A World Without the Big East: Welcome to the Super-ACC
Ed's note: This is kind of long for my normal posts, so be forewarned. Also, I'm usually rather serious, but not so much here - though this has serious aspects, it's not a serious post. More of something I did when I was bored.
Hey, everybody's doing it: expansion. The Big Ten started the craze, and the Pac-10 has since joined in on the fun. You can bet that if the two major conferences around them start to expand - and probably cherry-pick some members - that the Big 12 will respond by adding a team or two of their own.
We could be on the cusp of a major conference re-alignment. And the Big East might just go down in the chaos.
Bill Stewart, West Virginia football's head coach, seems to think it's a done deal. He implies several times that it's just a matter of time before the Big East is done with and their schools absorbed by various other conferences. If that were to happen, there would be eight teams on the market, free to go wherever they choose. The ACC, despite issues surrounding expansion already, might have no choice but to expand and keep pace if a period of seismic change does occur. In the process, the Super-ACC would be formed.
First off, let's get the Pac-10 out of the way. They aren't a huge threat. They're on the West Coast, and I don't think they'll add too many teams the ACC is looking at. Utah, Colorado, Boise State, and BYU are all options for their expansion, should they go down that road. If Colorado leaves the Big 12, that conference will be forced to react, probably adding TCU or a team from C-USA.
Then there's the Big Ten, the bigwig of the process. Having been told that it makes financial sense, the question switched from if to when. They're reportedly looking at five schools, having been turned down by Texas: Notre Dame, Missouri, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. Notre Dame is atop the list, and Missouri might be #2. Surprisingly, though, Rutgers may join before anyone else. If Missouri leaves the Big 12, they'll probably have to get another team to fill the slot, again considering a C-USA or Mountain West team.
And that, with the SEC content with their buckets of gold, leaves the ACC. If the Big Ten grabs teams from the Big East, you can bet they'll go under eventually; they're regarded as the weakest BCS conference, and even their own coaches apparently don't believe in them. The Big 12 is in danger, certainly, but is ultimately better off with money-makers like Texas football and Kansas basketball firmly in their grasp. If the ACC tries to keep pace with the rest, the Big East is where they'll go first, and it'll be a tough offer for some teams to turn down.
Let's assume for the sake of discussion that the Pac-10 goes the route of Utah and Colorado. The Big 10 ends up with 14; let's say one from the Big 12 (either Missouri or Nebraska), one from the Big East (Rutgers, "the frontrunner"), and Notre Dame, which surprisingly sees the writing on the wall. The Big 12 counters with TCU and a C-USA team like Houston, Rice, UTEP, or Tulsa.
Where does that leave the ACC? Syracuse would certainly be a big target; they were an option first time around, but decided to stay put. West Virginia, despite not being on the Atlantic Coast and not being a top-flight academic school, would make sense athletically. UCONN could join their New England brethren, Boston College; they provide decent football and solid basketball, and are a strong academic institution.
Sure, they could go just grab two of those and go to 14, but why do that? The re-alignment would present a golden opportunity, a chance to not just keep pace but to gain an advantage. And with TV deals dwindling for the ACC, that's an opportunity that can't be passed up. So, I present the Super-ACC.
Syracuse, UCONN, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh all join the conference. All present a solid football and basketball presence (hear that, expansion members?), and are solid academic institutions, with the exception of West Virginia. The conference would then get rid of the ridiculous Atlantic/Coastal division, and divide thusly:
North: Boston College, Connecticut, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
Tobacco Road-ians are happy because they get their little conference within a conference. The balance of power is solid: UCONN, MD, Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU are all good North basketball schools, while the South has Tobacco Road on their side. BC, Pitt, VT, and WVU carry the North for football; FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Georgia Tech are the leaders for the South.
Football scheduling might expand to nine conference games; the seven other conference members, plus two from the other on a rotating basis (or one, if it remains at 8). Then the conference championship between North and South would be played in the geographic center of the conference, Washington, D.C. - most likely Danny Synder's FedEx Field, though RFK would also be an option.
Basketball would be similar to the Big East method. Each team would play every team once (for 15 games), and then play either one or three extra games against designated "rivals", like they do in football - that would preserve two matchups a year for UNC-Duke, Duke-MD, UVA-VT, and so on. The tournament location, based on the new BET, would rotate - one year in Greensboro, one year in Madison Square Garden, and one year in-between at the Verizon Center.
The resulting conference would be a powerhouse, both athletically and economically. Sure, it'd run into it's fair share of Big East problems, like the double-bye in the tournament, but they seem to be fairing okay with it presently.
Is it likely? Of course not - Notre Dame joining the Big Ten is a longshot akin to finding a snowball in the pits of hell. It has plenty of issues, and God knows I'm not an actuary, so I can't say definitively if this would increase revenue. Honestly, I don't know if that "seismic" change will ever come. But it would be fun.
