The Return of Big Ten Expansion Talk: Alvarez Says Conference Expansion Will Look East
Look, I think the whole expansion talk gets as overdone and annoying as you do. But when the biggest news of the day is receiving a new beat writer and there's some expansion stuff to talk about, I'm going to talk about it.
Personally, I'm just waiting for the realignment deal to be over, and it nearly was. But then comes this, from Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez:
"I'm not sure about continued expansion, but it would not surprise me. Our commissioner (Jim Delany) thinks outside the box and is always thinking how to be progressive and proactive," Alvarez said. "We will continue to study expansion throughout this year. It would not surprise me if we continue to expand. We've always talked about and had research done that we haven't taken full advantage of Penn State being in the east and we need someone else in the league from the east to maximize Penn State. It wouldn't surprise me if we went that way."
Of course, that's speculation, and not very exact. But it's inexact speculation from a very powerful, very informed man, and it's more solid information than I've heard from anyone else.
Unfortunately, this might signify that realignment - and discussion over it - isn't done yet, and may get more intense. If the Big Ten wants to go to 14, they'll do it. And if they want to go east, then Maryland would easily be one of the top candidates. You already know the whys and why nots, but it's highly possible that all that could change with the two very important hires coming up.
Maryland still needs to find a president and an AD. If either of those have Midwest ties, belief in the Big Ten's academic superiority and desire to be a part of it, or hopes for stronger football, it's very possible that Maryland - unlike they did under Dan Mote or ACC-centric Debbie Yow - would be receptive to or even campaign for a spot. Yow has a history in the ACC, and was emotionally attached.
If the new AD is Joe Castiglione or a guy like Dan Gavitt, would it's tough to imagine they'd have the same emotional connection. I'm less knowledgeable about the president hire, but he and Board of Regents will be making a very difficult decision if this happens.
For some readers, this stuff is exciting. For others, it's annoying. Whichever way, though, it doesn't figure to go away for good anytime soon.
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As stated before, I'm all for it
Too many advantages to the university — academically, athletically, economically — to pass up. Big Ten membership would benefit College Park for decades to come.
Since it’s highly unlikely the Big Ten would expand only to 13 members, this probably means two would be chosen. From the conference’s perspective, the two most attractive and logical candidates are Rutgers and Maryland (with Syracuse also a possibility in an expansion to 16). I know many Terrapin fans have emotional ties to the ACC, but the Big Ten is the only conference I would leave it for. For public institutions, it’s the equivalent of the Ivy League.
Big Ten
Does the Big Ten have any lacrosse teams? I did not see it listed under Men’s Sports in the Big Ten website.
Eww, eww, eww.
I’ll give up on Maryland b-ball with we join the Big 10, but I’ll be more interested in Maryland football.
"[The] dictionary is the only place that success comes before work." - Vince Lombardi
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 31, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
Re: Big Ten and men's lacrosse
I believe Penn State and Ohio State currently field teams. Were Maryland and Rutgers to go in, there would be four members (the same number as the ACC currently has for men’s lacrosse); whether that would be enough for it to be recognized as a conference sport under Big Ten guidelines, I do not know. (While five Big Ten schools — Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin — have men’s ice hockey teams, there is no Big Ten ice hockey championship. Minnesota and Wisconsin play in the WCHA, the three others are part of the CCHA.) If the Big Ten grew to 16 members, adding Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse and Notre Dame, you’d have six schools with men’s lacrosse programs.
Let's Do It!!!
I am more than ready for this. It is obvious that it is only a matter of time before the Big 12 loses some more members and when that happens the SEC will take the ACC’s best in football. So let’s be proactive and take advantage of all the opportunities Big Ten membership would bring, educational, huge increases in Research money, and much more money from the BTN.
