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Greivis Vasquez, the Rafters, and the Possibly Existent Debate

Tomorrow. The moment of truth.

Juan Dixon's banner was raised before his playing career was done. Lonny Baxter's, too. So was Steve Blake's. Will Greivis Vasquez's be?

Earlier this year, most (39%) of you said that it would take a deep tournament run for Greivis to be considered an "all-time great". Does that roughly translate to a banner-raising? I think so, though I can't be sure. So why not another poll, maybe see if anything changed?

Though the most vocal fans are Greivis supporters, you always see the occasional person debating the issue. And some people believe that, if they didn't bring a championship or the like to College Park, that they don't deserve a banner. I personally disagree, but that's their prerogative. Ultimately, it's a belief.

It's worth noting a few things: Greivis is currently 3rd in the all-time points total, and 2nd in assists. He's the only ACC player with 2,000 points, 700 assists, and 600 rebounds. Pretty select company in a league that saw Michael Jordan, Grant Hill, Len Bias, Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison, and a plethora of other greats.One has to wonder where the program would be without Vasquez the past four years, and indeed where Gary Williams would be.

It's also worth noting that Vasquez still rubs some people the wrong way as overly flamboyant and inconsistent, and that he's never brought home any major award, either team or individual.

So, despite my worries over posting this when I'm about to leave (please don't get into a flame war, I beg of you), here's the question:

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Does Greivis Vasquez's banner deserve to be raised into the rafters on Senior Night?
Yes.
803 votes
No.
104 votes

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I changed my vote

Last time I leaned to “no.” But beyond the stats, which are impressive, he’s carried this team.

He deserves a banner.

by scryber on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

i voted no

i think that in order to get up there he needs to bring home at least an ACC title, maybe a sweet 16. His numbers are great, but to be retired right away i think he needs the numbers AND team success. Blake, dixon and baxter had a final 4 when they were retired.

by nroop1 on Mar 2, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Yea but look at what he was given to work with.

Has he ever had that one guy who truly compliments his game? The guy has had freaking Dave Neal and Jordan Williams as his top big men the last two years and led this team to the NCAA tourni when no one thought we would be there.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

That is an unrealistic measure of one player

One player alone can’t take a team to a title. Mr MaLoR has it right. He never had the same type of team around him that others did. He did all you could possibly hope for in one player. He has been the face of Maryland basketball for four years, with multiple 20 win seasons.

Gary Williams for President!
Jordan Williams freshman Manbeast

by terp12 on Mar 3, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted "no"

But not because his name doesn’t belong in the rafters. In fact, it should be raised the first chance next year that we can get GV to Comcast. At the very least, the other three you mentioned had already delivered a Final Four appearance. While Lonny and Juan had yet to achieve their greatest success, we could still celebrate the team on their senior night.

Again, make no doubt about it….GV is a “first-ballot rafters” guy. But I’d rather celebrate him on a night where we can praise him, not just for his numbers and leadership, but for getting our team something else – maybe an ACC championship, maybe a Sweet 16 run, maybe something better. And if that doesn’t happen, it’s ok, we can still celebrate GV the individual. But I bet that even GV would prefer to have a team accomplishment listed as they fete him while his number goes up.

by jellis77 on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

What?!

Are you kidding me?

What Vasquez has done for us is a lot like what Waly Williams did for us. Maybe even more…
Gary Williams has said himself that Greivis is top 5 all-time. And what Gary says is the law.

by MurlandTerps on Mar 2, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

But he has the opportunity to accomplish more before he’s done. Let that be part of the celebration.

by jellis77 on Mar 2, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted "no" as well

Let me start out by saying I am GV’s biggest fan. I love the passion, intensity, and game-making ability he brings to each and every game. However, I don’t think he really has anything to his name to put up a banner for him this immediately (The 2000/700/600 thing is the best though!). I think he’ll get one next year. As jellis77 said, Lonny, Juan, and Steve already had a final 4 to their name so the banner was fitting at the time. Anyway, here’s hoping Comcastle is rockin’, and that Vaz, Hayes, and Milbourne put on a display that destroys the Dookies!!

by fedfan64 on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Walt WIlliams

Never brought hardware to UMD. Hanging from the rafters, great player

We didn’t always win

by MTD32 on Mar 2, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly...

better economy of words…

by jaypee on Mar 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Joe Smith

…up in the rafters?

I don’t think anyone would argue that big Joe deserves it. Let’s not even begin to compare the body of work for Maryland between Smith and Vasquez.

