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Summarizing the Pros and Cons of Maryland and the Big Ten

What makes sense? What doesn't? We're on it.

You'd be hard-pressed to be find more of a hot-button topic than conference realignment right now. Yes, part of that has to do with the fact that there's nothing else going on in college athletics to cover it up, but we may be seeing a cataclysmic change the likes of which have never been seen in the NCAA.

No longer does all the controversy center around the Big Ten (the Pac-10 and MWC have both made their moves), but they're still the 800-pound gorilla in the room. It's been speculated - and sometimes a little more than speculated - that if they decide to expand to 16 teams to match the Pac-10, Maryland will be a major target for expansion.

With little else to discuss, its been this potential - and the rest of conference realignment - that has dominated discussion around these parts. Unsurprisingly, it has generated a ton of debate, with each side citing their own special brand of arguments.

For convenience's sake, I decided to try to summarize the arguments and backing of both sides, the pros and cons of the situation, in one post. Even though I'm sure plenty of you already know my stance, I tried to remain as unbiased as possible, because I'm becoming more neutral by the day. I apologize if I didn't include your argument of choice; let me know and I'll add it. Also, I don't necessarily believe everything I've written down here.

Into the rabbit hole:

*BTW - We have some stuff coming up in the near future to at least take some of the focus off expansion. Apologies for focusing on it so heavily lately.

Star-divide

Pros

Financials

Maryland is a public university with a relatively small endowment ($400m). They're hardly a revenue powerhouse, in the middle of the pack in the ACC in both football and basketball revenue. UMD was 41st overall in 2008, which is good but hardly great and a far cry from the Michigans and Ohio States of the world. The basketball program is one of the more valuable in the country, but is often outearned, even by lesser programs like Oklahoma State. To make matters worse, Maryland is one of the few schools that sponsors as many as 27 athletic teams. That's great for a variety of reasons, but also stretches the (already average) resources rather thin.

In short, UMD doesn't exactly have a fortune to spend on athletics. This manifests itself in a variety of ways. The decision to keep Ralph Friedgen was likely influenced by economics. Maryland's men's basketball assistants are paid peanuts. Byrd Stadium is unspectacular and all expansion efforts to it haven't fixed that. Gripes about having to take buses instead of planes were all too common last year as budgets were cut tighter and tighter.

One of the biggest money producers for any athletic department is the payout they get from their conference. The ACC, by virtue of their previously poor and now average TV deal and lack of success in football, has lagged behind most other conferences (except the Big East) in revenue. Thus, they also lag behind in payout. Quite frankly, unless you're Duke, UNC, or Syracuse, football is almost a necessity to succeed. Football stadiums hold an extra 30,000 people (or more) and games receive generally much higher ratings than basketball games, probably due to the fact that people, on the whole, like football a lot more than basketball.

Even for Maryland, which is a basketball school through-and-through, gets more money from their mediocre football program than they do from basketball. Needless to say, football is where the money comes from.

All of that was just a precursory explanation for this: the Big Ten earns a lot of dough. Much, much more than the ACC, in fact. In 2008, Big Ten schools earned $550mil in the two biggest revenue sports, football and men's basketball; the same year, the ACC's teams grossed $372mil in those same sports. Each team from the Big Ten gets roughly $22mil annually, which is "the envy of every conference" outside of the SEC and assuredly larger than the ACC's own payout. Shockingly, that number could double through expansion if it breaks right, shooting up to $40mil. That's not a small chunk of change, especially when you consider that the B10 could double in revenue if expansion goes as planned.

That's not a small chunk of change. The benefits should be obvious. Football and basketball would have more money to spend on recruiting, coaches, facilities, and just about whatever they darn well please. As a nice little bonus, the 27 team ideal could be retained, which has been a priority of the department for quite some time.

Any argument that is made about the Big Ten and Maryland has to - or at the very least should - center around the economic benefits of making the move and their relative merits against the reasons to stay. We'll get to all that later.

The Potential Football Bump

Part of this probably has to do with the previous point, which is at the center of the argument. But the Big Ten figures to offer its own inherent benefits to the football program (or not; again, we'll get to that later).

