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Reviewing the Super-ACC: An ACC Response Plan to Big Ten Expansion

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About a month ago, I floated an idea about what the ACC could look past this apocalyptic expansion era that seems all but inevitable. At the time, it was meant to be somewhat humorous. Now, it looks like almost possible.

First, let's get caught up on the happenings around the NCAA when it comes to expansion. The Big Ten expanding is a secret about on the same level as the NCAA expanding the tournament field to 96 - the question is just when it will be announced and finalized. Pete Thamel of the NY Times makes this seem like the next step in the march to Armageddon, using quotes such as "utter turmoil" to describe the landscape.

Piggybacking further off that NYT article, it becomes increasingly apparent that the Big East is doomed. Syracuse's AD said it in the article; awesome Syracuse blog Troy Nunes thinks it, too; an ESPN blogger says their "only card" is that Notre Dame joins the Big Ten and Delaney is contented, but that seems unlikely.

Syracuse's AD seems to think that the Big 12 will fold away as well, leaving just four super-mega-power-conferences, all with 16 teams: the Big Ten, the Pac-10, the ACC, and the SEC, presumably with Texas and the like joining the SEC. That eerie possibility seems more and more likely by the day.

The next step of action, after the process reportedly accelerated, comes today, at the BCS meeting in Scottsdale, AZ, where Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney is the center of attention. Even if every other conference is ready to expand or die, they must wait on Delaney and pick over what he leaves out.

But as expansion turns from possibility to inevitability, the ACC must evaluate their own options and pray that the SEC decides to turn southwest to Texas instead of east to Clemson. Surprisingly, the Super-ACC might be more possible than we originally thought, but not nearly as good looking.

Star-divide

The original plan assumed that the Big Ten would go to 14 and get Notre Dame; both of those look unlikely right now. Let's play out the dystopian scenario set forth in the Times:

  • The Big Ten goes to 16, adding Missouri, Rutgers, Nebraska, Connecticut, and Pitt.
  • The SEC retaliates with a few of its own, like Texas A&M, Oklahoma, or the almighty Texas. If they instead poach Clemson, FSU, or Miami, which seems a possibility, the ACC might be playing the role of the Big 12 in this scenario.
  • The Pac-10 picks up some Big 12 left-overs, like Colorado, and goes after the mid-major powerhouses of Boise St., Utah, BYU, or TCU.

What does that leave the ACC? Syracuse, which might want to be in the ACC anyway, is the obvious fit and probably the best choice. Past that, the ACC is left with a myriad of difficult decisions and potential options. Looking at a few:

  • West Virginia: Great athletics and geographic fit, but academic concerns.
  • Louisville: Just as good athletically, but poor geographic fit and similar concerns regarding academics.
  • Cincinnati: See above.
  • South Florida: Would strengthen the Florida contingent, but isn't a powerhouse athletically nor academically.
  • East Carolina: Tobacco Road would be happy and they bring a decent football team to the table, but does the ACC really need another Carolina team?
  • The academic concerns will almost certainly be have to be thrown by the wayside. While I'm not exactly in favor of bringing in a community college, this sort of catastrophic event would basically make it eat or be eaten. To survive, the ACC might have to swallow some less than great academic schools.

    Honestly, with better fits like UCONN, Pittsburgh, and Rutgers possibly joining the Big Ten, the ACC will have to bite the bullet. West Virginia and South Florida would be the front-runners, and it would probably be between Louisville and ECU for the final spot, with the other going to the SEC (the ACC's hand may be forced on this one).

    What would that conference look like? Well, it wouldn't be pretty, and it certainly wouldn't be the utopian (or as close as you could get) version that I had proposed earlier. That won't happen unless the Big Ten stops at 14, which would probably surprise a lot of people at this point.

    The scheduling method would the stay the same, though the divisions would have an uglier break. Probably something like this:

    North: Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Boston College, East Carolina/Louisville, Wake Forest

    South: Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Duke, N.C. State, North Carolina, South Florida

    While having Wake in the North isn't ideal, there's no other option; at least they were never really truly as "Tobacco Road"-y as UNC, Duke, and N.C. State, and don't have the same legacy. 

    If the ACC wants to get out of this looking good, they'll need some help. If they want to get out of it at all, though, something like this might be necessary, especially if the Big Ten makes an unexpected phone call to College Park.

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This gets worse every day

To me, having 4 superconferences would ruin the NCAA. I don’t know why, it just feels that way.

by terpfan812 on Apr 20, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

16 Teams Rather Than 18?

Is it possible to have an ACC with 16 teams rather than 18?

They should go out and grab UCONN and Syracuse before the Big Ten makes their pitch.

I REALLY don’t want WVU in the ACC! WVU is honestly one of the worst institutions of higher education on the east coast. I would gladly take Louisville over WVU if it came down to it. Even though Louisville and WVU are both “tier 3” schools, Louisville is much closer to “tier 1.”

by terps! on Apr 20, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I am very ignorant when it comes to this topic...

