solid D-1A program in less than a decade.

BUT, didn't Fridge do a similarly Herculean task?  He took Maryland from a nothing program, to a solid Div-1A program.  He may have started out in a bit better position than Edsall, but he also performed better.  I think they both did commendable jobs in building programs from basically nothing into above average programs.

I also understand that we didn't have the option of just maintaining the status quo.  Read my posts from the past few weeks--I was 100% behind the decision to replace Fridge.  But I really see this as a totally lateral hire--we replace a coach that made Maryland a solid program with a coach that made UConn a solid program.  On-the-field, I wonder if we will actually see improvement.

And business/publicity-wise, I think this was a terrible move.  Safe, sure.  But anyone that has actually looked into the Leach "baggage" has come away with the feeling that many of the allegations were way overblown.  I was considering making the 7-hour drive to see the Terps play Notre Dame next year--and I'll be honest, it is a bit less enticing with Edsall as coach.

So basically, we look to have made a lateral move on-the-field, and created no excitement around the program in making it.  In fact, we probably took a PR hit, in that we made a pretty harsh decision to remove Fridge from the job, and we failed to justify that decision with a "splash."

We have a quickly-closing window, before Miami and FSU return to dominance, where we could establish ourselves as a top-25 program.  I just don't see this move doing it in the short-term, which may be our only real chance.  If the Florida teams get back on track, it could be awhile before we can unseat them and Virginia Tech.

I hope he succeeds, but from my view, we just made a "boring" hire of a guy that padded his W/L record with a bunch of cupcakes, and couldn't consistently beat BCS teams, even though the vast majority of his BCS opponents were from the "mighty" Big East.  Disappointing.

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Another great post

I know I was the Edsall champion just a few hours ago. But I’m souring fast, for some of the reasons you brought up (and a few others that others don’t know yet and may or may not be true).

by Ben Broman on Jan 2, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Any truth

to the rumor that Kevin Anderson was overruled on this decision? If so, I’d imagine he is furious. And rightfully so.

by bshock on Jan 2, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben

These “other” reasons you’re souring fast…can you give a hint about them, or do you think they’ll be exposed in the coming days?

by CarolinaTerp on Jan 3, 2011 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I should point out

That the boring “more-of-the-same” hire isn’t a bad thing, in and of itself. I think the circumstances make it so—we could have had a coach with similar, if not better, on-the-field success, and an A+ rating in the “buzz” department.

The good news: As my ex-girlfriends can attest, I’m wrong more often than I’m right—so hopefully that is the case here.

by bshock on Jan 2, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

GREAT post.

The more that I’ve been thinking about it, the less I like the hire.

And now with Don Brown (seemingly) out the door too, I am HATING this hire. Blahhhh.

by kckb8 on Jan 2, 2011 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

Is it wrong to pray that Mike Leach gets hired as North Carolina's football coach and then destroys Maryland every year?

Every single person at the bowl game was really pissed. I can’t even imagine how insanely pissed they are now. And save the “a real Maryland fan” crap. Stupid is stupid, these guys had a shot to turn this team into a top 10 contender and they blew it. Plain and simple.

Can’t wait for that Texas/Maryland game now. Should be quite a shellacking.

by settleten on Jan 2, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

Every single person?

Funny, i was definitely there with a large group people, none of which are particularly upset about the Friedgen era ending. I saw a lot of other people who like Friedgen and were there to send him off on a high note, but hardly could be described as pissed. Hyperbole does nothing to help the debate.

by kba26 on Jan 2, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid is stupid, and hoping your team gets “shellacked” would fall under stupid.

AFC North 2010 Predictions from the Baltimore Beatdown:
"I still think that [the Bengals] are going to give the Steelers a run for their money, but I don’t think either team will sniff the playoffs.
PIT 7-9, They keep hoping to get better by staying the same… I’m not seeing enough improvement, and they have too many question marks."
-BAL_Hawk

by John Stephens on Jan 3, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

When I Look At Edsall's Resume' it is Evident....