For one, Byrd Stadium will be packed several times a year. Sure, half of them may be takeovers by hostile fans, but as long as Maryland is going to be average at football they might as well sell tickets. The more tickets that are sold, again, the better it is for Maryland. More tickets equates to more revenue, which equates to more money to spend on the football team to make them less embarrassing.

Not to mention that plenty of football recruits want to play in the Big Ten the way basketball recruits want to play in the ACC. Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State are far easier sells than Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and FSU, especially to anyone not tied to the South. Ohio State and Penn State, after all, have raided Maryland for years. There are plenty of reasons for that, but it's notable that they're both Big Ten teams, not, say, SEC squads, which rarely venture North.

It generally holds that the better competition a team faces, the better they'll do over the long haul. Illinois and Northwestern occasionally get to bowls and have grabbed some very good recruits over the years. It wasn't long ago that Purdue was a contender, and Iowa makes themselves known every once and awhile. Indiana is arguably the only doormat of the league, but even they were relevant a few years ago.

The first few years, when the adjustments are being made, may be difficult, But it's very possible that the football program would be stronger after a decade in the Big Ten than it is right now in the ACC. Everything traces back to money, and the Big Ten would give a lot more of it.

A Real Rival

Duke has UNC. Virginia has Virginia Tech. Maryland may hate both of these schools, but they're hardly rivals in the truest sense of the word. A real rivalry has to be mutual, and neither of those are, at all. Neither side likes each other, but both Duke and UVA have other teams to hate more. Maryland doesn't.

Except, maybe, Penn State. PSU is an old rival, but they haven't played in forever. Like Maryland, Penn State lacks a rival that shares their feelings: Ohio State has Michigan and Pitt has West Virginia. Both teams are rival-less, yet are nearly perfect matches: border states, run into each other on the recruiting trail, fans have an irrational dislike for each other. Perfect match.

A move to the Big Ten would involve playing Penn State every year, or at least quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see a rivalry pop up out of that, which would be great for the fans and may be able to be exploited financially, too.

Academics

Yes, academics. Economics are the real reason for expansion and every team's desire of it, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Academics likely play a minor role in any motive, but there can still be positive side effects. The biggest of those side effects would come in academics.

The Big Ten carries not only an athletic connotation, but an academic one. Schools have bragged about being a "Big Ten research institution", and even though the ACC has a similar number of great universities, the Big Ten has a much greater reputation.

Maryland is quickly rising up the academic food chain in the world, transforming themselves from average to one of the best public institutions in the country in a very short period of time (relatively), but they still lack the reputation of a world-class education (outside of a few select programs, like criminology and journalism). An association with the Big Ten, and its academic counterpart the CIC, may alter that view. For the Board of Regents and President of the University, whomever it may be, that's well worth examining. After all, their job is to make the University provide as good of an education as possible.

Getting Out of Dodge

This is a stretch, admittedly, and can only truly be examined if a certain few events happen. Mainly, the ACC would need to be raided by another conference, and perhaps the logical replacements (Pitt and Syracuse) to be gone or turn down ACC invitations.

Think of it this way: the SEC is looking like they won't try to raid the ACC as it stands, but we all know that the attitudes around expansion change daily. If they decide to expand and Texas A&M or Oklahoma isn't enough or doesn't comply, then it's likely that Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, or Georgia Tech would be major targets. It's also likely that at least one of them would jump at the potential of a lot more money and avoiding a potential ACC collapse. For the sake of discussion, let's say FSU and VT jumped ship to the SEC.

If that happened, the ACC just would lose two of its biggest revenue-producers in its most economically successful sport, football (we already went over this - the ACC may be a "basketball conference", but football is still where money is made). If, for whatever reason, Syracuse, Pitt, and perhaps UConn aren't the replacement members, the ACC will be looking mighty bleak. West Virginia? USF? ECU? The ACC would not be nearly as attractive as they are right now for TV deals and would likely produce less revenue. That means a smaller payout per school, and we already discussed finances.

At that point, of course, it's highly likely that the Big Ten - potentially Maryland's best option if the ACC disintegrated, ala the Big XII - would be done with expansion. Maryland, meanwhile, would be stuck in a tradition-filled conference that was economically untenable. The argument of people who accept this position is that Maryland would be well served to get out the ACC while they still can and avoid a potential disaster scenario, perhaps a merger with the Big East or a status as the weakest of the SuperConferences.