So, can someone please explain to me how this all works? Stupid questions (probably): Can a school just leave a conference at will? If they can, whats the major attraction with the Big Ten? How does losing one or two schools snowball into having an entire conference cease to exist? Why will other conferences feel the need to grab schools, too (assuming the Big Ten does, in fact, expand)? What is the main motivation of all of this? I’m assuming it’s money. Finally, what are the odds (in whoever’s opinion) that we actually end up in another conference?

Like I said, I know nothing about this subject. I am very interested however. If an article answers all these questions than just link it and I’ll take a look.

by TheDalyShow on Apr 20, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I wrote a very long response to this and it got erased

But I’ll give it another go.

They aren’t stupid questions, by the way; they’re actually pretty good ones. This rivals the healthcare bill in terms of complexity. It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of people making these decisions aren’t quite sure as to the answers for all of them.

1) Basically yes, though they have to pay a severance fee of sorts and will probably be faced with a lawsuit after the fact. But neither will stop them from leaving, and they’re not legally required to stay in the conference against their will.

2) Lots of cash and a great reputation. Revenue would increase a ton, and the Big Ten has an extremely strong academic and athletic history. I’ve seen schools use the fact that they’re in the Big Ten as a bragging right academically; never heard that from the ACC.

3) In the case of the Big East, it’s that they lose a lot of prestige and power. Even if they nominally exist, it won’t be as a power conference. No conference could survive the loss of three members and possibly a fourth without really suffering from it; who would they replace Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt, and Syracuse with? Buffalo and Marshall just aren’t quite the same. Other conference members will recognize this, and will probably jump ship on their own if they see a stronger conference on the horizon. Then the Big East is left with a conglomeration of MAC and C-USA retreads, and that’s a far cry from a power conference.

4) To keep pace, basically. The Big Ten would have an inherent numbers advantage over others – more bowls, more NCAAT teams, more publicity, way better chance of having championships, better TV deals, money from TV markets, etc. They most of their money from TV deals, so the more games they broadcast, the more eyes that see the games, and the more networks the carry the games, the more money they get. If the other conferences stand pat, the Big Ten will have a huge advantage in terms of numbers and money. Eventually, the reputation it builds and the revenue it brings in would give its members a leg up on everyone else. The conferences try to protect their members, and so would expand to keep them on as even a playing field as possible.

5) Same reason the NCAA is moving toward a 96-team field: cash.

6) Rather slight at this point. Any Big Ten interest in Maryland is strictly speculation at this point, and they have a lot of programs they might call on before Maryland. I don’t even know if MD would listen if the B10 called. If there are more developments, things might change, but it’s safe to say Maryland’s safely in the ACC right now.

by Ben Broman on Apr 20, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be great, BUT we don’t have the kind of tv revenue as the Big Ten with which to preempt them. A Rutgers is much more likely to go for the “money now” conference than the “get in on the party before we order the kegs” party.

by nathan42nathan on Apr 20, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

What if

the SEC poaches two ACC schools to get itself to 16? Say Miami/FSU or GT/Clemson gets invited or all four of them. Does the ACC try to get Nova to bump its football team to full-time D1 in 2012? Does it raid CUSA?

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Was considering a post on that, too

It’s turning into a damned series.

I’d imagine Nova and possibly Georgetown in the future, and swallow up every member of the Big East that the Big Ten didn’t take. C-USA only has one feasible option w/ ECU; everyone else is in Texas or thereabouts. Maybe Marshall? Buffalo? That’s the disaster scenario, in essence.

by Ben Broman on Apr 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to have a lot of fun

watching this trainwreck. Because if the SEC decides it wants 16 teams as well the ensuing dominoes will make the ACC look nothing like the ACC that the old Tobacco Road “expansion is the devil” bunch. The resulting ACC would be more than their sweatervest-wearing hearts could take.

I’ve worked out a couple of scenarios in my head. To get to 16 we’d have to add teams like L’ville and Memphis. And if four teams were to skedaddle then Central Florida and Marshall would have to be involved to get to 16. But if four go, I doubt the ACC goes bigger than 12 teams so that doesn’t happen.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I doubt a lot of what outside sources are saying

A lot of people think the ACC acts rationally and would try to keep pace. Thanks to Tobacco Road, we don’t, so maybe we won’t.

by Ben Broman on Apr 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they'll get what they've been wanting for 20 years

a return to an eight-team league with the NC schools, us, you, the Hoos and BC.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nova football

It is unlikely that Villanova or Georgetown for that matter would bump their football programs up. Not enough fan support to generate revenue and bring in 40-50,000 or more fans to home games. BC and Notre Dame are the only Catholic schools who support FBS teams, which shows how rare it is for them. It’s a good idea, but probably wouldnt happen.

by tgrote on Apr 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nova

is getting ready to start dumping more money into that program. They’ll soon be playing at the Philadelphia Union’s stadium in Chester. I bet they petition for FBS in 5 years.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, why did they put a stadium in Chester?

