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Interview With UMD Athletic Director, Dr. Debbie Yow - Part 1

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As some of you heard today, we've been working on a special story that all of us here at Testudo Times are very proud to share with you. It gives me great pleasure to announce that Testudo Times had the opportunity just over a week ago to sit down with  Maryland's Athletic Director, Dr. Debbie Yow. We were honored with the opportunity to speak with Dr. Yow and ask her about various aspect of the athletic department and touch on a large number of topics. We'll be posting the interview in two parts, with the second portion going up later today. We hope you enjoy this and hope it gives you some good insights and information. And we also hope to be able to sit down with Dr. Yow again in the coming months and continue to do so on a quasi-quarterly basis.

So, without further ado...

Debbie Yow: What do you want to talk about first?

Dave Tucker: How did you get into intercollegiate athletics? I know you started out as a basketball coach, but what made you go from one to the other?

DY: Well, I’m from North Carolina, so I was coaching high school and I got the head job coaching at Kentucky, at age 25, which just doesn’t happen. It was stunning. I probably wasn’t fully prepared for it, but anyway, I’ve always had opportunities at a younger age to do things, that’s just one example. 

So when I was at Florida coaching later, they wanted to…there’s a man named Hugh Culverhouse, who owned the Tampa Bay Bucs. And he was on something called the Gator Booster incorporated Board of Directors and there was an athletic director there named Bill Carr, who’s a terrific guy. Long story short is they wanted to try to find a woman to fundraise and they had never had a woman ever in the history of University of Florida athletics do fundraising and so they were kind of discussing the profile that they would need. Evidently, Mr. Culverhouse said, "Debbie could do this," and Bill said "Yeah, she could."  I wasn’t ready to retire from coaching, I was very young – I was only 35. But I talked to my husband about it and he said "Hey, you know, you don’t decide when opportunities come along. You can pass on it, but don’t pass on it thinking you’re going to get more opportunities like that. Just know it might never come around again. And I was never a person who wanted to be 55 and coaching, and I knew that. And both of my sisters do and did. Kay before she passed away last January 24th, and Susan still coaches now and she’s lifelong coach.  And I never wanted to do it into my 50’s. So, that’s kind of how I transitioned; that’s my first administrative job.

DT: I know you said you wanted to be out of coaching by the time you were in your 50’s, but do you ever regret leaving when you did? Do you ever miss being on the sideline?

DY:  If I do, it’s not really fair for me to do that. Because you can’t have everything.  What I miss is what most coaches miss who retire. And that is the connection with the players and going to practice. Just the teaching atmosphere and being able to do that; it’s just really special.  And of course the great wins, I don’t miss the times where I lost a great player to Tennessee in recruiting, or a bad loss or something. Your tendency is to remember only the good things is what I’m saying, and that’s not realistic either, so I kind of have to bring myself back to reality. 

I was happy when I left. I’d been a head coach for 8 years and I’d averaged 20 wins a year when we didn’t play nearly as many games as we do now. So I’m happy with all of that in terms of how it worked out. And every team I ever coached, that had never been in the top 20, there was no top 25, it was top 20, went into the top 20. So I’m fine with it. I’m fine with it. I love what I do. 

DT: When you first started doing this to where you are now, what are some of the biggest changes and challenges you've faced? Have there been a lot of changes?

DY: At Maryland?

DT: At Maryland, or anywhere.

DY: Oh, the enterprise itself has just changed dramatically. The scope of it is just off the chart. You look at Ohio State that has a 120 million dollar budget as an example or Florida that has about a hundred million dollar budget. It’s daunting. It’s more challenging than ever to win, to keep your really great coaches, everything is completed. Like your life is more complicated, it just is, because of the world we live it. The internet complicated it significantly because you can’t possibly keep up. First of all, you have to decide as an individual who you’re going to actually respond to and who’s legitimate and who’s not. And I kind of draw the line at people who don’t use their own names. I just do. I mean, why wouldn’t I? Because you can say anything anonymously and just kind of throwing it at the wall and seeing if it sticks. So, that’s kind of how I actually got interested in Testudo Times, because I was reading things and Ben was posting them and Ben had his name associated with it so I thought, well this is good. This is legitimate.

Interview continues after the jump.

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DT: It’s actually interesting that you say that because when the site first started we didn’t have our names on there. We had names that we wrote under. And we asked to change it to our names because we thought that was more legitimate and creditable when we’d say something.