Maryland has hired a fantastic football coach. He was in high consideration for the Irish job last season, was reportedly offered the GaTech job once, and would have certainly been scooped up in the very near future by a major program. Maryland is lucky to have acquired him. When I read this fanpost, I don’t see a coach who was mediocre for what he achieved in the Big East….I see a coach who took a Division I-AA school to the big time, and won two of the past four Big East Championships (yes, shared, but championships nonetheless). He did that with UCONN! Not Pitt. Not West Virginia. But UConn; a mid-major football school, if you will, able to join an AQ BCS Conference, and compete. No, the Big East is not the ACC, but UConn is not a major football program either….I would have never guessed just a few years ago, that he would have had UConn competing with the Big East schools. He didn’t do it in Conf USA, the MAC, WAC, or Sun Belt……he achieved these results in the Big East. And guess what….he beat a West Virginia team that destroyed Maryland. This was a much better hire than what the Miami Hurricanes made, a much better hire than the Pitt Panthers, and a much better hire than the Vanderbilt Commodores.

by sullyzz on Jan 2, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

because he's making reasonable arguments

that have some factual basis instead of just hyperbole and invective?

by kba26 on Jan 2, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ok then please retort

How is “transformative excellence” 1-5 vs Rutgers please explain

by settleten on Jan 3, 2011 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Because he did it with a program that before his tenure

would have been destroyed by Rutgers every single time, rather than lose by 3, 4, 2, and 11 points, and winning by 19. You can’t just hold his record directly up to the other candidates without considering the specific advantages and disadvantages of their respective positions.

by kba26 on Jan 3, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

guess we'll see

But the good word is that the ad even feels screwed over on this one aka he wanted someone else. But most uconn fans are like “meh” regarding edsall leaving and some are excited that Leach might instead go to uconn. Btw Michigan crushed uconn this year. Louisville shut them out 26-0. Not sure that is excellence by any standard.

by settleten on Jan 3, 2011 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But they also beat West Virginia….and we all know how Maryland performed against the Mountaineers.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

woahhh there

the west virginia that played uconn was an entirely different team as was maryland by the end of the year. our offense has dramatically changed, and WVU got wrecked by the same NC state that we easily handled. if maryland and WVU had met in a bowl we would have destroyed them

Lets gooo Maryland

by Terrapin13 on Jan 3, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

A big portion of that

Was the injury of Noel Devine. He got injured, I believe, the game after Maryland. Their offense was never the same with him at less than 100%.

Also, MD played WVU in Morgantown (a really difficult stadium to play in) and Uconn got to play them at home.

AFC North 2010 Predictions from the Baltimore Beatdown:
"I still think that [the Bengals] are going to give the Steelers a run for their money, but I don’t think either team will sniff the playoffs.
PIT 7-9, They keep hoping to get better by staying the same… I’m not seeing enough improvement, and they have too many question marks."
-BAL_Hawk

by John Stephens on Jan 3, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate

that you are making some pretty reasonable arguments. So what are your thoughts on the following position?

Fridge and Edsall both turned pretty crappy programs into above average programs. We just ran Fridge out of town, so how can that be the justification for hiring Edsall? Especially when Fridge’s body of work was objectively better than Edsall’s? At best, Edsall’s body of work suggests he is a Friedgen-level coach.

So was it Friedgen’s age? His health? Is that what made this all worth it?

It clearly wasn’t to increase the excitement around the program or to fill the seats, so it had to be about on-the-field considerations. And the numbers suggest this is a totally lateral move.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This is probably the thing that bugs me most about the hire. I think it is a really good point.

AFC North 2010 Predictions from the Baltimore Beatdown:
"I still think that [the Bengals] are going to give the Steelers a run for their money, but I don’t think either team will sniff the playoffs.
PIT 7-9, They keep hoping to get better by staying the same… I’m not seeing enough improvement, and they have too many question marks."
-BAL_Hawk

by John Stephens on Jan 3, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

At best, Edsall’s body of work suggests he is a Friedgen-level coach.
So was it Friedgen’s age? His health? Is that what made this all worth it?

This. Though I’d say at worst Edsall is Friedgen-level. However, he’s 11 years younger and far more likely to be around for the length of the extension necessary to effectively keep Friedgen.

by kba26 on Jan 3, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

$$$$$

Do you have any idea the money UCONN and the state dumped into that program to make it competitive> How many other D-1 programs get brand new football stadiums??

by Asnis71 on Jan 3, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

NC State had Philip Rivers

And were playing good for a little while. And they never beat Fridge.

by settleten on Jan 4, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple points in response:

1. I don’t think it is “evident” that he is a fantastic coach. Arguable yes, evident no. If it was evident, I wouldn’t have been able use some pretty objective numbers to put his accomplishments in perspective—very similar to the coach we just ran out of town.