Hey, if any of that goes down, Maryland would have essentially switched conferences anyway.

The ACC Itself

A lot of people love the ACC, and with good reason (reasons we'll get to later). But quite a few people find plenty of legitimate gripes with the conference, too. Its historical bias in Maryland officiating, for example, whether it's imagined or real. Its probably real bias toward Tobacco Road schools. The recent botched expansion attempt and unwillingness to expand itself. The belief that Maryland is treated unfairly and isolated due to its "Northern" status.

Whatever the reason, the ACC isn't a perfect conference. Clinging to it for beliefs of tradition may be clinging to a group that is doing Maryland harm, not good. And if you don't like the ACC, for whatever reason, you certainly feel no obligation to remain a part of it. Right?

Cons

Tradition

If you seriously value tradition, the entire above section might've meant nothing to you. Because, quite simply, Maryland and the ACC are tightly wound into each others' fabric. There is no ACC without Maryland. Seriously: they were a founding member. And bonds like that are tough to break.

It's the conference in which Maryland won their first and only basketball national championship. It's the conference in which almost every single Maryland fan grew up. It's the conference in which Lefty Driesell attempted to make Maryland the UCLA of the East. It's the conference in which Maryland played in the greatest game of college basketball ever. I could go on, but I won't. In short, it's the conference in which everything great that Maryland has ever done actually did. And that's worth plenty.

Jeff Barker likened abandoning the ACC to leaving a company you've been a part of for a very long time. You're losing familiarity, tradition, and sense of loyalty. Yet to true diehards to this argument, it may be even more. Maryland would perhaps be abandoning a part of itself, leaving behind its family members in favor of a little more dough and a bunch of vague uncertainties about academics and a slightly better football team.

Leaving Behind Duke, UNC, UVA, etc.

This is similar to the above point. Ask yourself this: would Maryland's basketball season be the same without Duke and UNC (and UVA, to a lesser extent) to look forward to? Even if those aren't true rivalries or anything close to it, they're still games every Maryland fan circles on the calendar and looks forward to.

Our second-biggest day of traffic ever (behind the John Calipari Facebook impersonator) was when Maryland beat Duke this year. There are a ton of reasons for that, but the biggest, by far, is that it was Duke. Nothing fires up a Maryland fan like beating Duke. Who could forget Vasquez knocking down that runner with time running down? Or what about Boom Osby's diving layup to top UNC a few years back? These memories are amazing, and leaving the ACC would not only be leaving them behind; it would also leave behind the potential for them to happen on a regular basis in the future.

Who else will provide that date-circling incentive for Maryland in the Big Ten? Michigan State? Indiana? Penn State? Will beating them make you riot?

Football Struggles

It's definitely possible that Maryland's football program would receive a serious boost by Big Ten membership. It's also possible, maybe more possible, that being a part of the Big Ten would nearly permanently relegate them to bottom-feeder status.

Going up against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and maybe Notre Dame on a somewhat regular basis? Can Maryland truly be expected to win a conference with those four teams in it? Even if the Terps do get a major boost in revenue and use it to transform themselves into a better team, what're the odds that they'll be able to outdo those traditional powerhouses? Likely slim to none.

Oh, and football recruiting has shifted full-force to the South. Joining a northern conference may not be the way to go if the future is what we're watching.

Basketball Styles

The ACC plays fun, up-tempo, attractive basketball. They're also traditionally the best basketball conference, and were probably the best last season. Despite people calling the ACC weak far too often, the actual stats still have them at the top of the conference basketball food chain. Recruits commit to ACC schools because of the conference they play in (sometimes).

The Big Ten? Not so much. Their games are defensive slugfests, knockdown, dragout fights with a significantly slower tempo than the ACC. Oh, and besides the Pac-10, they're arguably the weakest basketball conference in the NCAA. Almost no one says "I committed to ____ because I was really attracted to playing in the Big Ten."

Maryland, by the way, is a basketball school. Ask basically anyone. A rather large drop-off in the sport that is far and away the favorite for fans is almost never a good idea.

