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Greivis Vasquez vs. Jon Scheyer: Comparing the ACC Player of the Year Candidates

One very entertaining thing came out of a very unentertaining UNC-Duke game last night: Dick Vitale calling for Greivis Vasquez and Jon Scheyer to share the ACC Player of the Year award.

The idea, which is not unprecendented, believe it or not, is certainly interesting, but rather non-sensical. They haven't been equally as good, as Vitale implies - one has been clearly better. I know that it's not worth presenting facts and logic in response to Dickie V, but I'm going to do it anyway. Below are the season long stats for both Greivis and Scheyer in the three major statistical category (for the sake of fairness, I should mention that I'm leaving out turnovers and 3pt%, which Scheyer leads, as well FG%, which Vasquez leads in):


Pts Reb Ast
2009 - Greivis Vasquez 19.6 4.6 6.3


Pts Reb Ast
2009 - Jon Scheyer       18.9 3.5 5.2

Advantage in all three major statistical categories: Vasquez. Remember, too, that Vasquez did this with an awful start, while Scheyer was lighting it up out of conference. While neither OOC or IC play technically matters more (the language is simply "best player"), many voters give nodes to who performed better in conference, and that is unquestionably Vasquez. Just take a look at the in-conference stats (calculated by hand, because official sites haven't updated with yesterday's stats):


Pts Reb Ast
2009 - Greivis Vasquez 22.1 4.6 6.9


Pts Reb Ast
2009 - Jon Scheyer       18.7 3.3 4.6

Scheyer has regressed in all three categories. Vasquez has improved in two, and held steady in the third. It's very difficult to argue that Scheyer has been as good as Vasquez, whether its over the course of the entire season or in ACC play alone.

Of course, some take Player of the Year to mean the best player on the best team,and Duke will receive the #1 seed. But Maryland's late season head-to-head victory assured that, as the ACC sees it, neither team is "better" - they're sharing the title. And with Duke's talent-loaded team, the accomplishment seems far greater for Vasquez than Scheyer.

Luckily, Vasquez has the momentum; the last thing most voters will remember about the season is Vasquez's runner against Duke and Scheyer's ensuing miss. Had Maryland beaten Duke in the first matchup but lost in the second, instead of the other way around, the vote would be much closer and might favor Scheyer. But with Vasquez's recent performance and statistical edge, he's the frontrunner.

The award winner will be announced on Tuesday, and it should go to Vasquez rather easily.

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If they want to see a real riot all the ACC has to do is give it to Scheyer outright, haha. Even splitting it might do the trick.

by jhough813 on Mar 7, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Read my mind

Anyone who has seen both knows this really shouldn’t even be a question. If Scheyer’s jersey didn’t say Duke he might not even be top 3.

by settleten on Mar 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Who votes?

I guess I would want to know what percent of the voters are NC writers?

GV has been such a great leader of this team that he may win regardless! You make a good case.

by EdDC on Mar 7, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Dickie V

Last night during the Duke-NC game, Dick “Howard Cosell” Vitale gushed a couple of times over Scheyer being POY, and even Krzyzewski COY.

by King of France on Mar 7, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

die, dickie die

(that’s the, dickie the for you blog police)
of course senile dick is gonna argue for a split. he knows shitter suxx’s and should not be in the same discussion as of right now so he says they should share. what a croc. still can’t release his jaws off the dickie that is puke.

by mkjo on Mar 8, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

look at in conference shooting percentage…..gv leads by a wide margin

by winterps on Mar 7, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Tempo-free

Statsheet.com is able to break down the stats you’re looking for. Bonus, they have tempo-free stats:

Conference Games Only (www.statsheet.com)
- Min OffRating %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% DReb
Scheyer 94.0 119.9 24.7 26.2 47.6 54.3 7.6
Vasquez 87.4 114.4 31.8 31.9 52.0 56.5 9.3

- AstRate TORate Stl% FTRate FTM-FTA FT%
Scheyer 25.7 13.8 3.0 39.2 78-91 85.7
Vasquez 38.7 18.2 2.3 29.1 68-80 85.0

- 2PM-2PA 2FG% 3PM-3PA 3FG%
Scheyer 43-109 39.4 45-123 36.6
Vasquez 78-166 47.0 43-108 39.8

Vasquez shoots well from 2 and close to excellent from beyond the arc, and dishes assists at a prolific rate while maintaining appreciable ball control. He has accomplished this while being the most significant ball-handler and shot-taker of any ACC player, and more significant than all but 7 of any major conference player. Only Devan Downey of South Carolina takes a higher percentage of BOTH his team’s possessions and shots. Vasquez is the clear winner.

On a side note, if you would have told me before the season that Vasquez would shoot 40% from 3 in conference play, I would have told you that you were insane. That is not an insignificant accomplishment, especially given how many bad-looking shots he takes.

by ivan24 on Mar 7, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

couldn’t get the spacing right on those columns, sorry.

by ivan24 on Mar 7, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I am waiting for a knowledgeable and objective observer to make a case for Scheyer as POY

The stats, demonstrated leadership, and impact on team performance all favor Greivis.

As to Vitale’s coments, his schtick for years has been head cheerleader for the winning team for whatever game he is working.

by wmterp on Mar 7, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

slight correction

As to Vitale’s coments, his schtick for years has been head cheerleader for DUKE during whatever game he is working.

by mkjo on Mar 8, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be upset if Vasquez won but I really think Delaney is better than Scheyer.

by ManRam on Mar 8, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

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