2. Your Pitt/Miami/Vandy comparisons just don’t work. None of those schools were looking at someone like Mike Leach (Miami could have got a big name, but they badly needed a stable coach, and they got a good one in Golden). We had a chance at a big name that has on-the-field success and we didn’t get it. If we weren’t looking at Leach, and other hot names like Malzahn, I think more people would be okay with the Edsall hire. You can’t look at this in a vacuum. For you to have your position, you have to say “Edsall > Leach.” Most people, reasonably, can’t reach that conclusion.

by bshock on Jan 2, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If I've learned anything from the baseball hot stove in the internet era, its only to evaluate the final move and not everything thats rumored beforehand

Theres plenty of things that we don’t know. Maybe Leach came into the interview dressed as a pirate and spent two hours talking about how he would regularly lock all his players in sheds if they’re girlfriends failed a weight check. Theres too much noise out there these days to know for sure how close we really were to getting Leach and how good of an idea it actually would’ve been.

by kba26 on Jan 2, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If he won 9-10 games a year

and sold out Byrd, I’d build the sheds.

by bshock on Jan 2, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach won more than 9 games ONCE while at TT

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

because getting over the hump against Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma St. (not to mention the few random good years of Kansas St. and Kansas in there), is clearly the same situation that he would be walking into at Maryland.

Oh wait, we have Virginia Tech, a rising FSU, and a bunch of down programs.

Also note the “if” at the beginning. I wouldn’t mind having an intelligent debate about these things, but I seriously can’t handle responding to every ridiculous statement made on here. It reminds me why I didn’t have to go to class to get A’s while at Maryland.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

So…..he could hang with the Big12 cellar teams, even blow them out, but not so much with the big boys eh? Looking back at their past schedules, that is exactly what it looks like. My favorite….when Bama shut them completely down in the Cotton Bowl (13-10) after they blew through the cellar dwellers of the Big12 with 50 and 60 point games….except, as you point out, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Texas….guess you forgot that A&M had some tough seasons back then, and Nebraska wasn’t so great either. That season was especially memorable, because after Bama EMBARRASED Leach, Greg McElroy switched his committment from Texas Tech to Alabama, and the rest is history. You must have skipped college altogether, and just dreamed that you got A’s. Leach was a fantastic offensive coach, but NOTHING for defense, and he would have never won a championship.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Who are you? And why have you suddenly started posting on this web site? Just got an account this morning? Are you actually KA?

by TerpFan2001 on Jan 3, 2011 1:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Does It Matter....

Been on SB for much longer, usually on the Federalbaseball site….as an alum, I’m not allowed, since I have a difference of opinion?

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

This sullyz dude must be a relative

He’s making the same statements in support of edsall everywhere….we get it, he won the Big Easy with an 8-4 record via a tie-breaker, and he tied for the title some other year, at 8-4 or 9-3. Bottom line is Mike Leach was % points on a stupid BCS computer away from playing for the Big 12 title, and possibly a national title, and wanted the job

by Asnis71 on Jan 3, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How many tickets did UCONN sell to the Fiesta Bowl?

Sully…being the Edsall authority that you are, why didnt UCONN sell their tickets?

by Asnis71 on Jan 3, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I Give Up......

Please explain. How many tickets did Maryland sell at RFK? Should have been a sell out.

"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We sold out our share

http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121610aab.html

Please don’t talk about things you don’t understand. Obviously you are either a blind follower of the administration’s decisions or you have personal ties to edsall. It was not a good hire compared to Mike Leach.

by mrwhitey on Jan 3, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the article, “Maryland fans can still cheer on the Terps by purchasing tickets to the game through Ticketmaster.” If this were a football school (ie, PSU, Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, FSU, etc), RFK would have been sold out. Maryland fans could still buy tickets, regardless whether the school sold their “allotment” or not. This has nothing to do with “the hire” but the sorry excuses for not supporting the team. The only “smart” response I can think of, is that the game started when most locals were still working, making it difficult to go. BTW….since I agree with the hiring decision, that makes me a “blind” follower of the administration, or having ties to the coach? Sounds kinda juvenile to make that accusation simply because we have a difference of opinion. BTW, even though I don’t agree, I respect your opinion that Leach would have been a better hire. In some cases, I feel you are correct, but mostly, I do not.

"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values

by sullyzz on Jan 4, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW…..not supporting the team is not only a UMD problem, it is a DC problem. If teams are doing well, you can’t buy tickets…..if teams are mediocre or doing poorly, fans of other teams come to DC and take over our stadiums and arenas. If winning though….probably the best and loudest fans in the country. Verizon Center rocks now with the Caps. But the Wizards? Nats Park was rocking when Strasburg pitched that first game, and was a nice sight of things to come…..but otherwise, Philly has made it look like Citizens Bank Park. The Skins? Remember the days that season tickets were impossible to get? I was shocked that the Steelers fans were able to come into FedEx and literally take over.

"Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do" - USAF Core Values

by sullyzz on Jan 4, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is reason #1 Ralph got fired- not a good comparison at all

So why bring in another guy that doesn’t excite the state of Connecticut, a wealthy state mind you, with the resources to travel???

by Asnis71 on Jan 4, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Was that coherent? Try using paragraph breaks.

This is what I took out of that rambling attempt at a response:

1. You first attempt to make some insinuation that I said Leach could only beat the Big 12 cellar teams. I don’t believe I said this, or that anything I said could be reasonably construed in such a way. I made a pretty bland point—it is harder to win a lot of games against good teams than it is against average teams.

2. You then mention Alabama shutting down Texas Tech’s offense in a bowl game. Okay. Does Alabama play in the ACC? Because the point of my post was to argue that Leach could come in and have success against a pretty average conference.

3. You then start to mention random Big 12 teams. I assume suggesting that Leach did not have much success against those teams. I’m not sure why you did this, because it kind of agrees with the point I was making—the Big 12 has tougher teams than the ACC, but Leach had success against average teams—which the ACC is filled with. Under your own argument, Leach would probably win 9 or 10 games in the ACC, because there are more average teams.

4. You then go back to “that memorable season” (have you been talking about one season this whole time? I don’t even need to point out the flaws there). This transitions to the McElroy comment, which I guess is a reflection on Leach, though I’m betting the decision was based on more than the result of a single bowl game. And would McElroy have started over Graham Harrell? I really don’t think he even would have played in the Leach era.

5. You then transition into an insult, which is fine, since I insulted you first. But mine was better, because it was true, and true insults are mean, but effective. Yours was just “I know you are, but what am I.”

6. You finish by going back to Leach. I would suggest that retaining Don Brown may have helped on the defensive side of things. You wrap up your conclusion with a completely unsubtantiated prediction about Leach’s future (lack of) success in the ACC. I find that particularly amusing, because you started this sparring by taking exception with my “if-then” statement, which wasn’t even a prediction.

Seriously dude, you just keep screeching about how you like Edsall, and it strikes me as just wanting to be non-conformist. Point out some new statistics, and come up with some fresh arguments other than “he took UConn from 1-AA to 1-A and into a BCS game!” Everyone admits that is commendable. We’ve also all pointed out a bunch of reasons why that isn’t enough, and you haven’t really responded. You just keep with the same old stuff. It’s annoying.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatever Dude…..you can’t take it that someone disagrees with you. If Edsall is “not enough” for you, then fine. Leach is “not enough” for me and many others. You want a “Jerry Glanville” clone and clown running your program, that really hasn’t accomplished anything but one fantastic season in the Big12, then that is your opinion and perogative. Discount the ACC all you like, but any coach coming here still has to deal with FSU, VaTech, Clemson, Miami, Boston College, and hated rival Virginia….yeah, those programs have been struggling lately, but don’t kid yourself….they can smack you in the mouth on any given Saturday. You mentioned how tough the Big12 is, but outside of Oklahoma and Texas, the other teams have not dominated the Big12 either. Everyone is star-struck on that great Leach offense….and I admit, probably one of the best passing attacks in recent memory. Everyone keeps forgetting some of the other headaches with his public demands for more money, not to mention the controversy with the “shed” incident. If that stuff was behind him, it would be a little different….but his lawsuits will continue, and would continue to have an unwanted impact on the Maryland program. Is Edsall the “perfect” hire? Nick Saban would be the “perfect hire”, so no. Edsall, however, for ALL the reasons I have repeatedly demonstrated, is a great hire, and will be better in the long run than Leach. Of course, Leach is the best short term solution for getting fan support….everyone loves running to the fire and seeing an accident. If that is what Maryland wanted, and not long-term success, then I am sure they would have hired Mike Leach. I look forward to a defensive strategy, hopefully using a sound running attack and ball control offense…..Leach would not provide that. As for me being annoying….leave that kettle alone; I’m only annoying because you don’t agree with me.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm fine with disagreement

As long as we are disagreeing over things that are actually up for debate (heck, disagreements are the basis for my livelihood). I think we should start again, as I don’t think we are all that far off—based on some of the things you said in other threads.