That's not to say that everything about basketball would ultimately go down the drain if Maryland joined the Big Ten. Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, and Purdue are all quality programs. But a chance remains that it would not be an equal program, even if fellow basketball schools like Pitt and Syracuse joined up.

Bye-Bye, Fun Roadtrips

Want to go to an away game? If Maryland's in the ACC, that's not that bad; just drive down to UVA, VT, or UNC. If Maryland's in the Big Ten, forget about it. Looking to drive to Michigan, Indiana, or Illinois? In the dead of winter? Even Penn State is filled with cold and snow over the winter.

This, of course, also brings up the very obvious geographic problems. Maryland isn't a Midwestern school, and being paired with a bunch of Midwestern schools (plus Rutgers, maybe) makes very little geographic sense. This is college athletics, and conferences are supposed to be based on geography. This argument may seem nostalgic and out-of-date, especially with Colorado in the Pac-10, but it's still applicable. There's a chance that Maryland will be the redheaded Eastern step-child of the Big Ten the same way they're the redheaded Northern step-child of the ACC. The more geographic sense a conference makes, the more likely it is to be cohesive.

Conclusion

Is one side right? It'll be a very long time before we ever know for certain. Both sides have compelling points, even if it ultimately seems to boil down to finances vs. emotion. For the record, neither of those are bad. Money makes the world go round. Emotion is what makes it worth experiencing.

The only think we know for certain is that the next several months will be very interesting.

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Great evaluation

This is by far the best overall evaluation of this issue. People have responded (like me) out of more emotion than a true realistic evaluation. But even though I am very biased towards joining the Big Ten, my comments have never captured the pros and cons like this article has. Kudos to this article!!

I have read this article several times, and when I look at it from a truly pro-con prospective like this article, it seems very clear to me what our option should be -JOIN THE BIG TEN!!

by frencha012981 on Jun 12, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the point about being a basketball school is my main issue.

*Outside of Mich St and sometimes OSU and Wisconsin, the Big ten is a crap basketball conference. There’s no quality in that conference.
*Playing Duke and UNC is a huge deal. Unless we can figure out a way to get them on our schedule, we’ve lost a great rivalry that’s got all the campus buzzing the days before hand. Who the hell is going be excited about playing Wisconsin and Illinois? I’ll tell you, NO ONE.
*Like you guys said, we were terrible in the ACC, a mediocre football conference, what are we gonna do in football for the Big Ten, have our first winless season in the modern era? No one will come, even if it’s a big opponent, if it’s a fore-gone conclusion that we’ll lose. I’m an Orioles fan, and I don’t like playing the Yankees and the Red Sox, because even though they are good teams that are popular, I know we’re most likely gonna lose, and that doesn’t make me want to go.

But if the only concern is the bottom line, fine go the Big 10, but if anything other then the money matters, stay in the ACC!

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 12, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

BIG 11

 Good point. Does anyone wanna see a 43/39 game W/ Minnesota, ect. Money looks good, but MD will get smacked all over the Football field forever.

by PADGE on Jun 13, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Solid evaluation, BB

There’s just two gripes I have with your post:

1) I don’t know any UVA fans who believe that V Tech is a bigger rival than Maryland. Not in basketball, not in football, hell: not even lacrosse. UVA and Maryland are definitely each other’s rivals. In addition, I live in NC, and trust me, Duke fans may not get as excited for UMD/Duke as Duke/UNC, but we are by far right up there in terms of their second rival. And I would say the exact same thing about UNC and UMD.

2) Again, because I actually live in North Carolina, I understand more than anyone what it is like to be a Maryland fan in the North Carolina heavy ACC. But coining Maryland as the “northern redheaded stepchild” is so far from true I cant explain it. Maybe being in MD you just imagine that you guys are left out, but Maryland is viewed as just an important school as any other. And think about it: if any school in the ACC is an outlier, it’s BC, FSU, Miami, G Tech, etc.

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by beavs on Jun 12, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

That's fair

I’ll give you #2; it’s just sort of mentality a lot of Maryland fans have. The conference is undeniably NC-centric, but I can see where others would feel just as we would (BC even moreso).

