A quick aside about recruiting
by mmford10 on Mar 20, 2010 11:35 PM EDT
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Earlier today, I was looking through ESPN's recruiting lists last year, and was really surprised to see Jordan Williams was a lowly 89 in their rating system, the #44 center and not in the Top 100 overall. Meanwhile, all he does is get runner-up to #2 overall Derrick Favors in the ACC Rookie of the Year voting, start most of the season for the ACC co-champs, and get a double-double in his first NCAA tournament game. He's arguably the second best player on a team with 3 seniors and the ACC player of the year!
Meanwhile, DeShawn Painter (from NCST who barely plays) was a 92 on ESPN (and #64 overall), Mason Plumlee was a 98 overall and a top 10 recruit, and UNC had Strickland, both Wear brothers, Henson, and some guy named Leslie McDonald (who?) all in the top 100... Yet Williams made by far the most impact on his team because he was a hard worker, is well-coached, and fits in the system. Would you rather have any of those guys over Williams? Even Henson, who is a real beast, but likely won't stay in college as long as Williams?
I just think that all this focus on recruiting simply would not exist without the Internet, and most of the insight we all have is simply based on what a few Web sites say. It would be cool to have, say, Josh Selby and Lance Stephenson and whoever else, but those kind of guys don't always make championship teams. And many of them simply never pan out at all. Do you think Lance really would have made much of a difference on our team this year? I don't, to be totally honest. Is he that much better than Cliff Tucker? Would he fit into the system and as willingly play defense as well as Tucker?
It's tough to talk about recruiting and us missing out on anyone given the success of guys like Williams.
Anyone agree with me? Should we give Gary a little bit of a break here? Or should we be kicking ourselves for not attracting guys like Selby and not signing Quinn Cook already?
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here's my link btw
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/espnu100?&season=2009
sorry about not posting it
hey can you imagine
Imagine if Gary Williams and Roy Williams switched teams. I guarantee you that that North Carolina team will of gone to the sweet sixteen while a Roy Williams coach Maryland team will be out of the NCAAs. Matter of fact imagine if Gary Williams was coaching the Kentucky wildcats…that team would be scary good.
by seatpleasant on Mar 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
dude the lance stephenson thing is a stretch
He is already better than tucker right now and will be a beast next year
no question he's a great scorer
but could you imagine another player that takes 15 shots a game in this offense? Given that Greivis takes so many and we’re able to spread it out so well? And can he play D? (note: having a few blocks does not equal being a great defender)
Regardless of whether you agree or not the fact remains that we are a great team without him… and that everyone thought our program would be resurrected with a 5-star recruit but here we are looking good anyway (hopefully)
lance smance
He looked terrible playing jungle ball in Cincy.
much better comparison
compare Jordan Williams frosh year so far to one and done Ohio State’s and first round pick BJ Mullens
Games Played
JW 31
BJ 33
Minutes Played per game
JW 24.2
BJ 20.3
Points per Game
JW 9.2
BJ 8.8
Rebounds per game
JW 8.3
BJ 4.7
Double doubles
JW 6
BJ 1
Total Rebounds
JW 257
BJ 154
10+ point games
JW 11
BJ 15
10+ rebound games
JW 11
BJ 1
Best Game
JW 19 and 12 against Villanova 8th game of his career
BJ 17 and 8 against Purdue in his 21st game of his career (19 and 8 against UNC Ashviller 9th game)
JW will be here 3 plus years
BJ 1 and done
What looks like the better recruiting job now?
Espn’s number 2 Center and McDonald’s All American or Espn’s number 44 PF and a guy who ate McDonald’s?
As a shout out to my boy B-RAD: BJ Mullens took way less shots to get his points
Tiim is about to hug you through his computer
Good points, won’t argue about Jordan’s success. Guys like J-Dub are sleepers that can have big impacts. Unfortunately, they bust as often as the boom (eg, Padge). I love having JWill, and I think that’s Gary Williams recruiting/teaching at its best, but sometimes getting those big time instant impact players would be pretty nice, too, considering how much this area pumps them out.
I have to disagree with you about Padgett being a bust. All you have to do is look at Milbourne’s freshman season to refute that.
I think he just didn't get an opportunity to get into the games
partly because of how good JWill was playing. It made Gary not want to disrupt the good chemistry on the court and therefore, other than with foul trouble, Padge just never really got in except for the end of the half or game when it was out of reach. He has showed glimpses of talent and without Landon next year and Dino and Jwill starting one of the 2 will get into foul trouble and Padge will get a lot more minutes and show up big
wishful thinking?
I think there is a common misconception that players from this area should be expected to play for UMD. I won’t even go into academic standards or how many prep players aren’t really from this area. We’re not at the level of Kansas, UNC and Kentucky just yet (to hell with Duke) so we shouldn’t expect MD area players to live and breath to play for the Terps.
I’m fine with building a solid team and adding a legit 5 start talent once in a while to complete the puzzle. Anyone can recruit (GT, Wake, FL State), but those programs aren’t better than ours.
Also, it’s hard to find five 5-star talents that are willing to be coached every year. I mean just look at UNC this year and all the stuff that Roy Williams has been venting out in the media about how uncoachable his team is.
I wish the “wishful thinking would just stop”. Wake up and appreciate what you have, down the road, when Gary retires, we will miss him.
yeah
I think we might need to recruit a priest to break this curse over our program
and...
invalidating my point from what seems like years ago is the tremendous advantage they had on the boards the entire game… would have been nice if we had another player who could rebound besides JW and DG on our entire roster
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