Looking at all the measurables, it is pretty hard to distinguish Edsall from Friedgen. I don’t mean that in a bad way. I think Edsall is a good coach. Leach has a better win/loss record than both, but started at a better starting point. Comparing the three of them, I think all we can safely say is that you’ve got 3 good on-the-field coaches. I think it is pretty hard to differentiate these three based on head coaching ability.

Are we disagreeing about this? This is where my “annoyance” stems from—I feel like you keep arguing this point, which is nothing but unsupported opinion. I’ve never said Edsall is a bad coach, just that he really isn’t much different than Fridge (or Leach).

Probably the main reason we didn’t extend Friedgen was because of business reasons—5 more years like the past 5 years (middling records, quickly declining interest in the program, average recruiting, etc) was deemed to be a “bad” thing by Kevin Anderson, and by everyone that supported a change. Do we agree that this was the main reason for a change?

Now, since we are hopefully in agreement that Leach, Friedgen, and Edsall are basically equals in the “coaching” category, we are left with primarily the “excitement” factor. We needed to reinvigorate the fan base, get some national media attention, and put butts in the seats. I think Leach would have done this from day one, better than both Edsall and Fridge. I don’t think this point is really up for much debate either.

Basically, I think, and I think you do as well, that consistently winning will get the fans to come back. But I don’t think we can reasonably differentiate between the 3 coaches as to who will lead to the most wins. Therefore, arguing about that is silly. The reason I think it was a bad hire is because it was pointless. We already had a good coach that couldn’t create a buzz around the program (unless he were to consistently win). We just replaced him with a good coach that won’t create a buzz around the program (unless he consistently wins).

This seems not only pointless, but in light of the fact that we could have a coach that would have generated significant excitement, it seems like a bad move.

We hired a guy that “fixes” a problem we didn’t have. Excitement was the problem. Viagra may be a miracle drug, but it’s not gonna cure baldness. Similarly, Edsall may be a great coach, but he’s substantially less likely than Leach or Malzahn to fix the excitement deficit facing Maryland.

I hope that cleared up my stance a bit. I just don’t really understand why we were debating what we were.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It was said that

he interviewed well and MD got cold feet and decided to go the safe route instead =/

by Meraj Chowdhury on Jan 2, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

There are perfectly legitimate reasons for them to get cold feet

especially if Plank, who was figured to be the biggest backer of Leach involved, wasn’t even pushing for him. Some people may consider those reasons less significant than others, but they can’t be disregarded entirely. There are reasons Leach still hasn’t found a new job.

by kba26 on Jan 2, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't on the Leach's

bandwagon…I was pulling for Malzham. Just stating the reason they backed away from Leach per Jeff Barker (i think) on twitter.

I thought Malzham may have been best for this team due to his ability to recruit and direct great offenses. He is also way younger then the above mentioned coaches. Malzham+Don Brown would have equated to success…

by Meraj Chowdhury on Jan 3, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

tend to agree

There were any number of good candidates. Malzan will be a hc soon…sadly not at MD

by settleten on Jan 3, 2011 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep…..probably a smaller institution first, right where he needs to be. No major program is going to hire him when there are plenty of assistants out there that have over a decade of proven experience at the collegiate level, with some of those having served at the NFL level.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Still Confused.....

How you can compare the resume’ of Edsall to that of Malzahn, and still think that Malzahn would be the better hire. But I respect all opinions.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think

edsall will take us over the top. I think he is an EXCELLENT candidate for a program who needs building but for us, I think our fridge is stocked with talent. Malzhan has directed multiple top 10 offenses as an OC, even though he doesn’t have the extensive experience. Also, he is an excellent recruiter. These two assets will help him in this area. Malzhan+Don Brown’s high powered defense would bring a lot of intensity to our program. A lot of forced turnovers combined with insane scoring would bring a lot of national attention to our program.

by Meraj Chowdhury on Jan 3, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It is like when

an NBA team would prefer the #1 draft pick over a solid NBA veteran. Sure, the draft pick has never played an NBA game, and has no NBA resume—but that doesn’t mean his tools don’t project to great success.

Malzahn is known as a very good recruiter. He has had wild offensive success everywhere he has coached. And he has implemented numerous schemes with vastly different personnel—showing that he really is a brilliant offensive mind, and not just the lucky recipient of Cam Newton.

He also is a really “hot” name, and would be a sexy pick that the fan base would rally behind—not an insignificant factor.

It is the fact that he has all the tools to be a GREAT head coach that make people want him.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For The Malzahn Lovers.....