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Fun to think about these things. It’ll be interesting to see how the dominos fall.
Syracuse v. Georgetown is like Duke v. UNC. You need to have those 2 teams in the same conference and they need to play twice a year. I think if you add Georgetown rather than UCONN that would satisfy the basketball side of the equation. I think it also would be a better fit in ACC country for travel reasons.
If you think outside of the major revenue players as well (bball and football), the addition of Syracuse and GTown as academic institutions would be a huge boon for the ACC, and would create a Lacrosse power conference as well. I think Villanova would also be a good candidate rather than Pitt. The Nova addition would counteract the Gtown addition in the fact that both teams wouldn’t have ACC football teams, so you would be able to balance the football conferences equally.
by moewiththegimpyleg on Mar 14, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
going under the assumption that this scenario would play out you couldn’t bring georgetown or nova in because of football. also ben says ct. is a good academic school. by what standards. over the years there have been several athletes md tried to get into college park but were not allowed in. (example donyell marshall) ct is like most big east schools when it comes to athletes. if you are a good ball player you are in. having schools which are good in lacrosse would have no bearing. it’s a non revenue sport. rutgers would make sense because of the new york metro area. syracuse would make sense. pitt and west va would make sense. being on the “atlantic coast” wouldn’t matter. it’s not like blacksburg is close to the ocean. no matter who you bring in maryland still would have a real rival like west va -pitt, or nc-duke
Re: UCONN's academics
UCONN’s a Public Ivy and ranked 66 in USNWR. I specifically mentioned that they were a good academic school because I knew people would assume they aren’t.
Duke let in Sean Dockery, but they’re still a good school.
At this point just do away with conferences.
I am curling into the fetal position under my desk now. Make it go away, make it go away!
Gary Williams for President!
Jordan Williams freshman Manbeast
if that happens
I will send and angry letter to John Swofford or whatever his name is.
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Mar 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
UMD-GT
Anyone know why we don’t play Georgetown? With two strong programs a few miles from each other, there seems to be the foundation for a great rivalry…no chance of prying them from BE to ACC either?
What does GTown have to gain by playing the Terps? They are consistently ranked higher and considered the better team in the DC area, and because of that usually have first pick of all the DeMatha and DC area talent. Why play the Terps and give us something to brag about to the common recruits.
by moewiththegimpyleg on Mar 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard that the issue is where the game would be held because we’d be able to stock Verizon with fans. And, we’d refuse to have it at a smaller venue.
Gary has never been one to take on strong major conference programs outside of tournaments like Tennessee, UConn et al. The return game to Villanova next year is a refreshing break from that. Plus, Georgetown has a Duke series of unknown length. They seem to do a home-and-home then take a year off.
But I agree it should be done.
WVU
The thought of WVU being an ACC school doesn’t sit well with me. Aside from my distaste for their football and basketball teams, it is one of the worst academic institutions in the area. With an acceptance rate that floats around 90% and their recent academic scandal (remember the MBA fiasco), WVU is viewed as a terrible higher learning institution. I understand that not every ACC school has a great academic reputation (i.e.- FSU and NC State) but WVU’s reputation is on a entirely different level.
I will be extremely disappointed if WVU joins the conference!
Cuse fan here
as much as we love marrone and our potentially growing football program we still are a basketball school and we need our games against Nova and G-town. I do like the idea though, it trims the fat of the Big East and it would probably relegate the Big East to some sort of lower level basketball conference.
The football conferences are great but basketball isn’t basketball without syracuse-georgetown.
basketball does drive athletics
Football is the cash cow. If Cuse wants to instantly double it’s athletics revenues, then ACC would be money in the bank.
I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass.
don't think it will ever happen
acc alumns already regret letting in the riff raff from a few years back
Not without GTown and 'Nova
I love this idea, and have spent some free time constructing my own possible realignments. The addition of the Big East teams is a great idea IMO, but Georgetown and Villanova would almost have to be included as non-football members, meaning it would only be a 14 team football conference. The problem that occurs is what to do with all 8 football BE members plus GTown and Nova, the 2 schools that still definitely belong in BCS conferences for basketball. The SEC and Big Ten run out of spots to include all of them (although Cincy, Louisville, and USF could all very easily head back to the C-USA, or A-10 for all other sports), especially if Notre Dame joins the Big Ten. The other issue is this supposed academic prestige factor that the Big Ten values so much. The main reason why schools such as Cincy and WVU would never be considered. Awesome idea, and I think a large realignment is definitely in the near future for the NCAA
Why GT & Nova?
Why would GT & Nova be considered for the ACC if they don’t play football? Isn’t this one of reasons why the Big East is “weak” and would be ripe to be cherry picked? The idea is to become stronger financially, not academically.

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