DY: You’re right on target. That really pulls you towards the mainstream media like the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun because you use your own names. It really does. You’re not a message board when you do that. You might have some people posting under anonymous names but that’s them not you. So that was really a smart thing to do because that’s the thing that really made me decide to pick up the phone or email or however I did that.

So it’s the scope of things. It’s insane. The scope.  It just is and it’s not going to change. It’s just going to get more crazy.

DT: Just touching on that, that was one of the things I wanted to talk about. How do you see new media sources like blogs, like our site, transitioning into covering collegiate athletics, especially after the Washington Times just folded their sports section.

DY: I don’t know. I don’t know that anybody really knows. I really don’t. I just know that there, you can’t lump all of the websites into the same place. Some are much more legitimate than others. So it’s wrong to just say "It’s a message board, it’s on the web, its no good." That’s not right. I mean, there are some that are crazy and thrive, on innuendo and rumor and actually seem to kind of enjoy that.  And there are others that really like we’re going to the bottom of this, we’re going to try to get the facts, and then we’re going to post that for our readers.  And that’s what I see Testudo Times doing, and that’s more like the Washington Post or the Baltimore Sun.

DT: Managing 27 teams here at the University and managing the budget between those and the revenue sports and how those inter-mesh with each other; with the economic situation that we’re in, how do you draw the line between cutting one budget versus another, and how do you balance between the two?

DY: Well, I don’t do that alone. We have a budget committee internally and it’s chaired by the chief financial officer here, his name is Randy Eaton. What usually happens is they’ll advise me on how they think something should be managed and I certainly can veto that, but they’re pretty smart people, so I usually listen to them. The collegiate model in Division 1 is the same everywhere for Division 1 and that is revenue sports are called revenue sports because they’re suppose to generate revenue to help pay for everything else. That’s also why those coaches are paid as well as they are; they earn that  money. They should be paid that well.

There’s a trade-off in this collegiate model, so when those go well, life is good and when you hit a spot, which most people do, where one or both are down, then things can be pretty rough, especially if you’re living on the edge financially. So as an example, when football had a very challenging season this year, and we’re in the recession, that’s not a good combination, so it’s a very rough year for everybody. But I don’t see that as permanent. I think we’re going to rebound. I think next year is going to be terrific. Our recruiting is actually going pretty well, especially for a team that was 2-10. I’m very pleased with that.

Those things just make me so happy. This is great. We need reinforcements and waves of talent, especially in football, and Ralph didn’t forget everything he knows about football. This is going to be a very important year for all of those reasons.  And so when we start winning again, then people start buying more tickets and then that pressure, like the 27 teams, gets alleviated. So I don’t see it as permanent.

And the other thing that’s going to happen for us is we’re going to have a new ACC TV agreement. And it will begin July 1, 2011. And it’s going to be better than the one we have. The one we have was the best in the nation when we signed it, ironically. That’s how quickly things are changing, six or seven years ago. Now we’re looking at what the Big 10 did and what the SEC did and talking about what we hope we can get. So those two things are critical. How it works is, our ACC TV money is guaranteed; it doesn’t matter what our record is, we’re going to get the same share. That is a wonderful thing. And it isn’t that way in all Division 1 conferences. So we’re blessed that we’re in the ACC. So that money is guaranteed. We negotiate a deal as a conference and that’s what we’re going to get. The part that’s where we have wiggle room and coaching really makes a difference and recruiting makes a difference is that home gate. 

And also in fund raising because people can be in great moods when we win a lot and not in such great moods when we don’t.  We notice the difference. So I think we’re going to have a rebound year. Get back on track in football. I really believe that. I’m really fired up about spring ball starting.  And Gary is doing a magnificent job. I’ve said for years, this is not a new statement, I think he’s the best coach in the ACC. And as a basketball coach, I did this for a living, I was successful at it for a living, and I think I have some creditability in that area and he’s the best one. He is.

DT: You won’t get an argument from me.

DY: You give that man some talent and he’ll do something with it. It’s just like Jordan Williams coming on strong like he is, I mean, it’s a thing of beauty, as far as I’m concerned, to watch. We’ll see. This is going to be an exciting year for us this season.

That concludes part one of our interview. Check back in later today to hear more from Dr. Yow. We hope you all enjoy this!

 

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Awesome job guys. Keep up the great work.

by word2bigbird on Feb 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Good to hear from her.