Used to live in Downingtown. Chester isn’t exactly my idea of a fun place to go catch a game.

by Ben Broman on Apr 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having never been to Philly

my answer is “fuckifino”.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ACC should be the one to make the first move...

Like this guy up here said, go and nab Syracuse and UConn awhile – they probably weren’t heading to the Big Ten anyway. Then to make this 16 team conference that everyone is talking about, add Georgetown and Villanova instead, as non-football members. All four fit and improve the academic profile of the conference as well as increase an already potent basketball league. The ACC will never be a football league, so why settle for medicority in both football and basketball?

by tgrote on Apr 20, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great idea! If I were an AD in the ACC, I would vote for that option. I just don’t want any “community college” type institutions (e.g.-WVU and ECU).

by terps! on Apr 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I like that idea.

One thing I never really thought about is what would happen to the Big East. They are the best basketball conference. I like the G’Town and Nova as non-football members.

by terpfan812 on Apr 20, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maryland clearly needs to act in its own long term interest now and not blindly follow the ACC lead

The ACC is highly dysfunctional right now. It is more than the Carolina problem. When Gov. Warner forced the ACC to withdraw its offer from Syracuse and give it to VTech, Maryland and BC were isolated. If the ACC adds more schools in the south, we will be further isolated. It means we need to go with Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn. If they go Big Ten, we need to go there also. Now we need a Athletic Director that can get past her own agenda and persue the interests of Maryland.

by wmterp on Apr 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think the whole point

is that the four leagues would separate from the NCAA. So any effort by the NCAA to “stop” it would only be met with laughter.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Record scratch!

That – the 4 conferences leaving the NCAA – blew my mind. Is that really the plan? It seems like that would definitely throw college sports for a loop. Its hard to believe there might be a world where the NCAA tourney is like the NIT, and everyone hopes to get to the “Final Four Conference Tournament.”

This a great offseason topic, Ben. Even if nothing happens, just imagining the possibilities – good and bad – is pretty entertaining.

by terpZ on Apr 20, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow I hadn't read the article yet, that is simply a recipe to kill college basketball. Totally totally totally insane.

I would rather the ACC be at the nine teams they had before adding VaTech Miami and BC still, as the ACC double round robin was simply the pinnacle of my sports viewing experience from 1992-2005 or whenever. It would be a real shame to see this occur. These schools have enough frigging money already good lord!!

If its not enough simply stop bidding up coach salaries so daggone much and reduce player rosters to like 70 from 85.

by settleten on Apr 20, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Virginia Tech fan

the death of college basketball would be of little significance to me. The guy who was quoted in Pete Thamel’s story in the New York Times said the four leagues would have their own basketball tournament as well. If it’s a 64-team tournament Virginia Tech might have a chance of getting selected as long as the four leagues remain at 16 teams apiece.

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by furrer4heisman on Apr 21, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to be in the same conference as WVU.

by terp2k12 on Apr 20, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Could you imagine WVU in our conference

Any AD would be insane to allow this. We may not like Duke, but think of WVU fans actions towards Pitt (a incident with their coaching staff comes to mind). We don’t need that crap.

by terpfan2011 on Apr 21, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but it would be kinda cool

to have such a rivalry not onlt for us but UVA and VTech as well

by MurlandTerps on Apr 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ACC needs to strike first blood

If the Big 10 is about to act, why would the ACC sit back and get their sloppy seconds? In my plan, I’d put the ACC in a lockbox…

But seriously, in my plan, we’d try to go after Syracuse and UConn, Pitt and WVU right now and get them locked into the ACC. Yeah, I know, WVU isn’t exactly one of the higher academic schools, but if we can pitch the Syracuse-UCONN match-up as well as the Pitt-WVU one, I think all 4 schools would bite. We gain 2 great basketball schools w/ two mediocre football programs in Syracuse and UConn and 2 good football and basketball schools in Pitt and WVU. We also balance out the southern-ness of the ACC and shift that northward and in essence D.C. almost becomes the center of your conference, which can only be good for MD. I think MD’s best case scenario is that the Big 10 approaches us to join and we then use that as leverage for the ACC to add Pitt, Syracuse, WVU and UConn. If the ACC won’t budget, we say see ya later. But the ACC knows if they lose MD, they lose the DC market and they open the doors for others to raid the conference, so I think they’d try to meet our demands.

The end result would be:
An ACC North of: Maryland, BC, WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, UVA and Va. Tech
An ACC South of: Miami, FSU, Clemson, Wake, UNC, Duke, NC State, Ga. Tech

Hmm…I’ll probably turn this into an entire post….

by Dave Tucker on Apr 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

16 Team Conference

I really don’t see anyone going to 16 teams. See how much of mess scheduling is for Big East basketball on an 18-game schedule? Imagine how screwy it would be for 8-game football season.

On that point, this move is being done for football. No one wants a basketball-only conference. Georgetown and Villanova will get left out.

And by the way, what would the 11 team Big Ten call itself after expansion?

by ivan24 on Apr 21, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

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