FWIW, I wouldn’t doubt that UNC and Duke get up for us as #2 rivals, but we’ll never be their “primary” rivals. I was raised in VA and live there now, so I know UVA & VT fans pretty well, and I can feel pretty comfortable in saying that UVA considers VT a bigger rival than MD. That said, it really all depends on the fan. I’m sure every MD fan has a different hiererachy of dislike for UVA, WVU, and Penn State, for example.

by Ben Broman on Jun 12, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to disagree with Beavs

Sorry beavs, but I have to disagree with you. You have great points, but I also lived in NC for many years after living in Baltimore from birth to the age of 15. Having lived there for a long time, most of my best friends are still from there. I found out immediately upon arrival in NC that I was a northern yankee outsider, and it was a big relocation issue for me. Everyone there knows that the South begins south of DC and anything above that is NORTH. I also lived in Atlanta for 2 years, and people there always asked me why MD was even IN the ACC. My first experience at going to FSU for a football game resulted in insults being hurled after we sat down for no less than 5 minutes such as “Go back up North damn Yankees”, so obviously MD experiences feelings of being outsiders, as I know BC currently feels as well. I live in Boston now, and there is a feeling of being an outsider of BC being an “outside Yankee” as well.

All of these “feelings” are really irrelevant though, as this issue is more of a long-term financial issue than an emotional one.

by frencha012981 on Jun 12, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Phenomenal Read

Ben, this is great work. As an interested 3rd party it hit all the pros and cons and was very informative.

It would be my personal preference for the ACC to stay together as is or try to be proactive and snag Syracuse, Pitt or Uconn. If y’all leave I won’t have an excuse to go to Comcast Center. The ride just keeps getting more and more interesting.

by collegegameballs on Jun 12, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maryland is the definition of the Atlantic !!!

The real southern states consider us the north and the real northern states consider us the south. It would be a tragedy to see us leave the ATLANTIC coast conference. The Big 10 is a midwestern conference. We will once again be the “child left behind”. And speaking of rivalries I would like to renew that rivalry with WestVA especially if the football game between us 2 is competitive this year.

by ATLredskin on Jun 12, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Emotion and financials not separate

Great compilation. After reading this and thinking about it, it occurred to me that there may be less of a likelihood that this will go very far in terms of consideration by Delaney and company than we may think. Because the many emotional/historical dimensions listed in the con section may be shared by the Big Ten fan bases, i.e. little interest in Maryland, particularly in football, which is the driver. And if the decision makers don’t feel a buzz, they may think the TV ratings would also be low, and ultimately not worth it.

by livedincole on Jun 13, 2010 3:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You can't be held hostage by basketball...

…not when football dwarfs it as a moneymaker. And the advantages of Big Ten football compared to the ACC (aura, ability to fill and eventually expand Byrd Stadium, the higher ticket prices you can charge for premium visitors such as Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan and now Nebraska) more than offset the relative disadvantages of Big Ten basketball (which is a stronger conference in hoops than the ACC is in football). There’s also no reason Maryland couldn’t be competitive in Big Ten football; perhaps it wouldn’t be a perennial power, but being in that conference would likely improve recruiting.

Academically, while there are some fine ACC institutions, the Big Ten has more land-grant schools similar to College Park, and its research consortium could provide hundreds of millions of dollars in benefits. (Nebraska is building an M-Square type research facility, which I’m sure was looked upon favorably by Big Ten presidents when UNL was accepted into the conference.)

Big Ten membership would benefit the university — financially, academically and athletically — for decades to come. Passing it up for the sake of preserving basketball games with UNC and Duke would be foolish.

by vp19 on Jun 13, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

if schools like clemson, fl. st. and va tech leave the acc, the acc will become a 2nd tier conference. the way things seem to be headed is that there is going to be be 3 super conferences. pac 10/16, the sec and the big10/16. if md moves to the big 10 it means million and millions of dollars. there is no reason why with additional money the football program can’t improve. the basketball program should always be good. the big ten would bring in millions more for the academic side as well. do you sit back and hope the acc stays the same which still will put them way behind the big 3 super conferences? do you sit back and watch the acc go backwards with some of the “football” schools leaving for the sec and the conferences drops down significantly or are you pro active? you gotta think if the pac 10 becomes 16 the big ten will go to 16 and the sec won’t want to be left behind and they will expand. college sports is big business and it makes good business sense to go to the big 10. as far as rivalries go. we really don’t have one in the acc and calling penn st a rival at least in football is a stretch for now considering md is something like 1-35-1 lifetime vs penn st. that’s like calling the hammer and the nail a rivalry but the hammer always wins. most people shy away from change yet a lot of times change is really good.