She gets bashed too much and rarely gets ample time to respond. Glad you guys put this together. All the other Terp Blogs are jealous.

by kckb8 on Feb 5, 2010 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair

Are you in those situations? Are you in those rooms? Yeah, didn’t think so. I’m not saying people can’t criticize, but I am saying way too much in made by so-called “experts” or people who have a “source” when they really don’t know more about the situation than you or I do. Maybe you should try giving people the benefit of the doubt.

by Dave Tucker on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I still don’t like her.

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by Michael18 on Feb 5, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

The absence of details and tone in the interview are troubling

What are the performance goals for the revenue sports? For example, do we want a football team that goes to a bowl game 6 out of every eight years and wins the division every 5 years? How does Eaton match the budget to performance goals? Does he benchmark to other football and basketball programs that meet those goals? Ohio State has 29 sports with a 120 million dollar budget. How she determine that we could support 27? AD Yow sounds as if she is being held hostage by Ralph and Gary.

by wmterp on Feb 5, 2010 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

All valid questions

This was our first time sitting down with her so those might be some more in depth questions we could get into next time we sit down with her. But I think they are all fair questions.

by Dave Tucker on Feb 5, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

BUDGET

 She did get MD outa some 20 mil in debt, got a new arena, and fixed up BYRD nicely. Think she still has higher goals W/ the NCAA.

by PADGE on Feb 5, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

That Yow had anything to do with balancing the budget is a fallacy. The budget was balanced by revenues that Gary Williams and the men’s basketball team brought as they came off of NCAA sanctions and returned the program to national relevance with back-to-back Sweet Sixteen appearances (which by coincidence happened in the first two years of Yow’s tenure).

by JC1 on Feb 5, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't bash Yow unless you can bring some facts to the table.

The fact is, any statistics about the condition of Maryland sports throughout Yow’s reign indicate that things have greatly improved across the board.

by kckb8 on Feb 6, 2010 2:42 AM EST reply actions  

And I know correlation does not imply causation...

But its undeniable that athletics, as a whole, have improved.

by kckb8 on Feb 6, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

facts..

1. See bball revenue point above
2. Women’s assistant coaches paid higher then the Men’s
3. Personally negotiated the horrible contracts for Ralph and Franklin
4. Sends lackey Worthington to publicly humiliate Gary to the media
5. Name one other Div 1 AD that goes out of his/her way to alienate the heads of the two sports that bring in 99% of the athletic depts revenue. Ever been to a Terrapin Club event? I have MANY times – watch her ‘interact’ with Gary and Ralph
6. Message board censoring – go the Terrapin Times web site and post anything questioning the AD or her role, and you will be banned permanently in minutes by that moron Keith (this site is funded by Terrapin Club). MD press credentials were also threatened to be revoked at insidemdsports.com board for any perceived anti-Yow/AD comments.

by mariolucasforthree on Feb 6, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll address these one by one

1. You’re 100% correct in terms of Gary bringing the basketball program back, giving it back a national presence, and brining in revenue. Men’s basketball and football are suppose to do just that – bring in revenue. But just because Gary is bringing in money doesn’t mean that Yow didn’t have a role in balancing the budget. And I say role because she works on it with multiple people. Yow took over at Maryland in 1994 and faced 10 years of unbalanced budgets and a debt of 50 mil. Budgets have been balanced since she took over and the dept is now down to just over 7 mil.

2. This is an interesting topic and one we were going to discuss, but simply ran out of time. Definitely an issue worthy of discussion and a fair question to ask. I think the mandatory budget freeze on all salaries in the state (which the coaches are) has something to do with it, but I don’t know for sure. Purely speculation.

3. Are they really that horrible? You can say that now in hindsight but when Ralph signed his current contract, he was coming off of back to back to back 10+ win seasons and trips to three prominent bowl games. He was getting offers from the NFL and from other big college programs. It’s not like they gave him that extension after the back to back bowl-less year seasons. So, how can you call that contract horrible? As for Franklin, I was skeptical at first. But if you’ve actually read any of the recruiting information for the 2010 class, you can understand why we had a top 40 class despite having a 2-10 season. Every recruit said they would have considered else where had they not known for sure who the next head coach would be. And Franklin is apparently making inroads in terms of in-state recruiting. If you brought in a new coach, unless they were extremely high profile (Billick type), you’d lose those connections that are being built. So, I really don’t think either contract is bad.

4. Come back for part 2 of the interview to address this question. Yow was out of the state dealing with the death of her sister, so she didn’t “send” anyone to do anything. She was making funeral arrangements in North Carolina and didn’t know this was going on. And once she found out it was going on, she came out at Gary’s media availability and told people that the rumors flying around were bogus. How many times has she come out to defend a coach mid-season? Once. And that was it.

