ACC Head Coaching Power Rankings
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM EST
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PrintHere is my list...by the way these rankings consider recruiting to be 50 percent of the job and coaching them up to be 50 percent of the job
Note that this list is not results dependent---i'm just trying to rank their abilities
1. Ratface (recruting 9/10, Coaching 10/10)
2. GW (recruiting 7/10, Coaching 10/10)
3.Roy "Aw Shucks" Williams (recruiting 10/10, coaching 6/10)
4. Greenberg (recruiting 6/10, coaching 8/10)
5. Haith (recruiting 8/10, coaching 7/10)
6.Oliver Purnell (recruiting 8/10, coaching 5/10)
7. Bennett (recruiting 7/10, coaching 5/10)
8. Leonard Hamilton (recruiting 6/10, coaching 4/10)
9. Paul Hewitt (recruiting 10/10, coaching 1/10)
10.Dino Gaudio (recruting 7/10, coaching 1/10)
11. Al Skinner (recruiting 2/10, coaching 6/10)
12. Sid Lowe (recruting 7/10, coaching 0/10)
Thoughts:
-NC State has a real problem on their hand. They have to get rid of Lowe, but man---what a legacy that is to force out. They better hope he steps aside, but he doesn't seem like the stepping aside type. My gut is that they give him another year and that after that, they will have to move on.
-I'm probably too high on Frank Haith--I think he has something going finally at Miami. I really like the recruiting class he brought in and that's a tough job at Miami with how little they care about basketball. Also, his zone defense really impressed me against Duke yesturday
-Welcome to the ACC Mr. Bennett
-You could make a case for any arrangement of the top 3 coaches I have there.
-When does GTech move on from Hewitt? I know he took them to the final game with Jack and company but man--the last few years have had so many McD's AA's and so few wins
-How much longer does BC stay with Skinner--I mean sure he had a nice run with dudley and rice. But man--their recruiting picture looks BLEAK. People complain about Maryland's recruiting but they are COMPLETELY devoid of talent and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. He will certainly get a few more years--but I predict this is the beginning of the end for the Skinner era.
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I agree..
with most of this but I think you have Gaudio way too low. He gets solid recruits and they are consistly in top of the acc. Other than that good list.
gaudio is a horrible coach though
and i’m not so sure he can be credited for landing the talent he has now…i think most of those guys were skip’s recruits
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yea the coaching job he did at the end of last year was just embarrasing for wake forest
by MurlandTerps on Feb 19, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
BTW Gaudio has signed 4 top 100 recruits this year.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 19, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the top 3
But I think Seth Greenberg is waaaay to high in terms of coaching. I think he’s closer to a 6-7 rather than an 8. There is no way the guy should have been named ACC Coach of the Year. And I agree with Jeff that Gaudio should be higher. I’d put him ahead of Greenberg.
Gaudio should probably be an 8/10 in recruiting, maybe even a 9. Skip died in July of 07, so most of the guys there now are his. I agree he has some questionable coaching decisions, but I hardly think he’s a 1/10. More like a 5/10 IMO.
do you remember the maryland wake games of late
this year—-he was lucky to win. He called a trap defense with 2 mins left and maryland promptly scored 7 unanswered points to help send it to overtime—-you don’t half court trap maryland b/c it means hayes and vaz will be wide open for three everytime you beat the trap.
last year—-had no answer for the 3-2 collapsing defense in both outings…
i don’t know man…the guy cannot coach…maybe he should be higher but it’s only because a lot of guys in the conference can’t coach
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
oh...and by july 07
johnson and teague had already signed…
aminu is his…but 2/3 of that quartet wasn’t his…and niether was ish smith…
so yeah…the book is still out on his recruiting as far as i’m concerned…
certainly landing aminu is a great start—-but we’ll see where he can go from here
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 18, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty accurate list I think. I think the book is still out on Gaudio, as you say, but he’s probably a little higher than 1/10 in coaching.
Also, I’m not convinced Haith is anything special, though he seems at least better than Lowe and Hewitt in terms of Xs and Os.
Overall, as a conference the ACC has some pretty abysmal coaches (especially in-game), compared to the other big conferences.
you could say that...
or you could say that we have 2-3 all time greats and no matter who the other schools hire they will be embarassed in the Xs and Os
i’m not sure which is which
in sid’s case though it’s fairly obvious he’s clueless
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 18, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Lowe might be the worst I’ve seen, and I have no reason to dislike him personally. He’s just embarrassingly bad.
by jellisjenius on Feb 18, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
tiim - don't bait
Trust me: it’s better for everyone in the long run. Your comment wasn’t bad, but I would like to keep that discussion in that thread, and I don’t really want it to spill out elsewhere if at all possible. Again, not bad, just unneeded for what you were discussing.
Great post...
Think the NC State alum would like to have Herb Sendek back now?