by fkterp on Jun 13, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

A minor point....

but with the exception of lacrosse and possibly baseball, non-revenue sports would benefit from the higher level of play in the Big Ten. Although I’m not sure if expenses would increase or decrease. In the ACC, for every van trip to UVa, there’s a trip to Boston and Miami.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This wouldn't bother me so much if...

you guys who are supporting the jump to the Big Ten would just admit that all you care about is money here. You try to throw in all this BS about how it would benefit us athletically, academically, blah blah blah. Just stop with the shit, because it is obvious that if anything besides the money, all I can here that you guys care about is how great it would be to play against Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Wake the hell up, these teams are OUT OF OUR LEAGUE in football. That isn’t going to change. Am I going to debate with you that we wouldn’t attain more revenue by joining the Big Ten, no! But that’s not the point, we aren’t sitting here about to go bankrupt. Who gives a shit if Byrd Stadium isn’t the end-all, be-all of stadiums? Who cares that our teams have to take buses instead of planes? Get over yourselves if you think we’re too good for that. Embrace our history, stop making it seem unworthy of your fanhood.

by beavs on Jun 13, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

money is the biggest issue no doubt. but without the money the whole atheltic program goes backward. college sports is big big business. as much as most would rather things to remain the same it probably won’t. and if the acc becomes a lesser conference which is very probable the basketball team will suffer. though basketball is number one with a high majority of md fans football brings in the far more money and it’s college football that is causing the change in conferences. same is true at kentucky where kentucky basketball is g-d but ky football brings in more money. same is true at kansas. of course it’s moeny but there are a lot of other things involved which many are for the good. i think everyone needs to look more long term than just about today.

by fkterp on Jun 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

and one thing about the style of play in the big ten vs acc. most don’t like the defensive tough slower paced big ten basketball and i agree. but styles change in all sports. look at football in the big ten, and what was the big 8 and sw conference 20 yrs ago. all running, very little passing. now look at the big 12 and big ten. everyone passes and passes and passes. and basketball will change too.

by fkterp on Jun 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

So what if no one plucks anyone for the ACC?

Then do we move?

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

if no one leaves the acc the acc still would be far behind the new super conferences so i think you need to be a part of a super conference to be successful.

by fkterp on Jun 13, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you need to be invited first. but i think looking long term if you get invited and the numbers look good, you go. if you get invited and choose to stay in the acc and other acc schools go elsewhere i think the conference is in trouble. the acc would be more on par with the western athelic conference or the mid american conference. you might be able to bring in a couple of good “basketball” schools but the reality is football drives the bus or in this case the armored car with the cash. and most schools you would be able to bring in are lesser academically like a temple, west va., ct., syracuse or nova. and i would doubt maryland would want to lower academics so they can be more competitive in basketball with schools like that. though i’m sure most fans could care less if a kid can read or write as long as the kid can shoot the 3 get 15 boards a game or can run for 150 yds a game or get 15 sacks a year. and looking at the grants big ten schools get for academics, well you just can’t ignore that.

by fkterp on Jun 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Fun Road TRIPS!

What fun road trips! We WOULD take some fun road trips if we were in a conference that valued both football AND basketball. But who is going to make a “fun road trip” and really get excited about it , to go to Wake, NC State, Duke, or even UNC in football! It is a joke, and that is how we have gotten ourselves in this predicament. Yes, I get PUMPED every year when I see MD going to Duke and their world-class football stadium (oh, I am sorry, did I say stadium). I love all the excitement of those 1,000 Terp fans and those 8,000 Duke fans! Please, let’s make a change and join one of the 3 Super Conferences of the future and make some MONEY, so we can eventually play football in a stadium that resembles a university and not a big high school!!

by frencha012981 on Jun 13, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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