What about Kirby Smart, the DC at Alabama? Won the National Championship last season as the DC at Alabama, with the Nation’s best defense. Shut down Malzahn’s offense in this year’s Iron Bowl, with Awbarn only having 300 total yards….70 of those from a blown coverage pass. Auburn’s defense was ferocious in that game, which is why they actually won the game. Kirby has had stints at FSU, Georgia, LSU and the Miami Dolphins. Florida wanted his services this season as a DC….Georgia tried desperately to get him last year as their DC. He will likely be Mark Richts replacement at Georgia, and is likely the unofficial coach in waiting at Bama. Best yet….a Saban disciple. I would hire him 10 out of 10 times over Malzahn, and am surprised he wasn’t contacted.

by sullyzz on Jan 3, 2011 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think the numbers would change much

But it would probably be more accurate to look at these stats from 2004-present when UConn joined the Big East. That’s probably a better comparison.

by wittcap79 on Jan 3, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

Good point

I have all the numbers, I’ll update tonight.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

winnable games

at least edsall won the games he was supposed to win. fridge lost to freakin middle tennessee state, not once but twice. not to mention our schedule was terrible this year. we beat one good team all year long and got manhandled by a west virginia team that uconn beat. From being in a big east market and watching this guy, his teams are well prepared and come to play. just give him a chance, especially with a qb who can play.

by icegoalie519 on Jan 3, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Valid

Definitely good he wins games he should win (30-3). But Fridge did that as well (19-3). You bring up strength of schedule, but Edsall inarguably played a weaker schedule than Fridge—year in and year out.

I hope he wins—and he might. But I still fail to see any appreciable proven difference between Edsall and Fridge.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fair

I don’t necessarily agree that it is significant, or that it outweighs the negatives of firing an alum that led us back to relative success, but I do agree it is an advantage.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure there was

Extend him, or don’t extend him. We chose the latter—the option was always there to choose the former.

Now, I was definitely in the “time to move on from Fridge” camp. But that was for one reason only—our program was stagnant, and needed a jolt of energy to get to the next level. Getting a younger, healthier coach would be a peripheral benefit.

But the younger, healthier coach argument seems to be a pretty weak reason by itself to refuse to extend Fridge. It’s not like the guy was missing games because of bi-monthly heart attacks or something.

by bshock on Jan 3, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, you COULD have extended Friedgen

but I can’t see how that is at all a viable option. If they gave Friedgen a 5 year or so extension, I’d be far more upset than if they hired someone far less qualified than Edsall to be the coach.

by kba26 on Jan 3, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

2004 - 2010

I keep wondering what would have happened if Franklin had left for Vanderbilt last year (I know not very likely given the season they had) and this whole chain of events was set into motion. It seems to me that people would be overjoyed to upgrade to Edsall, even if it was before he had the BCS bowl on his resume.

One of the arguments I continually hear about Friedgen is that he has been mediocre (or worse) since his dynamite first three years as head coach. During the time period from 2004 to 2010, his record was 44 – 42 (24 – 32 in the ACC). Edsall, over that same time period, coached UConn to a 50 – 37 record while going 22 – 26 in the Big East. He also won two conference championships over that time period. As has been mentioned over and over, the two coaches are remarkably similar, though Edsall has been consistently improving and Friedgen has been stagnating or regressing.

I’m personally a fan of the Edsall hire considering the alternative, though admittedly it wasn’t executed in the best manner.

by booth not boo on Jan 3, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Hey folks, UConn blogger here

I think some of you might be underrating what you’re getting with Edsall, but I certainly understand why a lot of you are not thrilled with the hire.

However, the numbers can be pretty damning. Earlier in the season, at UConn’s low point, one of my co-writers wrote “”http://www.theuconnblog.com/2010/9/19/1697746/an-indictment-of-uconn-football" target="new">An indictment of UConn football with mystery charts."

Here are the charts:

The top chart tracks every OOC opponent UConn played under Edsall. The bottom one is for Big East opponents. Wins are on the left, losses are on the right, and the final records for each team are listed next to their name. It’s pretty grim (though it would like slightly better if updated to reflect the end of this year).

Anyway, if you have any Edsall-specific questions, feel free to drop them here and I’ll be glad to answer what I can.

by Andrew Porter on Jan 3, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Please don't muddle fantasy with fact

“We got a damn good football coach”. We needed a “really great football coach”.

I am really scared that Anderson is in way over his head.

by settleten on Jan 4, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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