I like Lowe…just not as my coach…
re: Herb
No.
Hell No.
Hell No x infinity.
Things are rough right now, but I’d rather have hope that things CAN get better rather than knowing that things WILL NEVER get better than ~7 in the tournament and a 2nd round exit. That was Herb’s ceiling, and we’re better than that.
All Wolfpack, all the time.
What do you think your current coach’s ceiling is, then? My sense is that it is probably the NIT. Next year, you will have dramatically more talent than us and I bet we sweep you.
Sweep?
Really? We’re bringing in two 5-star guards and y’all are losing Vasquez and you still think you’ll sweep us? I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat.
Right now State is one of the least-talented teams in the conference, particularly in the backcourt. Our guards are below average, at best.
If you want a good idea of how talented all the teams in the league are, and how much talent they’re putting out on the floor, head here:
http://yetanotherncstatesportsblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/talent-usage-rating-quantifying-amount.html
Only Virginia and Boston College field squads with lower talent usage ratings.
Is State happy with Lowe right now? No. But I think you’ll be surprised how much “better” a coach Lowe looks next season with two very talented guards.
All Wolfpack, all the time.
so true
The thing is, is that our guards coming are just as talented if not more talented. I think Stoglin is already better than ryan morrow
by MurlandTerps on Feb 21, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oooooh
Not gonna find a lot of people that agree with you there. Harrow will hurt Stog head-to-head because he’s just so much quicker, but Stog is so strong that he’ll be able to push Harrow around at times. Given the option, if I’m starting a team, I pick Harrow.
Well a lot people are much quicker than vasquez and stronger than him as well as hayes and yet they are top guards in the league. Gonzalez is quicker than vaz. I just think Stog has a better feel for the basket and he is very crafty.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously im a little bias but i think stog will have a better fresh year because he will have a better supporting cast.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 21, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
how could you possibly know that?
have you seen stoglin play other than on highlight reels?
morrow?
these guys are just faces until i see them play—-the highlight reels look promising—-but again i’m not ready to annoint either as a strong acc-calliber point guard before i sees em
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well i just moved from arizona so I have been able to watch Stoglin play and I have family in Monroe,Georgia which is where Walton High is and that is where Harrow plays so When I visited them couple of weeks ago i was able to catch one of his games.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Would that be anything like...
when JJ Hickson was going to make NC State so much better in 07-08? That team had a lot of talent on the floor and underachieved.
Your talent usage ratings are interesting, but IMO what they show is that every ACC team has a lot of talent, with the exceptions of UVa and BC…and I expect UVa’s recruiting to improve with Tony Bennett there.
You’re right in that next year will be a good litmus test for Lowe’s coaching ability…if he can’t win with that talent, it ain’t gonna happen.
by jellisjenius on Feb 22, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
please—-like they haven’t had talent over the last couple
oh what maryland would do with some of hte players that nc state has
it’s not just about coaching—-it’s about player development and teaching and that’s where Sidney Lowe just can’t compete with acc calliber coaches—-his players never take it to that next level
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
no we wont
the guy cannot coach—-period—-
we’ll see what happens—-5 stars aren’t always all they are billed up to be
duke has the 9th ranked recruit in the country Irving—-he looked great on paper but hasn’t seen a minute this year
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Um...because he's not on campus yet
He’s still in HS. That has proved problematic in getting him to play for Duke.
Unless you’re saying he hasn’t played for his HS, but he dropped ~25 on Pe’Shon like a week ago.
oops my bad...
thought they had a highly ranked guy who wasn’t playing—and i wasn’t thinking of dawkins—-but i may as well have been thinking of dawkins
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 22, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Dawkins has been a little disappointing
But he really took his dive after that mid-season tragedy with his sister’s death. Not surprised that he had some issues.
Still, point that 5*s don’t always pan out still holds: Jon Henson, Dexter Strickland, Dante Taylor have all underperformed this year. I think Taylor has like 4 points a game or something like that.
if you say so
a lot of coaches seem to platteau and it just takes the right group of guys for them to get over the hump
for example gary has never taken a group other than the NC group past the sweet 16….
Jamie Dixon had never made it past a sweet 16
either way, your program is in much worse shape for having hired sid lowe…b/c i think it’s fairly obvious to most nuetral observers that he simply cannot cut it no matter how much talent he has—-but how do you get rid of such a legacy?
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 19, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
before that though
the knock was they couldn’t get past the sweet 16
it was like a few years in a row that they couldn’t get over that hump…
point being…people get over the hump!
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 19, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I did notice
But I just didn’t see the point of including a knock on a coach that wasn’t even true anymore. Like saying now that Gary couldN’T get to the final 4 before he did do it
haha
i take that to mean you get the point i was trying to make now re: herb…admittedly i could have been more clear
by tiimbitz4786 on Feb 19, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
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