I love me some Joe Smith…even have a signed Maryland jersey from him from BEFORE the NBA draft. Joe was a huge step for Gary and the program with his raising the level of the team out of relative obscurity His total accomplishments in 2 seasons is 2 sweet 16 appearances. Nobody would argue that he made the team that was able to put the MD Basketball program back on the map though.

Vaz has done a lot with the team on his back and I think we all believe we can get to the round of 16 this season and certainly will be a huge accomplishment if we win on Wednesday. Dave Neal was my favorite on last years team but if we had someone who had some size/skill in the middle, we would have made the sweet 16 last year.

Give Vasquez the banner…if the precedent is set to do it while the player is still here then don’t slow it down.

GO TERPS!!!

by jaypee on Mar 2, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Of Course his Jersey Goes Up!

His stats don’t lie and his winning % also doesn’t lie. There are alot of Terp jerseys that are hanging that didn’t win championships so why should that matter now? Greivis is one of the top 5 Terp bballers of all time and if his jersey doesn’t belong up there NO-ONES does!

by Hey Yo! on Mar 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

it should go up

Maryland hasn’t always fielded the greatest teams to support GV and that’s a reason why he hasn’t been able to bring home any hardware. The teams have been good, but not great.

by spazerson on Mar 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

to those who say vasquez number doesn’t belong in the rafters because the team hasn’t won anything since he has been on the team. nonsense. if you had to win something as in an acc tournament or ncaa championship to get your jersey up in the rafters there wouldn’t be many jerseys hanging from the rafters. md has one ncaa championship and 3 acc tournament championships. you gonna tell me that albert king and buck williams jerseys shouldn’t be hanging up or walt williams or elmore, mcmillen or lucas/? you gotta be kiddin me. here’s a newsflash as of right now vasquez has to get some consideration for acc and college player of the year. can you name me 5-7 players having a better year than vasquez? i sure not see anyone in the acc.

by fkterp on Mar 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

he's such a big time player for this program

i’m voting yes—-

statistically he may be the best player in the history of the ACC as well

individual banners are for individual performances not for team performances (that’s why they have sepperate banners for that)

do you honestly think that with the right supporting case we wouldn’t have be final four material last year or the year before with GV?

don’t punish him for the fact that until this year the team around him has simply been non-existent

by tiimbitz4786 on Mar 2, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Greivis Show on Earth

I think that without question the banner is coming down on Wednesday. If his parents lived nearby I could maybe see waiting until next year. And that is a maybe. He deserves to hear the love with his family in the stands. I hope that we can chant him off the court with “MVP, MVP, MVP” as he racks up his second triple double in an impressive Maryland victory

by theslug on Mar 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

Greivis is straight passion and love him or hate him you have to respect how he much he is wrapped up into the game. Some guys seem uninterested. Greivis loves the game.

by tw10 on Mar 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Gary on Doug Gottlieb show

said that Vasquez’s jersey will not be honored at Senior Day, but it should be retired at some point.

You can hear it on the ESPNU College Basketball 3/2 podcast

by tyardrich on Mar 2, 2010 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Not even worth questioning…. Greivis is the MAN!

by b_wangrin on Mar 2, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

!!!

I cant believe the game is tomorrow! i’m creamin my jeans just thinking about it. The whole campus is buzzin with excitement, its all anybody can talk about. I’m off the charts excited. GO MD!!!!!!

by churl77 on Mar 2, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

I lean towards no, but I have more stringent guidelines than most

I don’t think any active player should have his jersey raised, but I’m all for having “Greivis Night” as soon as next season and raising it then.

Also, a TMI in the direction of churl77 :)

Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Mar 2, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

People who voted “No” either are terrible human beings, aren’t Maryland fans, or don’t know basketball. Ask Gary Williams where he thinks Vasquez ranks. And Gary’s opinion related to basketball >>>>>>>>>> Any of our opinions.

by JC1 on Mar 2, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

Who at UMD Determines

whether a jersey gets hung or not, is it Gary or the AD or a combination of the two that chooses that destinction?

by Hey Yo! on Mar 2, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Gary Williams said "YES"

On ESPN’s podcast tonight, he was asked if Greivis deserved to have his jersey raised into the rafters. His response, paraphrased, was: Yes. It won’t happen on senior night, but I’m certainly going to try to have his number raised up there – he deserves it.

by lovethemterps on Mar 3, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

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