Can you imagine what it would be like to have Ohio State, Penn State (again), Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Iowa coming to Byrd (or Fed Ex and/or B-more) vs. the same old tired teams of the ACC. We need a change!!
by frencha012981 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but can you imagine how much Maryland BBall would suffer
Maryland is, and always will be, a bball school first…
In the ACC we have:
-Duke, UNC for bball
-Va. for every non-revenue sport (people dont realize, MD and VA and prob the two best schools in the US for NRSports)
Also think about the fact that these are student athletes, they cant go this far without missing days of class at a time. With the current conference, Va, Vtech, Duke, UNC, Wake are all within a 6 hr drive…
Miami/Gtech/BC arent that far by plane
This way they are actually student athletes; with B10, they’ll literally be away from class for 10-12 days at a time. The more the “student” aspect of it fades, the more we’ll have pure athletes, and the more we’ll probably have involvement with agents, etc. opening the way for more allegations, and then we’d be Fu*ked.
by aMo on Jul 31, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Basketball would not suffer
I agree with you, aMO that U of MD is and always has been a basketball school. But since football is paying for all sports within a university these days, isn’t it time that we become more than just a basketball school. I love football and have always loved Terp football, but since we screwed up and did not upgrade the facilities like Bobby Ross wanted, we have been just an average at best team. I would like for us to be BOTH a basketball and football school. The Big Ten is certainly not lame when it comes to basketball. They really have more of a “balanced” basketball conference than the ACC. Take out Duke and UNC from the ACC and how many team ever get to the Final Four? So let’s not play all our cards on basketball.
I don’t agree with you, however, about the STUDENT ATHLETE thing. It IS what they are supposed to be, but they have not been student athletes in over 30 years. College sports such as football and basketball are big-time BUSINESSES now and nothing else. It is a sad thing, but that is the reality of the situation. And finally, we can always schedule UNC and Duke in basketball every year. I actually think we could recruit better being in the Big Ten than in the ACC.
by frencha012981 on Jul 31, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Football drives the engine; that's where the Terps must point the bus
I understand how many people love ACC basketball, but truth be told the glory days of a 7-team, closely-knit conference aren’t coming back. If basketball were that big a deal, a national power such as Kansas wouldn’t have found itself dangerously close to being without a conference, as almost happened in June. Like it or not, football runs the show — and frankly, there isn’t much of a show where ACC football is concerned. (Ironic, since the conference was founded primarily for football, in response to the Southern Conference’s no-bowl policy.)
With Big Ten football, you get brand names — real brand names — coming into College Park each fall, teams such as Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Nebraska and Iowa. Even the least of these would have more pizzazz than Florida State or Miami, leading to an eventual expansion of Byrd to 65,000 seats or so. And the Big Ten isn’t bereft of strong basketball, not with programs such as Michigan State, Ohio State and Purdue.
Moving to the Big Ten had all sorts of benefits for Penn State in the past two decades, not just in sports (without the Big Ten, its basketball teams probably still play at dilapidated Rec Hall), but in academics and research; anyone associated with PSU will tell you that. The same thing will happen to Nebraska over the next few years, not just athletically but academically as it takes part in the Big Ten research consortium, the CIC. I want Maryland to receive all the advantages of Big Ten membership, giving it higher stature among American flagship universities.
Oh, just one more thing: “U of MD is and always has been a basketball school.” Not if you examine university history. As recently as the early ‘50s, basketball games at Ritchie Coliseum were held as preliminaries to…intercollegiate boxing (ask Bud Millikan). What I’m saying is, things change, and often to do what’s best for you, you’ll have to change, too. And for the University of Maryland, joining the Big Ten would benefit it for decades to come.
Big Ten might pass Big East/ACC supremacy in basketball...
If they were to expand to 14 or 16 teams with the likes of Maryland, Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh/Rutgers. You put those teams with Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue and a back to form Indiana, that league has more prestigious programs than the ACC and woulf give the Big East a run for its money. You lose Duke and UNC, but gain Michigan State and Syracuse. The title of “basketball school” would still be there for us, and I dont think it would hurt our recruiting, and it will certainly do nothing but help the football program.

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