5. Where do you come up with this stuff? Yes, I’ve been to TC events. And I’m a credentialed media person who sees them out of the public eye. I don’t think she alienates either coach. Do they go have dinner at each other’s house on Saturday night? I don’t know. But I don’t think Yow is alienating her revenue sports coaches just because she wants to or because some message board wants to believe and convince people that it’s the case.

“We have 2 feet of snow on the ground because Gary doesn’t play Padgett enough in games.”

Oh, saw it on a message board, it must be true!

6. I never go to TT because I don’t waste my time reading message boards of people who make wild speculations about things they know nothing about. So whether this is true or not, I can’t say. What I can say is that no one is without critique. We’ve questioned some decisions by Yow yet she contacted us about doing this interview, so that seems counterintuitive to what you’re saying, but again, I’m not on there so I don’t know.

by Dave Tucker on Feb 6, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Point of clarification

I don’t go on TT because I’ve often found there is nothing concrete there. I personally have just not found it all that useful. But not all message boards/other sites are that way. Don’t want to group them all together. Some are very honest. I’ve just never been a big fan of TT.

by Dave Tucker on Feb 6, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You really don't think she alientates either coach, especially Gary?

Seriously? Well I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point…

by mariolucasforthree on Feb 6, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

I honestly don't know

I’m not saying what you said isn’t true, I just personally don’t know enough to make that judgement.

by Dave Tucker on Feb 6, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a more fundamental question for AD Yow about how football fits into Maryland athlectics

Why should I purchase football season tickets? When football is cut back by 300K and then goes 2-10, I think she is asking me to make a bigger commitment to Maryland football than she is. I have purchased tickets in past years with the belief that she is committed to excellence in football and ensures the program has the necessary funding. The cutback, the recent W-L trend, the record last year, and even not buying out the last year of Cosh’s contract indicates to me that she is not. Especially in lean years, she must attend to the season ticket holders and that means the football and basketball programs have priority. I am concerned that the obligation to non-revenue programs is now so great that we can’t afford the cost of a football program that can win consistently. Claiming that its all up to Ralph isn’t an answer but an excuse. He didn’t make the 300K decision. I suspect that in past years she overcommitted to non-revenue programs to use all of the the Terrapin Club scholarship money that was available and we are now overextended.

by wmterp on Feb 6, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

WMTerp, That is an excellent question. You should buy football tickets if you want to subsidize water polo, tennis, volleyball, gymnastics, etc.

How is it equitable that both men’s basketball and football — the two money-generating sports and the very lifeblood of the athletic program — are cut by a greater percentage than, say, women’s basketball (which draws this many people)? I have no problem with non-revenue women’s sports being supported by the two big ticket men’s sports, because that is required by federal law. But this AD has actually prioritized non-revenue sports at the expense of revenue generators.

The folly there isn’t just that it’s counter to pragmatism — it’s that it goes against what the fans/alumni themselves prioritize with their wallets. That is the very reason those two sports generate revenue. Let me say this again: Revenue-generating sports create profits because the school’s alumni want to see them and are willing to pay to do so.

I am still on the fence as to whether to renew my season tickets. They actually increased the price of them, without giving any indication that they are willing to change the direction of the AD or re-prioritize. As long as Yow is AD, I have no reason to believe they will do any such thing. She is a former women’s basketball coach, and it is clear where her bias lies.

The only way she is going to make the tough decisions is if she is forced to, i.e. the AD’s revenue stream from football is curtailed. Or, best case scenario, President Mote and the board will make those decisions by finding a new, competent athletic director.

by JC1 on Feb 6, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post, JC1

Agree all around. As long as Yow is in charge and continues to blatantly focus on the non revenue sports over football and basketball, I will seriously rethink my season tickets (which my family and I have had since 1986). And I bet I am not the only one.

by mariolucasforthree on Feb 6, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Now THAT'S a legitimate question.

I’m sure she has a good, trademark Debbie Yow answer for it.

I think AD Yow just has a fundamental belief about the role of revenue sports vs. nonrevenue sports that people tend to disagree with, myself included. I don’t think people should bash her for it, though, because she has done an AMAZING job as AD in terms of accomplishing what SHE’S intended to accomplish. But GREAT post, and that will be a good question to ask.

by kckb8 on Feb 6, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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